Kawasaki Z900RS SE vs Triumph Speed Twin 1200 - Owner's Retro Motorcycle Showdown 4K
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- One of the most popular questions I get asked is which do I prefer - the Kawasaki Z900 RS or the Triumph Speed Twin. As an owner of both motorcycles I'm in a good position to compare the machines - here's my thoughts on the comparison thus far....
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The 900RS is hands down my favorite bike I've had the pleasure of owning. The triumph is a beauty to be sure, and more true retro, but for me the 900RS is the perfect mix of "neo" and "retro". Drop, dead, gorgeous. Always enjoy your perspectives and presentation!
Thank you - I'm very pleased to hear that!
I just imagine riding the Kawasaki back in time to the summer of 1976. What a beautiful bike.
It is a looker isn’t it…
...Or even the summer of '69🎸🏍😂
I had a Z900 back in ‘77, the older I get the better it was!
Me too! Hehe…..
I wasn’t quite old enough for that so mine was a Z1R that I bought from a geezer down the pub (which you used to do in those days 😂😂). Wonderful engines on the old air cooled big Kawasaki’s.
I love your Saturday morning vids …. You are a genuine guy who gives true reflections on your personal thoughts about bikes (and more)… your enthusiasm is infectious as is the banter you have with your mates… I really do appreciate your efforts mate so thanks again and keep these great treats coming … 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you, Guy, that is a lovely comment - much appreciated!
Wish I could write a comment like that….spot on and my thoughts entirely! 👍🏻
Having ridden both it's the z900rs for me any day of the week. Beautiful to look at and a dream to ride. Two great bikes to choose from.
Great review -as always! Love the relaxed informality, the common sense angle, the honesty, the openess. Thanks Andy.
Wow - thank you very much!
Your reviews have always been clean, crisp and to the point.
I look forward to your comparison of the R9T and the speed twin 1200.
Thank you for the efforts thst you put into making these videos.
I appreciate that!
great review! Thank you; looking at both of these at the moment so very helpful to hear your thorough and well-considered ideas.
My pleasure!
Thank you for this unbiased and enlightening video. An important help for us to understand the differences between these beloved models and for helping us to make the best choice of motorcycle of a lifetime. A big hug from here in Portugal and congratulations on the wonderful bikes.
Best regards ✌️
Cheers and thank you for watching!
Right decision - keep them both and see which you ride more. The engine characteristics are so different that, according to your mood, you will always be certain which one you want to take out. Of course, you always have the utter luxury of the GW for longer trips.
Great vid as ever - will be seriously useful for folks considering a retro. I must also say, now that I am starting to make a few vids myself, that I genuinely appreciate the way you’ve storyboarded and edited this together. Quite remarkable! You’d swear you’d had a whole team round you.
That’s very kind of you to say - actually I was gutted with this one as I failed to notice the camera’s angle of view setting had been changed resulting in those naff on bike shots….sadly I didn’t have time to go back and re-record. The video is still performing well though so just goes to show you don’t need perfect production quality on CZcams…
In Australia I rode the Kawasaki 900RS and it was certainly adequate but handling and weight too much. My 2020 Yamaha XSR900 absolutely blitzes both these bikes. I have far more immediate low down torque & simply never have to exceed 5,000rpm in top gear or else the law gets broken. It also handles far better and sounds amazing. @@TheMissendenFlyer
Fair enough - I loved the ride on the XSR900 but personally can't love the looks of it....
@@TheMissendenFlyerThe different angled shots on the different bikes served visually to delineate which bike you were on at the time, I thought. I assumed it was intentional! :)
Great video as always Andy!
Re the exhaust sound difference, if you keep the original tailpipe on the Z900RS but replace the header pipes with Akrapovic ones, you’ll get the perfect sound including the cracks and burbles👌
That sounds interesting!
@@TheMissendenFlyerit makes all the difference - you won’t regret it! 😉
or delkevic, the only mod this bike needs
Is that because it deletes or modifies the catalytic converter?
Great video again! Had test ride on the Speed Twin 2019 model (1240 on the clock) in Grey like yours. At 5' 6 the Speed Twin is the perfect size bike for me! Very compact for the size of engine/bike. Handles & looks fabulous! The snapy throttle respons in Sport mode was apparent. But not problem. Bought the Speed Twin. Only thing would change are the oem tyres.
I *_love_* my Speed Twin. Z900 reminds me so much of my 91 Zephyr, which again, was an homage to the bike of the 70s. Both absolute beauties.
Many thanks for the video. Top tip. I've got the T120 variant and put it in rain mode when I approach slow traffic. This desensitised the throttle, takes away much of the jerkyness and makes it possible to ride slowly in first and second gear without riding the clutch. Love your videos. I grew up in your neck of the woods and remember hoofing along some of these roads on my RD250E in the late 70's....
Yes, I used to use the rain mode trick on the speed twin before I installed the throttle spacer, it did help somewhat, but I don’t have a problem now. Glad my videos bring back some memories for you!
Great comparison on two beautiful bikes. The only thing I would do I’d get rid of the piss pots on the handlebars. There must be good aftermarket ones available
Very interesting video, well done👍 Haven’t ridden the Z900RS yet, but you’ve kind of confirmed the differences I suspected.
Glad to help!
Interesting thoughts on the pulling power, my Z900RS is happy to ride around in 6th from about 50kmh up, my 1250R with 143nm of torque requires you to use the gear box a lotmore.
Hi Andy, another brilliant and informative video 👍
I said it when you first revealed the Z900 ...... "You are a very lucky boy to have my 2 favourite retro's in your garage 😍"
Enjoy my friend and I'll look forward to to future videos featuring these beauties 😉
All the best
Russ
Cheers Russ - always good to hear from you!
Interesting vid & comparison. Both very nice bikes. You can't go wrong either but the Triumph just seems that bit more classy. Although I know if I had one, I'd be thinking about the other. Unfortunately I can only afford one bike at time but I've always gone between i4's & twins & back agan. You've done it the right way TMF - don't choose, have both!
Thanks Mr Flyer, for a greatly anticipated video on two fantastic bikes. As the owner of various Triumphs over the years, I'm aware of the build quality, but the Kawasaki certainly looks as good.
Hi Andy I’ve just noticed you are on 249k subs good luck when you get the 250k subs well deserved,and I love your presentation on everything you do 👏
Thanks so much for noticing!
Great review! I'm hopefully picking up a Z900rs in the red/gold paint scheme this week after struggling to decide between that and a T120. Your videos have definitely helped and test riding of course! Keen for another video on your RS now to see what accessories and mods you've added. Will be looking for some inspiration in the coming weeks
Good choice of bike Sean, congratulations! Stay tuned for lots more videos on the RS soon.
Thank you! And brilliant to hear more vids incoming...looking forward to seeing them!
Someone else who shares my quandary. Z or T120, still can't decide 🙈
Enjoyed your coverage and the fact of the matter is you own both,, getting a great comparison back to back and the notes 🎶,,, good choice keep them both 😮, from northern Ireland ☘️☘️☘️☘️
Cheers Cecil!
Wow that was a difficult comparison. Each bike is so good in its own way but you handled it like a true professional! Bravo TMF!
Thank you!
Both bikes at top of my list, i think its hard to pick between them without riding both back to back. Not had a go on a speed twin yet. Loved the z900. I do think though, that if you can only have 1 bike in your garage, the z900 would be the better choice/ allrounder , but if you can have more than 1 bike, then you have the speed twin.
I believe that if you had to choose just one bike, it would be the Kawa. We must not forget that the Speed twin has had a new model since 2021, which has greatly improved its chassis with the adoption of a new marzocchi fork and an engine with 17% less inertia and 3 more hp. The fair comparison should be between these two most recent versions and then I don't know if the owner would keep the Kawa as his first option but I believe that maybe even so. I know that you are being compared to the old version of speed because it is the version you have. A big hug to everyone and thank you for this fantastic video, highly enlightening, a great help in understanding the main differences and what is most important to us, what to choose, in a completely impartial way.
This gentleman has on his channel, a comparison between the speed twin he has and the new version from 2021 onwards.
Best regards ✌️
Another great comparison review TMF. Thank you.
Good to hear from you again!
G'day Andy. Great video as per usual brother. Really appreciated your honest views of both bikes, and if it was possible, I would certainly have a triumph in my garage. I should be able to pickup my new Z900RS-SE from my local dealer next week, and I know it will look good beside my 650 Interceptor. If it was possible I would own the Triumph T120 as well. All I need now is to win the Lotto!! LOL. Thanks again for the effort you always put into your videos, much appreciated by us, the viewers. Stay safe, have fun. Cheers.
Thank you Andy - appreciate the kind words!
Enjoyed the review. Both beautiful bikes. No matter what I ride, if I feel happy with a smile at the end of the day, the bike has done its job. Forgetting about the world's problems is a good thing., if only temporary. Enjoy the ride.!!! 👍👍🏍🏍🏍🙋♂️
Here here to that John. Thanks for watching.
As always, another very informative, & 'real world' perspective...
Thank you...
Thank you, Steve.
I love Triumphs and think the speed twin looks amazing. It's just too small. That's why I'd personally go for the kawasaki. Both beautiful bikes though
Yes, I rode the speed twin and thought the same.
It is smaller yes, but you get used to it quickly, and it makes the bike very flickable. Add in all that torque, and its an absolute hoot to ride. I'm 6'1" by the way. And rode my Speed Twin 1800 km from Ontario to Nova Scotia over 3 days and not a problem, bar getting pushed around the highway a bit more due to its smaller size.
I'm smallish myself (5'8") and lightweight. So its the Speed Twin for me.
@@Jack908r Saw few on the streets with riders in LA. Looks terrible in real life. Out of proportions. I am riding Vmax 1200.
Great comparison.
Z900RS for me, it always reminds me of the best GS ever made.
Superb video as always Mr Flyer. I passed by full A license 3 weeks ago and have test ride both of these beautiful bikes. I’m afraid at this stage though, the price and the INSURANCE killed it for me. Instead I managed to get a Triumph Speed Twin 900 chrome - ex demo and fully loaded within my budget. I absolutely love it, built superbly, turns heads and has one of the best standard exhaust notes available. Maybe in a few years I can move up to one of these. Keep up the great videos 🏍️😎
Nice one - and congratulations on getting your licence!
Still a great choice the 900, I passed my test two years ago and found the same with insurance particularly on the Speed twin 1200, it was double when compared to the T120 bonnie. Two years later insurance costs have come down a lot.
You've got yourself the perfect first 'big' bike, loads of torque and enough power to keep you on your toes and the transition to 100bhp bike should be seamless when you and if you trade up.
Another great review, thanks Andy for giving us another entertaining video. After having a break from a lifetime of big in-line fours, I've got back into biking with a Triumph Street Scrambler. Similar to the Speed Twin, just smaller. Its a bundle of joy. I just love the torque, great for pootling about up here in the Highlands. The refinement and quality is great too. The last bike I owned (Busa) just didn't provide any fun under the speed limit. I think your Z900 is gorgeous, I'd have one in my garage for that alone, but every time I went for a run it would be on my Scrambler
I completely get that! I love the scrambler too!
Hi Andy, another great review which I found particularly interesting as I own the gen 2 Speed Twin and absolutely love it, the only other bike that does interest me is the RS.
I’m a bit of a serial bike buyer, and change my bikes quite often, keeping a bike very rarely more than 18 months, but since having the Speed Twin find myself content in most aspects of it.
As I said the only other bike I have an interest in is the RS, but after watching your review maybe less so now.
But I will test ride one, but feel the Speed Twin is here to stay for the foreseeable.
👍
Interesting to note that the Speed Twin (at least for where I live) was also cheaper to insure! Also, after modding the whole air flow system (K&N filter, x-pipe Tec cans), I ended up getting it on a dyno and tuned. What a difference! Jerkiness pretty much gone especially when slow riding (welcome to London, folks!). Cost me around £100 more than the booster plug I originally had fitted but I'd say it's definitely worth it.
Don’t know what tec cans are but my street triple jerks or cuts power upshifting into second with high revs. Sometimes upshifting into third. I’ll consider the air filter and dyno. I prefer the stock exhaust to save some. Glad you fixed yours.
fav vid. loved every minute. thanks so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Andy, apologies not been watching the vids for a bit (shock!) been busy with work.
However I have a 2022 T120 that is (despite the local dealers best efforts) still leaking oil. 🤬
(Anyone else got this issue??)
….So I’m thinking of a change and.. the z900RS is in my sights.
..and I found this video! Which was exactly what I was looking for.
Cheers!! Absolutely perfect!!👍🏻.
And a HappyNew Year when it comes!! 🎉
And to you Colin!
Thanks for the video, Andy, a good one. Love both bikes.
You and me both!
Brilliant! Thx 🙏🏻, I love both bikes & looking forward to own one some day. Rode both already, really difficult choice, my heart is more by the SpeedTwin, it’s smooth & relaxed, but still powerful from the bottom, the sound of the 2 cylinders is awesome. The 900 RS is just a wonderful peace of colour & style, love it too, but to be honest, the 4-cylinders always push further to go fast. Well, that helped a lot to me, will drive them again soon … 👋🏻🌅👍🏻
Great video as always! Looking at buying a new toy next year once we have moved! I like the Z900, love the T120, but I am waiting for your take on the New R12, before I decide! That I do like the look of!
Nice little video their Andy & very open and honest things to say about your retro bikes & for me it's the SE all the way as I think the Triumph needs an update then things may be very different as it long overdue a update!! Anyway onwards and upwards as they say great video as ever TMF!! 👌🏻👍🏻😁
Thanks 👍
Great review ❤ highly appreciated. I wanted to buy a speed twin 1200 in 2021 - i thought my dealer has put me on the wait list. Never heard anything from him, so I ordered the Kawasaki Z900 RS SE in Oct 2021 - the dealer wasn’t able get enough bikes so he cancelled the order in Jan 2022. Eventually I bought a new R NineT in April 2022 because BMW had a new one in the store. Great bike. Happy with it. In Jan2023 i bought my 2nd bike, the Z900 RS SE. Love the sound and the engine. But for longer rides I prefer the R90T. But I will keep the Kawa because it’s something special for me.
Hello, why do you prefer the Bmw r nine t for long journeys?
Thank you.
Best regards ✌️
The torque and the response is simply better and that makes it more fun to ride on country roads. I also love how my R90T Scrambler handles long curves. The bike feels really stable and safe to ride. On the other hand the Kawas throttle response is jerky where the BMWs is very even. That’s s lot more fun. For city rides it’s the opposite. BMWs clutch is harder, and in traffic the Z is more agile due to its more compact size. And the comfort of the suspension of the Kawa is way better.
Thankyou for your comparison!
My pleasure!
Great review many thanks.
My pleasure - thanks for watching!
I just love the two analogue gauges on both!
Me too!
Great review Andy .One question you might add in future reviews is "What kind of riding do each bike inspire you to take ." The 4 may ask for a more aggressive ride or the Twin is a gentleman that goes at whatever pace you set .That sort of thing ..Bikes lend a mood to ones ride .I was thinking of trading my 5 year old Street Scrambler in on a new R Nine T BMW but I am not drawn to that young dog on a leash scenario saying "come on lets go boss ". Your two bikes are ready to do different jobs ...If you do let one go it will be because you are doing more of the one style of riding than the other ..Enjoy discovering which brings YOU more joy ...Thanks for all these years of sharing your rides ...
Thanks for sticking with me!
A great comparison and much the same conclusions that I have between my modified Thruxton R and my brother in law's heavily modified RS. I love the Triumph, but it does take more effort to hustle quickly, but I purposely wanted an involving ride. The Triumph is the nicer specced bike over all I think, but the RS has had the SE spec Ohlins rear shock and front Maxton internals fitted, plus a load of custom upgraded parts including a full Akrapovic exhaust system - which sounds incredible.
Great review. That TVR pic on your garage door, my boss has that exact car he's owned it from new.
Great car the Chimeara - mine was a lovely example....
Interested ting stuff Andy. Pretty clear then that the bikes are very different...which is no surprise lol. Will be very interesting to see which stays in your garage the longest. And welcome back to blighty 😉
Thank you!!
Great comparison - I'm lucky enough to have both an older 865 Bonneville 2012 and a Z900RS 2022 and find the comparisons of the two bike similar to my thoughts. It would be nice to have some after market metal clock sounds etc. to bring the quality upto the Triumph.
Both look great but I agree that the Kwak has the edge. I too fell for the gold wheels! Get mine in a couple of weeks time. Great video as always Andy.
Right on!
I do like your honest reviews.👍
Glad you like them!
Excellent review and gorgeous bikes! Love them... I know either the Triumph or the Kawa would make my day 😊
I wanted just one new bike, my last bike ! So, I went for an orange 23 Speed Twin and since May when I bought her, we have bonded nicely and I love her now. It was one of those or the 900 and as I had an XJR13 moons ago, I was worried it would be too similar. This is my first Triumph and really impressed with it. She will see me out... Enjoy them both you lucky chap.
Love your vids and reviews - I passed my test 2 weeks and got a lovely CBR650R! I'll keep an eye out for ya on my rides (I'm in MK!)
Congratulations and welcome to biking!
Best yet, comparison is important to us. We often like several bikes and it helps to whittle the list. You get to really know. A quick hop -on in a showroom not the same. Flying today very smooth air. Guess what I wanted to be on a bike oddly, a first
Nice video Andy. Thank you as I’m currently considering either. Have test rode both and still can’t decide.
Tricky isn't it!
@@TheMissendenFlyer It is. Coming from a Superbike background I thought it would be team green by a long way. It wasn’t until I rode a mates speed twin years ago that made me fall in love with how effortlessly the big twin got away. My biggest problem is while my CFO appreciates my passion for two wheels, she’s just not wanting a garage full of them. We do however have room for both main cars an 5 bikes. Just can’t fit another two.
Every time i see your 900Rs, or one in the wild, i just want one!!
Great vlog again Andy very entertaining ty, both bikes are gorgeous so good luck deciding which to keep i think your going to struggle not helped by the fact that as you say although both retro they offer different experiences.👍
My plan is to keep them both, as long as something else doesn’t come along that I’d rather have. Which eventually it probably will.
Hi Andy, great comparison and 2 great bikes 👍 Ohlins on my XJR and very nice suspension units. I would go for the 900 overall 😊 safe riding 😊🏍🏁
To me, the Z900rs, is what we would have done, back in the day, if we had the tecnnology.
The suspension etc.
Great video. Both are wonderful motorcycles.
Yes they are!
Both great bikes for sure. I am just too tall for the trumpet, but it was the look of it in Korosi Red that attracted me to it in the first place. The Zed however, fits me perfectly. The colour and styling of it just holds a special place in my heart, as that was the dream bike of my youth, so that's what I went with. I hear the typical comments of "but it's a totally modern bike with a mono shock and radial brakes" all the time, but I know for sure that if it had been possible back then, that would have been an upgrade folks would have done, right after fitting a Kerker 😁They are completely different animals though, both have the typical characteristics of the respective engine configurations and chassis plays a big part in how they handle. What I can say for sure though, I'll be keeping my Zed, to me that's a forever bike. I'll predict that's where you'll end up with them, others will come and go, but both of those will always be tucked up at the back of the garage, waiting on a sunny day 😁
Hi, I’m looking at the twin but worried I’m too tall as well, 6’1.
How tall are you ?
Good review. On looks alone the RS is a stunning looking bike. Ill take that please.
When I was shopping retros a few years back, I narrowed it down to these two bikes. As a longtime Kawi guy, the Z called to me and eventually won but I love the sound of that dam Speed Twin- just intoxicating. Still, the Z was a jewel to look at. I could just sit & stare at it. Not a bad angle to be found. And the stock exhaust sounded great too. For me, it was the perfect memory of a modern UJM.
So sounds like you’ve got rid of it???
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes, but somewhat involuntarily. As a guy who started riding in the mid 70's, I absolutely love UJM style bikes. When the Z900Rs came out, I was riding a '16 FJR1300A because my daughter, who was my riding partner, was very comfortable on that bike.
When she went off to college, I figured her riding days w/me were over and, frankly, the FJR was overkill for most of my riding needs. So, after lusting for 2 years over the Z900Rs, I bought one and modded it into a UJM/ST. Adored that bike. Just beautiful in the green/yellow color combo.
Then about a year later, while on break from school, she asked if we could go ride. 10m on the back of the Z was enough for her. She hated it and was very uncomfortable. I knew the Z had to go.
I was really torn over this but it was more important to me that she could ride w/me, even on those limited occasions, than for me to own the Z. Regretfully, I sold the Z and bought another FJR. Still miss that bike to this damn day. Such a contrast in ride from the FJR to the Z.
Another fantastic review of both bikes .
I had a 2 year old t120 ,the main reason I sold it was because it was too small .
The Kawasaki wins hands down for looks and appeal ability .
Regards
Dave from Scotland
How do you mean small? cramped riding space?
You are correct the Z900RS is a big bike. the Triumphs to me in this range of bike are small.
Nicely done mate
Thanks 👍
Long awaited comparison. Good to know i didn't miss with choosing the SpeedTwin back in 2019. Nothing wrong with Kawa, but for me the styling, fit & finish and low grunt sound of ST is no comparison to Kawasaki.
U sir are so good at what U do !
Thank you very much!
Great review, Andy. I have the red version of the 2019 ST and love it to bits - it’s a keeper! I test rode the Z900 back in 2019 as well - the green cafe racer version. Absolutely amazing bike, but it was the engine and overall fit and finish of the triumph that swung it for me, plus, it just seemed a better thought out, better looking bike. Plus, as you say, the Kwak engine needs to be revved to maximise the performance - which I genuinely thought would loose me my license!! 😂
Great review again 👍
That is the only issue with a four cylinder bike, encourages you to ride like a loony!
I have the same love it 👍
I've still got a z900a4 from 1976 what a bike it was in the day... love the new one but love the triumph rising from the ashes from 1976 to there brilliant bike's of now...
2 cracking bikes. Enjoyed that. Thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
That Z900 is just so beautiful!
Gr8 vid Andy,
heck of a dilemma u hav, keep both? Maybe a bigger bike shed😊😂
Njoy evry ride
Great review … I have a triumph and love it so much my next bike will also be a triumph. I would just echo though my own experience of my local triumph dealership has been so poor that I had to buy my bike form another dealer miles away from home but they have been great fortunately.
You’re lucky to have a choice! Great bikes despite some dealers….
Interesting comparison, I think you made the right choice you bought both!
I think so too!
Great review as usual Andy I have been waiting for this review for a while I have a speed twin 2020 (in red the best colour 🤣)and wondered if I would prefer the z900 for comfort I find the triumph a bit un comfortable after about 1 hour the seat for me is a bit on the hard side and I find the front & rear suspension lacks any compliance over our rubbish roads . I lusted after a z1 in 1976 but couldn’t afford one then a poor apprentice a school mate had one and really wanted one but the best I could do was CB550 F1 which I loved and yes 1976 was the best peril was cheap beer was cheap the music was great life was good no complications oh and petrol was around 88p a gallon not a litre .keep up the good work Andy👍
Thank you for watching Anthony, and for the kind words, much appreciated.
Love the triumph, started watching your channel because you had one. I in turn bought one, but moved on to a retro BMW. Kept the twin thing going.
Which BMW did you get and how do you compare it with the Triumph?
very interesting video, thank you for the share and greetings fron Switzerland
Greetings!
Two absolutely beautiful bikes. Just keep both Andy, life’s to short to chose!
That's the plan!
Great Review ! As the owner of a Z900RS SE and a 2021 new model Speed Twin myself, i have to say i totally agree 100% with all your comments... such a difficult decision to say one is better than the other- they are both great, but in different ways- i find the Triumph the sportier of the two, with an engine that feels seriously quick with all that torque but within a range of speed that is usable on the road...whereas the Z9 is more comfortable and easy going at lower speeds but has the capability to go pretty fast if need be. The added extra's on the SE compared to the standard RS certainly help with the handling and braking- just wish it had better standard tyres.
Glad we concur!
Interesting comparison. I do like the blingy gold and yellow on your Kawaka.
You may remember, I've got a 2019 Speed Twin. Now I'm about 5 foot 11 inches, and I did find my legs being tucked up a bit uncomfortable on longer runs. So I put on some TEC bike parts adjustable foot pegs. On their lowest setting they do make it better, but then the foot pegs don't really line up with the gear or brake pedals. Not a major issue, but it'd be a bit annoying for people who'd want to ride the bike fast. Does affect the ground clearance of the pegs a bit, but with me that's rarely an issue since I'm definitely not a Valentino Rossi, knee down, when going around corners.
Maybe I just need to get a tad higher seat, and put the Triumph pegs back on.
I do love the Speed Twins engine sound, I love it's grunt. However sometimes I am hankering for a multi, but really I'd want a 120 degree triple . I've liked the 4 cylinder bikes I've test rode, but not as much as triples !
If Triumph ever listen to my survey comments and do build a 1 litre triple Speed Twin look-a-like, they could empty my wallet again !
No clue what they could call such a bike because they reused the Trident name a couple of years ago.
Speed Triple , well that's already used. Maybe Thunderbird Triple, but that's a bit of a mouthful !
I currently own an r9t and both bikes you're testing here were also on my considered list, I've got a sneaking suspicion that I might be trading in for one of these two next year.
Yes you need both retro bikes! They both look awesome.
I think so too!
As a Triumph owner and confirmed Triumph fan boy it's an easy choice. I'd have the Kwack in a heartbeat! It is a stunning looking bike, especially in that colour scheme. You are blessed to have such a dilemma.
Couldn't agree more!
Hi! I started following your channel years ago because I was interested in the Speed Twin… well after some savings I ordered mine few days ago. It should come next week!
Congratulations - what colour??
@@TheMissendenFlyerThanks! I was looking for a red one, but my dealer had a brand new grey matt in the shop and made a good offer for it, I also got better then expected for my Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 in exchange. Then it’s gonna be grey 😉
Thanks Andy both on my shopping list I have looked at both but sadly not been able to ride them I know if I did I would have purchased by now what’s holding me back is my current bike is only 3 years old and still under finance still enjoying my current bike. When I started my motorcycle journey back in the seventies it was about getting to work cheaply. Now my riding is for fun and touring holidays. I have looked at lots of bikes but would only consider one bike at a time I have looked at royal enfield but they don’t appear to feel as well built as the triumph or my current Honda. The Z900 would have looked better with twin rear shocks. The triumph just looks like a true retro it’s a T120 or the model you currently have for me.
Love both, for me it’s between the Bonneville Bobber/Speedmaster and the Z900RS. I have chronic pain so I need the truly upright riding position, and less vibration. Owned a 650GS previously and that was way too rough on me.
Thanks for the video, your anecdotes will help me along with my decision.
Glad to help!
Looks great nice colours i have just got a triumph street triple 675r lov it 😊
Good choice!
Can’t go wrong with either, I’ve got the 2019 ST also and love the sound / feel. If could have both I probably would. On a different note, would be great if you could get your hands on the new moto guzzi v100 mandello for a review!
I'm with you, I also think the Kawasaki is the prettier of the two. This well done mix of old school look on modern tech was achieved brilliantly well. I also prefer the smoother four cylinder sound, so from my spectator's point of view, the Kawa is the clear winner. 🤗
Just swapped my bonneville for a bobber, can’t help thinking I should’ve got a z900, never mind 😢😢😢, nice video by the way 👍👍👍👍👍
Nice one Andy. Two superb bikes here. I owned a Speedy. Loved it but swapped it out for an 1200xe. I wanted something more comfortable to tour on. One thing you didn’t mention, cleaning 🧽 I reckon the Kawasaki engine and wheels would be hellish and more time consuming with all that going within the four cylinder unit. I found my ST easy and a pleasure to keep shiny and new.
Yes very good pont - having cleaned both I concur....
It is odd having 2 retros, but you have 3, including your 18k Enfield! You must love 'em!
I do indeed Michael. Thank you for watching.
Thanks Andy - nice vid. In line 4s are not for me as they lack character being so smooth. On the Triumph, you know you're on a motorcycle! But of course - that's just me! Others I know love that smoothness. I'd go for the Triumph out of these two but actually went for its close relative - the Speedmaster, mainly for its (for me) comfortable riding position. It also sounds absolutely glorious!
Exactly comparison and exactly the points I was looking for . Thank you . I will probably buy the T Speed Twin now.
Glad I could help!
@@TheMissendenFlyer very well done . I subscribed to you wonderful channel.
Very kind of you to say so - appreciate that!
Your small print is a giggle. Thanks as ever.
Nice pausing skills.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Took a few tries!
Nice video, thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Speed Twin for me all day. Test ride them both back to to back. Both 2023 models, and the non-SE kawa. I’m 1.87cm tall so really thought the kawa would be mine, but no rode away on the Triumph in the fantastically handsome red❤
Really good review. I also own both, a 2020 RS and a 2022 Speed Twin. I agree with pretty much everything you said. They are both excellent modern bikes with classic styling but with very different character.
I've had the suspension professionally upgraded on both because they both needed it and they now fly through corners with no fuss. I've had the Kawasaki remapped because it felt strangled trying to go over 5-6000 revs and I've put Road 5s on both.
They are both amazing fun to ride but I think the Kawasaki has the edge when it comes to practicality and capability. That's the one I take on longer rides because it just feels more capable and comfortable. I could sit on it all day.
Which one I take out just depends on my mood and which 'engine music' I want to listen to while I ride.
Glad we concur - and agree with your selection criteria! Is your Kwak the SE??
👍No, mine is the older standard model with no Ohlins @@TheMissendenFlyer
As a Zephyr owner (Zed 900's always been too vintage to afford), I went an all-yellow paintscheme simply as a visibility thing. Been hit three times on grey/silver machines, never on old yeller!