Keep in mind that this was just a tech test, the game is far from being finished and half the features aren't even implemented yet. Initial impressions = Very good!
are you sure its an extraction shooter, i thought since EvE Online has large scale massive battles, this game should benefit from that too not just be an extraction shooter lol
For those asking what things are for or about how there's inly so much to do, remember this was a public test and it's still very much a work in progress.
Imagine being able to launch FPS incursions into peoples ships in EVE without their consent... Someone flying around in their Vexor, unaware that a 64 player fight is taking place on their ship in a different game, when suddenly their screen goes black and their ship explodes because they (the pilot) got shot in the head in Vanguard 😆😆😆
@@RedcoatVikingYTwould be cool, but do not forget that player ships in EvE are only piloted by a single capsule Pilot so there won’t be any kind of crew with the exception of the capsule pilot.
@@RedcoatVikingYT what if they integrate eve vanguard with planetary industry so you can invade some poor guy's planetary industry and loot everything or potentially conquer and take everything for yourself🤔
I'm really excited about this game. I like everything I've seen here but it's hard to comment without knowing what those credits are going to be used for when the game comes out. Assuming we can use them to buy ammo and weapons before loading in then I'll be very happy.
I wish I can play it...but everytime click play it crash so I don't known what's going on. I have the new launcher. My computer is brand new with the latest CPU, 3090 nvidia, 4 terabyte SSD and I have omega.
looks like dust 514 had waaay bigger scope, atleast you had skills etc there. This looks kinda boring, and wtf, why did they introduce a new currency instead of just using ISK.
Since 'isk' is in-universe, they'd likely have trouble keeping the numbers reasonable. "So, you're telling me I can either buy an ENTIRE WARP-CAPABLE DESTROYER, massing 1.5M kg, for 1M ISK... or a scope for this gun." 10K ISK gets you a warp-capable shuttle at least, with pod interface. The numbers would have to be so small as to be laughable.
Additionally ISK is not the only currency in lore anyways, everyday citizens use national currencies for transactions, obviously. A new currency wouldn't be out of place in EVE.
ISK is a supercurrency used only in space. We were joking about it in the Eve Uni discord and someone dug up an official source that said your average household saves up ~10,000 isk worth of currency in an entire GENERATION. So the in-game estimated market value of an EVE Corvette(The ships you get for free to make sure you're never completely unable to play, for anyone unaware) is enough money to retire on groundside if you could liquidate it.
I've seen the game it looks very good but they need to make this free to play with a free to play model. You should not have to buy eve omega to play this or the game will die.
Nah, free to play always brings in hackers and cheaters. Every ftp game out there is rife with cheaters. They need to make it subscription based and track who's playing to stop the majority of cheaters.
People have no issue paying for Tarkov. Why would anyone have an issue with paying for a game that's worth playing? FTP just means a metric fuck-ton of microtransactions.
I'm pretty sure Omega was only required to access this playtest, because it was a playtest. To my knowledge, CCP hasn't talked even a little bit about how Vanguard will be monetized on release.
I'm still sad to not be able to play dust 514 anymore i miss that game. and feel like i was told a lie of project legion that was a upgrade pc version of dust 514.. 2014 bs.. its 2024 and no project legion..
Wait. This is the "replacement" for Dust 514???? Seriously. They killed a great massive player count battlefield game with tanks, fast attack vehicles, and dropships. And, turned it into a Escape from Tarkov knockoff? I've waited years and jumped through the various e-mail hoops, such as "keep your player name". Which, I now regret doing. Where are the inviso Recon suits, the Logi-bros, the mini gun toting heavies? A disappointing "replacement" for Dust 514 in my opinion..
Looks promising, but what really will make or break the game is how they manage to integrate it to eve online. Maps need to be procedural, missions need to be tied to something happening in space, the economy need to be tied to the market. The best way to do it would probably be to tie it to exploration rather than PI and faction war as the game would need to stay accessible (quick play rather than having to deal with heavy meta game stuff).
I completely disagree. I think what will make or break it is if the gameplay is interesting enough for non-EVE fans to want to play it. I think any way they tie it into the space affairs will probably just end up being a neat bonus. Though obviously for us fans of EVE we want to see as interesting of an integration as possible. Just my take though.
@@telezon7206 Riiight. I find pretty insane that you thought you were making a good point by kicking open doors, but sure, also while we are at it let's insist on the fact that the game need to work properly at release and not crash all the time, right? Because that's also very important. So yeah, ofc the game need to be accessible to non eve player (btw, what I said was that the game needed to be tied to Even online events (like say, your Vaguard mission is part of factional warefare, or your loot is sold on the eve market or even the game is something probed by an explo which then sold it on the market), which isn't the same than to say it should require you to be a even player to enjoy it. The point is that this game whole purpose is to expend Eve Online, specifically by making it an approachable entry point for new players to the Eve universe, otherwise it would be a total waste of ressources from CCP.
@@Pers0n97 "Make or break." I do not think EVE integration is make or break. My point was that I don't think the EVE integration is super important to the success of the game. Also, please try to be civil about a low-stakes conversation regarding game design lol. I said I disagreed. Feel free to disagree back without being an asshole.
@@telezon7206 I got your point but apparently mine, which has been laid down in two post already seem to elude you. Treating the eve integration as an after thought that doesn't matter is showing a painful lack of awareness of the videogame market as a whole. Your point basically boild down to a very childish "huuuur make gud game", which is mindnumingly asinine (NO SHIT SHERLOCK), but its pretty clear that you are lacking the most basic and fundamental understanding and knowledge in game-design, the game market and the game industry as a whole to realize that "making a good game" isn't what "make or break" a game in these day and age, ESPECIALLY when you are tackling the most saturated market in the most average and unspecial way Vanguarde does right now. Also, please try to keep your cringy and childish attempt at highroading for yourself, it both makes you look vapid and stupid. I posted a argument based on actual understanding on the videogame market, you made a very uneducated and frankly moronic reply, I responded, you ignored my response to double down with a "huuur it's juss my opinion man" and tried to highroad me. If you aren't adult enough to be able to take any mild language, its a problem on your side not mine.
We’ve kinda known that since before Dust ended. Legion was close but wasn’t Dust, none of the other attempts would’ve been as close as Legion was to Dust either. I’m just hoping there’s enough to capture the old fun of DUST. Would love to see our little cabins and MCCs again.
The ppl who say this is good, weren’t around when Dust 514 was out. Dust 514 was good because it was Eve online mechanics in a first person shooter where you could custom outfit your load out like one does on the ships. Every attempt to make pre-designated class based shooters from CCP is crap. It’s more limited than most FPS shooters out there.
I was around and thought Dust 514 sucked, not least because they released it exclusively on PS3 at the end of its life cycle when their existing audience was on PC, but also because very few of the originally promised integration features just never came to life. Vanguard is so early in development nobody can say for certain what it will be like or whether or not it's any good, so I'll just wait and see! Either way it doesn't really matter, if it's good I'll play it, if it isn't then I won't, as a customer, I can't lose! :)
I didn't try it but I doubt it, at least right now. Most of the game isn't implemented yet and since it's a PC only game gamepads probably aren't a priority.
At least from what is available to play there is really no way to tell is it good or bad. There is litteraly no content besides small map and some npc to shoot. For now it does not look promising.
Well you can get a feel for the core gameplay mechanics, the weapon feel, the movement, the visuals. The core gameplay stuff is there, it just needs to be expanded on, but that's how it is with games that are still being developed. You're basically saying "this unfinished product isn't finished" and saying it doesn't look promising because of it...
Not really. Some fundamental portions of an extraction game are missing. The out of game economy and loadouts are pretty fundamental. What we do see is good. But not nearly enough to judge whether it will have any kind of lasting appeal.
It's not (yet). If It's like EVE it will be awesome when it comes out and then gradually get destroyed by skins and microtransactions over time, but if you can get in during the fun phase it will be good :P
Ive trusted them with my money with dust. Played and bought tons of gear, hoped they would pot to next gen but they sat their ass. Ccp is too slow with updates for console. At least this time theyre leavingnit on oc so thay can have that slow pace they want. But i wnt be joining. I guess the EVE community dnt need the extra players anyways. The fan base seem to be happy keeping the game isolated
just make a new game even online 2 with action 3d gameplay and new server, what are you doing, putting it all in one pot, thats one reasons all the previous eve games where not popular, they tried to make them all connected to 1 old game, where only old day 1 veterans can have fun and power
It was a poor choice for them to make players look so much like NPCs. CCP is up against titles like dark and darker which IMHO is the pinnacle of extraction shooters. They have to step up their game. Also, the ADS glow/outline of targets doesnt make logical sense. We are clearly wearing Augmented reality helmets, and if the hostile imaging system is on the gun the target outlines should be visible all the time as you are always pointing your gun foward.
Keep in mind that this was just a tech test, the game is far from being finished and half the features aren't even implemented yet. Initial impressions = Very good!
are you sure its an extraction shooter, i thought since EvE Online has large scale massive battles, this game should benefit from that too not just be an extraction shooter lol
For those asking what things are for or about how there's inly so much to do, remember this was a public test and it's still very much a work in progress.
I wonder if we can actually have ground based faction wars like they tried to do with Dust 514.
No. Never will
Imagine being able to launch FPS incursions into peoples ships in EVE without their consent... Someone flying around in their Vexor, unaware that a 64 player fight is taking place on their ship in a different game, when suddenly their screen goes black and their ship explodes because they (the pilot) got shot in the head in Vanguard 😆😆😆
@@RedcoatVikingYTwould be cool, but do not forget that player ships in EvE are only piloted by a single capsule Pilot so there won’t be any kind of crew with the exception of the capsule pilot.
@@RedcoatVikingYT what if they integrate eve vanguard with planetary industry so you can invade some poor guy's planetary industry and loot everything or potentially conquer and take everything for yourself🤔
Not enough spreadsheets
I'm really excited about this game. I like everything I've seen here but it's hard to comment without knowing what those credits are going to be used for when the game comes out. Assuming we can use them to buy ammo and weapons before loading in then I'll be very happy.
Yeah very little is known atm, I think it's a couple of years away from release tbh.
I'll double your ammo, whatever you send me I'll send back double 👍
Guy with the pink cosmetic hat is primary, focus fire on primary!
Played dust514; loved it. Play Vanguard; also, love it. Thanks CCP for letting me keep my OG player name.
I agree this game is really good. Servers let us finish the last round got kicked of at 4:14am my time.
I was hoping it’d be more like a sci-fi Arma 3 that was connected to EVE
so is the point to eventually connect this to eve online? because that would be cool. as a separate game idk....
Yes. It's already connected
I was hoping you could make isk and bring it back
This is pre alpha playtest not the full game
I wish I can play it...but everytime click play it crash so I don't known what's going on. I have the new launcher. My computer is brand new with the latest CPU, 3090 nvidia, 4 terabyte SSD and I have omega.
Have you tried reinstalling it? Also you need to let the devs know, that's what the playtest is for :P
I have not been able to play also. 2 tickes and a bug report submitted. They have not respondef
@@mikeparkins6155wow
Why is the money not ISK? It should be ISK, no?
that's my thoughts to, Isk should be the currency if its going to be integrated into the base game
@@edlubitz2968 Speaking of base game, I wonder if orbital fire support from those playing it would be possible
looks like dust 514 had waaay bigger scope, atleast you had skills etc there. This looks kinda boring, and wtf, why did they introduce a new currency instead of just using ISK.
Since 'isk' is in-universe, they'd likely have trouble keeping the numbers reasonable. "So, you're telling me I can either buy an ENTIRE WARP-CAPABLE DESTROYER, massing 1.5M kg, for 1M ISK... or a scope for this gun." 10K ISK gets you a warp-capable shuttle at least, with pod interface. The numbers would have to be so small as to be laughable.
Additionally ISK is not the only currency in lore anyways, everyday citizens use national currencies for transactions, obviously. A new currency wouldn't be out of place in EVE.
ISK is a supercurrency used only in space. We were joking about it in the Eve Uni discord and someone dug up an official source that said your average household saves up ~10,000 isk worth of currency in an entire GENERATION. So the in-game estimated market value of an EVE Corvette(The ships you get for free to make sure you're never completely unable to play, for anyone unaware) is enough money to retire on groundside if you could liquidate it.
I've seen the game it looks very good but they need to make this free to play with a free to play model. You should not have to buy eve omega to play this or the game will die.
Nah, free to play always brings in hackers and cheaters. Every ftp game out there is rife with cheaters. They need to make it subscription based and track who's playing to stop the majority of cheaters.
People have no issue paying for Tarkov. Why would anyone have an issue with paying for a game that's worth playing? FTP just means a metric fuck-ton of microtransactions.
@RX120D I'm not sure that Tarkov was the best example to choose when implying that a one time purchase game reduces cheaters. 😂
I'm pretty sure Omega was only required to access this playtest, because it was a playtest. To my knowledge, CCP hasn't talked even a little bit about how Vanguard will be monetized on release.
I'm still sad to not be able to play dust 514 anymore i miss that game. and feel like i was told a lie of project legion that was a upgrade pc version of dust 514.. 2014 bs.. its 2024 and no project legion..
dead but walking on the spot, reminds me of Dark Age of Camelot
Tis but a flesh wound
Wait. This is the "replacement" for Dust 514????
Seriously.
They killed a great massive player count battlefield game with tanks, fast attack vehicles, and dropships. And, turned it into a Escape from Tarkov knockoff?
I've waited years and jumped through the various e-mail hoops, such as "keep your player name". Which, I now regret doing.
Where are the inviso Recon suits, the Logi-bros, the mini gun toting heavies?
A disappointing "replacement" for Dust 514 in my opinion..
Wish it was on console.
Give it time.
Looks promising, but what really will make or break the game is how they manage to integrate it to eve online.
Maps need to be procedural, missions need to be tied to something happening in space, the economy need to be tied to the market.
The best way to do it would probably be to tie it to exploration rather than PI and faction war as the game would need to stay accessible (quick play rather than having to deal with heavy meta game stuff).
I completely disagree. I think what will make or break it is if the gameplay is interesting enough for non-EVE fans to want to play it. I think any way they tie it into the space affairs will probably just end up being a neat bonus. Though obviously for us fans of EVE we want to see as interesting of an integration as possible.
Just my take though.
@@telezon7206 Riiight.
I find pretty insane that you thought you were making a good point by kicking open doors, but sure, also while we are at it let's insist on the fact that the game need to work properly at release and not crash all the time, right? Because that's also very important.
So yeah, ofc the game need to be accessible to non eve player (btw, what I said was that the game needed to be tied to Even online events (like say, your Vaguard mission is part of factional warefare, or your loot is sold on the eve market or even the game is something probed by an explo which then sold it on the market), which isn't the same than to say it should require you to be a even player to enjoy it.
The point is that this game whole purpose is to expend Eve Online, specifically by making it an approachable entry point for new players to the Eve universe, otherwise it would be a total waste of ressources from CCP.
@@Pers0n97 "Make or break." I do not think EVE integration is make or break. My point was that I don't think the EVE integration is super important to the success of the game.
Also, please try to be civil about a low-stakes conversation regarding game design lol. I said I disagreed. Feel free to disagree back without being an asshole.
@@telezon7206 I got your point but apparently mine, which has been laid down in two post already seem to elude you.
Treating the eve integration as an after thought that doesn't matter is showing a painful lack of awareness of the videogame market as a whole. Your point basically boild down to a very childish "huuuur make gud game", which is mindnumingly asinine (NO SHIT SHERLOCK), but its pretty clear that you are lacking the most basic and fundamental understanding and knowledge in game-design, the game market and the game industry as a whole to realize that "making a good game" isn't what "make or break" a game in these day and age, ESPECIALLY when you are tackling the most saturated market in the most average and unspecial way Vanguarde does right now.
Also, please try to keep your cringy and childish attempt at highroading for yourself, it both makes you look vapid and stupid.
I posted a argument based on actual understanding on the videogame market, you made a very uneducated and frankly moronic reply, I responded, you ignored my response to double down with a "huuur it's juss my opinion man" and tried to highroad me.
If you aren't adult enough to be able to take any mild language, its a problem on your side not mine.
well, seems like dust is never returning. sad face
Believing that eve will follow through on anything is folly.
We’ve kinda known that since before Dust ended. Legion was close but wasn’t Dust, none of the other attempts would’ve been as close as Legion was to Dust either. I’m just hoping there’s enough to capture the old fun of DUST. Would love to see our little cabins and MCCs again.
What about different weapons? Faction warfare? Frontlines ect? What happens when i extract stuff?
Nothing
Right now, nada. Half the game isn't implemented, it's way too early to be talking about progression :P
IF THEY HAVE THE SAME PROGRESSION AS RUST ILL SHIT MY TITS. light medium heavy comando, and then the corps, oh man this is gonna be good
The ppl who say this is good, weren’t around when Dust 514 was out. Dust 514 was good because it was Eve online mechanics in a first person shooter where you could custom outfit your load out like one does on the ships.
Every attempt to make pre-designated class based shooters from CCP is crap. It’s more limited than most FPS shooters out there.
I was around and thought Dust 514 sucked, not least because they released it exclusively on PS3 at the end of its life cycle when their existing audience was on PC, but also because very few of the originally promised integration features just never came to life. Vanguard is so early in development nobody can say for certain what it will be like or whether or not it's any good, so I'll just wait and see! Either way it doesn't really matter, if it's good I'll play it, if it isn't then I won't, as a customer, I can't lose! :)
Can you map out a controller on the Game
I didn't try it but I doubt it, at least right now. Most of the game isn't implemented yet and since it's a PC only game gamepads probably aren't a priority.
At least from what is available to play there is really no way to tell is it good or bad. There is litteraly no content besides small map and some npc to shoot. For now it does not look promising.
Well you can get a feel for the core gameplay mechanics, the weapon feel, the movement, the visuals. The core gameplay stuff is there, it just needs to be expanded on, but that's how it is with games that are still being developed. You're basically saying "this unfinished product isn't finished" and saying it doesn't look promising because of it...
Not really. Some fundamental portions of an extraction game are missing. The out of game economy and loadouts are pretty fundamental. What we do see is good. But not nearly enough to judge whether it will have any kind of lasting appeal.
Wow this game looks amazing
It's not (yet). If It's like EVE it will be awesome when it comes out and then gradually get destroyed by skins and microtransactions over time, but if you can get in during the fun phase it will be good :P
Ive trusted them with my money with dust. Played and bought tons of gear, hoped they would pot to next gen but they sat their ass. Ccp is too slow with updates for console. At least this time theyre leavingnit on oc so thay can have that slow pace they want. But i wnt be joining. I guess the EVE community dnt need the extra players anyways. The fan base seem to be happy keeping the game isolated
I dont like it.
Dust was better.
Hope they change the uniforms. They look so ugly to me!
👍👍👍
I don't understand the hype. It looks like a generic sci-fi shooter to me.
So they are making a worse version of dust great this is a let down.
another extraction looter....no thanks, dust was way better designed as concept this appear pretty bland and quite boring
just make a new game even online 2 with action 3d gameplay and new server, what are you doing, putting it all in one pot, thats one reasons all the previous eve games where not popular, they tried to make them all connected to 1 old game, where only old day 1 veterans can have fun and power
It was a poor choice for them to make players look so much like NPCs. CCP is up against titles like dark and darker which IMHO is the pinnacle of extraction shooters. They have to step up their game.
Also, the ADS glow/outline of targets doesnt make logical sense. We are clearly wearing Augmented reality helmets, and if the hostile imaging system is on the gun the target outlines should be visible all the time as you are always pointing your gun foward.
Are you joking it's shite.