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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2007
- Montage of clips of the F-22 airshow demo including cobras, backflips, super-high-alpha flight, the Raptor hovering with its nose pointed straight up, some super-fast pitch-ups, and some "vapor" (sonic shock condensation cones and wingtip vortex contrails) at the very end. Sweet, sweet stuff.
As we know, the F-22 is pretty much invisible in the battlefield (in simulated wargames, F-22 pilots always kill everyone else before being detected), has the fastest cruise speed of any airplane currently flying (MACH 1.5-1.75 depending on whom you ask), is powerful enough to break the sound barrier while flying straight up in a vertical climb while fully loaded, and is extremely advanced in how it manages, shares, and integrates information and presents it to the pilot. This weekend, the USAF has allowed one more thing about the F-22 to be shown to the public: its maneuvering capabilities. This video is a montage of clips from the F-22's first full tactical airshow demo (performed in Langley this weekend by Major Paul Moga) plus a few other F-22 clips from CZcams. I don't think I need to tell you that no American fighter has ever enabled a pilot to do these kinds of aerobatics:
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The F-22 agility is just a bonus. It's stealth and avionic is enough to decimate anything it encounter. You can't win if you can't see. F22 first look , first shoot , first kill. Then end.
Sure, when it shoot - it must fast run away. Therefore it has slotted thrusting (to has less exhaust temperature), therefor it has less maneurability as it could be with fully-vectored thrusting as at T-50. Russia and USA have completely different military doctrines, and it's reflected at plane's construction.
70ruRandoMan yeah but if the Su-50 starts getting too close the the Raptors ass it can out accelerate the Su-50 and slip out of radar detection range in a fraction of a second due to the extreme speed and acceleration of the aircraft and the SU-50s poor radar, as well as the incredibly effective stealth factors on the F22, even if the Su gets off a shot, the F22 has loads of advanced countermeasures. This is assuming the Russian aircraft can even get in visual range, an unlikely story.
+Larry Larson Now such systems Radio electronic warfare, the fight will be in the air with machine guns instead of missiles ...
It's honestly scary how maneuverable it is
From what I can tell, at least from this video, the F22 can tolerate a backwards fall without its engines flaming out, can back flip from a stationary position, CAN DO A COBRA, is stealthy, has advanced avionics...and when a clutch of them are fronting for an F35 there is no air force capable of even getting close to them. Air superiority indeed.
What a beautiful piece of reverse engineered alien technology. Awesome plane, people say the Sukhoi's are better, but it just looks that way because the F-22 can't perform its top maneuvers because it would give away its true cappability.
The Raptor eill eat the crappy SU 35 whole!:P
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So we are comparing the F-22 to a concept plane that was never produced and a model that won't enter full production until 2016? Most importantly, produced by a country that greatly exaggerates it's weapons capabilities constantly? Responsiveness? How do you know how responsive they are? Have you flown one? Or are you using your expert observation skills. Aside from the Kalishnikov rifle, American weapon systems are and always will be better than anything Russia produces.
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+D Lew that right,
Holy shit these guys are probably pulling so many G's. And the aircraft doesn't stall at all? That's crazy. Well I always doubted that this plane was very maneuverable but I see that iylt is very.
Supermanuverability is essentially an anti stall tech. In a stall, the thrust vectoring can keep pushing the nose of the aircraft in the direction the pilot wants
A member of my family was involved in getting these things into production. Nice to see a demonstration like this. Thanks for the upload!
I love seeing these Russians argue maneuverability, clinging onto the last bare advantage they have. Yeah, maneuverability really came in handy in Iraq when Mig-29s and 25s got destroyed in dogfights, dogfights mind you, with superior, more advanced American aircraft. Come on, even the Hornet can take on a freaking Mig-29, your match for the F16, a superior fighter than the hornet. Stop arguing, your maneuverability helps you none, doesn't matter if you can turn on a dime, that's WWII fighter thinking, jet aircraft from generation one have been about energy, and energy related maneuvers, you don't get into these super close turn fights these silly Russians seem to think you get into. There's miles of seperation in a modern dogfight, and even if it gets close the F22 out accelerates and decelerates the Su-35. Doesn't matter how fast your max turn rate is if you lose your energy, because you'll start turning slower and the F22 can loop or use superior throttle control to stay right on your ass. That's exactly how F15s screwed Migs over in Iraq, and the top Iraqi ace got downed from BVR, in an advanced Mig, by an Iranian F14. He never saw the missile coming. Open your eyes, your Russian aircraft can't compete, they only have a piece of a much larger puzzle.
Even back in ww2 maneuverability didn't help the russians much against german 109s and 190s that could simply outclimb, outdive and outrun anything the pinkos had. Boom and zoom, baby
Even in WWII Americans realized, maneuverability is not everything, they designed their planes to be fast and developed tactics that trashed all the super maneuverable Zeros.
I would like to say F 22 the best jet figther until now. but my contry buys the SU-35 because its maneuverability. but for modern air war, not only maneuverability must be owned but avionic electronic, stability, maneuverability, robust, stealth and many more must be calculated by enginner. F 22 is still the best jet figther until now.
Written as if you had a choice. Your country isn't allowed to buy the F-22. There won't be on export version for a good while.
the f22 is amazing at stealth takedowns
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somebody please show me where are those manouvers....????
the T-50 is a paper champ...lmao F-15SE will crap the t-50. The raptor will pee and crap on the T-50 and set it back to putin.
Charles you are absolutly right, a fleet of 3 f22 raptors is more Than capable of taking out a fleet of 12-16 flankers before the flankers would even know they are their, and that "slow russia" is how we americans do it (;
Thanks for the compliment! For some reason, many Canadians like to slam everything made in U.S. I appreciate Canada, however, and I'm glad you are working with us.
Pak fa is better !!!!!!
PAK FA is not even combat ready, idiot.
The x wing is better than the f22!
Note that both the x wing and pak DA only exist on paper.
JH314Aquila ever heard of a working prototype?
haha...yeah. Okay, not even india wants the PAK FA, and you silly super maneuverability is useless considering the PAK-FA lacks even the stealth signature of the F35. see those giant exposed engines? They'll light right up on a radar real nice, stealth coating over them or not.
Shaan Lalvani3 where is your PAK FA idiot ????
I love the controlled falling
Ladies and gentlemen, this plane the real deal! What the Raptor is really capable of hasn't even been declassified to the general public!
P&W said a few years ago that they have a lot of growth in the F135. When GE said they can build an engine with 20% more power, P&W quickly followed up saying they were already achieving 51klb on the test bench.
Just amazing!
It's the only one that can hover on it's tail. That says a lot about it's abilities. Shame it costs not clearing up after Hurricane Katrina to buy!
They are developing new " G-suits ", where it essentially suspends the pilot in a pressurized suit. They are also making a new seat, that will actuate via hydraulic pistons, in sync with the movement of the aircraft. The reason the pilots were passing out is because the plane is SO manuverable, it is too much for a human to withstand right now. Once the new suits and seats are developed, the limiters can be taken off the aircraft, making them EVEN MORE manuvable than they are now.
The 35 does not have to worry about drag since it can carry a sufficent payload INSIDE. One of the main drawbacks of 4th gen fighters is that all of them require pylons to hold their weaponry outside on their wings. This causes drag and diminishes lift on the wing. The F-35 when in stealth configuration could outperform the 16 because it is for the most part in clean configuration. Thats the reason why such a heavy fighter can out turn the 16.
In very simple way - you get more powerfull reflected signal return, which means that same target will be detected at greater range. Larger apperture also ensures more of that reflected signal gets into reciever, providing better gain.
MADL receivers will be a military standard roughly half way through the F-35 procurement. Both F-22 and F-35 already have the ability to receive link-16 and numerous other signals.
There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more "
Hey, I heard Romney wants to put the F-22 back in production. Nice to know there is a sensible politician.
What you can`t grasp too is that for L-band radars operating in passive mode F-22 and F-35 will be like roaches suddenly exposed to the light, because ANY TV relay station in the area, ground L-band radar emmisions or ANY other VHF - L-band signal in the area will make them shine it as if they was corner reflectors.
Canopy frame. Protudes by roughly 3mm causing an enormous surface discontinuity scattering of running waves at the trailing edge of the front canopy section. The semicircular (un-serrated) frame itself creates a nice reflective surface from all polarizations.
Side Aspect: 80 degree cant angle of the frontal, inner nacelle. From a depression angle of 10 degrees, waves reflecting from numerous exposed surfaces + the inner nacelle render the side aspect as large as 4th generation fighters.
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Damn right he was right on the money. Take a look at a Su-35 prototype trying to pull a high AOA, post stall turn with some weapons attached.
That's one way to turn a jet into a brick.
The fact that these flankers were fitted with HMS while the F-15C's didn't have it at that time speaks volumes about how poorly the flankers performed.
Our upgraded C's with JHMCS have been absolutely wiping the floor in BFM against older F-15's like those flown back in 2008.
In the early 1970s, various American design projects identified stealth, speed, and maneuverability as key characteristics for a next generation air to air combat aircraft. This led to the Request for Information for the Advanced Tactical Fighter project in May 1981, which resulted in the F-22
No we do not, its just your suggestions and guesses.
Flankers do not need full fuel load because of their much better fuel efficiency, the result is that they reach combat with same or greater endurance surplus AND weight low enough to perform any manuvers. That is ADVANTAGE not any sort of disadvantage. Eitherway again its only your suggestions about how much do flankers have at the start of the show, nothing more.
The MiG-28 is a fictional aircraft in the movie "Top Gun". The "MiG-28"s in that movie were actually F-5E aircraft painted black with the Russian star on it.
This airplane will never see combat.
It's neat though, and it goes really fast.
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Darth Vader: "Now I have you!"
*F22 does back flip*
Darth Vader: "Oh shit!"
Simply put, the F-22 has absolutely no equal, not even the new Russian PAK FA or the Chinese J-20.
It is by far the fastest cruiser, by far the best dogfighter, the most stealthy, with by far the best air to air sensors of any fighter in history and in the medium term future.
In the most accurate exercises know to man, it has decimated the F-15, the aircraft which holds the title of the most successful fighter in the world which has a record 105 kills, 0 losses in real air wars.
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Oh and another note: the most important factors for increasing the detection range are antenna gain and the wavelength of the signal. But varying these two factors have their own pitfalls. So I would have to DISAGREE that the factors listed by FXWorldBeater are all "equal"; however, with real world limitations they are essentially the same.
The PAK FA has a number of lower hemisphere surfaces at almost 90 degrees to the incident beam of a coaltitude radar. Those surfaces (engine nacelles) are not RAM coated either.
RCS diagrams shown that even when comparing that section of the aircraft to the lumpiest rear section of the F-35 (where the tail hook enclosure prtrudes), that area of the PAK FA has an RCS 100's of times larger than the equivalent section of the F-35.
And in case you don`t know it, i give you a little physics tip on radiolocation: SHAPE of material body, which is only factor in RCS reduction, is no longer a factor if wavelength longer than SIZE of this material body, in other words if wavelength is comparable to size of aircraft - ONLY ITS SIZE plays role in its RCS.
Things go worse of SIZE of aircraft falls into region of resonant scattering of given wavelength is over (1:1;1/2;1/4;1/8;1/16 e t c). Say hello to L-band radars.
To select the right frequency (guessing simply won't work) they need to detect the freqency to jam, and quickly before the signal is switched.
There's a little problem when you can't detect any signal to match because it simply isn't pointed in your direction.
The original comment I responded to from the simpleton guy was that he said POWER is the PRIME factor for increasing range, which is entirely incorrect. If you understand the basic radar equation, you'd know that ... power, aperture -> gain, mds, system noise, temp...etc all have an equal relationship within the equation.
@BBEEAANN1 well,right now I don't know why but I'm a litle sleepy,so if I make any mistakes please inform me.From what I understand what you say here is that the Raptor's nose doesn't go down on the demo,while the Sukhoi does.If you refer to moments such as 0:45 in this video,the Sukhois do nose down usually at such moments,but there was a video (don't remember its name very well) where a Su-30 performed such maneuvers at a totally horizontal position.
TX power variance of a jet is the single most important factor in increasing detection ranges does not have much basis. However, if all other factors are held constant (meaning RCS, range, effective antenna aperture, atm loss, etc) then TX power is the only way to increase the range of detection, since we have no control over the sigma of the object in question.
Any questions?
I find it amazing that many number of studies find that American education is lacking compared to other countries. However, when it comes to military technology we have the most advanced weapons in the world, some of which weapons remain untouchable for up to 20 years. How is it that we can produce brilliant military minds, but not brilliant education programs for our schools?
One of the things that AusAirPower and you do not understand is that the F-35 gets a performance boost because its weapons are carried INTERNALLY. Since most of its weight is in the fuselage (its center of gravity) it can turn tighter than the 16. Wing loading is not a problem for a stealth fighter since its going to carry the weight of its weapons INSIDE most of the time. The 16 can never achieve its true potential in a dogfight because the weight and drag of its weapons are on its wings...
@TheTequilaShooter : The exact same thing can be told about the Raptor. The Raptor´s main feature: stealth+supersonic speed is yet to be tested in actual combat, meaning it must face nations with advanced air defense systems and air forces, until then you don´t know how good is it. So far, what it is known is the maintenance nightmare it represents, and all that without the wear and tear of being deployed in war.
@Pugzilla69 "Those kill ratios were achieved because the F-22 pilots could fire at will without worrying about killing friendlies since it was an exercise"
No they were acheived because the thing can't be seen at any useful range and can get itself into the perfect firing position. A pilot I spoke to was embarrassed because he allowed an F-22 to get behind him and "write his name on the back of the f-16 with his guns" without even knowing he was there.
@em745a agility refers to how fast something changes direction ie a human is more agile than a ford F-150. Maneuverability is how well the object is able to change and its ability to sustain that maneuver.
Irbis-E is the most capable(extremely capable) radar after APG-77.
with the help of separate L-band modules, can deploy against APG-77 equipped aircraft in intercept missions.
I refute all russian arguements with this simple and accurate radar cross section chart
RCS (m2) RCS (dB)
automobile 100 20
B-52 100
B-1(A/B) 10
F-15 25
Su-27 15
cabin cruiser 10 10
Su-MKI 4
Mig-21 3
F-16 5
F-16C 1.2
man 1 0
F-18 1
Rafale 1
B-2 0.75 ?
Typhoon 0.5
Tomahawk SLCM 0.5
B-2 0.1 ?
A-12/SR-71 0.01 (22 in2)
bird 0.01 -20
F-35 / JSF 0.005 -30
F-117 0.003
insect 0.001 -30
F-22 0.0001 -40
B-2 0.0001 -40
how big the things appear on radar
the B52 is an interesting one,see I dont see the point of having such bombers when they take off they'll be immideately spotted and shot down,thats why I would invest more in the B2 ect ect
Damn that is one beautiful machine!
@FXWorldBeater that would indeed be challenging.But I think the USAF has started a program to add these electronics and systems to a number of its F-15Cs so as to keep them in service until 2020-2025.Has it started?
I know the radar equation much more than you can imagine, since i was P-18 operator for soem years. But actualy you don`t need to know any equation when you know conditions: all variables are equal except one. It means that result of equation will change strictly proportionaly to this single variable.
Again - transmitted power is MAJOR factor in detection range, simply because of electomagnetic scattering. Which factor affects reflected signal not less than RCS of a target
And yes, MiG-31 is F-22 killer despite its exists 2 decades longer. It has more detection range, more speed, more endurance, longer range BVR missiles and its 2 seater, which grants it better tactical control and networked cooperation.
You can`t just take Zaslon radar and put it on T-50 because of its large 1400mm apperture and astonishing 30Kw emmited power. MiG-31 is MiG-31, its a class of itself.
It was true of the war games in India. It was India's best pilots and some of the US pilots had less than 500 hrs. True.
His point was that we found out how the MiG-25 wasn't nearly as good as imagined, not how they defected - which everyone does.
"say it has a detection range of x against"
correct to "say it has a detection range advantage of x km ...." This is the subtraction method that results in an answer that is a measure of distance.
Very Low Observability is term that is not wunderfaffe itself. If your enemy can detect you well outside of your own weapons - your VLO does not makes any sense.
As for AESA - we fielded it many years ago, both L-band and X-band. That if we talking about airborne systems. Syntetic apperture radars itself was pioneered by USSR, both AESA and PESA. PESA Zaslon radar of MiG-31 was first jetfigher radar with synthetic apperture in history.
I can't see the [expletive deleted] thing," said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, exchange F-15 pilot in the 65th Aggressor Squadron. "It won't let me put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it visually through the canopy. [Flying against the F-22] annoys the hell out of me."
This is far better than a MiG-29 airshow.
@gtamodman122 Yes, much sooner than was expected. There was a report a few months ago of upgraded f-15's already serving in mixed squadrons with F-22's.
As for EF vs F-22:
"more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected....
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International Air Power Review wrote:
"more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA fir OEU trails work have been flying agaisnt the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have performed better than was expected. There was little surprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a surprise by getting a radar lock on the f-22.
Atomic explosions have a peak output of 5+ megawatts and cause high voltages in electronic devices which leads to internal electrical noise or destruction of the receivers.
There is also other components of the nuclear blast that cause noise such as gamma rays and the shifting of the earth's magnetic field around the blast resulting in similar effects to a strong solar flare.
I LOVE all these comments saying "Oh this plane is better than the F-22!" And yet... they have nothing to back it up.
f-15 is constantly getting updated with the new stuff today :P saw it all once in a movie
I got a question for you
What do you think about the MiG-29 ?
You know earlier I used to think that this plane can only do high speed maneuvers very well and not slow speed like the Flankers until I saw this video. The I was like "there is no doubt in my mind this plane will win every fight it ever comes across, its the best plane in the WORLD"!!!!!!
whats the difference between manoeuvrable and agile?
The cobra is an example of uncontrolled flight .... for those who actually know aerodynamics and about military aircraft in general, the cobra is totally unimpressive. When the F-22 does it, its at higher G's and is totally controlled every time.
In the Su-27 flight manual it states that any AOA in excess of 26 degree's, the Su-27 is no longer in controlled flight.
OLS-35 has 35km detection range on Su-30 into front hemisphere and 90km into rear.
Hotter F-22 and F-35 will be seen at much greater range. Case with IRST sensors is not only in type of sensor but with optics which assists it. Catadioptric lens in OLS makes it better performer versus foreign competitors. New OLS-50M supposed to have quantioum well infrared photodetector which will boost its performance 1,5-2 times versus previous generation of sensors.
This planes is so cool, even chuck norris is a little frightened.
The F-22 Raptor is one of my favorite planes
Laws of physics said, with THAT wing loading and THAT t/w ratio as so as THAT l/d ratio and lacking of TVC makes its dogfighting abilities WORSE than even F-16 has.
@FXWorldBeater Oh,this sounds good :-D Do these F-15s have a special designation or something?
The f-22 was designed 15 years ago and we first seen it in 2005, and the J-20 can barely compeat with it, Just Imagine what secret project's the US has got going now?
No the technology is ESA- Electronically Steered(Scanned) Array, So Zaslon was the first Electronically Scanned Phased Array(Fisrt operational combat aircraft unit).
I think the main difference between passive and active is in transmitting and receiving the signals.
In fact Passive or Active it is ESA.
An addendum to the post below, having carefully looked at the competitors….The F22 is certainly more maneuverable than its predecessors….but…and I HATE to say this…the SU 57 wipes the floor with it. But may be WAAAY more apparent when doing so. If one can hide and the other can’t, good luck to the one that all can see. And don’t try to convince me the SU57 is Level 5 and commensurately hard to see. Don’t believe it for a minute.
Oh man, I know that but its days are over, now this plane will continue that legacy!!
Western news about engine problems - IAF Chief ACM Krishnaswamy rejected the media reports as cynicism and stressed that blade nicks, which appear due to pebble ingestion, do happen and there is nothing unusual and specific to the sukhois. There were accompanying rumors that the IAF had even refused to accept a batch of SU-30MKI production, which were simply untrue.
@BBEEAANN1 The F-22 is a plane designed to control itself.I'm no expert,but I'm interested in agile aircraft generally,and from what I have seen in airshows,the F-22 is designed to perform hard maneuvers in a controlled yet impressive way while being under control,while the Sukhois are made to perform impressive and precise maneuvers and bringing the plane to the limits.Instability is a loved feature in fighters (even though not always good).
Hehe i agree too! I love america and im from Australia!
You still can`t grasp that if your enemy is in radio silence more - ALR-94 is completely helpless. While IRST systems detect anything that emmits Infra Red. And jetfighters ALWAYS emmit IR at enormous scales.
Once F-22 uses its main radar - its no longer "stealth" - never forget that in your speculations.
Radar apperture itself is perfect corner reflector, even if you do not turn it on, only open radome for radiowaves - F-22 RCS becomes as large as Titanic.
Yeah and I am a rocket scientest fool. The Raptor can take off and pull to a hover at 2 to 3 hundred feed, HOOVER, Using vectored thrust still hovering move around still over the runway, transition to horizontal flight, cruise to the Gulf of Mexico and go supersonic within 30 seconds without afterburner. This I have seen myself and my jaw dropped. Everyone around me was speachless! Nothing can touch this bird, turn inside her, or manuver around her. Other craft are shit out of luck!
yeah because of its size and weight. Also in wet fields lighter and well armoured T-90 is the best.
smaller in size makes it difficult to spot from distance too.
For example the 'Maximum Speed' of the F-35 is at Mach 1.6+. But what it does not say is at what altitude it is at.
The F-16 has much more specifics on its performance: Mach 1.2 at sea level, and Mach 2 plus at altitude on clean performance.
Also the F-16 slows down A LOT when things like Missiles and bombs are added onto it. Especially since it carries its weight externally. The added weight from the Missiles and/or Bombs along with the pylons that attach them to the Airframe not only...
heeey thanks, im looking forwards to visit the us some time soon, maybe not very soon but still, and come again when you want :)
Can anyone point out what here is considered as super manouver?
Just curious of the pilot's name in this original 2007 demo?? Thanks ..
You got me. I'm just pretending to be in the Air Force. Lol. I am enlisted in the Marine Corps though. Going to Parris Island in 5 weeks:D
There are many sources, just ask Stephen Dalton, the RAF-Officer. He was asked how the russian made SU-30MKI performed against the Eurofighter, and he answered, 'well they lost' - You know the 'Anatolian Eagle' maneuver in Turkey? 3 pakistani F-16 fought a mock-up dogfight with 3 RAF Eurofighter, and all three were lost, because they were only trained to fight BVR.
And again the biggest factor in detecting a target is wavelength followed by RCS. Wavelength due to it relationship to receiver gain and low atmospheric loss, RCS due to it high variability between aircraft (higher than mere doubling of power or aperture size).
PAK FA with a .5msq RCS could have a radar twice as powerful and twice as large as an F-22 with an RCS 10 times smaller and the F-22 will still get the first look.
@gtamodman122 look up F-15C Golden Eagle ... they basically act as mini-awacs for the F-22's who run passively and pick off targets painted by the F-15's.
I'm guessing the ALR on the raptors is sued to get a basic location of an emitting enemy, and it queues the F-15's AESA to concentrate on a small area (greatly increasing range).
Thats right, we building stealth aircrafts genius. But one thing you persistently failing to comprehend is that out 5th gen fighter DOES NOT relies on RCS reduction as major and only way of success. THATS WHY its RCS reduction was at large share sacrificed to its aerodynamic performance. For example round exhaust nozzles give large RCS, bit they do NOT reduct effective thrust by 10-20% as boxed nozzles do and they give 2 plane TVC.
f22 vs PAKFA? that would be something i'd pay for to see, couldn't say who would win.
To think that the F-22 is more bad ass than the F-15 is just BAD ASS!!!
The MiG-35 is equipped with a Phazotron (AESA) which is the same basic technology used in the F-22A APG77, the F/A-18 APG79, the F-16E APG80 and the Eurofighter's AMSAR. The Su-35 Flanker is currently intended to carry a 20 kW ESA Irbis E radar, which is comparable to Rafale, but boasts the largest antenna in any agile fighter. Given the larger size of Russian radars compared to their US peers, in terms of raw range performance the Russians equal or better all except the F-22A.
Don't talk shit.
F-22 RCS is (using highest estimate I could find) 0.0014m2 Su-35 radar range (Irbis-E) is around 0.01m @ 90 km.
Su-35 RCS is guesstimated to be 1m2 (likely larger) F-22 radar range (AN/APG-77) is around 0.31m2 @ 161 km or 1m2 @ 193 km. You do the math man
As for the ECCM I'm not to sure on either side but due to the AN/APG-77 on the F-22 being an AESA radar i would think its better Certainly in ECM and maybe in ECCM