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There are laws protecting musicians from having their voices replicated by AI for profit, laws should protect all creatives from having work stolen and generated without their consent.
Stealing someone's voice and replicating someone's style are not the same.
@@analogicparadox u sure?
@@Nivina22 if someone sounded like Michael Jackson and sang a song in the style of Michael Jackson, would they be stealing from him? Even if the song was new and they never claimed to be him?
@@ajstudios9210 still have to find someone that can actually explain how that is stealing 🤷
@@analogicparadox hell yea it’s the same it’s also stealing if u simply feed it to some machine to make art for u it is stealing and copying an artist art it isn’t original
Why are artists and creatives always the ones who need to adapt and compromise? Starting from NFT to AI art, technology and its over-romanticization have been sabotaging morals in art… I’m so mad and sick of these situations. Sometimes I fear people are more and more losing to see the value in things that take time and heart.
what exactly they can do about it? tell that nobody with less that 5 year training is allowed to make art?
AI just allows everyone to do what just few artist were able to do now everyone can express themselves without commissioning artist to the level where you can produce AI emojis instead of those boring primitive things
@@deltaxcd yeah, but do you consider that you need art made by artists to produce what ai makes. Ai doesn't make it on their own it learns from information given.
@@MythicAcademyalt Actually no, you don't need artists because AI learns from photos, 3d screenshots and pretty much any kind of media. That's the whole point of AI
Artists are only needed for style example or for concepts when you just don't have any real life examples of the idea like you can't get photo of a dragon or fairy.
Training AI purely from drawings of artists is pretty pointless.
But otherwise you can take just few pictures from some artist AI will examine its style and it will be able to convert any picture into the style of that artist.
@@deltaxcd I don't think your aware of how most AI art systems have stolen the work of certain artists, and your only agreeing too my point "just take some pictures from an artist" to get the style you want that is still needed and it's especially sickening when done without an artists consent, why? Because its still their art an AI is learning from
@@MythicAcademyalt No you don't understand how it works.
Ai need to learn some concepts at first like for example "people doing podcast" or "astronaut walking on the moon." or "cowboy riding a horse"
it is very unlikely that some specific artist will even draw the moon or tv studio.
Artist pictures are only used as style example and then it can draw astronaut riding a horse on the moon in the Picasso style.
You don't even need that many pictures from some artist to train AI Just few examples are enough. Same as for human being, maybe a bit more because AI is not that smart as human.
And at this day you pretty much get universal AI model with various concepts then you take few pictures from desired artist and perform training on those pictures and then AI can draw anything from that universal model in the style of the artist which you trained it.
Or you can take any photography or picture and AI will convert it into the style of that artist
A lot of people miss this issue that even AI art contributes to destroying the middle class. Companies won't hire a group of artists but instead, they will buy a license/subscription from an AI art company that is overflowing with money. It's happening to a lot of different carriers too and people should be more cautious of that. Usually, a cheaper option is a less moral option, I know that the most blame is on companies that are ruling the world but in most cases, we have a choice to support them or not.
Very tru!
this is a no sense, just think a little about it, companies that use art just don't want beatiful pieces of art that you can handle in the wall (unless the company was just about that lmao), those companies want art that serves to the purpose that they want, and that can only be achieved by artists, not by AI, for example, imagine pixar wanting to hire concept artists for creating characters for their new movie but they use a subscription for an AI instead, so now what?, first, you still need the idea behind the character to insert it in the AI (the prompt), this need to be done by an artist that knows what will work well with the idea of the movie, then it is generated, OK, so now what? it is a beatiful image, but does it really match the idea of the movie?, this need to be analyzed by an artist, then you can create a whole bunch of images to find what fits the best, you find what it seems to be the perfect image, but, ups!, it have some details that you want to change to fit with the movie better, so you still need an artist, then the colors are not right with the palette of the movie, you need an artist, and i can go ON AND ON, you get the point?. and this is in a scenary where AI is so great that it can generate consistent great art and styles with just a simple prompt which is far from the reality today, you need a lot of extra work for that, and i am not even talking about consistent characters which is a more difficult task that can't be achieved today (with only one image of the design). those AI have A LOT of limitations and don't expect to be completely fixed soon. artists will be NECESSARY.
@@johancitygames unfortunately, this AI has evolved so you can feed it stuff to reference off of and the result will look pretty good now. You can teach it. And that’s what scares me. I’m afraid to not be able to have a job.
All of your points are basically invalid if you take a good look at the very, very recently released open source AI models. We aren’t talking about DALL E mini. We’re talking about a bot taking over a creative job.
@@johancitygames It's true that you can't AI your way through concept art - the results aren't nearly specific enough in the actual 3d space to be used in production and I don't think text prompts are a good enough input to begin with (not to mention that AI is not capable of understanding any thoughtful symbolism and what not).
But the text to image of the same beautiful sad girl isn't exactly what I worry about. There is AI tech that allows you to get way more specific results with image input (like a 5 second doodle is enough), ability to train a specific theme/object by just a few images. I'm sure we'll soon see some incredibly proficient workflows, people will be using one AI tool to make an image, another one to turn it into a 3d scene, move things around, back to image AI, use it to "inpaint" some areas, train characters likeness individually perhaps, touch it up in photoshop.
And yeah, you'd still need SOME artists to properly mash all that stolen experience together, I'm sure some artists will even enjoy "drawing" without drawing (I'm already lost at that point though, I really don't see the appeal of a workflow like that), before probably getting replaced by another AI.
Companies won't hire a group of artists but using AI, individual artists can now create concept art, 3d assets and code for their OWN games and produce their own game which would be far more profitable than working for a shitty company 9 to 9 to barely make ends meet. I am astounded by the defeatism and blackpilling going on in the art community. AI is a tool, a tool is as good as the user. If a non-artist uses AI they are stuck with the generation. An artist using AI can refine it and make it much better.
Stop listening to retarded grifters that claim they are 'artists' with no art school or talent because an AI generated a pretty picture for them. That picture is useless, no one commissioned or asked for it and it's not part of a bigger story or creative process, it literally has no value. If that person took a commission to make AI art the commissioner would stomp them because if they don't like even a small detail about the generated image, that guy is stuck with it and doesn't have a hope of fixing it, meaning they won't get paid. An artist with an AI can make more pictures, meaning more commission slots, cheaper, and at the end of the day they'll have more free time to draw what they want or try different styles or even hobbies or just live their lives.
Stop being retards that get dragged around by 'influencer artists' so they can get clout out of fear-mongering you. No one knows what the future holds or how good AI art will become. They just assume shit. Most of them totally uninformed on the subject.
I feel like the art community as a whole need to speak up about the impact AI gonna have on the art industry. Seeing how AI art generator can quickly pull up a drawing in a couple of minutes that almost look like a professional art piece, even if it's imperfect with some weird mess up details here and there, can be really discouraging to beginner artists who want to enter the field. It's already evolved significantly in just a couple of years that it's terrifying to think that there's the possibility of AI making it even harder for artists to get jobs and might even outright replacing us at some point in the future.
Art is the idea represented and not just the medium it is subjected to. Yes an artist and an AI can both represent a picture of a bird, but as of yet, only the artist can lead you beyond the picture to portray ideals like freedom by the way the bird spreads it's wings to escape the boundaries of earthen restraints. We have now made art and artists more mainstream and publically visible as the ideas of the individual are easier to express through word translation rather than hand/physical coordination. The era of "gatekeeping" art to the realm of "professionalism" is becoming a thing of the past as people are learning to value ideals over effort. There will always be a niche market or value on outdated methods. People still pay for handmade baskets and blacksmith forged goods over factory automation albeit not as mainstream.
Yeah, it's going to be harder to get into the industry, since AI is usually intended to take over tasks that are seen as mundane or taxing. Yet art is an expressive medium and it resonates with humans due to seeing there's a story or message behind it.
I don't think anyone with half a mind will take ai art seriously, let alone choose ai art over an actual artist. If it's cheaper sure. But if real people know an AI made it and not a real human person, you're gonna lose real quickly. I really can't imagine ai taking over the art world 💀
Otherwise, you know what they say about robots taking over our jobs...
@@Gloomyraindrop even if AI becomes smarter and more human?
I think AI can possibly create new jobs in the future. Like how we saw with the decline in 2D animation but the rise in 3D. The industry is going to be always changing and improving. While yes it might remove some job opportunities for some artists there will be newer roles that will be created because like you said someone still has to review or modify the AI generated Art. I think it’s cool to draw inspiration from or look at something in a specific perspective because not everyone has a live reference of certain things and google while it has those references it is usually the same ones everyone else uses. With this new integration you can see things and draw from reference. One thing that I don’t think should be allowed is just taking the piece as is and selling it, you have to change it and even then I feel like it still tiptoeing into testy waters. Thank you for the information! I always love watching your videos and getting insight into the industry!
From my perspective view, I am a freelance artist which takes lots of commissions. I noticed that my clients started to disappear after the AI trend. So I went to check where they are from my curiosity, In that time I was pretty disappointed that they went to use AI to create their own OC? and they wrote stuff such as "thanks to AI so they don't have to waste money to commission anymore", or invited more friend to use AI....Like Hello? This is not funny, what can I do apart from complaining, Now I just have to work harder to improve my skills and promote my art more and more.
Shit, I was hoping to start commission this year since I just turned adult and felt doing commission is a good thing.
While commissions is a hard and difficult at times. Almost all artist started their career doing commissions. AI Art does threaten that.
As an artist, I see AI as a sort of tool. But sadly, society just don't see art important even though they love to consume. It is whatever is convenient for them.
I was gonna do commissions for some side money while I study as a medical assistant but now I'm unsure.
Sure my art style is unique enough and it probably hasn't been fed to ai yet but... it's kinda sad is all.
Where are people finding AI generators that make ocs LMAO, Anytime i try one of those just for the funsies it makes the most horrendous, disgusting creature i have ever laid my eyes on.
I mean, paperdoll generators and templates were already dime-a-dozen for making OCs.
midjourney can take time to get good resuts, you can get people to throw you a couple of bucks to test and refine prompts for them
It sucks so much because if it wasn't already hard enough to get noticed as an artist, now hundreds of "AI prompters" get more attention because their images can get "close enough" to what professional artists can make, and they can produce lots of them because it takes no effort
Do you make art for attention or for expression? Pick.
@@rockon8174 tf you mean, im talking about attention because its the main issue for art careers getting affected by this wave of copy-paste AI
@@rockon8174 for money.
@@rockon8174 and why cant we choose both attention and expression? art is mostly business and networking so we need to get attention.We need to survive somehow.
@@rockon8174 what expression you can express without people attention?
1. Colourist (Colouring in line art drawings made by others)
2. Concept artist / visual development artist
3. Commissions
4. Art for custom products (eg. a custom pattern to go on a mug/backpack etc.)
5. In-between animators (inbetween frames)
6. Illustration
so basically.. every art career..?
@@Google_remote yeah, it has the potential to destroy the industry as we know it. No need for illustration agencys, art schools, expensive software like adobe or cinema 4d etc. And all so a few already rich developers can get richer.
Wow so everyone literally all art jobs
Oof, so that leaves. . well. . im not sure other than comic artists. . it wouldn't really be about the art anymore then, just the story?
That's literally every single art job or source of income out there. Fuuuuuckkk.
It just seems to me people who never gave a damn about art- or the value of it- suddenly decide they're artists of the same merit as people who have devoted months/weeks/years to it. I see to many people who buy NFTs and talk about crypto adding "artist" to their profile simply because they have access to this tech. The fact that these people equate writing a prompt with the time and effort of making this stuff with your own imagination is why artists hate grown-up STEM kids.
Based as fuck holy shit
As a Graphic Designer It hurts to see AI destroy this industry because I worked on Art my whole life... but instead of being bitter.. I decided to marry a STEM major.. even though my husband hates making things in 3D and I don't hate, I have had to just refocus myself from The Graphics industry into a field of technical design assistant instead. which i plan to go back and study.. Finland also has very few jobs in Art/Animation to begin with.. so this seemed like a better fit. then maybe I can join my husband the senior engineer at his work or work somewhere simular.
@@hannelerantanen760 I respect this opinion but I find that depending on your discipline someone might stay bitter. Graphic designers, performance artists and many people in fine arts are able to adapt Better, because the concept or message you're conveying is more important than the medium; you will change what artform or medium depending on the message. For animators, illustrators and painters..whe are tradepeople. The message is not so important as the technique. If someone comes along with no discipline, using no effort and not only stating they are the same as us but ALSO taking away our livelihoods then yes, we should be bitter. Additionally many American artists were trained at art colleges which left us thousands of dollars in debt, the arts receive no government funding, nor do we get any debt relief. Meanwhile these people- often the ones who disputed we should ask for a living wage from our art- have essentially decided we should be making a living from our art, but that we should be laborers who treat art as a hobby.
@@jmcgaggles6822 of course I’m not happy with it but since Ai has stolen a lot of labor and technical opportunities from people I’m more or less choosing to see the positive from it then the negative. I respect those that are angry in fact I’m not devaluing their feelings but like with many things in life I’m willing to move on to something similar so I can get paid job at least. I’ve been out of work for years as an artist so thats partually why I chose to marry in the first place. I’m still unhappy that my form of work is becoming outdated in the technical sense… it just means I either need to change to be considered valuable or be pushed aside.. yes the arts have never been valued even before this I was making like 8 dollars an hour doing sign shop work.. eventually it closed after I left… so you know I know from first hand how sensitive these things are.
that's the whole idea. everyone hated the fact that you need to train for years to be artist and even then you need to spend hours on some picture which you just want to transfer from your imagination on paper
Now everyone can do it effortlessly and you can focus on other things as well
I think that the whole problem with AI art comes from the fact that online AI art generators steal a lot of artwork without the OG artist's permission or without compensation. Also, if artists take control of AI art programs I think they can use the tool as an advantage to them. Maybe some artist will use it to come up with rough ideas for a project they're working on or I've even seen an artist use it to create psychedelic backgrounds for their art. The whole idea is to just treat AI as a tool and not as a replacement for an artist.
I agree it can be a useful tool for inspiring ideas, however we are dealing with the unfortunate reality that it most likely will be used to replace human artists because that's usually how things go. We almost always get the bad endings and outcomes in the real world. 😵 It's like expecting a thief not to steal items that cost $1. I mean, $1 is not much money at all, right? And yet they absolutely will steal it regardless of the price simply because they can and it will cost them basically nothing to do so. So one bad outcome is that companies will see AI as an opportunity and cheap alternative to paying for an artist. After all, companies LOVE outsourcing work to the cheapest possible alternative. Worse yet, the AI tools will cost money to use and while the company behind them profits from that, they'll simultaneously make money off all the art that was put into the databases without permission, profiting off the backs of the artists who lose a potential extra source of income. I don't like being a downer, I just have a really hard time believing we'll see a good outcome.
the problem is that art knowledge and skill will be lost forever and in the future world an individual will only have limited access to the ai which will be hosted online exclusively
They could do this themselves, if they're an artist. They shouldn't need a machine to do this, when they themselves have the art skills to do this. Steven Zapata has videos saying this isn't an art tool, it could replace artist. Trusting big companies to make good decisions doesn't work, and it shows a lot.
As I've been reading your replies, my first thought would be to put in copyright laws in place right away that requires AI generator users/curators (whoever's feeding the machine artwork) to get permission or to pay the artist, but then I realized just because there are copyright laws doesn't mean people respect them. So many people openly pirate many forms of media. I frequently pirate movies or anime without a second thought. Artists pirate art software instead of choosing to pay for it. I feel like with the birth of the internet, there has been a huge boom in piracy. Perhaps we have to reform this culture of piracy instead.
Another interesting topic is the public domain movement. I saw this one CZcams video about this guy explaining it titled something along the lines of "Why you shouldn't own your work" but for whatever reason I can't find it on CZcams anymore. I'm not arguing for it; I just think it would be interesting to look further into this topic.
You can *treat* the AI as a tool and not as a replacement. But it's still a replacement...
What's the point in quitting if it comes for all industries sooner or later.
Is the IT sector safe? Psychology? Architecture and Engineering? Tell me with a straight face AI won't ever be able to code.
I loathe how purely depressing and doomed every single artist's take is. What are we supposed to do? Drop out of artschool and pick a different career for the few remaining years it still hasn't been touched by AI?
Exactly I feel like we just have to keep going and do our best. My father codes for a living and my mother is an accountant and both were told a long time ago that AI would take over their jobs and it hasn't. It still could, but it hasn't yet. Things are definitely moving faster these days but still, there's no point in quitting yet. We just have to keep going and see what happens. People are getting ahead of themselves.
exactly! I think it’s great for artists to actively look for solutions to the issues regarding ai art and take part in these ethical discussions; but the negativity and doomed mindset isn’t helping anyone. if you detach yourself from the argument, you still see thousands of others happily creating beautiful art and enjoying the art community. there’s SO SO many of us who enjoy creating that i don’t believe for a chance that we are all just going to get erased by ai in an instant one day
what most people worry about is not their jobs being gone but becoming even more undervalued. People outside of this field often undermine it and don't see it as as complicated or serious as other jobs. Now they themselves can go online and produce a picture that they like, maybe more then what they assigned you to make. You may know better, but it's the guys above you that make all the decisions- about the project, the job and your livelihood.
@@9Times8lue I wish it was that easy but what if I kept going and when I start looking for a job there’s no jobs at all then I would be broke so I can’t just turn a blind eye to it I need to make sure I will be able to have some sort of stable income
@@habibasaad3107 thats understandable. I suppose it just depends on how close you are to getting a degree. I’m very close so there’s no point in me stopping, but I’m sure it’s different for others. Do what feels right for you :)
As someone who made becoming a concept artist sort of a life goal, it honestly makes me really upset to see what's happening to not only the art community but the industry aswell
I know AI art can be useful in some ways but sometimes i wish it just didn't exist
cry me a river
@@Jennifahh How much are you getting paid to shill your bootleging machine, leech
@@Jennifahh do you feel better about yourself?
@@Jennifahh why u replying to like every comment
Yep…
Art is my own escape from a future I didn't want to happen. I am happiest when I draw or paint. I was starting to contemplate opening commissions since I finally became comfortable enough with my abilities, and now this happens. What am I left with?
Don't give up just yet, things are about to change drastically in just a few months.
Keep drawing and improving! There will always be place for real artists, also one bit of advice: storyteling is something only humans can do, and what will make yours stand out is way you aproach it, like there are lots of interesting themes, but even more ways to convey and explore them, only limit is your imagination!
We will prevail. We will have to adapt, to be strong, to be for each other, but we will prevail. And even if we don't, the fight is worth it regardless of the outcome. We are fighting for our own soul, and that of human creativity. I am not anti A I or tech, but I am anti antiethical AI or tech. I stand with you, and I hope you stand with us.
change your carrer mate! take example like this world after industrial revolution from agrarian country to industrial country there's so much job gone by factory/manufacture so change it before late
I've been thinking about the same things. I think in the near future, the unfair and extremely disappointing truth is that many jobs involving commissioning, specific 2d and even 3d pieces, will be dead. To be completely honest, I wouldn't listen to anyone saying "adapt," as in somehow go beyond AI in speed or begin using AI to compete. There are also things we can still do to potentially prevent AI art from taking over. AI art is a copyright infringement abomination, and should not exist. Most artists do not want their art being stolen and mashed up by AI, so the best chance we have is fighting against them legally in my opinion. But please do not stop making art. AI may make take away jobs, but it will never be able to make original pieces created from pure imagination like you. AI isn't able to create exactly what you are thinking either, so your pieces will always be original. AI art is just mashed up pieces, and arguably not real art.
I wish we could use AI to improve our art instead of having it take over
i think to an extent we Could . as it could be used for references .. but it really it just incredibly upsetting ..
Or just improve our art without AI Art
I wish they just made new tools for artists that wasnt ai art programs (yes I know you can use it as a tool but you honestly think the majority won’t abuse it and cut corners with it).
Ai art itself needs improving, plus it generates the same lifeless style. The works made from people are far more diverse, precise, imaginative and authentic than the stolen work from the same people used to feed the machine
That's how I'm using AI generated images. I just give it a topic and if an I like ends up popping up, I'll try to draw that and add that bits and pieces that I like. I'll just do what I can and then just look at the image as a reference. Either that or trace over it if it would look better in the bizarre shape that was generated. There are just somethings my brain can't understand when wanting to draw it.
There should be a law protecting art from being fed into ai generators. Maybe requiring the consent of the artist to be fed into the generator
The counter I have heard is that some other country who doesn’t care about copyright would steal images and create a powerful Art AI anyway- which could persuade countries like the US to look the other way about all the copyright infringement so that they can be the first to do it over another country. :/ not sure how sound the logic is here though.
There isn't one because humans pastiche art all the time, why is an AI not able to do it, but a human is.
@@Dualidity bc humans arent literally eating the artwork to make their own half assed version, usually they do it to parody a certain aspect of one's work and even then, pastiche art is only done to artworks that have some form of copyright leniency like mona lisa and the scream
@@choxoletyo8518 no... You can do pastiche to any artwork,
@@Dualidity then the first point still stands, humans dont just submit the image into their heads and hit "generate", that's the difference. It's like the difference between harvesting your own water and naming it revian for example (parody of evian) and literally just taking an evian bottle, pouring the water into your bottle and calling it a day. One harvested the water, the other literally just took it from an already existing bottle
establishing a name for yourself is easier said than done especially with smaller artists. I personally am taking a step back from social media because having the need to always be putting my work out there trying to stay in the game has led me to burn outs that made me stay away from my drawing tablet for weeks.
Same. Literally same
Should we be friends?
Same, I can't shake the thoughts in my head, "Should I record this? Should I post this? Is this good content?" whenever I pick up a pen. Sometimes, it makes me stop wanting to draw before I even start
You're not the only one. I stopped for the last 2 months cos everytime I go online I'm just bombarded with amazing ai art and I'm left feeling so fucking despondent
@@mads_ for me its "eeh whatever im too lazy to post this junk since its nothing good eitherway"
Idc how good AI is, I'll always hire real artists in the future if I ever need one. Even if I'm the last person on earth doing that, I'll be here for y'all
Yikes…now I am curious what art jobs WON’T be affected by AI art.
I mean.. there's always architecture, but the art of it is more of a background than anything tbh.
@@aquaticalateralis I worry that architecture might be affected too, once people began to develop AIs that’s able to incorporate material science…
architecture is definitely affected with things like parametric designs being more widely adopted with even its own course of study now.
Interior design doesn’t escape the same problem where there’s algorithms and AI for the optimum layouts for different aesthetics and functions.
Car designing has Czinger doing a similar thing with car designs.
These are just the biggest names in the field, I’m sure there is and will be more.
@@ThevralLee Art Critic
I believe the animation industry will never be affected by AI because animation is a whole other art form that should take REAL HUMANITY to create……..
Just… saying…
My art teacher said this, what make art beautiful is knowing that someone did it. That was essentially wat he said
I come from a Computer Science background and have experience with AI + Machine Learning. I wanted to address a few concerns about this video and the comments.
I completely understand where everyone is coming from because we fear being replaced by AI and robots. (I have the same fear because I worry that AI can code and build apps faster than me).
When it comes to AI, it uses the past to predict the future in order to to create something. In other words, to determine someone's future or to develop something, we look at their past behaviour. AI can only look at past art (or past training data in AI terms) to create the art they make.
That said, AI can not create something entirely "new." A Human's creative side of the brain is much more creative than a model that uses past data to predict the future, so there are limitations. (Technically, Robots + AI can feel emotion but that's a different discussion). Trends, future breakthroughs, and what we see prevalent in art (or anywhere in life) are dictated by humans and cannot be accurately predicted by AI by 100%. An AI can predict 70% of future trends in the stock market, but when it comes to art, art trends are constantly changing, and these trends are dictated by what the human eye/society likes. Not a robot. An AI can't have a "Taste" for art because all it does is suck and eat everyone's art. If it likes to eat absolutely everything for training purposes, how will an AI know what looks good and what doesn't look good if it perceives everything as delicious? Bro, if AI could 100% accurately predict the stock market, there would be no point in a stock market where there are losses.
Let's take Arcane's (League of Legends) art style, for example. That art style with the brush strokes animation and the concept was entirely new. While the artists may seek inspiration from other sources (CyberPunk art or creating a mood board), its art style has been so signature and "new" , an AI would not be able to "predict League of Legends art Styles" in 2010.
So keep doing your art. AI (and humans), don't know what will be popular or what new shows or movies will be released, so the only species that can determine what is prevalant is humans. Concept Artists are also valuable because we are expected to make "new" concepts, so how can an AI produce something new if it doesn’t know what past data to work with?
If you are even more worried, people say pharmacists are going to be replaced by AI and robots. While I understand the fear, who will research new medicine to treat the sick, new chemicals, etc.? A robot can’t, if all it knows is the "past.” Also, we need researchers too because we need discovery. An AI CAN NOT Discover (if it only has past data).
Only humans are capable of creating something "new" and discovering it.
Something to think about.
I think your view on the matter is interesting, and I agree with you on most of it. AI can’t make a creative breakthrough and will never be able to create something genuinely new. However, I think the real concern about the usage of AI is the impact something like this can have on the number of jobs available, and how this technology could change the animation pipeline.
Studios and producers take a considerable economic risk every time a piece of media is created. Coming up with new ideas takes time and money, and you can never be sure if something you create is gonna be a success. Since AI gives us the power of visualizing ideas fast and cheaper, the time and money at stake get drastically reduced, and the appeal of using this tool is a lot.
I’ll give you an example. On platforms like TikTok and CZcams Shorts, the number of content creators using computer-generated narrators is high, and we’re pretty much used to it. Some of us even use it ourselves! Because it’s way easier and cheaper to do so. If you think about it, if we had to use our voices or hire a voice actor for every TikTok or short uploaded online daily, these types of platforms would never be as successful as they are now.
Creatively, I think you make an excellent argument. But if we put it into practice, getting ideas down faster can be more appealing. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
(PS: Adding to your argument, something that I could see happening is that the quality of new upcoming media can downgrade a lot because of these tools. Because, as you mentioned, AI is not capable of creating new things. But if the industry uses this tool anyway, we might get stuck in the past when it comes to creativity)
I love this take! a really interesting perspective
@@nacioanacona I agree with you BUT, visualizing instantly an idea is limiting ourselves.
Art is a process, and ideas can evolve during that process, a lot of illustrations or comics/manga, are not the same as the first idea that came out of the mind of the artist. And if those artists used to instantly visualize their work, maybe a lot of things that are in the pop culture now, would never have been created.
There are so many exemples of huge artists saying that the work that made them famous was something completely different at first or that the work that made them famous was created because something happened in the life of the artist that leads him to feel a strong emotion, maybe anger, maybe sadness, but the artist needed to express themselves through art and BOOM it became a masterpiece !
so getting the ideas faster may be good but if you actually don't know how to make them evolve and if you're someone that like use AI but you never had any imagination, it will not be useful.
Yes. AI functions on preexisting databases that depend on human input. The logical conclusion to your argument would be that human work is valued. It is a best case scenario, however. The problem is whether human work actually WILL be valued, or whether money and productivity will speak louder. Considering how capitalism has such a stronghold in our lives, my expectations are rock bottom. Maybe I'm wrong, and we really can work together to solve this problem of AI reliance, but currently this topic makes me want to cry.
I think you are very wrong about this ,the human brain have not really biologically evolved in the las 300000 years ,go back in time and bring a baby from the prehistoric times put him in the university and he will be able to become a doctor an engineer or in this context an art student that makes masterpieces in painting ,but leave him in the past and hw will be limited to do basic art in cave's walls even though his or her brain has the potential to do much bigger things , this is because he has no accesible "data " ,you know that this AI models have access to much bigger ammounts of data ,they can basically"learn" ( for a lack of better definition) an style in seconds styles that could take a human a lifetime to learn let alone perfect ,they are able to "mix "styles creating things we could not even imagine because it process the data in ways we can't even understand,nevertheless the results are astounding ...I find it curious that coming from an AI background you can't see the relationship with the "alpha go" moment , because that particular instance currently we are changing the paradigm from creating "models" that we humans can understand , to the models that create results in ways we can't understand but nevertheless are correct,because we are entering ( in a very few years) the critical moment at wich exponential growth of AI will be so fast that no human will be able to keep up ,that why AI leading experts can't even predict what is going to happen and this is even before we leave our aging binary based computer systems wich are emerging into quantum DNA an other non silicone machines ,that will create so many "new " things where computer generated art frankly will be like adding 1+1 in the great scheme of things to come...art is basically an expression of data ,is been proven 100% that creativity is not longer a human trait you should watch documentaries about AI-da the robot artist where that is explained in depth ,another crucial aspect is that Ai-da is not limited to what it can learn from the internet databases ,it has onboard cameras which enable it to learn from its immediate sorroundings ,so yes it can read "emotions" better than a human can ,this will allow it to explore nature and even the cosmos in ways that we can't simply process it ,putting this in painting will be the easiest thing for it ...and the results will blow our minds even when we can't fully understand what we are seeing
Anyone can take a picture, but not everyone can be a photographer.
The result is the same so who cares
@@Jennifahh
That’s just wrong.
@@soysource3218 now that is just saying can make a good movie
Look at the freaking Star Wars sequel trilogy
Aren't wedding photographer pros already getting hammered financially because of smart phones? At a coworkers wedding he says they got more and better pics from all the guests phones than what the pro they hired did. Was very disappointed.
Seems like the infinite monkeys writing Shakespeare thing on a smaller, higher probability scale...
Exactly this: I'm an artist (character designer/illustrator) and my cousin is a professional photographer. My photos and hers are just a whole world of difference! I make more candid in the moment kind of shots, but despite me having a pretty steady hand, it always ends up looking pretty haphazard compared to her work. Mine are more like a family photo album, but her photos are a work of art. Also, you should see her more artsy shots, her skills really put those fake deep Instagram models to shame. Like, there's ACTUAL symbolism in her work, it's not just your standard 'I'm 12 and this is deep' fare. I like to say that I try to capture the moment, but that she actually manages to: her composition and lighting is just so much better, and I it's just really impressive how she can do that in like a split-second. I know I take about 2 seconds to even get my camera steady enough to take the picture.
I really liked looking at concept art and hoped one day i could make art like it...looks like computers beat me to it
Concept art is one of the most safe ones.... I would be more consered as an illustrator
Time to bring more value to your ideas and dreams more than the medium that produces it.
@@luizabianco if execution is the limitation, than that actually promotes A.I. through bulk output at vast processing speeds rather than hand draw by an artist. It is far easier to select and adapt that create from scratch. Your logic favors automation rather than flaws that make art unique. If you seen some A.I. generated stories, they adapt to the users preferences thus being better than any artist.
@@luizabianco funny you mentioned fast food which isn't automated and relies on human error from low paid people who are motivated to specifically not care. Car factories which are automated like Toyota, have exactly what the customer wants at the click of a button to machines that turn out a higher quality product much faster. For those that consume art, there are a growing number of people who want something tailored to them instead of what a human artist tries to sell them. Machine learning can track what you view longer and your search preferences long before a human artist "gets inspired". The human artist is becoming a niche market and an outdated way to think of art. Have you seen movies like Chappie or instances like Data from Star Trek where machines develope a more human soul and can imagine and create just like their human creators? Get used to seeing the line blur between human and A.I.
@@luizabianco I'm not the one comparing apples to oranges missing the fine points of your point. Details can matter... Especially large ones. That consumerism dystopian viewpoint only matters if quality goes down. If speed, accuracy, and quality all increases, then this isn't exactly a "fast food mentally" as that only works towards speed and profitability at the cost of quality. Your "toyism comparison" comment only acts a bad belittlement to attack me rather than the topic of which I am opinionated about. Isn't it just as naive to pity oneself complaining about the inevitable as if it actually matters? A.I. art is here and no amount of bitching is going to stop it now is it. I for one embrace and welcome the A.I. art generating technology be it for personal entertainment or for commercial adaptation. If A.I. becomes sentient enough, I'd even share copyright claims as a collaboration with it. Fear mongering is kinda a wasted effort here when convenience and quality of artwork is far better than most individuals themselves can achieve alone. A similar situation happened with the ability to draw on a personal computer. Hand drawn artists and painters feared that their jobs would be taken by the new art form. We still have both now don't we.
This whole thing is like from some dystopian scifi horror movie. Humanity tries to kill it's own soul
Great perspective on the topic. It feels like AI art IS going to disrupt our industry but as long as we keep talking about it and protecting our IP's we can dull the impact.
You don't own any IP, your style isn't an intellectual property, you are just ripping off pieces from other artists and assembling them into one work.
@@Dualidity what the hell are you talking about
The funny thing about AI art is… if you don’t have electricity, there’s nothing to it. Meanwhile people who are good at digital art are still gonna retain their skill, same for people who draw on paper.
I hate that this is happening now, after I recover from depression because I started to believe I can leave my day job and one day live from job in art industry (gamedev f.e.) I red that AAA studios are changing juniors jobs for ai already :( so sad and demotivating
One of my thoughts when it comes to ai art is a lack of intetional design and the fact they can't take feedback haha. You can't get exactly what you need whereas a human can iterate and design and communicate wholly and effectively getting you something that's exactly what you need/want
That won't last long either, they are already working on AIs you can talk to and ask to make changes, as well as making manual changes.
@@descai10 Done. Now you can input images for what style you want or you can cut and give ai tools edit that patch for you. You can indefinetely iterate from images or can extend ( infinite zoom images)
As a professional concept artist I can assure you that AI will not be overtaking the role any time soon. Ai is currently unable to implement the elements of visual psychology and design fundamentals that go into the work as a concept artist, (they basically just smash images together to see what they can get) which means that even if AI can make a beautiful image off of prompts it lacks the design foundations to be consistently effective for entertainment design. Larger studios know this and every time a junior artist brought up AI art during a meeting we ended up having the same conversation. Concept art is a lot more than just having lots of ideas shooting in the dark based on a prompt. The biggest problem that this will bring to the table for concept art specifically is in the presence of people who don't understand that there is more thinking and design in the job. Truthfully, concept art is %90 effective problem solving and %10 art. Unfortunately, anyone who is under the impression that concept artists are just good at art will pay a machine to spit out 200 shots in the dark before asking a real professional to get something perfect in the first 5 takes, and they'll probably assume that they were being smart while they do it.
Hey Wiley! Just wondering if you’re free to answer a few questions? I’m currently a concept art student, working on my basic fundamentals but I don’t really have a clue as to how the professional pipeline goes. Would it be possible to contact you on ArtStation?
I think the bigger worry would be about the ability of new people to get into the industry uk
This is super interesting! I don’t understand too much about concept art, but this was informative. Thanks!
@@bluemoon6264 They do have their ArtStation link on their channel About section if you were looking for it.
Thank you, you really put what I have in mind exactly into words, it seems many people don't have a clue of what concept art is, the majority has the impression is just painting pretty pictures, far from that
My only dream in life was to become a freelance artist. Now I dont know if I'll be able to compete with AI. I feel so lost. I don't know what to do with my life anymore. I feel like my purpose is beginning to disappear
@Juris Angeles Oh I bet. I always knew that being a "starving artist" would be hard, extremely hard, and I always knew I wouldn't make a lot of money. But I'd prefer to be poor and doing something I enjoy than making decent money doing something that makes me want to kms.
Having to compete with robots that can spit out high quality art at a billionth of the speed was never an obstacle I had considered until it happened. I'm still going to try though.
Also I don't know what kind of work you do or what your skill level is but it sounds like you were undercharging for your services. $30 for something you spent hours on is insanely cheap. Good luck
I can't believe that this is actually happening and I'm sitting here watching this. What a hell.
Usually new art tools create new opportunities for art careers, but AI is mostely taking them away
Yeah, it’s pretty depressing. I’d love to become an artist and storyteller, but with the influx of AI, it feels like it might be impossible
It's a massive transfer of value from an already weak group of passionate and driven people, to another group who are completely dominant already, slurping down all our dreams through a straw.
@@Edinburghdreams YOU have to do something, nowadays everyone waits around, watching the world go to sh*t, expecting some knight in shining armor is going to come save them when in reality under the armor the knight is just a regular guy who decided to do something.
@@yaboiavery5986 I actually am very active on this. I've barely given it a rest for about a month, have stopped any other work apart from the most essential. I focus on it from when I get up till when I go to sleep. My girlfriend's trying to get me to take a break. Haha.
But I agree with the sentiment. We all need to step up.
@@Edinburghdreams heyyyyy!!! Nice man :) that's some good stuff there. Maybe try to explain to your girlfriend why it's so important to you?
Also I'm 100% sure that there's tons of others just as motivated as you to make change that can help aswell, teamwork.
I've also found that alot of people want to help but feel powerless to do anything, these people may just lack the (learnable) ability to be a leader, meaning that I think they'd happily help if you simply showed them a way to.
Considering how my current direction in art is to become a concept artist, it deeply hurts that AI art may jeopardise my chances of success.
However, I think it's important to remember that we shouldn't just stop drawing because AI exists. As mentioned already in Michelle's video, AI art (in its current state) cannot capture human emotion or the humanity behind an art piece. We, as humans, are still able to inject experience, story, emotion, and our own habits, style, and imperfections into a piece.
While we are capable to make our own observations and have our own experiences, AI cannot. Who can say if it truly fathoms things like perspective or colour theory or animation principles and so on. In fact, I think that even if AI art became the new norm, that makes human art even more valuable and precious. So don't put yourself down. Keep creating. If you love art, then keep doing it, even in face of adversity.
In the end, I do hope that people will feel more drawn to art created by the humans and their tools rather by an intangible machine.
AI art creates with kind of a random way which mimics natural selection and evolution, so it will evolve to create things that people find the most moving and pleasurable and a much greater scale that humans can.
Thanks, that's a really good point!
No, Ai precisely can capture human emotion or the humanity behind an art piece and it does that easily even now. In fact so easily that wit will perfectly convey those things with the painting of a girls who has 3 hands and head growing out of her butt. bit it will still capture all that emotion.
what AI fails to do is to produce any kind of meaning. what AI makes is nothing but pure emotion.
AI will never produce something like famous "Black Square" painting.
And for me it looks even good that it will eliminate those shitty artists who make great paintings that lack any substance.
If all you do with your art is express your personal emotions then that's not something worth to look at.
@@ClaimClam this is impossible because people like different things and things that we like also change over time especially if we get exposed to them too much.
Generally we don't want a robot that pleases us with what we like we want a robot which helps to discover news things that we may like in the future
@@deltaxcd it really doesn't. It just takes the emotion from real works of art made by people and turns them into amalgamations and approximations.
Please don't give up on true art. It's a reflection of your soul, your imagination, your feelings and your story. It's important, valuable and amazing. Even if no one else seems to see it or care about it, it is yours and it is something you can treasure and enjoy. Keep creating!
but it wont feed you...... trust me food is pretty imp
There will be no "avoid" and no "tool" that is useful to you because this coming for you all, this is inevitable, as long as you keep coping like this bruh never seen such an industry who just say "ok, I will move" as if you have no foot on the matter. Fight and unite, even though it will be inevitable at the very least fight for what you love to the end, or forever be regretting that you given up to the craft you love too easily.
Also don't mind people who say it will not be stop as they have a massive incentive to weaken in your resolve to fight for what you love.
AI can do a lot of things, but it can never be original on its own. It needs someone to guide it to create something with meaning.
This is similar in many ways to a drum machine. That device can mimic the drums for a track almost perfectly, but if the person working with the machine doesn't know the drums, or worse, you're simply using a preset, it will feel stiff and robotic. But if you _do_ know the drums, you can program it to play as lively as any human being. A drum machine still needs a drummer in the end.
If you know art, you can get an AI art machine to create wonders, or even to simply use it to quickly iterate between fully rendered compositional ideas without spending hours rendering each one.
An AI art machine still needs an artist in the end.
And while yes, it will be (not can. _will_) be used to cheat artists out of a job by shitty companies willing to make a quick buck, this already happens with music (soulless corporate music), and musicians still get gigs, because they're simply better than machines run by people that don't care.
AI art is a tool. Use it.
Remember the feeling of learning a friend could draw....drawing together late hours. Making ideas. Or just enjoying. Now they come with Prompts. 😑
The problem that is already happening is AI accounts on ig or artstation or twitter, pretending to be actual artists posting 3 pieces of art a day, that's horrible the algorithm will always prioritize their work because they post more, this was already bad for people that don't post much now is even worse way way worse, because actually stolen art is being viral
These were the kind of careers I was hoping I would like to do. Welp, time to turn art back into a hobby and go study Chemistry like my parents always wanted.
:((((((
Err, you may want to look into SMILES based structural chemistry prediction models. It is not that much brighter on this side of the fence ^^;
ayo, a fellow homestuck?
I did exactly this, I gave up and now I'm studying to be a vet lol
Smartttt
I actually think it’s pure hysteria.
I work as an artist for a record label who considered using AI images for cover art, the thing is….ai lack refined concept. Sure it looks cool but it’s currently unable to tell a story, feature specific things at a certain degree and it’s relatively hard to use it for assets since it’s not created with layers.
So the record labels still come to me and my peers because it would be a lot more exhausting to rework AI generated cover art into layers + assets.
I think every industry will come to realize that cohesion and concept is a level of quality they can’t attain without actual artists.
Exactly. AI helps immensely with conceptualization and trims down the whole design process. If anything, it's beneficial for us artists, because an AI does not have the capacity to comprehend a cohesive design concept.
The thing is, not every industry cares about the refinement or story details. This is why she put down visual design / concept art as one of the fields to avoid. It’s not meant to be perfect or shown to the public. It’s just meant to be a quick visual example of a product’s design, characters, or atmosphere. It’s usually handed off to other artists like 3D modelers as reference for actual product design.
So sure, a record label company might not have too much use for it, but a lot of other industries will. And a lot of low budget companies who just need a quick visual reference will choose AI instead of spending $100+ on a concept artist.
@@catcactus1234 it absolutely depends on the dev team’s concept anyway. A niche game with a strong visual style isn’t going to use a thing so vague.
Sure you can use bits and piece for photobash but it still takes a trained eye to make it look good.
In the future it will be critiqued anyway for looking as cheesy as most plastic surgeries. It will all have a distinct “AI LOOK” to it that will either dock points from the atmosphere of the game and over all art direction. And due to the ai’s lack of really getting in there it will reflect poorly on the finished versions that were created using the the AI concept art as inspiration or guide.
@@stardustandspit Hmm I’m not sure what AI art you’ve seen, but I’ve definitely seen a lot which match up to what a professional concept artist could produce. They don’t look plastic-y or stylistically dull. I say this as an artist myself with a strong interest in concept art.
Midjourney is absolutely killing it at sci-fi/fantasy concept art. Just take a look at some of those “(song) but every lyric is an AI generated image” videos- those are genuinely well made and thought provoking images. Do they sometimes produce wonky images with strange faces? Yes. But could they replace a concept artist if the person behind it knows how to filter down the results to what they’re looking for? Also yes. I messed around with it for a few minutes and managed to come up with an image that closely matched the style, atmosphere, and character I was going for.
I agree AI isn’t going to be useful for some scenarios, like yours, but I think you’re underselling how good the art is. Non-artists most likely wouldn’t even be able to tell if it’s AI generated at this point.
@@catcactus1234 sure, and I’m sure it will improve over time, I’ve just seen most of it has a “look” or lack of cohesion and usually requires a fair amount of compositing to be passable
People who say "dont panic, it's just a tool" forget that companies WILL use AI as cheaper and faster option than paying artist. Also commissions will suffer from it too.
Good, then only those artists who aren't in it for the money will remain.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 but artists need to eat and pay rant. For most of them commissions are essential for survival
@@Marrianno only the best will survive, the average or mediocre artists whose works have no real value will either find a new career or starve, only the best of the best will be left in the field, and those will be paid highly, and if we reach a point when AI outdoes the best of the best it just means artists are obsolete
I've been getting into software engineering and AI but as a veteran artist... This is where I cross the line. For a long time, I've stuck to illustrations but now I feel like I have to start learning how to make comics or animation which might actually be pretty beneficial since it'll take me out of my comfort zone but ooohh man... Years of work being fed to artificial intelligence in just a few clicks... It's infuriating. Now I have this pressure to differentiate my work from the stuff the ai replicates.
I tried using Stable Diffusion and fed some of my works to the ai and wrote a some prompts with a little bit of tweaks. And man, that bot is smart... I hate it... but part of me loves it cause I study ai... but damn, I really hate it...
Take advantage of it? Im gonna use it to generate frame by frame animation by using photographs of myself in different photos. Thinl of the potential!
If you haven't heard the news, they are currently taking it to court (copyright infringement... Also can AI generated work be "copyright" protected etc.) Judging by past rules (I monkey took a photograph of itself. A photographer tried to copyright it under his name. Court ruled against him stating that enough human involvement into the piece has to be achieved before being able to copyright it under your name).
Judging from all of this, since companies like money, producing work using AI will bring them no money as they cannot "copyright" it to their name.
Now, I say this will create a unique market.
Companies will hire artists to CREATE art specifically to be fed into the AI OR will just buy art from artists just to have the right to use it to feed into AI.
This resolves the copyright issue (artists were compensated for the work the AI uses etc. And have their permission) AND they can use them commerically. Why?
Imagine you are an artist.
You draw 20 pictures by hand. You feed them into an AI. An AI produces a picture based on those 20 pictures. You can "copyright" it as its just a "collage" using all 20 pictures that YOU DREW. You we're involved in the process. You drew all the drawings. The output of the AI just took your own work and combined them.
In this case, all "the company's" pictures were used and all the images were obviously human involved since all images used to collage were made by that same company - their employees (human involvement) etc.
If for some reason, the court isn't satisfied, just do some manipulation in Photoshop using the AI generated images and there you have it! Enough human involvement!
@@JoseVasquez-vj3lo That sounds like a wonderful solution to everyone's problems. I hope it works out that way
As always, artists are the ones that always get the short end of the stick no matter the era or the reason.
As a profession, artists always are demeaned, treated as inferior to "real jobs", and now...now we have to deal with this "AIrt".
Frankly one day humanity will rue the day they treated artists this badly.
I feel like AI wont ever take over the creative aspect, ideas the human mind can come up with based on past experiences.
Yes and no. AI can be "creative" in its own unexpected ways. However, it cannot be creative in a human way.
@@ThePanguinator the human is already there, it has billions of combinations that you could even possibly ever think of..
Try Midjourney version 4.
Thank you for this video. I started art only 2 years ago but I fell in love and decided it has to be my job because I will love to work that way. Seeing the AI art rising is very discouraging and frustrating for someone who worked on their skill every day for the last 2 years, just to see that what takes me several hours can a computer generate in seconds…. I am scared for myself not being able to find a job in the art industry in the future (as I still have to learn a lot) and AI is evolving so quickly….it’s not about the money it’s that I wanted to turn my passion into my daily job so I could be happy….my journey has just started yet I feel like it’s already ending. Hopefully people can appreciate human element in the art instead of robot generating pictures in seconds. Using artworks of other artists to feed the AI without any consent or compensation is a whole another story that just pisses me off
I am in very similiar spot in life :( rel
The way I relate to this is unreal
@@MahoCatCreations You are definitely right. We have to continue just for ourselves and I think that’s what will make the difference bc we put our heart into it 💗 3D art is a great deal! Don’t worry too much I think there are many options for 3D artists and it will take quite some time b4 AI can do what you do 💪🏻 let’s keep the hard work and turn our passion into something that can’t be replaced by AI 🥰
I think one big con about AI imagery is that it creates a subtle uncanny valley by sourcing its materials from existing works.
Even if it looks right at first glance and is mostly anatomically incorrect, it still looks so weirdly _generic_ and fails to pop to my senses like _actual_ artwork does.
I reckon the best way for artists and ai to keep a healthy relationship is 1 simple thing. The art that teaches these ai (at least the ones used for profit) MUST be explicitly allowed by the respective artist. Like a copyright law that may or may not be imposed by the party with copyrights. Music is a form of art that already has protection like this (although paying to submit copyright for every piece of art might be a bit of hassle) so art for now is purely ethics... UNLESS art 'copyright' is protected within terms of service of a social media platform, that art may not be taken from the site. DeviantArt announced an ai art program in which all existing user's arts are pre-enrolled and will be used to generate images, this is the thing artists want protection from.
As a software engineer the situation makes me think of if i had to code my replacement. 😅
But is too late. Many ppl like me already have downoloaded the models into our computers, we can feed it with whatever we want. So no matter if they shut down these things.,...WE ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING WHAT WE NEED INOUR CPUS LMFAO
@@Jennifahh Another tech bro seeking attention by saying false things that don’t make sense, does your anger come from the fact that you don’t have the motivation, passion, nor skill to create art pieces you could be proud of, did anger from your incompetence, and jealously/envy from those who’ve crafted their skill drive you to comment this petty nonsense everywhere in this comment section to get under people’s skins? Once these programs are forced to become open source and opt-in programs that don’t steal from non-consenting artists due to copyright laws/lawsuits, would you still boast like a childish tyrant? You’re a slave to the ai, *you* are not creative, nor skilled, and the only satisfaction you get from ai art is saying comments like this, or just a simple “looks cool” moment.
I hate life.
How the HELL do accountants still exist (accountants are basically glorified calculators and they still manage to get their calculations wrong sometimes, so a lot of them do their job terribly) but AI bros are coming specifically for artists??? Like, who hurt you bro? Did your artist crush reject you because this feels very personal.
Indeeeed, btw, be more sensitive towards accountants, don’t wish them replacement
its probably because its a lot easier to get data sets of art and artist works than accountants
I'm an accountant who does art. We are not just glorified calculators. Trust me
Los contadores no son solo calculadoras.
If accountants are glorified counters, then artists are glorified image generators. Don't be an ass.
I’ve had a lot of advice given to me since starting school. One of my foundation professors told me “use your story” as far as creating concept and developing. I fully support that. AI art is good, but not touching me with their story. We would’ve never got AI to create Steven Universe, The Owl House, or Oni by AI. I know it’s good at mimicking us but it doesn’t speak from experience or from feeling. Which I know you mentioned telling your story, but yeah.
The people using this AI as a hatebone towards creatives act as if STEM jobs like computer science, engineering and whatnot won’t be taken over as well lmao. If your imagination can only be seen from generating a stolen work to cultivate an airbrushed unstylized piece- then thats just another level of sad.
Why should a hardworking designer, architect, illustrator, and other creative worker give up their spot just because you can generate an anime girl in 10000 different ways?
Besides it's very sus that Ai got to art first, one would think that coding would be taken first, it's more logical and computer like, why art and creative careers 🤔
@@elenaangulo4397 they’re mad that their parents never allowed them to be creative so take it out on us while showing off how they have a have a “real job”
@@elenaangulo4397 There is already AI that does good chunks of coding for you. Github Copilot was announced last year.
@@izumichan31 that’s karma honestly
Wait people seriously use it as a hatebone towards creatives? I need to see this
What AI can do now blows my mind! And as a artist it does make my heart quaver, but it sure is interesting.
obviously videos not out yet, but I think plenty of artists said again and again that ai replication isnt that great, especially when it comes to something like animation, where its just not as good.
And sure, ai could be good, but that would cost tons of money and its made off of the back of art theft.
Definitely!
There's already some stuff with regards to animation unfortunately. Someone animated a 3D MMD model (still needs actual work and skill obviously) and then let the AI "draw" over it and it pretty much looked like a 2D animation. There are consistency problems sure, but that can easily be fixed.
@@northwestrex i think there's a video by a specific animator that says it best. Besides, AI is still controlled by humans
@@mewTripled wahh !!! Its you!!
Sadly, I think it's time to just get used to using the AI. Look at AI earlier this year, and if you keep up with the space present time.. it just keeps improving dramatically.
I think telling your own stories thru art will be the safest place to go, skill will be replaceable, and as long as it's coming from your human heart, it will take a while until AI will be able to replicate our flawed emotions.
Unfortunately, AI Art is becoming more and more advanced and flawless so (probably) pretty soon artists will have to lower their worth to even be considered as an option. And that's already depressing enough to make you wonder if pursuing art is even worth it anymore because at the end of the day in the eyes of a corporation; you're not a person, you're a salary, and if you're getting too costly well what's gonna stop them from replacing you with something that's literally free and can produce something in mere minutes. The Starving Artist will no longer be a myth.
We're no longer starving artists, we're dying artists! Yeayyyy!!!
People in general don't value artists
There will be not a starving artist man, there will be non
Nahh
Look at and be greatful of corporate america my mother says whenever I, a capitalist, criticize capitalism and what should not be happening
Considering how much attention this has been getting in the mainstream, I really hope that some sort of law is created to protect artists. Bc i get the impression most people don’t care too much for AI art as replacement for human artists
It’s sad because a lot of people also don’t respect art as a job, don’t understand the value of art and the level of learned skills artists have. I really hope the law will rule in favor of artists and not towards a shallow view of chasing money to no end.
nobody had any issues with ai when we were making markiplier at a mcdonalds in hell memes but nobody know that these ais were being made specifically to rework the art industry... i find it ironic that every single person who works with copyrights have said that ai art CANT be copyrighted, while the actual ai developers will swear on their graves that everything is original and copyrightable.... especially... specifically only copyrightable when YOURE paying them... for their ai... lmao.
it's stupid as hell, and i have a feeling that this will all be either shut down within the next few years when it comes into actual legal issues, or it'll just continue on and overtake what it's already doing.
to boot it started coming out around a big economic dip for a lot of us where money is short and everyone is considering their jobs and work as an artist.
people can get copyright struck from just using an extra second of someone else's music in their videos, why should they be able to take our entire piece and thousands of others and completely get away with it, without any consequences at all? at the very least, ai art should not be able to be monetized at all. and also have a big stupid watermark slapped all over it where it'd be difficult to remove from the actual picture.
i had a run in from another person on my main website for posting, where the website had JUST banned ai art the literal day this person joined. and they just ended up moving to deviantart. but they're still there on da, posting ai adoptables and ai commissions and selling prints and such, and seems to have just started to get into the nsfw patreon type work now, too. it didn't bother me too much, since they labelled everything as being ai, and they were clearly an artist before it came out and they still had to do touch ups, but i just couldnt wrap my head around why anyone would want to pay 50 dollars for something that was ai made, and had that "stroke image" feel to it. she seemed nice, but i couldn't lie and not say that it doesn't feel wrong. wrong for genuine skills and passion to be markered over by something like an action reply cheat code to give them all the items in the game and godmode leaving them with just the actual game to play.
i dunno about anyone else, but whenever i used cheats it made my game boring. i didn't get anything from playing it with cheats because it wasnt MINE, but given to me from the gaming gods.
i cant in good conscious ever use ai, i dont think. i used it once or twice for inspiration, but it just deprived anything that would have been mine originally.
now i will use the ai art to make pictures of optimus prime twerking and "fanboy and chum chum oc"! take that ai gods im going to flood your systems with terrible megatron optimus fanart!
u all justv seems jealous, let ppl do whatever they want. ANYONE has the right to pay and spend their money in whatever they want. If nobody is paying you mayube is because ur art id SHIT, so improve and stop crying
Optimus prime twerking… that’s the only thing ai should be used for
Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, AI seems to have yet to grasp Cybertronian anatomy.
Also that gaming metaphor was so accurate
Pff- the Optimus prime shit- I flooded them with the prompt “Morbius trail-cam footage”
Judging by how they are currently taking this to court, I can see this only creating a new "market".
1st - copyrighted material. I see this as an issue for companies who would want to commerically use whatever images the AI produces.
Judging from past court rulings (monkey took picture of itself. Photographer tried to copyright it under his name. Court ruled against him due to lack of human involvement) as it stands right now, these images cannot be copyrighted and thus will create issues when these companies want to profit from these images as it will be in the gray area if they want to use it commerically.
A simple solution?
This is where the "new market" emerges.
Companies will hire artists to CREATE art specifically to feed into the AI (and thus it can be Tailored to whatever style they want)
Since these artists will be employees, and all AI art is using the art from their employees, I am guessing they will be able to copyright it.
Why? Because there is human involvement.
Think about it like this...
You are an artist. You draw 20 pictures. You train an AI using ONLY these 20 pictures. You get an output. You could argue in court that you can copyright the generated AI image as its just a "collage" of 20 of your OWN pictures that YOU drew. You were involved in the process. You drew all the pictures. You fed all the pictures. You imputed the prompt. You did some last touch ups on Photoshop. YOU were involved.
And thus, YOU get to copyright the generated picture and YOU get to commerically use it freely.
Companies are treated as humans according to the law. So if a company hires employees to draw. And they use AI trained on drawings made in house, then by definition, THEY get the right to use the generated images commerically.
Think of Disney or a big studio like that. They have thousands of drawings already that THEY did themselves (the company). And since all works produced by an employee is the employers by default, this is a solution for companies.
Graduating from college with a degree in art, no direction, a terrible economy, and this. :)
people dont want to do inbetweening because its undervalued and underpaid, but inbetweening is an art that needs you a human to think to get the acting to look right and should be respected. plus its actually really fun to do
Hope this video will add cc after she done speaking because I really want know about it as deaf artist.
I wouldn't support any project, film, game that uses AI. I grinded my entire life to develop this skill in an already competitive space.
I've never seen an attack on artists like this. It's pretty wild.
I think you are wrong about something. Very soon, using AI won't be free. The companies developing them have no intension of just giving it for free. Right now they are giving it for free, but because it benefits them and trains their AI.
The people thats using the AI are just Guinea pigs to smarten up their algorithms.
These billion dollar vc ai companies dont give a shit about the human creatives. Even microsoft invested billions of dollars into the AI art
SD will be open source forever they told us and is installed in our computers
Stable Diffusion is open source, lol.
Opensource is a thing buddy
Just went to a small concert for an indie band, they used ai art for their projected background, album and some promotional materials. I didn’t buy any of their merchandise, it didn’t communicate any of the energy or feeling of their sound. An artist could of produced something with more intentionality.
The legal thing is an angle I haven't thought of. Imagine the creator of an art generator started to claim the art as theirs when a big studio uses it. Unless the AI is made in house as part of the company
The problem is most AI art scrapes social media platforms - where you already agree they can give your content to "trusted partners".
What's really sickening, is to see how many people out there are just flat out ... mean. Like if someone genuely doesn't care what's happening? I mean that's not ideal but it is what it is. Not everyone cares about art or artists. I guess that's everyones right really. But directly hoping people fall out of their jobs? Calling artists entitled? Hoping for people to lose their careers and professions to go away? That's like, I don't even know where to begin. Don't they understand that this is not only about creatives? A lot of professions will have to deal with AI probably sooner than later. It's a form of automatition and increase in efficiency with the potential growing exponentially. If it just happen unchecked it might devalue labor to a point where a lot of people either won't have an income anymore or will be pushed out of the middle class. Even more so than it's already happening. That will be devastating to a consumer driven economy!
It's incredible how shortsighted people can be.
yeah it's crazy that out of all the things we can automate that would make our lives easier, society is gearing up to automate arts + culture
this is exactly my problem with AI art, the sheer lack of empathy from the pro AI side. Art is just not something that NEEDS to be automated, but for some reason that's what they want? Gee I wonder why the people who spent years on a creative hobby don't like it being automated.
@@alecrutz6979 Yeah. There are a lot of people which call artists and creatives snoobish, elitist and gatekeeping others from being creative. And I wonder, where does that idea come from?
The creative community is one of the most open and welcome communities. Literaly everyone is encouraged to do their own work. With what ever tool they desire. A lot of artists, very skilled and popular artists, give out tips, learning material and informations out for free.
And yet. Artists are "entitled" here. While those that applaud the TechBros feel it's over for artists. Oh well.
notifs activated! can't wait for your insights. My hate against ai art is over the roof. I even made a document with tweets regarding the impact on artists... and how people even found out their art was stolen for their darn database.
me: oh boy i can't wait to persue art because creating is something i am passionate in!
ai art: haha NO
Why should a computer stop you from doing something you're passionate about? Do it anyway.
It’s really messed up when you know exactly what you want to do but can’t do it
You're the only artist so far, that I've seen, mention that AI can never take away the itch to create. That if you're only getting into art for the money you are getting into it for the wrong reasons. Thank you. I am an artist and I don't make a living with my art. Would i like to? Sure. But that's only because money is still important. I think AI and automation will one day get rid of the need for money and we can all be free to just create for no reason. If I may just continue my rant, making money from art is just a game of marketing and a certain level of extroversion; you don't even HAVE to be "good" to make money. I don't want to learn marketing, i just want to paint 😭 and I'm very introverted with social anxiety issues so I was never going to make a living off of my art anyway....ok that's the end.
I do art for myself but I really want to start doing more commissions but locally my anime style art is literally hated on, people just walked on by and ignored me at the Christmas craft show I just did. I’m not noticed at all on social media because I’m not as active due to my non art job. I have no room to keep on doing my art in my home. I do digital art for this reason now but people don’t believe I actually do the art and it’s done by a computer and robot. So my passion has been slowly going away at this point.
don't give up, you have hopes and dream, don't let that AI thing take over your passion, you do art because you love it and ai can't understand such a thing that's what make you superior
Put a sign that says hand drawn art so they know you made it.
Its scary actually having to talk about this imo, I remember when I wanted to do art as a career years back but was scared that "robots" as i put it, would have taken the jobs of artists. Idk
As an artist I will never give up, if a computer can only make stuff based off already existing things, then I will have to come up with things a computer can’t possibly comprehend
I think as Artists we can always adapt to this, however hard that might seem. But more importantly, we need laws regulating the use of A.i in art, especially if it's claimed to be open source.
Thanks for sharing!
This reminds me of that time I went to art school because I dreamed of becoming a 2d animator like my faves Frank and Ollie, but all anyone cared about teaching/employing at that point was 3d. Then I discovered I loved digital painting but somehow ended up as a dance teacher who did graphic design for other dancers. Maybe my point is that as artists we feel we have to always be creating, and that's what it's truly about for us. It may not always make us money but we still have to create to feel fulfilled. So don't stop. Society cares about money, power, and celebrity; so I guess the people who can link their art to these things will become successful. For myself, I just want to help others in whatever way I can with my creativity, and hopefully that will be enough. Never stop coming up with new ideas and have a backup plan or two.
There are also a tone of processes which an AI (at the moment) cant do, for example, just doing a 2D video game, requires lots more work than a AI generative Flat Image, for animation there are just assets that require to be done separately and composed together in a scene, layout etc, I see Ai as a tool for us artists and also as it usually happens,there is a ying to the yang, art made by human artists would then also be valued more in some areas. :)
Ok We will think of solution to generate flat image.
yeah offcourse like design interior, design construction, design goods, design car, make object didn't exist (history and concpet art), etc. they still need artist to do the job done
This technology has lessd than a year, 6 months of development. Next year will be able to do that so ....
Someone trained a sprite sheet generator already :(
@@iborjack4745 interior design, bags design already exist bro
Just want to say that I love your work and the stories you've told. And that you've inspired me in my art journey! Keep making these stories
We have to fight this. Wasn't the first lawsuit just filed? There's a fighting chance, at least lawyers agree. There's something to be done. We shouldn't be avoiding the fight. We shouldn't be looking for alternative art careers. We should fight.
I think most of this will affect concept art 🖼 or people that work at Disney or big companies but I do think it will muddy up the art community and it's gonna be a lot of people out there stealing Art and making it hard for working artists 👩🏾🎨 However I think if you have a unique POV as a traditional artist then it will be really hard for someone to replicate your work like AI. I recommend that people start copywriting your stuff because they're definitely gonna be stealing it
Also if they can’t afford a human cool, you don’t want them to ask you for a commission, because they going to try to find a reason to not pay as much or get away with the work for free.
A poor solo dev paid me pretty good for a handful of art peices back in day if he didn't sacrifice his hard earned cash to pay for me as a student I wouldn't be where I am today.
We really do live in the worst timeline
It's unfortunate that a lot of the gig work/entry positions that many developing artists use as stepping stones before bigger studio/company work will be eliminated.
I’m about to try to apply to an art school for college, so I’m very thankful to have watched this first ☺️
Thanks for posting this! As a college illustration student, I think we all need to focus on what we can control, what's realistic, and what's optimistic. This video helped me feel like I have a better grasp on a disconcerting situation and some resources to research it further.
Tbh i get more drawn to medias with a proper artist because i like to check their social media and other work, its too boring if the art was made by AI i like to appreciate the artist's artistic decisions as inspo for my own art and i wouldn't be able to do that if the art was made by AI, the media using that art wouldn't catch my attention at all for sure
As an artist i can say that creativity is dynamic and fluid. Possibility exists in the unlimited mind. Such as in children
Children is just imitating and copying. Same as AI.
Thanks for sharing the town halls. I didn't know those existed, so I'll definitely be checking those out.
I’ve been considering giving up art and going into programming. This just demotivates me so much.
Don't do it! Resist. Keep the dream alive! Best, El'ad
Isnt programming a ia dangered field too?
@@Scetileaf I think so but they keep saying that programming will be safe since A.i wont code itself or self replicate. I just dont know what to do anymore man.
take example like this, world after industrial revolution. from agrarian country to industrial country there's so much job gone by factory/manufacture/corporate so change it before late
@@rawrrewind9052 i am in the same situation, i literally cant decide on what field should i follow bc everything is under potential threat of ai
by law it should be illegal to use any copyrighted material as references in the AI art. still, there are a lot of old art and open source stuff, so it will still be very useful to save time for ideas phase of the process. just not be able to make art in the exact likeness of someone who earns today
I talk to people working in AI and the general feel is, "If I didn't someone else would" so there is an ethics but that is to provide cover rather than to effect real change. Every time you use an automated order system at a restaurant, you are using "AI" used to simplify/automate and replace human workers with computer ones. It just is reaching artists but same net result. All you can do is try your best and hope that you survive in this.
I'm fvcking panicking. I just dropped out of my college program to focus on art and now..... I don't know anymore...
I was looking at submissions for a CZcamsr’s dtiys contest, and half the entries were AI 💀
basically poorer people, people doin personal projects are going to be the ones really using AI.
bigger companies, corporations are still going to be using actual artists.
most art jobs are going to be cut down in size, but almost none are going to completely disappear
good video, it was very comprehensive.
tbh, im a little happy I dropped art as a career back in high school and pursued nursing. At least now I don't have to worry about A.I. Art will just be a way to express myself. unfortunately, for others it's not so cut and clear. I really hope things will brighten up for the art community. Personally, Even if a robot make a "flawless art", I really do go to art for the artist. If I know the person who made it, why they made it, and their thought process and how much work they put in and more importantly, how much fun they've had, then I'd follow them. Not some bot who made an art piece by stealing artist's pieces. Head up, artist king/queens!
Edit: Fixing spelling
Hey, I just found your channel today and it's one of the few videos that has helped me calm my nerves around the whole situation. The advice you give in this video is really helpful even if it's all conjecture. I really appreciate the work you put into it :)
I just found my art style now I don't know what to do with it I don't want it stolen
I’m not too worried in the long run because people will eventually prefer man-made art for the same reason we prefer organic food and handmade sweaters, because they’re more authentic 🤷🏾♀️. And in the same vein, man made art will also be more expensive because they will be so coveted for this very reason.
That’s true for people who appreciate art and might want to buy it to show in their homes or to display in a a gallery, but businesses paying artists for commercial projects? That industry is in big trouble. Business is not sentimental.
@@wildist Unfortunately this is true, the market will get smaller and more niche
Im honestly kind of scared of where ai art is going, I think one of the worst part of it is I don't know how to fix this or speak out in any way. It feels so helpless
thank you for your thoughts! I too found the AI Town Hall panels really helpfull and interesting. That you adress the mental health and anxiety side of the discussion was also great.
Thank you so much for this insightful video. It was one of the more grounded videos about AI that I've watched. Being wary, but also knowing what changes we should expect! AND listing out steps to make impactful changes. :)
AI isn't art, it's a production method.
Exactly, like photoshop, gimp, krita, blender, etc. Its a tool for production. What it generates can be art.
Well, machine can move faster, jump higher and hit harder than you ever will be, but sport still exists.