1990 Peugeot 205 CJ Convertible Goes for a drive
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- The CJ and CTi were Peugeot's drop top versions of the popular 205 supermini, to see how good they were lets take this 9000 mile example for a drive.
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The 205 GTi is definitely the best and most fun GTi ever!!
This CJ is a beauty 😍
C J stood for Cabriolet Junior. Which was base spec convertible - so other than the drop top and 1.4 engine - that was all you got. It was marketed as a good value fun 4 seater cabriolet without any asperations of major luxury. As the far as the Pininfarina conversion was concerned it was very much a follow up to the Talbot Samba Cabrio and shared most of its basic conversion features. When launched they were extremely hard to get hold of such was the demand - and held their value for a good few years afterwards. Still fun cars today if you can find a tidy one - but Cabrio specific parts and trim have become increasingly hard to get hold of to restore tatty examples.
My 205 Diesel had the same trim. Ran it for years and years. Took it for granted. I wonder if it is still going now? I actually traded it for a 2002 Fiat Doblo 1.2 petrol as we needed more room. Guess what... we still have the Doblo, it is a brilliant conveyor of goats and even a sheep muck carrier.
I had a Peugeot 205 XS with the 1.4 twin choke carburettor which was nippy and had wonderful handling. In fact I preferred it to my mates 205 1.6 GTI, because it felt so lively in the corners. It was the last car I had without power steering and you could really feel the road surface through the wheel. Wonderful car and I would have it back in a shot.
The sister car to the Ax Gt
The triangular shape on the top centre of the dash was a push to open compartment on some models (had soft open mechanism). The vertical blanking plate below the 3 circular buttons housed an orange illuminated digital clock on other models. The ventilation fan was quite unique for the day in that the fan was infinitely adjustable, not just 3 or 4 speed for example.
Makes sense, I thought it might have been something like that.
I had that same fan control in my 309 which I thought was a good Idea but haven't seen it since.
The triangular coin holder - if equipped so - is great as it exactly holds an iPhone in vertical position...best “navigation” placement ever!
On low spec LHD you did n't get any centre air vents either.
@@51StPi pretty weak! Still love a 205 though haha
I had a CTi for a while in the early-'90s. Absolute hoot to drive and reminded me strongly of the Mini-Cooper 1275S I'd owned some years before that. The same chuckability, the same gobbling intake roar. Surely, also, the prettiest small car of the period.
That's the kind of car I want to see in this channel!
I just bought a 205 Roland Garros Convertible, 1991 with 126.000km on it ... RG were always the luxury versions and used to come in dark green metallic and it has the electric WHITE (!) roof, power windows (front only) and leather steering wheel, all topped by its WHITE leather seats with grey cloth including green and red accents, finished with red seat belts. What a great, detailed and fun car this is - also own a 1982 Porsche and the 205 is a true rival now in terms of fun in everyday driving!
P.S. The 205 itself WAS indeed available with air condition, ABS and leather seats ... not on the convertible, but it was all there!
I really liked the 205 it was a good car. I had few 1.9 D one's not the fastest but if you wound it up it could be fun good video mate.
Thanks! I think what ever engine they are a laugh
@@furiousdriving A good friend of mine ran an ancient 1.8D one for about 20 years past its best and I did smash it around a few times and it was great fun.
Probably quicker to walk, but much more fun :)
My mother had a 205 XS back in the day. The triangle top on the dashboard was a lift up compartment with slots for coins inside on our car. The blanked off piece next to the ashtray was a digital clock, the instrument panel having a rev counter in place of the analogue clock of this car. The round switches in the centre of the dash were for front & rear fog lamps, hazards, heated rear window and the middle one was a fake switch with a little red LED to signify the alarm/immobilizer was active. It was a great car, and very fondly remembered. Had a lot of electrical problems though, but what a fun car to drive. One of Peugeot's all time greats.
Good vid on what was a very rare car! Interior switches and layoit that carried onto the 106/saxo.
And the hardtop cars were unusually developed from the wrc rally cars. And this model was the one that saved PSA anf showed the way forward with the 05 range and the ethos ( a simple car that had style and could be fixed easilly at home).
But intrresting that this is one of the few cars he kept smiling as he drove it
One of my fave cars - so cool 😍😎 great video as always. Older cars had so much character
This is honeslty my dream car. Or well, I would like a roof since I live in Sweden...
I saw a Roland Garros 205 on blocket the other week at not too expensive.
A great review! The 1980's really were a time when cars were designed to excel in one or two areas. Nowadays, most cars try and be everything to all men. Great video
The Peugeot 205 CTi was my favourite open top 205 because it had Peugeot 205 GTI thrills with the "wind in your hair" excitement of the open road roof down and made a dependable 4 seater with the roof up.
This really takes me back. My grandfather used to have a white 3-door 205 in XL trim. Which meant base spec with the 1.1 carburettor engine. Peugeot really did take base spec very literally, the car didn't have a single option fitted. Hand choke, no rear whiper, no passengerside mirror, no radio, wind-up window, no center console, no tachometer. I loved it! Someday I would like to still have a 205.
Actually went and bought a beige 3-door 205 in XL trim a couple of weeks ago. Oh the nostalgia!
What I now have seen as well is that the XL-trim doesn't even have the vents in the centre of the dash. It also doesn't have a glovebox, but just a small shelf under the dash.
I used to have a burgundy 205 GR 1.4 in the mid nineties. Loved it. Great to drive, good looking, reliable and compared to most other cars of the era rust-resistant. Probably the best all-round car I have ever owned
There was a Learner Driving school in the early nineties running these cars in Bournemouth. I think they were a dark green colour from memory. 😀
The rear suspension wasn't based on the 305 estate. The 205 had torsion bars whereas the 305 had a trailing arm which was also a bell crank which compressed a strut layed horizontally under the floor. The 305 system lived on with the Berlingo for ages.
I love that metallic exhaust note, almost tank-sounding timbre of the old TU engine.
How I miss cars like this one. Simple, fun and original. Today everything seems overengineered.
I've got two 205's a XR and a generation. And i love them to death. Start and go!
You're lucky, especially for the XR
7:51 honk! honk! (Omg very cute horn!)
Aircon not gonna happen? There were a bunch of versions of the 205 with AC, some even had heated seats. At these times you couldn't get a Polo with central locks.
Ive never seen a 205 with aircon, even the GTis Ive been in didnt have it, it was a crazy expensive option in 1990, by the last year of production it was becoming more normal but it was an option even on luxury cars then
Japanese and Australian model came with A/C as standard, I think having no A/C in Europe are pretty much standard affair
@@Deadguy1988 That's right, but Japanese models were retrofitted with the AC by the importer. There is a generic switch below the driver's vent for the AC. Saw it last week on a 309 GTI in Tokyo.
Scandinavian models had very often heated seats, it was standard on higher trim levels like GTI. And all cars had headlight wipers.
In Europe the cars were rarely equipped with AC or heated seats. But you can find some in southern France, Spain and Morocco.
My 205 doesn't even have center vents ;)
Why would you want air-conditioning on a convertible anyway? As far as I am concerned, why would you want it full stop. Just wind the windows down if you get hot inside your car.
Matty Lamb, when the temperature is near 40 degrees Centigrade, air con is a nice feature.
Another top vid pal loving these old classics 👌
Always liked these dashboards. The stop light on the dash is just a second light for extra warning. It comes on with the oil of temp light, or some other critical warning.
There's also a side/dip/main beam indicator light but you can only see them when activated. Nice video again!
Wow, it looks better than new!
These cars are rare now I remember 20 years ago I had the 1.1 junior 205 good little car never let me down and wish I kept it
Chapman from Lotus used to talk about "adding lightness" as his central design principle.
I seem to remember a mutual friend of ours having a tin top one of those back in the day1😁
9,000 miles? Another low mileage temptation from Stone Cold Classics, sir, especially with a manual choke and no rev counter too!
He does have a knack of finding the gems
@@furiousdriving, you are a blessed man to be driving such a fine collection of showroom fresh classics, sir...
Never been a big fan of 'soft tops' but that is a very pretty little car and what wonderful condition! Thanks for a great review.
Who the hell needs top gear👍
Lots of cars are going extinct in UK. I have a friend who lives in Edinburgh and he told me you barely see some ultra popular cars of not long time ago, currently.
We had a 206 cc. The scuttle shake was so much it was disconcerting seeing it move so much.
About your surprise on finding a manual choke in a 1990's car, in fact I own a 1992 Renault 5 1.1 with manual choke as well.
Oooh those wheel covers would look so nice on my 309 :3
Oil lights are generally for oil pressure.
Every day is a school day.
Love a 205
This is just a classic looking car, timeless decent design
Gti had completely different front suspension with lower control arms, normal ones had MacPherson struts ie a lower arm secured for and aft by the anti roll bar. What made them better was what was happening at the back, independent with trailing arms, bearing mounted with transverse torsion bars. Not a torsion beam golf/Polo style.
ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE DAMN TRAIN, CJ!!
1:15 When you thought the video can't be more British :D
There was a Roland Garros and French Open in Cabrolet also.
Lovely little car.
I seem to remember Junior models had the denim trim. It was like an entry trim for more design following buyers.
As mush as I’m a fan, you’d be better of with a 306 Cabriolet with colour coded soft top some nice wheels from the GTI 6 and gorgeous Pininfarina lines.
Good review.
I bought that very interior from a scrap yard and put it in my XRAD van which I converted to a car, and then I wrote it off.
That'll be the modern built Spitfire from Headcorn on one of it's expensive pleasure flights. You're always knocking around Kent.
its about £3000 for a ride in that I think
Nice little piece. Hope it gets looked after.
Lovely Jubbly, a great little French motor.
Can I make a suggestion for your videos which would make them more professional and enjoyable?
When you mention any other model, could you flash them up on the screen for just a second or two?
Don't really know cars myself pre 1990 that well so all these other Peugeot models mentioned near the start of the video went over my head. Keep it up though!
Ill see what I can do. It happened in a couple of videos
Great video of a car we did not get here. The French had given up on North America by that point, even Renault was gone. Then again, the way they rusted, nobody bought them.
Any chance you will be behind the wheel of a Ford Anglia 105e the Harry Potter car? I’m just curious. Great video as usual.
Hello,these, you rarely see on the road,but with 9,000 miles on the clock it's a must to drive,1989/1990?,it's certainly clean,nice review.
I was expecting to see you close the roof
it's a kind of must when it comes to convertibles!
Besides that, pretty enjoyable video and awesome little car.
Honestly I dont dare touch manual roofs apart form MX5s, Ive had bad experiences with borrowed convertibles getting stuck. No fault of the car, just doing something in the wrong order ad being alone in the middle of nowhere with a roof half up...
@@furiousdriving It's so reassuring to read this! I guess that, due to a similar experience, I'm quite curious about roof operation. Once, my punto had a glitch and we only learn that the hardest way. I was on the highway and it started to rain. The roof simply didn't work. I had to park under a viaduct and wait for the rain to pass. I feel your pain! Keep up the good work!
I am thinking of buying a 205 convertible. My biggest issue with small cars is that I am rather tall. How tall are you? Would you want to be any taller. I am 6'6" (1.98m) and am worried that I would stick up a little over the windscreen and get my scalp blown off. You cap is definitely staying firmly on your head. Thanks for a great video!
Im 5'11 and had good headroom as its quite a tall car, but I couldnt say you'd have enough or not - a lot depends if you're height is on your legs or torso
Did you buy one? And if so how did it went? I'm exactly the same lengt as you and looking for a 205 convertible this week.
Time warp car that. The audio made it seem like the clutch was slipping. I only ever drove the 1.8 diesel van version and it was a powerful yoke. Great heater aswell. Rare car in Ireland (The convertible)
Nice car mate
Great looker the 205. Never had one though. Good video 👍
Some of these cars, their purpose and reliability eludes me. Most French, British and Italian cars I wouldn't touch. This looks like one of those genuinely. They have only returned to the Australian market recently, sell in paltry amounts, no one can fix them and the upkeep is horrendous. My nephew had a French puegot; the one with the weird arse end. It broke down one day and 4 years later the distributor still couldn't fix it. Reputation is everything.
Isn't that a Renault Megane with the weird arse?
Yes that's it. Renault megane.
The Peugoet 205 I owned was extremely reliable It wasn;t that new even when I owned it either
A Very rare sight now a days in the roads and convertible are mean't to be fun or a classy GT cruiser in the summer and nice dry days I think I need to take mine out tomorrow and enjoy the cooler weather
how did the MOT go?
@@furiousdriving it's this Monday so time to give it a blast
Fun for Europe. Gorgeous car.
I had a golf MK1 1500cc diesel n a 205 diesel too i loved them both the golf had brilliant feel from the steering but overall the 205 handles a lot better n the engine was far more relaxing to drive as the golf needed to be revved up a lot which it did willingly also the golf engine was wearing out re bored to its max by just over 100,000 miles the 205 kept going to over 200000 miles n other than the gearbox FA major went wrong
Wonderful review. Also just looked on the Stone Cold Classic Website. I please please do a Review on that Volvo 240 Dl auto. I would love to see that 👍
Lovely video, great camera angles btw. Just subscribed (thought I was!) Are you too young to recall swapping an autochoke for a manual choke kit? It overcame sluggish opening when the bimetal coily thing tired with age. It also returned control to a driver who'd somehow 'flooded the engine' before injection revolutionised starting, power and economy. This motor is just so much prettier, though, than any modern Supersized Ugly Vehicle could be.
yes, I remember people swapping auto chokes for manuals when the early ones didnt work properly! I like the SUV acronym
Any chance of a review of a Renault 25 Baccara if you can find one.
You nailed it there - if I can find one! Id do a 25 like a shot if I found one, I dont think I can be too picky about the trim level!
@@furiousdriving
I took the grey leather interior out of one at a scrap yard a good 16 years ago, not knowing how rare there were, the rest of the car was in pretty good shape too.
@@furiousdriving
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Testing some different Ford Granada mark 1es would be very cool!!
I have one but no gear knob what Is THE Shift pattern for reverse so I can get the right one
The later convertibles Peugeot did were terrible in comparison, i used to have a 207cc the 1.6 naturally aspirated one it was so slow 0-60 in 11 seconds not good and felt very heavy to drive too , ended up selling it and using the cash to buy an Astra sporthatch which was way more fun, the old Peugeot gti,s were the best but they are impossible to find nowadays
wanna see a pug 505 next,..
The ( ! ) is the fluid level, also double as the ( P ) pad wear indicator (remember those?) The STOP means the handbrake is active.
All the lights light up as a light test when the key is turned to the ACC position.
I know they came after, but I much prefer the 306 Cabriolet
A very pretty car
@@mattylamb9194 Indeed, I am significantly proud to say that I own one.
My 1st Car was a 1.1 H reg hard top in 1999. It felt so lightweight on the road even though I was only 17 I managed to chop it in for a Mk1 Laguna. I needed more car around me!
Fact it is so light makes nakes it so good!
You should be comparing this to a 71-76 Cadillac Eldorado convertible. They're both front wheel drive and 2 doors.
yes, I can see the similarity..
Seeing how the turn indicator(4:02) arrows are over on the right-hand side of the panel instead of the left-turn arrow being on the left, above the clock and the right arrow above the fuel gauge shows poor design of the dash layout.
And from Paul Bracq too
@@furiousdriving He can't be all that clever! Glad he never got to design any Aussie cars!
if the turn indicator arrows are to be together, they should be positioned on the driver's console directly in line with the steering wheel column. Other wise, to separate them, place each turn arrow either side of another console item(like fuel gauge) or place them out to extreme left and right sides of the console for design balance.
In the left section are the side/dip/main beam indicators. You can only see them when they are illuminated just like the fuel light.
Like Neil Forbes said it's one light for both ways. My car has the same lay-out, it has never bothered me.
Stalk controls - arse-about! Wiper controls should be on the LEFT of the steering column, Lights & Indicator should be on the RIGHT of steering column.
French never had it the british/Japanese way!
@@furiousdriving I've had about 5 cars in my time(from 2002 til now).I've only had the where-with-all to run a car since 2001 and got my licence at age 47 in 2002. In that time I drove a 1985 Ford Meteor(also badged as Mazda 323), a 1990 Daihatsu Applause, a 1989 Toyota Camry station wagon(also badged as Holden Apollo), a 1996 Ford EF Falcon Futura sedan and now a 2003 Ford BA Falcon Futura station wagon. All bar the meteor had Power Steering and ALL had their stem controls the correct way round, wipers on left, lights/indicators on right.
@@neilforbes416 new JDM, Korean and Japanese-branded car destined for RHD Asian market still have stalk the correct way round, European car in the same market have it wrong way round sadly
@@Banom7a I drove a Toyota Camry(1989 vintage) station wagon for a few years. The same model was also marketed here in Australia as the Holden Apollo. This, like each car I've owned, had wipers on the left of steering column, turn indicator & light switch on right of column, the CORRECT way round. This also was the case in a Daihatsu Applause(1990) and the three Fords(1985 Meteor, also marketed as Mazda 323), 1996 EF Falcon "Futura" sedan and 2003 BA Falcon "Futura" station wagon. All my cars were Automatic with floor-mounted gears. Even going back to cars with column-mounted gears, the gear lever would be on the left of column for RHD cars, auto or manual, and the turn indicator(without the other functions) on the right of column, back in the day when light switches and wiper controls were still dashboard-mounted switches. I do remember a big 1964 Rambler, owned by a friend's father, automatic with column shift, built for Australia's right-hand-drive standards but with gears and indicator set for the American system, arse-about! Gears on right, turn indicators on left! They forgot they were building for a RHD market.
nah, prefer the 205 1.9gti....ps does it have a metal hoop, i feel you didnt mention that!!
I remember my first drive with my friends in the GL 1.4 3 door my mom had. I almost hit a Renault 18 break right in the middle (it's driver passed throught the intersection like he was alone in the world). Zip zap of the steering wheel and I avoided it. Phiew...
Mine was a hard top with 39000 miles on it and it was in very good condition when I brought it lol cost me £350 Lol what a bargin
That certainly was!
Great Review as always Matt :) Just one point, millions of people including me do still smoke cigarettes, although I would love to quit some day! Everyone did not stop smoking the 90's.
true, you just see it less these days. I always like car with the old smokers pack as its got the 12v socket and ashtray for sweet wrappers!
Still plenty of smokers around. I intensely distrust thestats circulated saying the vast minority of pople nowadays don;t smoke. I think there are an awful lot of liars around....
OMG, HubNut copycat!! I came home from the hospital in a G-reg white Peugeot 205, diesel. I think it was a 3 door. Wouldn't mind having a diesel 205, there's still plenty around and from what I've heard they seem to last well. What's the driving position like? I've driven a 206 and that's dire.
Can't believe this only has 9,000 miles on it. Do people just buy cars to not use? The 206 has that same useless trough-style area on the dashboard. Great video.
Driers seat is a bit high but OK apart from that, who knows why people dont use their cars, but good fo rust they dont!
And Hang ON! Copy Cat?!? Hardly!
Saved By The Bell! Tiffany Amber Theissen in a CJ, imagine that
We don't see the car, but we see you ? ??????
Are you related to Jason Bradbury?
No, not that Im aware
I spy a Volvo 240 at Stone Cold, pretty pleeeaaase? I like the 205, the convertible wouldnt be my first choice it looks exactly like they just cut the roof off...
Volvos are going to happen..but I want a manual!
This car is more reliable than a Toyota
Great video :)
Just one thing...
I've never trusted anybody who drives a convertible with the roof down and the windows up. 😂
Go all the way or don't bother. This is the automotive equivalent of the mullet.
I've driven convertibles daily for years and not once felt the need to do this...
You have to have the windows up if you want anyone to hear any audio in the video - otherwise all you get is FFFWWWWAAAOOOGGGGHHHOOOOOOOAAAARRRRRR from the wind!
@@furiousdriving fair play, I did consider that, so point taken.
Cheers for making these videos mate, I hope you notice my point was a bit tongue in cheek.
Got a 'classic (ha) ' Saab 9-3 Convertible that all works and has been substantially remapped if you fancy a trip to Suffolk :P
can you do a review of the micra convertible please x
If I can find one!
Proper working class cars they were...
The video editing could have been better?
As I researched, filmed, did the audio, presented and edited the whole thing alone its as good as it can get for now
👍🏻
Why not road test a Fiat 126 De Ville? From the late 70s
Id like to, just need to locate a good one
you need to drink (not alcohol)
2:26
"The convertible was styled by Pinin Farina"
- Eh ? The convertible just has less styling than the hatch. There's no additional styling here.
As you may have guessed, I'm not a fan of the 205 at all, in any guise.
hmm
remember when they do flip on the roof you would be dead, no chance of surviving
As I said in the video, best thing to do is not crash!
I always liked the Peugeot 205 and Peugeot usually last a good deal of time but my Gods! Those plastics in the dashboard of the 205, 309 and even the 405 are awful!!!
I know all cars in the 80's had terrible plastics and specially ten french but even Renault and Citröen used better ones.
Being a 1990-vintage, built in Europe, a bit cheap of them to put a cassette player in there when car CD players were fairly common by then. The maker would've been likely Philips, total crap! Should've been Technics or British PYE, or even EMI!
Not really, they were still being fitted in cars in to the 2000s, 1990 in a base-model supermini a CD player would have been the stuff of science fiction.
@@musmodtos The Euro car makers would've gone for CD in their mid-range models. In Australia, a basic Ford Falcon Futura of late-1990s vintage had cassette and radio but an equivalent vintage Fairlane would have a radio/CD player in place of the radio/cassette. A late 1990s Holden Commodore may have a radio/cassette stereo but a Holden Statesman DeVille would have the CD/radio. The Statesman DeVille was Holden's prestige model!
The Junior was the base model but with denim seats. Hardly any cars had standard CD players in 1990.
@@MajorKlanga agree. Maybe a few executives and Japanese exotica but Ford would still fit a radio-cassette in to cooking models well in the naughties as one example, same as most other volume makers and their lower ranking offerings.
I'm quite confident in Europe at least, a CD player in a supermini built in 1989 would have been quite remarkable.
Can't comment on the Aussie market (that's John Cadogen's gig) but here in the _Old Dart_ it didn't happen.
in 1990 CD players were still a way off for mere mortals, and when they were fitted it tended to be either a separate player in the dash instead of the graphic equaliser or a 6 disk hanger in the boot. The earliest car I ad with a CD was a Freelander from 2002, which was the cassette player in the dash and CD changer under the seat.
This was a Clarion in the 205
That's a girls car- or belongs to a fella who owns a hairdressing salon
Duno....to me it’s a girls shopping trolley. Real convertible would have a V8 and RWD.