My African Grey Started Feather Plucking! Why + How I Stopped It
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- An update on my African grey who started plucking her feathers several months ago. I talk about what caused it and how I got her to break the habit! I hope some of you can find this info helpful (:
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I rescued an African Grey who would pluck and like you I did EVERYTHING I could think of. Nothing worked. Finally I read this article from like back in the 90’s about how African Greys especially are prone to plucking if not bathed at least 4 times a week because they come from a rain forest that gets down pour a couple days a week. I bought this mister that hairdressers use where you pump it with your hand once and it continually sprays super fine mist. I started doing that everyday for two weeks and then went down to just three or four days a week and my rescue stopped plucking.
My other greys love this mister as well. Apparently African Greys cannot fully remove the sheath of their feathers without more water than many other species (because they are so dry from the dust they produce). If the sheath is having a hard time being removed they itch and pluck.
I just wanted to comment in case Gypsy just needs more mist in her life.
I love your videos. ❤️🙏
I was bathing them before just to be clear, but I was using this large plant mister that was super hard to pump and I was only bathing them once a week or once every other week.
holy shiii- your so cute
Thank you for sharing that.
Thank you for sharing! This is important, I’ll try it with my Grey who is plucking too!
Agree and they don't pluck wet feathers.
I’m kinda vibing the bananas in the back tbh
Thank u 🍌
Bananas!!
Your transparency is admirable. You're a great pet parent. We all know that.
I used this on my cockatiel! It was a total lifesaver. He got stepped on and then lost feathers from stress. This honestly helped so much.
I’m glad he’s doing better 😭
THAT POOR BABY I WANT TO GO TO THE PERSON WHO STEPPED ON THEMS HOUSE AND SNAP THEIR KNEECAPS LIKE A SOUR CREAM AND ONION PRINGLE
TrixxTheJackalope It could’ve been an accident. My cockatiel is very tiny and loves to chill on the floor, there’s definitely been a few times that I’ve accidentally stepped on her haha
(Don’t worry, she’s perfectly safe, now I pay more attention to where I step)
African grey r very hard to own they need a lot of attention out door aviary to keep them busy n foraging, I do ms ur sun conure mangoes he was my highlight of my day so bright n colorful look cheery. Best luck to ur gypsy.
Yay! Bird content! I appreciate you being upfront about all the different scenarios that may have lead to a solution. Well, either way I'm glad Gipsy is okay!
Great explanation, and it’s good to see you back with some more bird info. Keep working hard
My literal inspiration for my channel! Love the vids Tyler!
Thank you!
I'm so glad to see that she is doing better! I am really glad to have these tips in case my green cheek ever decides to!!
Fantastic video my friend! So nice to see the progress and thanks for being so open and relatable. People usually want to hide these sort of challenges and I commend you for sharing and supporting your bird keeping community! ☺️👍🏼
Aw I’m so glad she is doing better!! ♥️
your channel is by far one of the most underrated channels your videos are so interesting u deserve more views
Just saw an ad for Zen habitats ! Congrats on being in it that must have been really cool
You are so educational and also a great birb dad! ❤️ cant wait for more birb content!
im so glad shes okay! i love that bird
Hi Pet Parrot Lovers,
Our male Eclectus (Mambo) has been living with us for 20 years now (Australia).
We hope this feedback "Comment" helps other pet parrot owners, as this is why and how we have had no difficulty with Mambo 🦜plucking his feathers:
1) Early in Mambo being our young, hand-raised, tame pet parrot family member we noticed that Mambo would intentionally bath itself when given its morning fresh clean drinking water 💦 (fresh water also given late afternoon before his tea), but he would choose to bathe himself only once weekly, and would also get our attention too!
2) We early read that the Eclectus parrots' original natural habitat is the Tropical Rain Forests of North Queensland and the Tropical Highland Rainforests of PNG (Papua New Guinea), & some of the tropical Pacific Islands. That’s when we thought that they would live with showers of rain 🌧 in their original tropical rainforest habitat, and we put this together with Eclectus’s also being a very high DANDER bird that Mambo would probably enjoy, at his chosen time to bath, with us also giving him a gentle shower spray with an indoor pot plants water 💦 spray bottle. Well yes indeed! Mambo LOVES his weekly bath 🛁 plus light water-spray shower all over and under his body -- he even spreads his wings wide so we can spray under both his wings and both sides of his chest. Mambo prefers this weekly wash in the morning, and he happily chats away after his bath and water spray.
So pet parrot lovers, our take on why Eclectus parrots 🦜 (& some other parrots too!) have a reputation for being feather-pluckers is NOT necessarily a nervousness condition, nor consequent to a health issue or boredom either, but rather with their high dander skin-replacing body, the build-up of dander becomes irritating to them. Thus the scratching and pecking at their irritated skin (with feathers coming out while trying to relieve themselves of the dander skin irritation) is why parrots understandably scratch & peck their skin.
I would be scratching my skin too if I didn't shower daily, and I don't even have a high-dander skin!🤗 And yes, the stress-factor to the parrot with the DANDER irritation can understandably impact their general health and wellbeing, and happiness!
This DANDER skin irritation probably adds to bad behaviour, like screeching, etcetera.
We have 3 pet parrots, and they have never had the problem of plucking feathers.
They all live indoors in our home with us to keep them safe from outside predators (snakes, rats, and predatory birds - e.g. Butcher Birds, Magpies). I have had pet birds most of my 70 year life - and approximately 100 racing pigeons as a young teenager and belonged in the latter 1960’s to the Brisbane QLD Racing Pigeon Federation (the best I got was a 3rd place 🥉 in a long distance pigeon race back to their loved home lofts -- birds love an easy resort-lifestyle and security).
Enjoy wonderful pet birds, as they love human company too!
Cheers, Garzo 🎶🦜
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I'm so glad shes doing better 🥺 and as for more bird content you could literally just post a video of them hanging out with you for an hour and I would watch all of it
I instantly thought of Snake Discovery’s macaw when I saw this video. Iirc, theirs was neglected from the previous owner and is now a severe plucker out of habit. Wonder if they’ve tried this? I’m glad you were able to fix the issue though!
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Me too! I love Cheyenne 😭😭😭😭
Emily talks a bit about Cheyennes plucking in the video she just posted bout taking her to the new facility!
Yeah I kinda wish I could tell her about this stuff. If it really is a mirical product then maybe it will work for Cheyenne
Even if this product makes cheyanne stop plucking she will still be bald. Cheyanne has plucked so much to the point that her follicles won’t grow new feathers. Cheyanne likely appears to be a more avid plucker than she really is because of her follicles being basically dead from plucking for so long.Would be great if this worked though! I have a plucker myself who was previously neglected and abused by his old owners :) i ordered this for mine, i’ll try anything once
Thank you for posting this. I’m bringing home my white-bellied caique baby in a couple of months and for me, knowledge of what’s to come helps with all the overwhelming info there is out there! 👏🏻😁
This is excellent and very insightful. Thank you for sharing.
thank you for sharing! there’s so much shame surrounding feather plucking, the sad thing is that it is so common in captivity. talking about it is so important 🙏🙏 my rehab CAG is dealing with it still, but the good new that it does become better when treated.
Yes! More bird content! I just have to be careful when I see a video from you as I am traumatised from geckos. I’m glad Gypsy is doing better! My Grey just started doing this when we got a new pet in the house, so this comes handy!
This was so very helpful!! My eclectus began plucking a few weeks ago and my stress level has been so high because of it. I got Harry when he was 9 months old and he's now 23 and has never had a health problem and I felt it must be some external stressor, but I did what you did, tons of research--dizzying to get all of that. Learned a lot but no real answer. I have moved often for work and even overseas and he's not shown any stress in those times. Now we've been here in this house a year and all is peaceful so I kept trying to figure what could possibly, and so suddenly, be bothering him. It is really so hard to witness and I did what you did, too, adding toys, figuring out foraging tools, trying to keep him busy and distracted. Then it occurred to me--we've always lived in places where heating is uneven and almost always by radiators that worked intermittently. I wore sweaters but Harry often flew into the coldest room and spent time there easily by choice. But three months ago the landlady for this old Victorian had a new, very efficient heating boiler installed. I turned the heat on in November and loved it--a real change in my comfort zone. Two weeks later Harry began the plucking, and in same places you mentioned for your African Grey. I realized a few days ago the new heater is absolutely the only change in his life environment. I got a monitor and the humidity levels were way down. Parrots need between 40 and 60% humidity and the rooms were at half that or less. Two days ago I got a cool mist humidifier and he seems so much calmer and God willing the plucking has become less--when I took off his cage cover this morning there were no bitten feathers on the floor of it. Relief doesn't describe the feeling of gratitude. He has a way to go--he has that same ruff of down feathers around his neck and some chest feathers gone , and the idea it might take a year for the full feathers to return is hard to think about, but if this increase in humidity levels continues to make a difference, well, just too fine that feels. Not to mention, I started spraying a mist on him several times a day,. Anyway, a long-winded way of saying your video matched my experience so much and that was so comforting and now I hope to see him stop altogether. I'll get that King's Cages bottle, too, for sure. Thank you. Such a gracious and helpful video.
loved this and her acrobats!
Yay excited for bird content my mom just got budgies she adores them and needs more videos on birds!!❤️❤️
I want budgies 😭 theyre so cute, every time I'm in the pet store I'm like uuuughhjh but I don't have the space for a good sized cage. Maybe some day... (also I wouldn't get them from a pet store if I did)
Looking forward to more bird videos. I’d like to see your cage cleaning routine. Any behavior videos, play time and how your birds interact with each other would be of interest. Thanks for producing valuable content that is fun and entertaining at the same time.
I love your bird sm!
We don't have birds because our lifestyle doesn't allow for it, but we (my 2 yr old and I) love seeing your birds (even if he calls them chickens 😂). I'm so happy we'll be seeing more of them in your videos! ❤️
Very honest video. Thank you for sharing
Glad Gypsy is doing better!
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I’m so glad to have found this video! I could have totally made this video myself, sounds EXACTLY like our situation and how I’ve been feeling! We also moved, he didn’t appear stressed but started chewing his wing and tail feathers off! He’ll let them all grow back then randomly just chew them off again! This time though appears to be worse than ever before! I’m going to buy this today! Thank you so much!!
Glad she's doing better 😊💞💞😘
My African grey also does the fire alarm and the house alarm 🤣 and both of my dogs barking at the same time. I’m glad you fixed the problem!
Thank you Tyler. She is very pretty.
She is so cute lol i love gizmo so much i cant wait for more bird content!!
Thank you for this upload, I'm about to adopt a African grey that plucks and I definitely need the research and tools to help my soon to be feather baby out
Thanks a million for this video! My little African parrot needed the help of Pluck No More and Rainforest Mist Feather Shine to relieve a bit of itching and plucking. She has improved greatly and on the way to 100% back to normal. A friend sent me your video and I want you to know how much I appreciate you sharing this information. The vet would not have told me this. ;-)
love how u reply to most of the comments
respect ✊🏼
Glad she’s doing better! That’s crazy that it takes so long for the exterior feathers to grow back. It seems like that would be a huge detriment in the wild if a bird lost feathers to something
Awww poor thing! I love parrots, good thing your so careful
Thank you for recognizing it’s a habit as well! I rescued a naked parrot and people always tell me he’s not happy! Ik he is bc he does it when he’s preening and over preens!
This vid is very helpful! This vid might help me in the long run since I'm currently doing my basic research about a bird and what they really need for the past few months, cuz I'm a little unsure of what to do with a pet that might become my life long companion and there's that fact that they're SO different from reptiles (well I only have reptiles as a pet so I'm not sure wether I'd like to just have a parrot without intense research of that many possibilities that might occur in the long run)
So glad she's doing well ❤ i think a great video would be why gifting birds is a bad idea (the holiday season is coming). Its a good opportunity to address the option of rescuing
Happy for you that Gypsy is feeling better! With my Goffin, I've tried avicalm, pluck no more, feather fast, ect. None of them worked for me, it's now a habit for Cheeky unfortunately. I caught it early and went to the vet too, spending thousands of dollars but never found out why she plucks. Cheeky's feathers also don't have the protective layer to keep oils off of them now from her plucking. Cone didn't work for us either, Cheeky actually acted psycho and threw herself against the walls of her cage in a frenzy so she couldn't wear it for safety reasons. It's so hard as a parront not blaming yourself when they pluck, I am always guilty because the bird community has a lot of toxic people that pick apart every thing you do.
I would love a video about tips for homemade products for cleaning a bird's cage.
I'm so glad she's okay now! She's a gorgeous and silly bird, I love her
@victoria kirylow I'll see if there's something similar where I live. Thank you!!
I love your video so much
love your vids! and so does my bird! haha he always chips loud when he hears ur voice!
Stop keeping birds in captivity let him live free in ur house
I grew up with a Senegal and Meyers that started plucking because my family moved 3 times so I could definitely see that as a possible reason why Gypsy started FDB. It's very encouraging though that she turned a corner and stopped:))).
Great video! I am going to try Pluck no more again. I used it several years ago on my AG and it worked for awhile. She started plucking again so I stopped using it after spending more than $500 on the product. I don’t mind spending the money if it works. Tried Avi Calm too, that seemed to work for a time but again, started plucking. Went to the vet, all normal. Have done just about everything that you tried. I am happy for you that you had some success. Hope it lasts.
Can you make more pet peeve videos I feel everything you’re saying and I find it super entertaining
I am glad to watch this. I am going to try this product. I have twenty year old bare eyed cockatoo who started plucking. She started after her BFF our rainbow lorikeet died. They grew back after awhile. Then I had to move and share a place with roommates. One who I later found out would bang on her cage and scream at her. I kicked him out when I found out. She is now a happy bird but she stills plucks out of habit. It is hard as bird mom to know that your bird got stressed enough to pluck
Maybe look into cbd oil also. It has helped for my macaw
Bird content ideas: would you ever pay for freeflying lessons with your birds, why or why not? Do you clicker train or have Generalized training sessions with your birds, if so what's your routine? Do you think every other pellet is crap if it's not cold pressed? (My bird is on Roudybush which I thought was good enough but some people say it's still crap). Do you clip your birds, how do you feel about clipping for safety (is that bs or smart)? How do you deal with hormones and your birds? Where do you pet them/ do you ever cuddle them?
Thanks for the video and the tips! Three of five of my birds are plucking. Maybe they are learning it from each other.
I tried this once before. As a person with a full time job being out of the house ten hours a day during the week, I found it very difficult to spray them three to four times a day so I gave up on it. Plus my birds don't like spray bottles. Not sure how to get them used to it without it being traumatic. Most of my birds prefer the shower but my cockatoo just doesn't like getting wet at all.
She's one of the ones with a problem. Her plucking started with a trauma when the first floor of my house started filling with smoke and I had to evacuate the birds quickly. A few days later she mutilated herself and hasn't been the same since.
She wears one of those collars but it doesn't keep her from reaching everything. She is able to eat and get around ok with the one I got for her but I wish we could go back to before she was plucking.
Gypsy's attitude is all i needed today 😂
Definitely going to buy it my parakeet started to pluck
I live for Gypsy's chaotic energy. She also looks like she has one of those feather boas on lol
We rescued two African greys and they barely have feathers and they were also very neglected because their nails are super super long but we’re taking them to the vet and they’re getting the nails cut as well on Monday
I've just been through the process to adopt a beautiful grey and I'm excited but I'm really nervous, I'm hoping that all i provide is enough for her ❤ expense isn't my worry but her happiness is everything to me.
I was wandering the same about my bird. want her to be happy, gave her lots of love and attention and her feathers grew back
Im in South Africa. Hope this product can still be available to bird owners in South Africa. Gonna try get it.
Your african gray is really cute
I think it would be fun bird content to see you try some training tricks from BirdTricks (on youtube). they usually start people out with target training.
Thank you for this video. My sweet Fernando, our African Grey, didn't start plucking until we lost my sweet baby girl, my Sun Conure, Oriana. We had her for 24 years and him 22 (since they were both 6 months old) so he's only known life with her in it. He's only known life with her cage next to him both at home and in boarding. I tried chamomile tea in his water to calm him. I know he felt my anguish over her loss. He saw her pass because we were all in her same room when it happened. He saw her leave and never come back and had some separation anxiety with his daddybird, who is is person, days and weeks after. He couldn't even go to take the trash out without him thinking he wouldn't come back. He does a pigeon whistle my hubby taught him and waits for hubby to do it back. As far as moving, they are so used to moving back and forth, being in the car that this has never phased them but I know they are definitely prone to being anxious with new environments. I'm so glad you did your work and tried to find out. Not everyone knows how to take care of birds so they give up on them and bring them back. Thank you.
My Quaker just recently started plucking because I was busy with work one week and wasn't holding her as much as I usually do... (I think that's the reason but I'm not sure)
so hopefully this works because the only other options I have is a bird sweater or cone
Thank you sooo much I used this on my cockatoo. I had that cockatoo since I was 10 years old and now I am 28 I would be sooo sad if something bad happened to him
Thanks for the video I will try it I have one bird that plucks and now my other bird is doing it as well I’ve tried a lot of things online I will try this one and see what happens thanks again
At what point do you stop using the pluck no more? And since you have stopped using it, has Gypsy shown any signs of regression? Have a great day! 💛
I love greys
Ive seen some birds start plucking because underlining bacterial infections too.
Bro I am from India watching at morning 😊😊
Tyler could you please give an update? Are you still using pluck no more? Do you have an understanding of ingredients and how it actually works? I do understand calming to them. Is it also shooting to the skin?
Did Gypsy start by over-preening, which led to plucking? My 4yo female Greater Sulphur-Crested Cockatoo is over-preening. She gets a bath at least twice/week, and the vet said she is healthy but over-preening could be related to hormones.
👍 Good!
My African grey had lots of exercise, we whistled together, I worked at home and we played and laughed together, but he plucked. Spray often. If they have a full 10 hours of sleep, that will help their immunity in general and mood. Mine wanted to stay up with me and I should not have let him. Honestly your grey's plucking doesn't look that bad, but I know you want to stop it in its tracks. You're on the case I can tell!! The hormonal thing is so true. Can you put her in sunshine for part of the warm days, using a day cage or smaller cage? Mine loved that and he could mimic the Northern geese sounds.
My Dusky Conure plucks spring then. Middle of fall. Then my sister passed away. I moved to a new condo. Made a bird room she plucked so bad she could not fly
I'm going to try the no pluck. She is a strange bird too.
I've seen several of your clips and love them. Is cleaning the African Grey's dust in your home a big chore? Should I get a different bird like your Severe Macaw or Sun Conure?
Snake discovery needs this product
That’s so annoying hoping for something wrong with her but not wanting anything wrong she has nothing wrong so you’re back to square one. 😂
Hey Tyler!
Hello
i just started clip her wing and since two days she started plucking i hope she will stop
My Grey also plucks and i have noticed that no medicines work. I have tried everything. What really works is giving them a bath, with a hand shower. At least twice a week. In the summer you bath them more often. They also feel miserable when their skin and feathers are dirty.
Greys love music. They love beat box, and nursary rhymes and they love to dance and sing. My grey loves to sing. Each month i teach him a new beat and a new song and whenever he starts plucking, i start singing to him and he will join in and sing and dance and he will forget about the plucking. Music calms them and somehow it is a way to break the plucking habit.
My grey was naked. He chewed all his wing feathers and tail feathers off, he mutilated himself and he was ugly.
Untill i tried this method. All his feathers grew back in 3 months. Each time he plucks, i sing. He is starting to love his shower and he feels and looks great after a bath.
Keep their minds occupied with something interesting like sing and dance. They will still pluck, but giving them alot of TLC, and by taking them out of their cage to explore and to get them to know you better. I still give him his multivitamins and his fruit and vegetables, sometimes he eats it, and sometimes he dont.
But what really helped the most was the bathing and singing.
My bird started plucking and would not stop to the point were the skin would bleed but we had it for 5 months before it started to pluck so we could not solve it so we found someone who has solved rare bird picking problem. The bird ok now.
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So Cute
Do you think this could help for just unhealthy looking feathers?
My Quaker does
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I was just given my husband's dad's gray when he passed I've known the bird 10 years and she has only ever had her tail feathers and head I'm trying so hard I think alot is just habit now she was always ignored yelled at sat in a cage next to a loud TV had 3 dogs running around was fed poorly and the smoked non stop in the same room as her andim trying so hard but it's like nail biting for us such a hard habit to break. I am one of the only people the bird will come to willingly and she let's me touch her but even with the calmer situation at my home she still seem so stressed she's 32 years old and I've had her a few days now I'm going to take her to a vet cause I'm sure she has calcium deficiency due to her poor diet before I love this bird and want to see her with her beautiful feathers for a change
How do you even take care of all of your pets and still have time to do stuff
How do get this for my Africa grey . My bird plucking is doing this and I talk to Rio all the time
What happened to mango??
Will there be an update on the water snake? Just curious abt her.
Hi! I have just seen your video and I am facing the same issue with my parrot from the middle July until now. Although my situation is more complicated, because my bird has traumatized himself. However I've been to a doctor I have made exams just to be sure and eventually I have put on him a colar which until now he has used to it and that because his wearing almost 2 weeks.
However, I would like to ask you in how many days did you see results by using the "pluck no more"? And which way you used it? By putting it in the water or in his bath time? I'm asking because now his wearing a colar and the bath is not a good option for him and me.. Xaxa!
Thank you!
Can you do a video about whether or not birds are affectionate? I'm thinking if a bird might be the right pet for me..
Hi what big bird do you recommend I'm planning on getting a bird I've had birds before.
If you don't KNOW what bird is for you, DON'T get a bird. Do a year worth of research about parrots before deciding to get one. They have to be the CENTER of your world FOREVER. Don't impulse buy a "bird" do your research & then decide. When you do more research, Volunteer at an avian rescue & adopt a bird that picks you. Old saying, "you don't pick thr bird, the bird picks you" They are such intelligent, majestic & sensitive little souls.
1) Volunteer
2) Do your research
3) Let the bird pick you
4) Adopt, dont shop.
Hope this helps. 💕👍
Link to website please?
I just want to know how you can get your bird to drink that whole amount of water? 8oz per day?! My African Grey is been plucking for over a year now, I tried the ‘pluck no more’ in her water, but she would probably only consume 5%! Help please!
I've been in the avian field now for the better part of 30yrs. Having "hands on" experience with everything from Warblers to Birds of Prey. I have also owned many different species of parrots over the years. And currently own a Senegal, Jardines, Crimson Bellied Conure, Black Capped Conure, & Alexandrine parrot. My Sennie plucks and just like yourself it's ALWAYS a mystery figuring out what is triggering it. 9 out 10 times it's nutritional more than behavioral at least in my experiences. I always try and tell folks start with what you did a visit too a GOOD and i mean GOOD reputable avian vet who knows what their doing. That way you can rule out any thing like Giardia or PBFD through bloodwork etc...Then you move onto the next thing in "the pyramid" as i call it. Which would be nutritional an all seed diet is a BIG NO NO...!!! My birds get a mix of Harrisons, Roudybush, Zupreem Fruit, & Lafeber pellets each texture and taste for them is different which is why i offer so many different choices. Then i supplement that with Higgins Conure NON-SUNFLOWER seed diet. Along with fresh fruits and veggies. You might also want too try what i offer which is red palm oil which can be added to a fresh fruit and veggie mash. The dende red palm oil is EXCELLENT for their feathers having LOTS of beta carotene for good feather pigmentation and luster. I also spray mist my "fids" with a mix of Colloidal Silver and water. It's a natural antibiotic that can "POTENTIALLY" rid them of anything like feather cysts or mites. You can even put it in their drinking water too help with anything they may have parasitic wise going on internally. Plucking is often more distressing for the owner then it is for the bird that is if it's in a mild stage. However, never give up on your bird because it's bound too be one of 3 major things. Physical, behavioral, or hormonal. Once you know whats causing it and it could be something you even overlooked or tried already. The rest is easy too solve and prevent from re-occurring. Best of luck with your bird.
Hey guys quick thing- The bird’s name (g-word) is a slur against Romani/Roma people. Just thought I should put that out there bc a lot of people don’t know, and it’s important not to use it
She had the name before I rescued her and I have Romani viewers who have told me the term is only offensive in certain context and as a name they don’t find it offensive. I appreciate you pointing this out though! I probably wouldn’t have named her it to begin with but she responds to the name and since my followers who would be effected by it informed me they don’t take offense to it being used as a name I don’t think there’s an issue 😅
How old are your birds? Sorry if you've already answered it somewhere else i was just wondering.
Where’s the before pictures of her????