Thanks again Toby. One step closer to your end goal of primer on that back half of old Christine before starting on preparation H. I’ve always enjoyed these videos. Can’t wait to see what comes next. Your almost there and to the fun time of working on your grandpa’s H!
Answer to your question about the later designed control valve spool having flats: The flats allow the valve to reseat at a system pressure much closer to the opening pressure determined by the spring. It has to do with the area of the valve exposed to system pressure when it is closed vs when it is open and exposed to the dynamic pressure of the flowing hydraulic fluid. The flats minimize the area difference between the seated and open conditions and allow the reseat pressure to be much closer to the cracking pressure.
I really like the multiple videos during the week.. I know they take a lot of your time.. thanks for the time making them and keep the coming if possible
I’m so glad you have done so much on the x231. I was worried that all the troubles in the past had discouraged you from getting back on this project. The work you have done has given me my fix for now. I for one will be waiting until you have the time to devote to x231, some time in the future. X231 is a very worthy project. Thank you for taking it on.
To rescue the old girl is work enough, a tractor as rare as this deserves a dignified retirement to be gently driven, looked at and the occasional gentle stroking would not go astray. I have a very old brough superior motorcycle tha is rideable but, it goes to shows on a trailer, and sometimes gently ridden around the display fields. so I know what you are about with this lovely old girl.
He should use Anti Seize! I could not (did not want) to help myself. I used it for a lot of things but my engine were all Gen sets in a power room and there it was priceless (as well as a coating for shafts on seals that saw cold starts, not common but some were up on the North Slope and there any lube on a new build would rip out a seal on start)
Those parts are incredibly clean. It's a joy to watch a highly skilled, patient, and experienced mechanic. Every move is as well thought out as a surgeon's. Thanks!
Love this series, I have only been watching it since you finished the D2, but someday I want to go back to the beginning. I grew up with Olivers, but Dad had a MM model E corn sheller with a stationary 4 cyl. MM engine on it. It had a magnito, and electric start, but we still used the crank quite often when we didn't have a spare battery. Battery or crank, it rarely failed to start. When the sheller wore out we sold the engine to the Amish because it didn't need a battery to start or run.
The copper ring on the valve plug would make no problem if you fit a spacer into the plug that brings the spring back to the same pre-tension...but the ring would be visible from the outside and won't look OEM... I fully agree with the usage of this vehicle, you can't simply risk breaking something unique when there is no spare around, being a trailer queen is completly acceptable... Thx for showing! 👍👍👍
Abrupt Pause ⏸ Automatic Transmission repair??! Wanna change a valve body on an 05 Sable with me? 😂 Takes a special kind of person to learn transmission repair--ASE master mechanics don't often attempt to learn it--those critical refined skills transfer well to tractor restoration of this caliber. Thumbs up Squatch!
Never thought I would be so interested in a hydraulic pump rebuild! Really enjoying #X231 rebuild! The scope of your knowledge Squatch always amazes me! Please keep the videos coming.
If you wanted to use that copper crush ring to seal that plug you'd just need to drop a shim in the cap that's the same thickness as the copper ring.. That would keep the spring load the same and get you a good seal.
Well I was shocked (horrified) to see a shade tree (or worse) pressure boost mod and it was not even a flat washer! Shades of the story of the guy driving a fleet Cummins 6 (N400 type) our instructor told of us about. The guy had his own injector pump with hot pressure setup to boost it well past allowed (he acualy bought his own and they ain't cheap ). They thought he was mucking with the engine but only found out HOW when he had an accident and they got to the scene before he could remove it!
Tip of the week: When you have to bring a snap ring over another snap ring groove that it might slip into and become very difficult to extract, FIRST find an O ring in your assortment kit to place into the groove you need to pass over. Been there, done that.. There was a compressor part I used to have to rebuild that had that same problem with multiple snap ring grooves.. Filling the empty groove with a correct size Oring ended all the frustration forever.
Although it’s not original and is far from the correct unit, it does form part of the story of the X321 history. So that’s a good consolation prize in my book.
You? Run out of projects to do? HA, ya right! You've probably got enough projects with just what you've shown on this channel to keep you busy for at LEAST the next decade, and that's not including the building going up one day on your property lol. Looking forward to the Preparation H project next though :)
Thanks for sharing. I imagine you will cover where the X231 hydraulic system has its components when the three point rock-shaft unit goes on when you get back on X231.
Impressed again about you work ethics and your the way you make it intersting for the viewer. I’m sure your videos hjalp others to renovate old machines. Best wishes from Oslo Norway 😊
I haven't worked on a modern oil pump but was nice to see that x231 s oil pump very similar to the old pumps I have worked on also checking clearances on vanes and shafts great video again 👍👌
When I needed parts for my M602 Moline I went to the White tractor dealership in Grandfield, Oklahoma. I found all the parts to rebuild the torque amplifier there. Of course that was 30 years ago.
So funny how after getting the really bad repaired… seems like the rest goes back together so fast! By that from where it was when stoped to move on to swamp queen. How fast 10X is going to possible primer!!! Also a marry of engine/ front bolster to be a complete assembly. As a roller!
Hi Squatch. You mentioned you won’t ever be working it hard ever again but I’m wondering what your going to do for the break in procedure or will you not technically “break it in.” Keep up the good work!
@@squatch253 give it a sniff of bon ami 🐣 when the smoke gets too bad 😊. Would the pto hold up to spinning a baker fan or empty silage blower? Perhaps a front mounted implement... i got it!! x231 engine spends a summer in front of a Z ! Thank you for sharing the process with us.
@@squatch253 Getting this thing to operational but not work condition is, itself, a triumph. 231 was never meant for a life of work - it was meant to be a one-of-a-kind testbed. It's incredible that it's survived in any condition given the life to which it was subjected. I've said it before - with the standard of restoration you are doing, I would hope that one day these would end up in a high-class industrial museum, like the Ford museum in Detroit. The two prototypes (231, 253), especially with the documentary evidence you have collected, the videos and photos you've taken, etc, are unique examples of America's industrial past.
Tobie if anyone ever buy this tractor it must be mandatory for the guy to watch the entire re-built series of videos to appreciate what he bought, unless he offer a fortune for it, cash on the table
In a way, I'm happy Christine is going to be a parade Queen. She will drag crowds and get kods and adults interested in old tractors and maybe even into testoring them to have their own parade Queens. Toby's going a long way to get that going with his channel.
Looks like to me that after the front end damage and the power steering port capped off. The spool was changed or modified to divert flow away from that circuit. The spool without the flat spots would have been the flow dividing part of the spool. Am no expert but I am a New Holland mechanic.
When you talked of putting a copper o-ring on the one cap, why didn't you put a spacer of the same thickness inside the hole the spring sets inside. This would have brought everything back into original shape with the sealing surface.
There certainly are a lot of rabbits in that hat. It seems like the endless inventory of old parts should exceed the available storage space. Maybe there’s a secret warehouse whose existence must be disavowed for security purposes. 🥸👍✅
Why time those gears if there is not a drive output? if that plug relets pressure than I would assume that the plug side is where it dumps which is the suction side, Correct? If that is the case a copper seal or orange would not be needed
Thanks for this content it gives me the confidence to attempt these types of projects myself. Also are you planning on going to pioneer power swap meet this year?
WAAHHHOOOO!!! Hydraulic pump all cleaned up and sort-a-kind-a refurbished. That next part looks a bit tricky, good luck. Will the rear end turn primer gray before summer?
Are the hydralic pump gears straight cut or helical cut. From the video they looked like a helical cut but i didn't know if the camera was distorting it. Looks good! another step closer!
@@dougkubash8673 Yes, helical gears run quieter but on pumps they also reduce the fluid pulsation which is what causes most of the noise as those pressure peaks create vibrations on the whole pressure side of the hydraulic circuit(s)
Do you think the way the valve was flat was a result from the power steering blocked off they done it so it would be easier for the extra flow to go past the valve just throwing a guess out I could and are most likely wrong lol thanks for sharing
I wish I could help. I know the frustration of having your go to radiator man retire. Anybody that knows a good radiator man should get in touch with Toby.
He used to show more of the parts cleaning back in the early X231 and 1113 days but I suspect most of it is behind the CZcams Premium wall now so we will have to guess. Diesel and a scrubby brush?
Thanks again Toby. One step closer to your end goal of primer on that back half of old Christine before starting on preparation H. I’ve always enjoyed these videos. Can’t wait to see what comes next. Your almost there and to the fun time of working on your grandpa’s H!
I hope it comes out for plow days. It will pull a little wagon with the food and drink on it.
Toby, I really appreciate all the work your putting into X231 if not for you and Sr. It would have been a lost peice of history. Thanks buddy.
Answer to your question about the later designed control valve spool having flats: The flats allow the valve to reseat at a system pressure much closer to the opening pressure determined by the spring. It has to do with the area of the valve exposed to system pressure when it is closed vs when it is open and exposed to the dynamic pressure of the flowing hydraulic fluid. The flats minimize the area difference between the seated and open conditions and allow the reseat pressure to be much closer to the cracking pressure.
I really like the multiple videos during the week.. I know they take a lot of your time.. thanks for the time making them and keep the coming if possible
More shorter vids is easier to make time for than fewer longer ones.. Yes, I like these shorter ones.
seeing you strip and rebuild the hyd pump takes me back to my engineering agri days!
Have loved the whole X231 series - and in some ways more than the Cat (sorry!) - I'm an enginerd...love seeing the inventive ways to fix the old girl
I’m so glad you have done so much on the x231. I was worried that all the troubles in the past had discouraged you from getting back on this project. The work you have done has given me my fix for now. I for one will be waiting until you have the time to devote to x231, some time in the future. X231 is a very worthy project. Thank you for taking it on.
X231 becomming a show queen will be a fitting retirement for the old girl after what she been through in her life time. 👍
Hyd. Pump NINJA!
To rescue the old girl is work enough, a tractor as rare as this deserves a dignified retirement to be gently driven, looked at and the occasional gentle stroking would not go astray. I have a very old brough superior motorcycle tha is rideable but, it goes to shows on a trailer, and sometimes gently ridden around the display fields.
so I know what you are about with this lovely old girl.
Another bite! So much progress on what for years was a collection of parts and sad story of almost doom! The machinery gods are smiling.
He should use Anti Seize! I could not (did not want) to help myself. I used it for a lot of things but my engine were all Gen sets in a power room and there it was priceless (as well as a coating for shafts on seals that saw cold starts, not common but some were up on the North Slope and there any lube on a new build would rip out a seal on start)
Those parts are incredibly clean. It's a joy to watch a highly skilled, patient, and experienced mechanic. Every move is as well thought out as a surgeon's. Thanks!
Love this series, I have only been watching it since you finished the D2, but someday I want to go back to the beginning. I grew up with Olivers, but Dad had a MM model E corn sheller with a stationary 4 cyl. MM engine on it. It had a magnito, and electric start, but we still used the crank quite often when we didn't have a spare battery. Battery or crank, it rarely failed to start. When the sheller wore out we sold the engine to the Amish because it didn't need a battery to start or run.
The copper ring on the valve plug would make no problem if you fit a spacer into the plug that brings the spring back to the same pre-tension...but the ring would be visible from the outside and won't look OEM...
I fully agree with the usage of this vehicle, you can't simply risk breaking something unique when there is no spare around, being a trailer queen is completly acceptable...
Thx for showing!
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Thanks for the video Squatch! Another piece of the puzzle completed and another step closer to working on the H. Cheers
Abrupt Pause ⏸ Automatic Transmission repair??! Wanna change a valve body on an 05 Sable with me? 😂 Takes a special kind of person to learn transmission repair--ASE master mechanics don't often attempt to learn it--those critical refined skills transfer well to tractor restoration of this caliber. Thumbs up Squatch!
Never thought I would be so interested in a hydraulic pump rebuild! Really enjoying #X231 rebuild! The scope of your knowledge Squatch always amazes me! Please keep the videos coming.
Thank You Thank You 😊
Mmm, I love the smell of that Aviation Form-A-Gasket. Brings back fond memories, too!
I'm sure that there are only a few people that could make re-building an old tractor oil pump interesting or entertaining. Well done, you did both!
Can't wait to see the Prototype on display at the Le Sueur Concours d’Elegance.
If you wanted to use that copper crush ring to seal that plug you'd just need to drop a shim in the cap that's the same thickness as the copper ring.. That would keep the spring load the same and get you a good seal.
Well I was shocked (horrified) to see a shade tree (or worse) pressure boost mod and it was not even a flat washer! Shades of the story of the guy driving a fleet Cummins 6 (N400 type) our instructor told of us about. The guy had his own injector pump with hot pressure setup to boost it well past allowed (he acualy bought his own and they ain't cheap ). They thought he was mucking with the engine but only found out HOW when he had an accident and they got to the scene before he could remove it!
Its funny how these hydraulic components never change. It I had found the pump I would have assumed its from the 80s or 90s.
Tip of the week: When you have to bring a snap ring over another snap ring groove that it might slip into and become very difficult to extract, FIRST find an O ring in your assortment kit to place into the groove you need to pass over. Been there, done that.. There was a compressor part I used to have to rebuild that had that same problem with multiple snap ring grooves.. Filling the empty groove with a correct size Oring ended all the frustration forever.
Excellent video keep up the great videos
That was interesting!
As usual, always enjoy your detailed videos. Thanks and look forward to the next one. Cheers
Although it’s not original and is far from the correct unit, it does form part of the story of the X321 history. So that’s a good consolation prize in my book.
You? Run out of projects to do? HA, ya right! You've probably got enough projects with just what you've shown on this channel to keep you busy for at LEAST the next decade, and that's not including the building going up one day on your property lol. Looking forward to the Preparation H project next though :)
Thanks for sharing. I imagine you will cover where the X231 hydraulic system has its components when the three point rock-shaft unit goes on when you get back on X231.
Does the power steering supply feed through the transmission cases? Or is it an external line to the front of the tractor?
Makes sense, thanks!
How do you get your parts to look so new. Wire brush in cleaning fluid or something special. Reference video? Thank you for posting. Love your video.
Impressed again about you work ethics and your the way you make it intersting for the viewer. I’m sure your videos hjalp others to renovate old machines. Best wishes from Oslo Norway 😊
You could use Loctite thread sealant 567, 592, 545 or 577.
Not the thread locker's
Love the videos and the attention to detail!
I haven't worked on a modern oil pump but was nice to see that x231 s oil pump very similar to the old pumps I have worked on also checking clearances on vanes and shafts great video again 👍👌
Thank you Squatch! Well done 😊
Thank you sir! I really enjoyed this part of the project and you are a man of your word!
One person who you could possibly talk to if needing a shaft or gear cut is Keith rucker at vintage machinery .
You called it a priority valve.❤❤❤
I don't know which other manufacturers call it that, but that is what John Deere calls it.
Made it to 67K subscribers. Congratulations!
So close but so far 😊😮 i think she will be beautiful again soon !!!
She is getting the love 💘 she should of had many years ago 😊
When I needed parts for my M602 Moline I went to the White tractor dealership in Grandfield, Oklahoma. I found all the parts to rebuild the torque amplifier there. Of course that was 30 years ago.
Excellent work once again I my self have way to many projects gotta love adhd makes ya hyper focus lol 😂
You made that look easy enough. 🤔 lock watcher and all .👍
Thanks.
So funny how after getting the really bad repaired… seems like the rest goes back together so fast! By that from where it was when stoped to move on to swamp queen. How fast 10X is going to possible primer!!! Also a marry of engine/ front bolster to be a complete assembly. As a roller!
22:04, A copper washer would definitely help. the plug is hollow. Could you shim it internally with copper the same thickness as the washer?
Hi Squatch. You mentioned you won’t ever be working it hard ever again but I’m wondering what your going to do for the break in procedure or will you not technically “break it in.” Keep up the good work!
@@squatch253 give it a sniff of bon ami 🐣 when the smoke gets too bad 😊. Would the pto hold up to spinning a baker fan or empty silage blower? Perhaps a front mounted implement... i got it!! x231 engine spends a summer in front of a Z ! Thank you for sharing the process with us.
@@squatch253 Getting this thing to operational but not work condition is, itself, a triumph. 231 was never meant for a life of work - it was meant to be a one-of-a-kind testbed. It's incredible that it's survived in any condition given the life to which it was subjected.
I've said it before - with the standard of restoration you are doing, I would hope that one day these would end up in a high-class industrial museum, like the Ford museum in Detroit. The two prototypes (231, 253), especially with the documentary evidence you have collected, the videos and photos you've taken, etc, are unique examples of America's industrial past.
Toby I agree, better to check fluids than Grenade a piece that is not replaceable
My guess for the milled flats is improved flow.
Awesome job!!
Good video
Looking great!
Tobie if anyone ever buy this tractor it must be mandatory for the guy to watch the entire re-built series of videos to appreciate what he bought, unless he offer a fortune for it, cash on the table
Pumps n stuff 🤗🤗🤗
In a way, I'm happy Christine is going to be a parade Queen.
She will drag crowds and get kods and adults interested in old tractors and maybe even into testoring them to have their own parade Queens.
Toby's going a long way to get that going with his channel.
22 min in. Just add a washer to the inside the same thickness as the copper one on the out side.
Like Always BRO ! 👍
Looks like to me that after the front end damage and the power steering port capped off. The spool was changed or modified to divert flow away from that circuit. The spool without the flat spots would have been the flow dividing part of the spool. Am no expert but I am a New Holland mechanic.
Good content. 👍
I'm glad they didn't have access to the Ford/International oil pan/rear main seal housing gasket maker...it would have never come apart!
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When you talked of putting a copper o-ring on the one cap, why didn't you put a spacer of the same thickness inside the hole the spring sets inside. This would have brought everything back into original shape with the sealing surface.
Copper washer on the outside and a copper disk...like a penny....on the inside of the plug? Would that work?
maybe thats the flow vavle out of the orginal x231 pump?
Squatch properly has enough parts for another 445 tractor
There certainly are a lot of rabbits in that hat. It seems like the endless inventory of old parts should exceed the available storage space. Maybe there’s a secret warehouse whose existence must be disavowed for security purposes. 🥸👍✅
Why time those gears if there is not a drive output?
if that plug relets pressure than I would assume that the plug side is where it dumps which is the suction side, Correct? If that is the case a copper seal or orange would not be needed
Thanks for this content it gives me the confidence to attempt these types of projects myself. Also are you planning on going to pioneer power swap meet this year?
WAAHHHOOOO!!! Hydraulic pump all cleaned up and sort-a-kind-a refurbished. That next part looks a bit tricky, good luck. Will the rear end turn primer gray before summer?
Are the hydralic pump gears straight cut or helical cut. From the video they looked like a helical cut but i didn't know if the camera was distorting it. Looks good! another step closer!
Definitely helical cut. I didn't realize that was a thing on hydraulic pumps, but I guess its something they were testing back in the day?
@@93Martin Thanks for the reply! All the pumps i ever worked on had straight cut gears! Maybe to cut down on noise?
@@dougkubash8673 Yes, helical gears run quieter but on pumps they also reduce the fluid pulsation which is what causes most of the noise as those pressure peaks create vibrations on the whole pressure side of the hydraulic circuit(s)
Regarding that copper washer, you could shim the spring on the inside like the smaller ones you intalled on other bolt?
muito boa sua postagem, obrigado por compartilhar seus conhecimentos.
Nicely done.. but please show your cleaning process
That's crazy!! I'm sure that the real fans would sit and watch paint dry with you.
But you get it so clean
Do you think the way the valve was flat was a result from the power steering blocked off they done it so it would be easier for the extra flow to go past the valve just throwing a guess out I could and are most likely wrong lol thanks for sharing
I know it isn't intended to be worked, but hey...Minne-Moline side delivery rake all gussied up...
Are you going to work on the crusher this summer?
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Webster pump
If there were no parts pump , would it be physically possible to weld and re machine the splines on the pump?
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it looks like you have the hard parts of the moline done . what is left dash sheet metal and frount end
I wish I could help. I know the frustration of having your go to radiator man retire. Anybody that knows a good radiator man should get in touch with Toby.
PS. I have some ideas on the flywheel repair.
@@squatch253 More than I thout.
The only reason you might have it at plow days is for a show pice
So what came first the bench grinder valve job or the lock washer pressure booster?
The chicken went to the other side of the road because...
He wanted to show the opossum, skunk, and armadillo that it could be done!!!
silicone when used in excess is called DUMMY GUMMY
So did you use the early or later style pump on X253?
Can you swap the wear plates and end up with clean new surfaces?
I see they are different sorry for the stupid question lol
What is your process for parts cleaning?
He used to show more of the parts cleaning back in the early X231 and 1113 days but I suspect most of it is behind the CZcams Premium wall now so we will have to guess. Diesel and a scrubby brush?
Valium over pressure pump!
I would have at least used flat washers, lol
I wouldn't take a tractor out there like that and work the s*** out of it
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How many pumps in a pile does it take to produce one that is borderline adequate to do no work whatsoever? The world may never know. 🥸👍👀✅
I got that. Tootsie roll pops!
@@woodhonky3890 - In this case, the Squatch gets to play the wise old owl. 🤠