Tool Holder Stand - DIY stand for 88 CNC tools. how to/making off.
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2021
- My tool library is growing and I had to make bigger tool holder stand for more tools to come :)
Its 45deg angle so it needed some extra gripping at the back so the tools won't fall off.
I guess this will be a making off video with lots of laser cutting.
my laser 100watt co2 laser tube is giving up after 5 years i think. it did lots and lots of hours of cutting, I already ordered a replacement so i will make a a repair video soonish :)
ISO20 ISO25 FMB22 CNC tool holder:
s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AdmeMj
links to the famous screwdriver everyone asks about :D
ebay.us/P0852X
ebay.us/yFUnBE - Věda a technologie
Cleaning and organising day: 1% clean, 1% organise, 10% manufacturing holders, 88% playing with tools :))) Every single time
Maybe when i just got the atc spindle i was playing with tools. But now not so much. Actually not at all ;)
Good to see you posting.
I said i will. Just dont want to deal with taxes ;)
20 would be plenty 😆 Good one! i feel you, i to have never enough space for storage
20 will be plenty, cant argue with that
How many do you have ?? 😉
I got a kick out of it saying "music" in the captions while you were using your electric screwdriver. Nice work!
instant thumbs up
Thanks 😊
Absolutely fantastic. Well done, Fox.
Need to relocate the safety stop though...
hardest (for me) is to get organized to get started to organize 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
haha :D same here :) it took me a while to organize my self to do this :)
That is a nice tool line-up! :)
thanks :)
Great job as always! I'm really happy for you!
Kostas
Thanks 😊🙏
very good video..thanks for your time
Thank you for watching.
Looks great 👍
Thanks 👍
Nice! it's a time to think about ATC :)
Eager to see the CO2 laser replacement video 👍
really ?! anything in particular ?
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Yeah, well I have never seen the innards of a laser cutter. Probably it's a bit mundane but maybe just a quick tour of what components are in there and what they cost approximately. Are they interchangeable?
So maybe show anything that's easy to show and describe when you already have it open.
What I found interesting the first time I saw a laser cutter was the mirror system to allow the moving arms :)
Thanks for the tip 👍this is very helpful.
Meanwhile me with my mpcnc, I have like 5 tools without any holder 😂
I’ve sometimes had luck running higher power as well as faster to get though stubborn plastics. Of course it depends on multiple variable. Best of luck!
agree :) and people think that laser cutting is easy :D
They call it OCD, and I like it. =D
funny you said that :) it was ok when i was moving the tools around, but watching my self on the video, gives different impression :)
looks like i do have some ocd issues :D
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Organising before production is a key :D
Looks the goods, and looks super functional to!
Great to see another vid man, appreciate the upload👍
Any chance of being able to see those face mills in action?
Thanks again man for sharing 👍
i guess eventually, I'm not sure if i should recommend those or not. have mixed feelings. also looks like i will be really busy for some time.
@@PiotrFoxWysocki all good mate👍
Good busy i hope!
Would be great to see more of the work you do, once you allowed to of course👍👍
Thanks again Fox!
Very nice your tool tabled, 👍👍😊 I have on myn mill SK40 and I give al the tools a number and in the tooltable I put the lenght and the radius so when I start a job I know tool 30 is the 3D taster And I have also a highmeter so I can preset the tools
i put my new tool in to the spindle and mach 3 is setting the tool height and saves automatically to the library. similar thing i guess
6:33 Lmaoooo ! not "MOFO" but " ouh là là " tres bon accent francais ! ✔️ je valide ! toujours des videos tres interessante !
Hahaha 😀 merci beaucoup monsieur, content que vous l'aimiez 😀 maybe i should try adding bits and pieces from other languages. Maybe each video with greetings in different language 😉 could be fun 😉
Test cut with a rectangle. A lot of times a circle won't achieve full speed.
Excelent point. Thanks for the tip
Love the video!
Wondering whether black is the best color, or perhaps white, gray, another color to make the tools more visible (but also dirt).
An LED strip to illuminate?
I was considering white but dirt could be more visible on white. Gray is just boring and looks old fashion and black is always cool ;) and by the contrast you can see tools better on black than white. On black tools pop out and on the white tools would look darker in contrast with the background
Congratulations on your accomplishment. Is the spindle iso25? Where did you buy it?
I noticed you're sort of haphazard moving tools around and I have to ask. Are you using the tool height table in Mach 3? I've got two small high-speed machines using iso20 tool holders and I have 32 tool racks on the front of each machine cabinet. Every tool goes back in the same slot every time and every slot is numbered. The numbers correspond with the settings in the tool table. since I use both machines in a similar fashion they both have the same tools in the same slots. This way I don't accidentally grab a wrong tool in a hurry when I go from one machine to the other. Tool one is an edge finder, tool two is my chamfer tool etc. I found keeping everything organized and always in the same place every time really helped reduce mistakes and allowed me to use the tool height table in Mach 3 easily.
I do like your broken or measure section on your board. That's a neat idea.
I use tool height in mach3. So all the tools are set min fusion and mach3. Since every tool is different i dont need to have descriptions for them. You just see what it is. I might actually engrave a sizes on the tool holder nut. to see the size easly on my drills. Every other tool is easy to identify. In mach 3 and fusion i put tool descriptions what it is so when it comes to tool change mach tells me what tool to put. Example message: "tool 100 - 10mm 3 flute carbide endmill"
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Wait until you get older and your eyes aren't as sharp as they once were. I know which one is the 1/16in ball mill and which is the 1/16in end mill at a glance by them being in the right spot every time. LOL. Yes. I use tool descriptions as well.
Haha 😄 yeah im not that young as you might think 😉 if my eyesight turn to crap i can always go by the touch 😉 haha
Looks great! Would you mind sharing where you got the face mills? Facemills for ISO20 taper are quite hard to find.
in previous video he mentioned from where he orders the tools. Anyhow you have to search for ISO20 face mill or ISO20 FMBxx holder (replace xx with diameter from 22 to 50). Examples: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002265064974.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.58b64e6eif5fUC&algo_pvid=caf722e1-4a17-4bf7-969b-4ac40f0e3d35&algo_expid=caf722e1-4a17-4bf7-969b-4ac40f0e3d35-0&btsid=2100bb4916165097221478996ee273&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002332575164.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.58b64e6eif5fUC&algo_pvid=caf722e1-4a17-4bf7-969b-4ac40f0e3d35&algo_expid=caf722e1-4a17-4bf7-969b-4ac40f0e3d35-1&btsid=2100bb4916165097221478996ee273&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ www.aliexpress.com/item/32966830573.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.58b64e6eif5fUC&algo_pvid=8db7132f-9b57-45c4-aca7-0a7da79ed0e4&algo_expid=8db7132f-9b57-45c4-aca7-0a7da79ed0e4-1&btsid=2100bb4916165097302961231ee273&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ www.aliexpress.com/item/32969091222.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.58b64e6eif5fUC&algo_pvid=8db7132f-9b57-45c4-aca7-0a7da79ed0e4&algo_expid=8db7132f-9b57-45c4-aca7-0a7da79ed0e4-21&btsid=2100bb4916165097302961231ee273&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
those are iso25. but look on alibaba for Dongguan Gushan Precision CNC Tool. but i have to warn you, if your machine is not rigid enough it might end up in catastrophic failure.
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Awesome! Thanks for your quick response. I’ll take a look! I’m building a *hopefully rigid enough* granite CNC after your channel has given me a lot of inspiration :) Would be awesome to showcase the increased ridigity of your new machine with some face milling footage! 😉
Love it. How did you make the simpler one? I doubt I need 88 tools.. Yet. Fancy something like it for my Iso30.
just like the the new one. 2 panels top with holes for tool holders and screws and bottom one with holes just for the screws. I used longer standoffs so once you put the tool in it has 5mm clearance from the bottom panel.
I removed the toolchanger from my gantry mill a long time ago and really don´t miss it. Only once I was thinking about remounting it for a small production run but for prototyping I too see no benefit. I´m really surprised by the size of the facemills. I have got a sk/bt 30 spindle and ran into contact corrosion issues with tools quite a bit smaller than these. Carbide insert wood tools so not sure if it really compares. ...thinking about it the stiffness and dampening quality of your machine might allow you to use tools quite a bit bigger than normal without getting these "micro - chatter" issues. at least that is how I understood contact corrosion occurs.
i thought contact corrosion happens because of charge difference between of 2 different materials. close enough explanation i think :) i never heard about micro chatter caused corrosion.
in my understanding corrosion happen when the surface has access to oxidizer.
i think it happen much quicker if you work with wood. why?
all the dust gets deep in to the cracks and when there are temperature differences day and night, you get condensation/moisture getting trapped in the wood dust or it keeps cavities from drying out. so rust should appear quicker.
in case of cnc and metal cutting you use coolant oil with some rust preventing chemicals. so the tools are mostly covered with it. so they don't rust as easily.
I'm happy to be corrected :D
@@PiotrFoxWysocki my mistake and my bad english: "contact corrosion" is simply the wrong term. Fretting is the correct term in english. Wiki/ASM quote: "A special wear process that occurs at the contact area between two materials under load and subject to minute relative motion by vibration or some other force."
Makes sense. We will see with time how it will wear. But the forces in cuting are minimal. I dont thing its enough to shake it.
Hey Piotr dopiero zauważyłem ze używasz dalej chiński Inwerter. Szczerze nie polecam już się na nich zawiodłem. Po drugie fajnie było by widzieć chociażby pobór mocy Real time jak robisz jakieś heavy cuts. Chinczyki nie maja żadnych takich wyjść . Pozdrawiam
spalilem 2 rok po roku, a ten juz dziala chyba z 4-5lat. zrobilem filmik gdzie pokazuje w real time jaki jest pobor mocy na przy roznych cieciach czcams.com/video/h9q6j7POgOI/video.html
Nice :-). Where do you buy all your tool holders? Do they have low runouts?
I made video here czcams.com/video/g_tNYUH-Efs/video.html
All the links to the store in video description.
When using the laser cutter, why don't you lead into the cut rather than starting the laser IN the cut so that you don't get any burn spots? We do that on everything with a plasma cutter and I know there is a big difference. But it definitely still looks like it would help make PERFECT cuts!
Plasma cutter and laser cutter are a bit different. Normally you dont need to have lead in. The burn spot looked worse on the camera. In real life you can't see it. It was more a vapour than melting. But yeah for perfection lead in would be good.
What screwdriver is that? Do you have a link please? Nice tool rack, great job
i got this screwdriver because it had some super tiny bits for micro screws in the camera. but it looks like i use it for come other things as well, link here ebay.us/yFUnBE
I have the same spindle as you. I bought it after seeing your review a couple years back. How does your spindle handle those big blue cutters in the back row?
congrats :) i hope it works well for you. How my spindle handles those big cutters? check my recent video, see for your self :)
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Awesome! Can you share where you bought those blue cutters?
So much writing and the answer always has been in the video description 😜
Nice video, nice rack! What kind of laser are you cutting with?
Very nice! I’m using 10 holders right now and have to change tools all the time :D Where do you buy your holders? Especially the face mill?
The only thing I see with this many tools in one holder is the danger of damaging a tool buy placing another one, when the attention is on 70% after a long day for example :)
I made video here czcams.com/video/g_tNYUH-Efs/video.html
All the links to the store in video description.
facemill: www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ISO20-FMB22-ISO25-FMB22-Milling-Tool_1600138470068.html
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Thanks :)
@@PiotrFoxWysocki no longer available - the facemill :(
Another link to the same thing m.alibaba.com/product/1600083818482/NC-toolholder-end-milling-alloy-cutter.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D&from=Android
Be careful to not slice your wrists on a sharp tool while grabbing a holder, specially when it's above shoulder hieght.. I was in a hurry and just didn't think about it so I've been there done that, but I was lucky,,..
Thats why i said it could be painfull if I would make it flat ;) i almost open my wrist when i was undoing the vice from the table. Wrench slipped and scretched my wrist over the edge of the vise jaws.. this was deep..
@@PiotrFoxWysocki yep, I know the feeling. A quick press with the other hand over the cut, too scared to look :D
That laser cutter is DIY as well? Either way, can you share the specs? I'm currently contemplating getting a laser and I appreciate every piece of info I can get. Thanks!
well this is a 100 watt co2 laser. 2500mm x 1300mm. i got this from alibaba. It supposed to be working, but when i got it rail carriage was damaged so i had to fix it first, than pump wasn't working , laser wasn't turning on, had to redo wiring because it melted the power socket, realign everything. so basically like you buy from IKEA kinda DIY :)
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Damn man, I'm doing some research on Alibaba and it would be the biggest import I've ever done. Big risk. That's quite scary tbh
@@matiasgoinheix366 yeah i guess :) I will tell you my approach to it.
construction of laser cutter is as simple as a construction of the hammer.
i was considering building one my self. but when i calculated all the materials, frame, rails, electronics, wiring, case... etc.. i would have to spend more time and money to build it than importing it.
i was also ready to replace everything in it once it arrives. turned out it wasn't really necessary, just I had to fix few things.
@@PiotrFoxWysocki I agree. But my CNC build took so long and importing parts is living hell in my country. And it still needs work (I guess it never ends). I assumed lasers were more delicate and precise so I want to buy it pre-made because precision isn't my especialty lol.
I will consider what you say: easier to upgrade a pre made machine than making one from the scratch.
Thanks for the replies man, means a lot.
Lasers are not precise at all really. They are much easier than even simplest cnc machine
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Magnifique ! How does it behave with earthquakes ? ;)
i thought magnifique means magnificent not earthquakes? :) anyway its is really sturdy, thanks for asking :)
@@PiotrFoxWysocki you´re right Magnifique is wonderful, magnificent, etc. About the earthquakes, NZ has nice shakes hahaha and with a lot of tool holders, I was wondering if it does not deform too much. By the way , the beautiful spacers you use are commercially available ??
@@MrVdmg true we have some earthquakes, but its not like everything flying off the shelves. through all the earthquakes we had here maybe one thing fall off the shelve. so its not that bad :) stand doesn't deform at all and its very rigid. the spacers i used are the ones which i made for my project long time ago. i still have like 2k left :D but you can buy something similar in rc store or at aliexpress. they come at all sorts of lengths.
Incurable optimist
20 Toolholders are more than sufficient ......
88 Toolholders are more than sufficient .....
I'll give you six months
..... just 40 more.........they are more than sufficient .... maybe 50.
haha :) i think 60 max :) this should cover all possible tools really. but hey i thought 20 will be enough :D
What is that inertial screwdriver?
Who knows i got it in electronic store . Because it had all sorts of tiny screwdrivers and other bits. They should be everywhere
@@PiotrFoxWysocki nope. I can't find that on the interwebs....closer photo?
@Asa Hammond exactly the same one,:
www.aliexpress.com/item/32971129754.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.705b7729Oyqkwg&algo_pvid=abc02f01-cf92-44ec-a63a-37c04c23a694&algo_expid=abc02f01-cf92-44ec-a63a-37c04c23a694-21&btsid=0b0a555516165598098412744eaa18&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
ebay.us/P0852X
1:52 lol
you can laugh, but when it will happen to you, I don't think you will say woopse :)
@@PiotrFoxWysocki The good thing about great youtube channels: learn from THEIR mistakes! I'm miles away from using automatic tool change though, wish I could.
You can buy on alibaba carusel tool changer 600usd. Almost plug and play 😉
Nice Video! But the E-Stop is now useless^^
sorry, i don't get it :)
@@PiotrFoxWysocki All those beautiful tools are covering the Estop.
@@PiotrFoxWysocki try to hit the E stop on the side of your serverrack. The toolrack is partly covering the estop if tools are in there there is no chance to hit it at all.
Nah i still hav 200mm gap. So no problem accesing the e stop
Four ex-wives don't like your video .... Not fair !!!!
Viscous little creatures 😉 😀