How The Taylor Hall For Adam Larsson Trade Is Still Evolving Today | NHL Trade Trees
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Steve Dangle takes a look back at one of the biggest trades in recent memory, the Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson swap between the Oilers and Devils. How did it work out for each team?
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Do the Trevor Linden trade from the Canucks to the Islanders. It had a pretty crazy series of events that led to the Canucks obtaining multiple great players.
Let's not
@@BHG771 Just be glad I didn't name any of the other terrible trades the Islander's made in the 90's.
@@Wezzee7 oh no trust me. The Kirk Muller trade is the worst. We all know that.
The trade that netted the Canucks arguably their best player for one era, then half of their best duo in franchise history (which wouldn't have worked without both of them), their best goalie in franchise history and then their perennial starter after said best goalie in franchise history left...
... and Canucks fans would still say they have mixed feelings about it because of how bad it hurt at the time.
@@BHG771 They gave the Canucks Bertuzzi, Daniel Sedin, Luongo, and Markstrom... Hard to top that.
As a Devils fans, I'll always be eternally grateful to Hall. Not only did he give us the most exciting season of any position player in Devils history, he brought back an absolute haul for a guy who was going to bolt anyways.
IDK who I should thank more, Hall or Chayka
I'll always have a soft spot for Taylor Hall on the Devils, regardless of how it ended.
Dawson Mercer looks like a stud. Thanks Chayka lol
@@666kingdrummer I kinda figured from the day he was traded here that he'd never be here long term. I think he said something along the lines of "I'm going to do my 4 years there and then we'll see what happens". Like getting traded to Jersey was a prison sentence lol.
He's a nice fit in Boston, but his MVP season was definitely the best player he ever will be, so glad we didnt overpay for that. Even though he'd be a nice fit with the young talent the team has now.
It was great to see a Devil win the Hart Trophy. That was a great year for the Devils.
P.K. Subban was traded for Shea Weber on the same day.
One of the most shocking moments in the history of the game
That would be crazy if he made a feature-length film about that day because it also involves Stamkos.
@@jasondashney that same hour, all 3 transactions within one hour
"one of the most shocking moments in the history of the game" relax there Mr. hyperbole
@@philipbrougham6583 I can think of exactly where I was when I heard the news of those 2 trades. It was league shaking and crazy
@@philipbrougham6583 It's Top 5000 at least.
Mercer alone has made the trade worth it so far, but with the additions of Bahl and Siegenthaler, it's an obvious landslide win for New Jersey.
Dawson Mercer is going to tear havoc on teams in the future
Watching him play this preseason, and he very well could singlehandedly solidify this trade tree in favor of the Devils. Kid looks fantastic out there, very impressed. Devils gonna be a very underrated young squad this season.
@@Xerxsion I really hope so
@Dasher the cat 46 between Dawson Mercer, Alex Newhook, and Zach Dean there’s a few good Newfoundlanders coming through the system now again. Loves to see it
Have you ever done the Trevor Linden to NYI trade? It's quite the tree.
As an Oilers fan, I never understood the animosity against either Hall or Larsson. Both are good players at what their game is, and it's not like either of them were the ones that pulled the trigger on this deal. Right now, I'd happily take either player.
The hate for Hall, whether it was justified or not, was because of his excessive partying(doing blow), his arrogance towards the veterans/management on the team. He was known as a toxic player.
He has definitely outgrown that description, but people need to remember why there was hate in the first place.
@@Jabokrazy this is one of the few trades I'll give PC a pass for. People rip on this deal but it didn't happen in a vacuum. No other team gave up a package bigger than New Jersey. Ask yourselves why. This deal did not take place in a secret underground lair. Nobody else gave a better package and apparently the Oilers tried to grind New Jersey into getting a bit more and they just flat out said no. That happens for a reason. Even if you didn't know that Taylor had some extremely bad off ice habits, you had to give some thought to a deal that lopsided and wonder why it happened. Don't forget, there's no chance he was traded without the owner being in on it. You think Katz wanted to lose a healthy, happy, well adjusted Taylor Hall?
@@jasondashney Well if we’re gonna take a look at Peter Chiarelli’s trade history and history of overpaying players, the best explanation is that he’s simply a bad negotiator.
@@Jabokrazy How do you know any of that is true?
@@HoweyJR_ I don't but it doesnt matter, because that was the perception in Edmonton and around the league, and perception goes a long way into how players are dealt.
In all you said about Taylor Hall you forgot one very important asset he added to all his teams: Instant Draft-Lotterie win as soon as he joins. Well, except from the Bruins :D
As a devils fan, I'll always love Taylor Hall. 2018 was magical
I certainly hope he’s talking about the Jordan Staal trade tree, one of the most fascinating moments in draft day history. The parts that should’ve worked out didn’t. And many trades later, it’s got many aspects that affect both teams today.
Awesome trade but I'm with Steve a bit early. Also Mercer is looking like a stud in camp
Extremely sad we lost Larsson to Seattle :(
His father passing while on a trip to Edmonton played a large part in the decision to move on, as well as the discussed scrutiny as a result of this trade. Both of those are totally fair reasons to move on, but I'll miss the guy for sure.
If this trade meant the NJ drafted Mercer then as a Devils fan I couldn’t be more delighted at the moment
Love that Mac and Cheese ala 300 story, also because I first heard it during your video of the STL Blues winning The Cup.
I mean a lot of the reason for Hall’s trade was the locker chemistry negativity revolving around him with other Oilers. If there was no negativity in the locker room I don’t believe he would’ve ever been traded at the time
I’m very thankful we have Larsson in Seattle. Him and Dunn are really gelling
As a Devils fan, this was really awesome to see drawn out. Hall was great for us, and I was bummed to lose Larsson, but end of the day I couldn't be happier with the pieces we have now. Credit to the player that Hall can be when he's healthy, but give me Bahl and Mercer (who has been going off in the preseason) any day. They fit with the youth movement the Devils are going with, and they have some incredible mentors to learn from now. But, as Steve said, best to both Hall in Boston and Lars in Seattle
It's time for Luongo and Jokinen to Florida Panthers trade tree, yeah?
revisiting this a year later, the devils FLEECED the coyotes. Mercer is just a great two way middle six guy and Siegenthaler who we got from the 3rd, is one of the best defense first defenseman. wow. just crazy
Doing the same thing, although I'd say the Devils fleeced the Caps more than athe Yotes here. Bhal Mercer and a 3rd isn't that bad for Hall. It's the Caps who gave us a future top pair dman for a 3rd.
Idk if enough has changed to revisit this one but I man has the Devils return from the Yotes aged like fine wine
Like the finest wine. And now Dawson Mercer's broken an NHL record for longest goal streak by a player under 21 :)
Since then,
Schnarr was traded to MTL for Andrew Hammond and Hammond is now UFA
Jaros is now UFA
Mercer put up 17 goals and 45 pts last season as a devil
I look forward to these videos every single week!
I cannot wait to see Mercer this season if he makes the team. He’s been a beast in the preseason.
kesler held talbots pad, and i’m still mad about it
The Whalers-Sharks tree of Pronger (Hartford acquiring the pick in 93) is a long one and would be a nice video 😁
True statement... I looked at this one when looking at the Penguins-Whalers Ron Francis trade since the second round pick used came from them dealing John Cullen.
Taylor Hall got his money last year and still ended up in Boston. Kind of a masterclass in how to approach free agency honestly.
Coming back to this trade is crazy 3 active pieces on this team
Jason Arnott to New Jersey. This thing is still going
TWICE, Devils Owners should drop off a dufflebag Newark style to Arnott currently he landed NJ Langenbrunner, Severson, Coleman, Foote, Mukhumadullin‼️
Hey Steve- ever think about doing lopsided trades? My favorite- Barry Pederson for (drumroll) Cam Neely & a 1st rd pick that turned out to be Glen Wesley.
Mercer is absolutely killing it in the NHL right now. Played his way onto the team in the preseason and he's got a handfull of points already as a rookie
Here after his 20th goal of the 2022-2023 season and he’s on a 7-game goal streak. Mercer looks great and a huge asset for the Devils for years to come. Congrats
Ah, the Oilers vs Ducks series.
The year the Ducks became my least favorite team.
The year I solidified my disdain for Ryan Kessler.
The year Corey Perry lost all of my respect (although his work in Montreal last year maybe redeemed him a bit)
How were those plays in Games 4 and 5 not goaltender interference? I've seen plays where a goaltender gets bumped by an opposing player, is able to adjust his position and almost make a good save, only for the goal to be called back because of said bump into the goalie. And then you have Kesler holding onto Talbot's pad, for about three seconds, Talbot can't move far enough to make the save, and the goal is allowed? Yeah, they shouldn't have allowed the first two in, either, but there was foul play here, and just like in 1993 with the Wayne Gretzky high stick on Doug Gilmour, it ultimately came back to haunt the officials. And in Game 4, I don't know what to say on that one. Unless Talbot wasn't making the save regardless of Perry being there or not, that still should have been goalie interference.
I would love to see a Pavel Bure trade tree
I was thinking the same thing. Did you watch the THG video?
Thanks for this, is was awesome :)
lol, where did u see the Jaros thing, because he’s definitely not in Slovakia. In fact, I watched him play at the preseason game I was at tonight.
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this was filmed a couple months ago. He filmed a bunch and staggered their release
Revisiting Taylor Hall’s history today (as a Bruins fan) makes me appreciate him so much more
Cool channel. Might look more into it.
I am once again asking for a Craig Rivet trade tree
They said it's coming
I keep commenting for that trade tree🥲
It will be Max Pacioretty trade tree)
Good ole Rivs
Can we get the Erik karlsson trade tree soon and the shattenkirk trade as well?
I'm a Kings fan and live in Sharks territory. There is nothing I want more than a Karlsson trade tree 🤣. Plus they let Pavelski walk because of it 🤣.
What would the tree be, all the players dealt are still either a senator or a shark. Except for Dylan demelo who went from the sens to the Jets.
Shattenkirk gave the Blues Zach Sanford and the 1st round pick flipped to Philly for Brayden Schenn (Morgan Frost). As a Blue fan I'm pretty happy with that bit.
@@IHateMyAccountName sens legend zach Sanford.
@@stentorofsparta3576 Could just google the trade and there's your tree xD
keep going, amazing!
Hey steve i think the doug Gilmour from calgary to toronto in 1992 would be a good trade tree i believe it is still the biggest trade in nhl history with 10 players involved
Any preseason Dangits happen yet? I've been too busy to keep up with preseason.
Steve Dangle does not have the testicular fortitude to do the Trevor Linden trade tree
Jaros was on the opening night roster in Newark (due to injuries to Smith and Severson), as was Mercer (and Siegenthaler), so this turned into three players in the lineup for New Jersey to start the year. Bahl is in Utica, but there's a good chance the Devils find room for him after Subban's contract expires.
Agree that this should be revisited in a few years to see if there is more hay to be made on the New Jersey side.
Once again the oilers are the only reason this series is still going 😭
Hall is still up in the air this season. With the Bruins missing Krejci who basically gifted him those 8 goals its going to be interesting to see what will happen.
Windsor Spitfires! Miss the old fights! 👍🔥
I just did some research on a potential trade tree: Mikael Tellqvist trade from the Leafs to the Coyotes. You’d be surprised with what is on the Leafs end of that tree alone
You didn't mention Milan Lucic. Adam Larsson was regarded as the time as being less valuable than Taylor Hall, BUT he had a much smaller salary. That was 100% part of the reason why this trade was made. The fact that Peter Chiarelli gain all this cap space from the trade and then immediately blew it on Milan Lucic's salary is an important part of the narrative behind this trade (even if that's not exactly fair to either of the players involved)
Is it too soon to get the Fleury-Hakkarainen trade tree?
First time Seattle’s ever been involved in a trade tree
The trade that broke the internet.
I'd like to see if the Rod Brind'Amour for Keith Primeau trade in 2000 is worth a tree. There were draft picks involved, so maybe it goes somewhere.
Do the daymond langkow trade tree with the flyers. It’s still going on today, and you can actually start before him technically, but I don’t think he was the main part of the trades before that.
Seriously. Start with the gratton offer sheet and it’s related trade
@@johnyoung8745 exactly. It goes back so far.
The delay in posting this has already changed the trade tree. Jaros is playing in preseason games and certainly has a shot at the opening roster. Mercer has been great in the preseason, and although i'm unsure he'll play opening night, i'd bet he's an nhl regular before the end of the season.
Better yet, both Jaros and Mercer played opening night and Mercer picked up an assist
As an Avs fan, ik still a tad bitter that Taylor Hall snubbed Nathan MacKinnon on the 2017-18 season.
This video was the perfect length to wash my dishes too. Thanks.
I went to every Windsor Spitfires home game for that entire series vs Kitchener Rangers. Was literally the craziest time ever. Kitchener was such a gooooood team
But were they as good as the Sioux? The Sioux are so damn good.
At best its an even trade because neither side made a deep run with either player. The Devils still stand a chance of winning the trade if the five guys they still have in their system as a result of the Arizona trade materialize into something.
Just by getting Dawson Mercer is a W
I was worried we wouldn't get a trade tree today
Looking back at the trade. The devils absolutely killed this trade tree. They got an MVP, a top 6 defenseman who has played solid minutes, Dawson Mercer, who is going to be a cornerstone for this team, and the best defensive defenseman in the league. Not too bad for just Adam Larsson
Dawson Mercer is a beast. Looking like he’s gonna make the opening night roster.
I wish you would have pointed out that the Bruins won the Seguin/Hall sweepstakes lol
Update :
Siegenthaler is having his first full season, he's being quite good and there is no doubt he will have several other seasons.
Dawson Mercer is on his second season with a pace of over 45 points in 82 games.
Update to the Update: Mercer finished the season with 27 goals and 29 assist for 52 point
Siegs has become Dougie's partner on the blueline when Bahl is not up there to give a bit more physicality to that top line.
Do the Trevor Linden trade tree. It directly led the Canucks to pick Both Sedins and aquire Luongo. Plus there's the islanders side and Montreal side. I feel like this tree could be massive.
Dawson mercer is looking good in preseason right now so, but we will see what happens if he makes the team
Glad to see Hall doing good at Boston
Steve I really think you should do a TJ Oshie Trade tree and how it led to a stanley cup for Both the Capitals and the Blues
I am a diehard Oilers fan (originally from Winnipeg funny enough) and I would declare the Oilers as the victor of this trade based on usable man hours alone. Larsen was an integral part of the Oiler's D core and, not to mention, the development of fellow Swede D man, Klefbom. Oilers fans love to focus on the Taylor Hall winning the Hart aspect to the trade. However, the Oilers would not have been able to retain his impending cap burden and sign to low production players known as Drai and McDavid. I wish nothing but success for Larsen in Seattle.
Did you got to the game in Barry with Barry?
Please do Ron Francis to the Penguins... how often do you get to remind people that there was an NHL player named Zarley Zalapski???
As a life long Windsor Spitfires fan thank you for mentioning the team so much. However you made a mistake. We beat The Barrie Colts in The 2010 OHL Finals, not 2009. In The 2009 OHL Finals we beat The Brampton Battalion. You were certainly correct about the 2009 OHL Western Finals vs The London Knights. That may have been one of the best series I have ever seen at any level of hockey!
Do you love crushing the souls of Oilers fans, Steven?
Steve is an Oilers fan
Cokeheads never win cups
One of my favorite recent ones is how Jason arnott became shakir mukhamadullin. That trade was 10+ years ago lol
Arnott in (2011) became Damon Severson & Ben Thompson if the 1st Arnott trade ='s Mukhumadullin 🤯
Both Taylor Hall and his father were drafted by Edmonton in their respective sports Taylor hall hockey his father American football
do the Jared McCann trade tree between the Canucks and Panthers
Dany Heatley trade tree?
I really liked Larsson I think he was set for a great season against this year bar injury. But I also understand having your dad die in the city on a visit really affected him and obviously was a big part of the decision I think most fans liked the player. Also I never like comparing players which work completely different roles.
The Oilers needed solid defensemen and he fit that bill.
Adan Larsson is one of the best defensemen in the league. This year will prove that.
Claude Giroux should have won the MVP that season.
For all the troubles that both of these guys have had, I would love to have both of them playing for my team. I'm sure that many fans would feel the same way.
the reason taylor hall scored 39 goals in 2017-18 is a swiss center named nico hischier btw
Dawson mercer is gonna be a force to be reckoned with
I’d quite like to see the Thrashers-Penguins Marian Hossa trade tree at some point
It’s already made. That trade was a part of the trade tree Steve made about the Thrashers a few weeks ago...
Taylor Hall wanting to be a winner and signing with buffalo is always going to be funny to me
Well the 8 Million was obvious why he came & Him & Eichel definitely was a recipe to win but eichel got hurt
That top 6 actually looked really really good.
On paper, that Buffalo team should have been damn good
Would of been better to tell whatever fans asking for this one to kick rocks. As a Devils fan I would want to see this but hopefully after Mercer is a stud in the League a few yrs and we know if Bahl made a NHL career as well.
Just traded to the hawks...another trade tree needed 😂😂😂😂
Came here to comment this 👌
I hope the Pronger for Shanahan trade is on your guys list. The fact that it's still alive nearly 30 years later is remarkable and changed both franchises down the line
They might have done it already - have you checked?
@@danevertt3210 They have done the Pronger trade with Anaheim and Edmonton, but not the trade between St. Louis and Hartford back in 1995. This trade helped both St. Louis and Hartford/Carolina both win the Stanley Cup.
Mercer, Siegs, & Bahl all studs for Devils present day
I mean today the Devils did ok….. Dawson Mercer looks awesome in the preseason. Kevin Bahl got a taste last year and looked OK, he probably won’t make the Devs this year out of camp but he could be the first guy up. Jaros will likely be the 7th D on the roster, and Sieganthaler will probably be a bottom pair guy this year.
The Devils have more to show for that trade than Edmonton will though. They lost Larsson for nothing to Seattle.
Very odd that the Kraken made a trade tree before playing a regular season game 👍
Now Jaros now plays with the Ottawa Senators, you could've added that to the trade tree
What’s funny is that hall went number one to Edmonton and Boston ends up trading there number two seguin away and still ends up with the number one years later 😂
Larsson is the most under-rated defensemen in the NHL today. Seattle fans would agree, simply because they have the privilege of watching him play 40 times a year.
Bruins got away with larceny against the Sabers in that trade for Hall. They're gonna be a fun team to watch this year. Not holding my breath for a Cup win though.
Because Hall had a NMC…….he strong armed his way onto the Bruins
Jaros is not in Slovakia FYI. He's at camp and could be our 7th Dman.
I think the devils won…as a devils fan I love Siegs, Bahl, and Dawson. The Devils as a whole had a great season this year, but these guys all came into their own and played well by the end of the season. That said, despite the Bruins’ early exit in the playoffs, Taylor Hall went OFF… AND now he gets to play with Bedard. Happy for him.
This start of this video makes me so sad as an oilers fan lmaoo mans was sooo good
Do a trade tree that’s huge but relatively insignificant
I really like that idea. It might be hard though because nobody in it would've been traded for a significant number of assets so the tree would die pretty quickly.
@@jasondashney yeah for sure it'd have to involve a lot of change of scenery trades and journeymen, but it'd be a really funny trade tree
Buffalo did bad on the Hall trade due to he would only NMC to Boston the had better offer but he wouldn't move. Also the CBA hurt them because of them dropping the conditional on resigning clause. But with the Hall curse they got the first pick.
Correct!!
Taylor hall is the best acquisition we’ve had since Marchand easily