083 - Yugoslavia Joins the Axis Powers. and then they don’t - WW2 - March 28, 1941
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- Yugoslavia joins the Axis powers, which then triggers a pro-Allied coup, angering Hitler. Meanwhile, the Italians fail to outsmart the British as the Japanese hope to capitalise on their superior army.
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NOTE BY INDY: I researched and wrote this episode in January. Since then I have done deep research on the fighting for Greece and Crete, as well as the Barbarossa planning. I can now say unequivocally that I do NOT believe the actions in Yugoslavia had anything to do with Hitler changing the start of Barbarossa.
I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe in these tumultuous times. Indy was meant to fly back to Stockholm after a very full week of shooting, but hiss flight was changed to an earlier time (which they didn't tell him), so now he's 'stuck' in the studio in Bavaria. He hopes to be able to fly back soon, but until then we're writing and shooting a few more episodes for you. We hope we're able to bring you all some distraction, relief or perspective. Stay safe!
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Poor man, stuck in Bavaria, what can he possibly do there ;-)
I havent watched it the episode yet, but why was the start date changed if not because of what happened in Yugoslavia? Ever since I read the rise and fall of the third reich I thought that was the case.
if I was Indy I would not go back to Sweden - looks like they total botching what going on in the world (ie everything open and people greatly infecting on another and no handwashing!!!!) and stay in Germany for a few week - well 6 months
@@Masada1911 because the Russian rivers and their flood plains in the Ukraine and Belorussian regions were still at Spring thaw levels and this left the ground unsuitable for fast armoured warfare. Hitler and the OKW staff planned for a June start date so as to allow the ground dry as much as possible. The Yugoslav and Greece campaigns had no bearing on the start date decision. Ref Hitler's War; Irving (1977)
marksandsparks1 I appreciate you taking the time to answer but I really don’t consider David Irving a credible source. However Ill look into what you say. Thanks so much. :-)
"Did you destroy the Italian Navy?"
"Yes"
"What did it cost?"
"Like 3 men and a plane"
It was certainly crippling, but was only 3 CAs in a large force
Mmmmm, check it again, it wasn't even close to be the italian Royal Navy, though of course it remained crippling and decisive event (the italian Royal Navy then would get basically destroyed later in the war).
You don't have to pull stuff from your arse or forge happenings to grab likes.
@@dusk6159 LMAOOOOOO
@@inxendere Are you good my guy?
@Adam Garratt They always need to be actually true and funny though
British: 3 casualties.
Italians: 3300+ casualties.
At this point even joking about Italian military incompetence feels wrong. It's just sad.
Perfectly Fine
Standard issue when the enemy has carriers and you don’t (yes the night action was at close range, but that was set up by carrier attacks).
@@bkjeong4302 I feel like the lack of radar in italian ships is the biggest disavantage they have, they are fighting biplanes which can be dealth with with anti air machine guns present in their ships
This is a great example of how powerful technology can be. The Italians literally had no chance because they had no radar (only optics). They failed to see how important it was.
Just like how when the Mongols under Genghis Khan & sons stole and incorporated Chinese siege technology they were able to conquer impenetrable Arab/Ismaili/Assassin fortresses.
Alexander Anderson
Actually even with radar the Italians would still be at a massive disadvantage due to lack of carriers. Good luck attacking an enemy carrier that vastly outranges you.
Mutant Macrophage
Not as much of an issue as them not having carriers or night-fighting doctrine. (Compare with the Japanese, which did have radar but only on their newer capital ships, but still did better than the Italians because they had carriers and were trained to fight at night).
Not having carriers is what put the Italians at a massive disadvantage, and the lack of night combat doctrine solidified it. They would have lost, radar or no radar.
Yugoslavian Coup: "No, we're not going to join the Axis!"
Hitler: "So you have chosen death..."
3:17 I will now quote Adolf Hitler."I have decided to destroy Yugoslavia"
"It's treason...then."
Yugoslavian partisan: “Over my dead body.”
@@ghostrider.49 for one, it is stupid to assume, that you would have been save even If you accepted Hitlers request.
Do you really think, that after italy and your other neighbours wanted territory from you that you could Just stay neutral? Let alone, that this was a possibility, considering how many neutral nations had been invaded already?
Also, say what you want, but any yugoslav that opposed the Nazis, who btw. saw the Balkans as an inferior Race, was right and Just in opposing them. It is better to have suffered under the right decision, then to have prospered under the sacrifice of all human values!
Oh and don't forget, the tension in Yugoslavia, would have happened in a form, even if you didn't deny the Axis requests. Wheter it be, because Bulgaria supported groups in north macedonia, croatian fascists who wanted Independence or some other foolish reason.
You might have the luck of seeing things in hindsight, but don't think that cooperating with the fascists was ever a good thing!
glory * , not death
The Serbians always know how to make a grand entrance into world wars!
Hahahahahahahah so underrated comment xD but true indeed.
They know how to make grand exit's as well. "Oluja 95". ZDS
@@georgefrancell5178 what about Posavina 1992
@@georgefrancell5178 or cleaning rats on Kosovo since 98'
@@wytebeats5030 Elaborate.
And here, We can see Hitler's subtle thinking regarding Yugoslavia.
"I have decided to destroy Yugoslavia"
Very subtle.
3:25
That "scene" couldn't have been scripted better!
Serbs proving once again to be the stupidest of Slavs, falling for British infiltration like that, which cost Serbs over one million Serbian lives, Serbs west of the Drina river reduced from being 1/3 of the population of CRO& B&H in 1941, to being 1/8 today.
@@lorenzodimaio6672 The joke was good, the delivery and timing could've been tweaked
Señor Donald Trumpez
Serbs were a plurality in Bosnia up until the 70's, so we’ve got the communists to thank for that. And Serbs were never a third of the population in Croatia. We were a majority/plurality on nearly a third of the territory (Northern Dalmatia, Lika, Kordun, Banija, Eastern Slavonia and smaller parts of western Slavonia), but never more than 1/4th of the population. Sticking with the fascists would’ve saved us from the genocide in WW2, but the communist repercussions would’ve been far worse.
Why to bow to a Germans or Italians? Better to die fighting against this self called "master race"...
Slav but not a slave!
Germany: "So you're finally gonna join the Axis?"
Yugoslavia: "Well yes, but actually no."
germany : Ok fine welcome !
@@eliegouttefarde2410 We really weren't motorized enough to go tell Hitler in Berlin what we thought, we needed them to come to us.
*Have I ever told you the theory of yes or no???*
Damn it! You beat me to it!
Serbs proving once again to be the stupidest of Slavs, falling for British infiltration like that, which cost Serbs over one million Serbian lives, Serbs west of the Drina river reduced from being 1/3 of the population of CRO& B&H in 1941, to being 1/8 today.
Indy: "...subtle nuances..."
Me: "Mmm, even possible!?"
a second later... LOL!
I did not wait to see the quote, I had already lost it when he said ''subtle nuances''.
@@cerealkiller7143 Yeah, Hitler wasn't really a nuance kind of guy.
Hitler: "I´m going to destroy Poland." - "I´m going to destroy France." - "I´m going to destroy Great Britain." - "I´m going to destroy Soviet Union." - "I´m going to destroy Yugoslavia..." - What a strategically versatile chap he was.
In his defense, he was so far two for three!
France wasnt destroyed. they were threatened with the destruction of paris if they didnt surrender. and surrender they did. only de Gaulle's government in exile fought from then on (openly).
@@Apokalypse456 yes they cared about their people. Unlike communists who were willing to lose like 20million people for victory
@@gandhiindia1685 Russia today has basically the same population as 100 years ago.
@@gandhiindia1685 Unlike Russia, Hitler and the nazis had no plans to kill enslave or displace most of the French population and replace them with German settlers. If that had been the case, the French people would have fought and sacrificed just like the Russians did under Stalin, because the only other option would have been extinction.
"The Italians though have been making offensive moves of their own this week, at sea"
- Huh, really?
"W-well, trying to"
- Ah, yes, there it is.
Poor chaps. They certainly were trying. Sometimes the war at sea has been scarce in this channel (understandably, with so much to cover) but the Italians managed to have their share of success at sea. The big picture was still against them, though.
Paul: *makes Yugoslavia join the Axis powers* Peter II: “I’m going to do what’s called a pro gamer move”
Dejan/Дејан Kojić/Којић Fair enough, but he must have had to have had some British sympathies (which he did) to be put on the throne by the officers
Peter II slept through the entire coup and woke up to hear on the radio "his own" proclamation in support of the coup which was read by a young naval officer who had a similar voice. And that was the first time he heard about it.
Young kings being used to justify coups, sounds almost like a tradition of monarchies as a whole
Serbs proving once again to be the stupidest of Slavs, falling for British infiltration like that, which cost Serbs over one million Serbian lives, Serbs west of the Drina river reduced from being 1/3 of the population of CRO& B&H in 1941, to being 1/8 today.
@@Porkeater2610957 Serbian Troll...
Go to Hitler quote:
"I have decided to destroy [Insert Nation-State Name]."
"I have decided to destroy Germany." -Adolf Hitler, 1933
@@user-bz1od4yc5r "The German people have proved unworthy of my genius." (Thought process, c.April 1945)
“I have decided to destroy this mustache’s reputation” - Adolf Hitler, 1933
"I have decided to destroy the popularity of the name Adolf"- Adolf Hitler, 1945
"I have decided to destroy London" -Adolf Hitler, 1940
I like how Hitler said the process of signing Yugoslavia's acceptance to the Tripartite Pact was like a funeral rather than a banquet.
Probably they did not want to but signed as it was the pragmatic thing to do.
@@KnightofAges Ah yes, the famous lie that Britain paid for the coup. Do you by any chance remember a tiny little thing called The Great war prior to the events at hand? Do you by any chance remember that Serbians lost a 1/3 of its population fighting the enemy that now held an 'open hand of friendship'. The people are not fucking stupid, they knew Germans hated them and they hated Germans probably even more.
@@KnightofAges Lost in male populitaion from 18 to 55 years old in Serbia in First World War was 53%.
@@KnightofAges Streets were packed with people. Do you honestly believe an entire nation would side with the people who they fought against 20 years ago? From people who have done unspeakable crimes of humanity over them?
They were obviously led by belief, not by what was strategically better at that point. Clearly might be hard for you to understand their actions, but we both know that they picked the right side and that's not because the Allies won, but Nazis were simply evil.
Serbia had 4.3 milion people before the war, after the war ended they had 3 milion, you do the math. That's a fact, feel free to check up.
@@KnightofAges you doubt 1.4 Million Serbs were born in 4 years, but you don't doubt 2.4 million Serbs were born in 10 years? Maybe Serbs don't live only in between borders of what used to be Kingdom of Serbia in 1911, and you don't know to use stats (because territory changed in 1918)?
Statista obviously did not count Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Vojvodina in 1911, which were not a part of Kingdom of Serbia, and more people lived there than in the actual Kingdom.
And Ferdinand deserved what he got, he could've picked some other vacation spot other than recently annexed Bosnia (out of which nearly the half of the population are Serbs), so fuck that guy
Yugoslavia: what happens when the moral thing to do and the pragmatic thing to do are very far apart.
the thing is making the pact with axis would only delay the inevitable hitler wanted slavs dead or culled
@@overlord4404 They had no good moves to make in the moment, certainly.
@@overlord4404 That is absolutely right!
@@overlord4404 You've been indoctrinated well I see. Sincerely, from a fellow Slav.
@@photoshopschool9205 bwahahahahah ok then tell me what is general plan ost
People on Belgrade streets were yelling "Better war than a pact, better the grave than a slave", well mostly Serbs were yelling that.
Really suprised that the comment sections isn't bad and not filled with arguments that have nothing to do with WW2 (*cough* 90's *cough*)
Well to be fair. The Kingdom was kind of united. However next week it will be a bloody comment section, as next wekk Croats and Macedonians betray their kinsmen, Serbian officers get drunk, while Slovenian soldiers die defending their country.
Vlade, I think every left-leaning yugoslav was chanting that. My granma (with her sisters and mum) did, and she was slovene. But of course ustasha and the like didn't.
@@peterjerman7549 when the ustacha come, the shitstorm will explote.
@@LoFiOAS1S it's recorded history mate. Btw communists organized anti-protests screaming "Long live Stalin and Hitler:
@@agandaur88 chetniks fought against ustashe idiot, but it is hard to explain to you when you do not know shit and learn from youtube and partisan media and books, so stfu
Plutonium eh? Probably just some scientific curiosity, doubt anything of note will come of it.
the're going to fade into history so hard, they should have named the element after themselves so they could be remembered
Atom baby, little atom bomb, I want her in my Wigwam, she's just the way I want her to be...a million times hotter than TNT!
Nagasaki gets a cold chill, for no apparent reason
It's only named after a planet named for a god of death. What could go wrong?
I mean, they've bumped a handful of neutrons into a few nuclei and detected a few atoms of a new element - hardly the basis of a realistic manufacturing method. It will be decades, if ever, before there's any quantity of this stuff on the planet. Seaborg should stop playing around with his zonked-out friends in California, and do something serious for the upcoming war effort - like concentrating on the realistic possibilities of acoustic plane detection systems.
Mustache man: "I am going to destroy Yugoslavia."
Historians hundreds of years later: "What does it all mean?!"
@Chalk O'holic
And yet the 40 years of communist rule was the best and most prosperous period the region has seen in its entire history.
It's not a misguided dream when it was in fact a reality. The dream was crushed because few rich criminals decided to carve up the country and divide its people.
@Chalk O'holic just watch the movies on you tube: Weight of chains I, II and part III...
@Chalk O'holic
False, communism brought development. Until then Yugoslavia was a poor peasant country with no industry or economy worthy of speaking about.
@Chalk O'holic
I don't know man. Capitalism thrives only in places where there is a capitalist core, that is centre of accumulation of wealth which then gets redistributed by the government in order to bring its own development. In order for such accumulation to happen exploitation of lower developed but rich in resources countries needs to happen, these are called colonies.
USA, because it didn't see conflict on its soil during ww2, could play that role for the entire West, but at the expense of Africa and South America.
Socialist countries had to develop themselves by themselves because they practiced anti-imperialism and anti-colonialism, so you can't say for certain that if there was no the Socialist bloc against which Western capital unified itself against, that the same kind of development would've occured. History thought us, both through ww1 and ww2, that these capitalist nations in order to safeguard their interest would go to war if it was deemed necessary.
I mean, just look at the our current political climate right now and the rising tensions between USA, EU, UK, Russia and China, who are all capitalist cores of our world.
I'd sincerely recommend you actually read Marxist literature but I somehow believe that you think that it is beneath you. Either way, "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" explains exactly why capitalists global system must inevitably lead to economic crises and eventual conflicts between great powers. History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes, and a lot of things are rhyming right now with what happened in 1920-40 period.
@Chalk O'holic
Haha, very funny. Christian fundamentalists and marxists are exactly the same because they read books and shit.
Come on dude, I'm actually trying to be sincere on internet and you give me that bs?
It's also Lenin, not Marx.
My great grandfather fought in east Macedonia. When the Germans started pushing he went to hide in the forest and after 1 month he returned home. One day when he went on a train 2 people form KPJ (Communist party of Yugoslavia) called him to join the partisans and he joined. He fought the Germans for another 4 years and survived.
A significant part of the Yugoslav army, though defeated, was not taken prisoner, and made it to the mountains, still carrying their weapons. This was part of the developing guerrilla nucleus.
Didn't he fight Bulgarians, actually? Because Macedonia was taken by them.
@@MacakPodSIjemom He fought mostly Germans because the part that he was defending was invaded by Germany but he fought the Bulgarians while he was a partisan.
Edit: basically a German division
@@nickproduction5865 Well, anyway, one can never tell the story of WWII in Yugoslavia in few sentences, there were so many sides in this conflict. My grandfathers (both of them) fought as members of JVO (Yugoslav Army in Fatherland), and they fought Germans, Italians, Tito's Partizans, Albanian Ballists, Muslim militia… you name it...And most of those sides had no real ally, so everybody were for themselves, and often changed alliances.
@@MacakPodSIjemom That's true, well tribute to the ones that fought in WWII and lost thier lives on whichever side
If the Greeks ever doubt how much the Serbs love them, let them only remember what they did for them on the 28th of March. Still a better love story than Twilight!
Yugoslavia had teritorial aspiratons in Northern Greece before WW2,a slogan used in the Yugoslav Army was ''As Mars Solun nas'' (or something like that,i don't know how the correct serbo-croatian spelling is) and ofcourse there is the creation of SFR Macedonia and the promotion of Macedonianism after WW2.But these fact were put under the carpet for various reasons,before WW2 because of Bulgarian irrederism,after WW2 because of the Cold War etc
@@Arhiroukounas We had no territorial aspirations in northern Greece.After WW2 as you probably know partisans with help of Soviet Union established a communist government.Tito created SFR Macedonia in hope that communists in Greece(after they win the war) would join Yugoslavia.Thankfully they lost.
@@dejankojic4293 Hitler could have taken Moscow already in september 1941, even starting in june 1941, but there was something called "Red Army" that blocked them and threatened its flanks in Ukraine. I'm not a soviet fanboy, just realistic. You should also remember that Hitler would have postponed the invasion due to bad weather in may 1941, the terrain was still not suitable for his motorized units, this way he would have lost momentum quicker than he would have if he started in june, when the climate had been good for several weeks.
@@Arhiroukounas - You are new born star of diabolic.
@Вишеслав. "western media" criticised you in the 90s because you were conducting a genocide...
"Alright, I'm heading out"
I dunno about that Indy
One of Many James-es enemies!
"Better the war than the pact, better the grave than a slave"
"Bolje rat nego pakt, bolje grob nego rob."
That pretty much tells you the mentality of the nation.
@@KnightofAges Austro-Hungarians? Oh right, they love German boots, I forgot, its freedom to them.
@AmeriKa1050 You seemed like a reasonable, if ill-informed person in this debate up to this point, but outright denying the holocaust is unacceptable. I will remind you that this channel forbids holocaust denial, and if you continue with your position you will be reported.
@AmeriKa1050 oh i saw u on many videos before, you are fascist
I am from Serbia, and i HATE chetniks, i hate them to death, but i hate ustashe too. They are all fascist morons and they should be removed from Earth.
@Вишеслав. Why do you keep arguing with a persona that denies Jasenovac?
Smallest book ever written: "Italian heroes of WW II".
Little known fact is that South African forces deployed their own locally-developed early warning radar system in East Africa in late-1940, (at least 12 months before the US had anything operational) and a further 3 along the Suez Canal during mid-1941.
Tag for info
@@ygma1460 Sure.There are many sources on-line - just search "Radar development in South Africa". To make a long story short, secret information about "R/DF" was given to all 4 Dominions shortly before the war since Britain was in no position to provide radar sets; and they were told to come up with their own solutions. Jan Smuts, prime minister and minister of defense of SA immediately saw the benefits and appointed a university professor who, in a matter of months delivered a prototype for testing. After some improvements, an operational system called "JB1" was sent to East Africa to provide early warning of Italian aerial attacks. Incidentally, South Africa deemed this so important that an entirely new branch of the military called the "SSS" (Special Signals Services) was established, separate of the army, air force or navy.
@@ZackMarrs556NAT0 The most recent from a magazine article: m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/sa-radar-sector-has-marked-a-major-milestone-in-its-history-2015-03-06-1/rep_id:4433
Nice to see the little countries out-develop the big boys
Last time I was this early, Serbia had suffered enough during the first war.
@Лука 310 preziveo bih i da me Zuhtijom zovu,medjutim ne znam da li bih mogao ziveti sa tolikom ljudskom glupscu 😆
subtle nuances of the coup... "I HAVE DECIDED TO DESTROY YUGOSLAVIA" Lmao great one.
8:00 "The Italians have been making offensive moves of their own this week ... Well, trying to." might be the best TLDR for Italy during WW2
Wait for 43.
They get WAY worse.
'The subtiles nuances'
Outstanding once again.
Thank you for the great content.
Our pleasure!
Hitler: "i have decided to destroy yugoslavia"
Yugoslav partisans:" so you have chosen... death"
😁😁
Pretty much 😂
They liberated most of the country by themselves
www.google.com/search?q=yugoslav+partisan+territory&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjryfb_sr3oAhWHtqQKHYTTBYoQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=yugoslav+partisan+territory&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIECCEQCjoECAAQEzoCCAA6BAgAEB46BAgeEApQ4xBY3DNgmzVoAHAAeACAAYADiAGOG5IBCDAuMTIuMi4zmAEAoAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=qmF_XuvMBYftkgWEp5fQCA&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=ivn#imgrc=Z8g7A7LVuodVmM&imgdii=k5sFbMGH0riEyM
@@hatsuhioki9361 except the Yugoslav partisans are the only European partisan force which liberated their own country with very limited direct allied assistance
@@hatsuhioki9361 chetniks avoided fighting if not necessari, because they didn't want civilians to suffer more than necessary so they didn't attack Germans as much they went for ustashe and there flowers Muslims .
The only causes worth fighting for are lost causes sometimes. Especially against unspeakable evil.
Hardly an apt parabole considering that just about 80% of Yugoslav resistance was focused on waging war against other ethnicities in the region rather than that "unspeakable evil".
12:41
Indy: an element has been called after Uranus
Everyone: *WHEEZE*
Nobody:
Not a single soul:
Jens: Kermit Of Arabia
Coup: * happens *
Hitler: 🤔 I truely am stuck for ideas, whatever shall I do? Oh how difficult it is for me to decide.
The Nigerians and crossing massive distances in little time, name a better duo.
Jon Baxter they know the way
Anakin Skywalker and Sand
Mike Jones Uganda 🇺🇬
Pancho Villa and Chihuahua
Covering impressive distances, with few if any vehicles, and I doubt whether there were good roads in that part of the world.
Just a little help for you Indy: Š in DuŠan is not pronounced as S, it is like Sh in Shon. All the best and thanks!
Thanks!
What does 'Shon' mean? xD
@@albatros280 It is name XD
@@nesa1126 Možda si mislio na Shawn ili Sean. 😆
@@albatros280 imas ime Shon www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/shon/
"Fine. I'll go, but I am NOT talking about politics."
3 beers later: 3:17
3:31
Me, after getting plastered on vodka
Imagine being around at that time. The war has been going since 1939, but lately it has been an African war, and a stalemate in Greece. Really, at this time, small scale. One would have no idea that the colossal blood was in the future.
Well this is kinda the point were the thing starts to grow
@Nub93 which is why its infuriating when people try to revisionist WW2 as "Europe War" It was called World war for a reasons every continent in one way or another are effected in population and resource even South America.
Yeah, the French, Belgians, Dutch, Czechs and Polish are really enjoying it. Especially if they happen to be Jewish or Gypsy. Not to mention the Chinese in a desperate fight against the better armed and armored Japanese.
Christian Libertarian I assume from that comment that you are an American.
@Großösterreichisches Reich Germany started bombing with Guernica. The rest of the world took notice. Japan was also indiscriminately bombing cities in China in the 1930s. The British actually held back from bombing German cities at first, not out of humanitarian concerns for German civilians but because they didn't want to provoke reprisals. Obviously that policy changed pretty quickly.
If you think of it as Serbia instead of Yugoslavia, the coup makes perfect sense. Especially if you reflect on World War 1. In general, a smaller nation that keeps getting taken over by large neighbors has disagreeable alternatives of resisting or collaboration. Also there are accusations that German versions of World War II are full of “they foolishly refused to surrender, so we were forced to attack them. Fortunately Germany seems to still remember the eventual consequences of attacking Serbia. For the record, I’m Anglo-Swabian. No Serbian ancestry that I know of.
What a freaking bad week for the axis...that naval battle was incredible. Thank you Indy and WWII crew.
It is interesting how a week-by-week perspective changes it. The overall tendency is to think the Germans had things all their own way until about December 1941, and the Japanese the same until mid-1942. Whereas week by week they both had things go wrong.
It is also clear here that the Japanese were encountering frustration in their "China Incident". They had overrun much of China but were stuck in a war of attrition with long-term prospects poor. Probably one reason for the increasing role of the Japanese navy and a search for alternative targets.
Eh Plutonium wont have any impact what so ever in the future.
Might be able to run my barbecue off it.
maybe they can use it to cook their catch after their next fission trip.
Just when you think you've seen and learned everything about WWII, Indie and crew go into depth on a naval battle and an ongoing offensive in a part of Africa that are never covered by other presenters. I'm always amazed at how much you're able to pack into a 15 minute of less video, Indie.
Thank you for keeping up with the uploads whilst we're all in isolation. Love you, guys!
Stay safe!
Tom
I feel for Yugoslavia. Do the right thing by rejecting the axis but doing so brings war to your country.
Only the leaders. The common man would of been better of not fighting a war. Pointless
@@gandhiindia1685 Technically, yes. But the population (mostly Serbs) were demonstrating around the country, with the famous chant: "Bolje rat nego pakt. Bolje grob nego rob" - which translates to "Better a war than a pact. Better a grave than a slave". Serbs didn't want to be allied to the Germans in the fight against their old allies (Entente), especially because of the numerous atrocities which the Austrians committed during WW1 (which are now a part of Germany), and the disdain for fascism in general. Also, Hitler wasn't really hiding his disdain for the Serbs. He was okay with cooperating with Croats, because they fought alongside the Austrians in WW1. But not the Serbs, because, well, again, WW1. So it wasn't really just the leaders of Yugoslavia. And just as Indie said, it was Hitler's Germany. You think that Yugoslavia would remain intact if there wasn't a coup? You think Hitler would just play nice with the Serbs of Yugoslavia despite his ideological hatred for Slavs in general? The coup chant was right. It was either a grave or a slave for them. Serbs had enough of being slaves under the Ottomans, they are a people who value their freedom and independence above all else. And you think they would just accept to be German slaves? Naturally, they would fight. And fight they did, as Partizans and Chetniks.
3:31 Hmm, very subtle indeed. I wonder what he means by that.
Poland (west Slavs): We are very rebel against Nazi Germany
Yougoslavie (south Slavs) : 02:19 Let us introduce our rébellion.
Russian View of the world : X Slav, China just Asian Slavs
Hey Indy and World War Two crew! Over the past years I have suggested numerous improvements for this and The Great War channel, and I have seen you implement not just that, but more! It is really great to see you guys do all of this work, and now the statistics are also pumped to a new level. I just wanted to give you some feedback - the Italian naval battle statistics with present, lost and damaged vessels was great! It really helps to see exactly the impact of the British attack! I really loved the way you decided to ease our understanding.
This is actually correct picture of 27.03.1941. coup in Belgrade. For me, as a Serb, it's not important if cuop had any effect on delaying "Barbarossa" or not, it's only important that Serbs said "No" to nazism and saved their honor. Big price is payed for that, but it was right thing to do, and, after all, it was par excellence serbian way!
A few notes about Naval Battle of Cape Matapan (a battle I enjoy studying a lot since it was a classic battleship action supported by air assets) Italian Navy Commander in Chief Arturo Ricardo objected sailing against enemy due to lack of air cover for Italian Navy and lack of fuel for his ships. But under pressure from Berlin and from Mussolini and German promises of air support he agreed to go offensive against British shipping traffic in Eastern Mediterranean under Admiral Ricardo Iachino with Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto along with eight cruisers and twelve destroyers left Adriatic Sea on 26th.
Royal Navy Mediterranean Fleet was actually warned that Italian Navy headed by battleship Vittorio Veneto would sortie on Allied troop transport route on Eastern Mediterranean and RN Mediterranean Fleet commander Admiral Admiral Cunningham (probably one of most resourceful and aggressive British admirals of his era whom one describe as "Nelsonian") itching for a fight , got early warning because RN Intelligence and ULTRA decryption of Italian wireless codes from Bletchley Park deduced Italian Navy sortie plan correctly. Cunningham tricked all Axis agents and Axis symphatising Japanese consultate in Alexandria by going to golf club in evening in sight of everyone then , getting out from backdoor , boarded to his flagship HMS Warspite and sailed to meet the incoming enemy fleet.
When first cruisers of Rear Admiral Henry Pridlam Wippell's engaged with Italian battleship Vittoro Veneto and his battlegroup they did not suffer any damage but then Admiral Iachino's Italian fleet came under sustained air attack from no less than British aircraft carrier HMS Forbiddable (Cunningham was using RN tactic of "Find, Fix and Strike" He found the enemy and now fixing it by slowing down with carrier borne air attacks). Realising that enemy carriers are prowling his fleet Iachino turned his fleet to return to Italian mainland. But one Royal Navy Albacore torpedo bomber (a version of Swordfish) torpedoed Vittorio Veneto before shot down by AA fire and another Albacore torpedoed and damaged Italian heavy cruiser Pola. Vittorio Veneto was a fast battleship (Italian battleships were faster than their counterparts usually) and escaped but damaged heavy cruiser Pola with two other heavy cruisers Fiume and Zara along with three destroyers left behind as escorts.
On night of 27-28 March , Cunningham's surface ships (three battleships HMS Queen Elizabeth , HMS Valiant and HMS Warspite plus five cruisers and nine destroyers approached left behind Italian ships at night and blasted them with aid of radar and night fighting tactics (which RN was throughly trained) Fiume and Zara were sunk under heavy gunfire of RN battleships. Pola was boarded by Royal Navy crews (who found the Italian heavy cruiser half deserted , Chinati bottles rolling everywhere. Most of remaining Italian crew had found officers liqour storage and in riotous mood) British boarding party captured important intelligence documents and materiel plus a few Breda AA guns onboard Pola then after everyone was evacuated from doomed Italian cruiser , Pola was sunk by torpedoes. Two more Italian destroyers were also sunk and third one escaped damaged by gunfire of British ships. All Luftwaffe air attacks on Cunninghams fleet failed (two German JU88 bombers shot down) Cunningham's fleet rescued and captured 1.000 Italian naval personnel from sea and then actually sent a radio message to Italian naval command to gather up remaining survivors and where they can be found then they returned to Alexandria unmolested.
After the war Italian naval officers were annoyed that British actually used radar to track and attack their ships in night since according to their quote "Marconi had been an Italian" Cape Matapan had been worst Italian naval defeat in 20th Century. Italian Navy was not all demoralised but Italian performance in both Taranto attack and Naval Battle of Cape Matapan made Hitler and German High Command consider Italian Navy quite unreliable and useless from now on. This negative impression of Italian Navy would have fatal consequences for Axis invasion plans of Malta.
Minor correction, the Albacore wasn't a type of Swordfish, it was a separate design intended to replace the Swordfish.
You need to use way more paragraphs. Without paragraphs and line breaks it is quite difficult to read walls of text like this.
@@mutantmacrophage6653 OK I added some paragraphs
@@merdiolu Nice. The last paragraph is still too big in my opinion, but it looks much better.
Mutant Macrophage stfu
Thanks for all your work Indy and crew!
Our pleasure! Cheers!
9:58 that is a REALLY good diagram for battles!
Yugoslavia: We join the Axis
Also Yugoslavia: No we won't
Yugoslavia: Yes, we will!
Also Yugoslavia: No, we won't!
Hitler: I'm going to pull this car over and teach you a lesson!
If I remember correctly, the leader of the Croats, Vladko Maček, actually joined the new government by Dušan Simović and he will refuse to accept to be the leader of the Axis puppet state. However, before the coup I believe he supported Yugoslavia's entry for the same reason Paul did.
Thank you for the Hard work you put into these videos!
Very foreboding Indy. You really know how to set that hook. Love every second of it.
Peter II is The King since 1934, the year his father was assassinated, hence Prince Paul was regent in 1941
Silently puts gun on table: THE FATE OF YUGOSLAVIA
Excellent video
Small mistake: Peter II was already king since 1934 when his father was assassinated in France. But because he was minor, regent (unlce prince Paul, tho closest adult male-line relative) ruled in his name.
Excellent pronounciation of Yugoslav names! And great show as always. Gonna play my Crimson Shadows single now...
Dasko Milinovic awesome!!!
Fantastic episode! Well done!
Really like how you show zones of control, for example how Italy lost influence in the agean and Adriatic due to naval losses. Really helps to understand the constantly changing balance of power.
Also, even if the pact held... I wouldn't hold out hope Yugoslavia won't have been partitioned or broken up regardless by it's "Allies" in order to feed their Axis Pact sempais. Plus Serbs were DEEEFINITELY on the Hitler's To Do LIST given what they did to Austria-Hungary during WWI no matter the pact. This just moved us to the top of the pile.
6:10 that might be a problem if Erwin "fighting is sure to result in victory so I must fight" Rommel decides to attack.
Has the Australian division been given radios yet? or are they still using heliographs to warn of troop movements?
Nah, pigeons will do fine
@@attilakatona-bugner1140 Cpl Baldric: ''Dinner is served in the Officers Mess Tent , Gentlemen. Tonight we have Squab au Vin..."
Sun Tzu said that!
I would love to see you guys do entire one and two hour episodes. You're really good at documentaries.
Excellent segment!!!
Thank you so much for this fascinating coverage of the war in China, as well as the East African Campaign
Despite a fair amount of reading Military History , I knew minimal amounts about either and am motivated to read a lot more
The lack of general coverage of the latter is quite shocking given the enormous successes and was clearly motivated my "other factors" at the time Bloody well done to those Colonial troops for showing how to fight a war of manoeuvre
Chilling! Hearing the name Plutonium sends a shiver down my spine. Amazing channel!
Small side note. Part of HMS Valiant's crew at the Battle of Cape Matapan is a young Greece born Midshipman, the future Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Great video guys
Speaking of the Italian Navy, at some point I'd love a special episode dedicated to the concept of "fleets in being." While naval battles are thrilling of course, I would love some attention to be thrown on how sometimes naval power is best used by not using it, and just tying down resources for "just in case it gets used."
"Bolje rat nego pakt
Bolje grob nego rob"
For anyone wondering, it's what the Yugoslavian people were chanting during the coup and it means:
"Better war then the pact
Better grave then a slave"
haha Serb na bizantinskom jeziku znaci rob, serbulja je roboska obuca....lazete lazetee srbiiii
@@dinoslav9056 u Vizantiji su se govorili latinski i grcki, nisam siguran sta je "bizantinski" tako da ne znam ni nazive obuce. Pozdrav
@@dinoslav9056 a to ko te je lagao odma da ti da pare.
Nice week Indy!
What a fantastic site. Excellent history and a larger than life host who clearly knows his onions and informs us without crossing the lines and being obnoxious. And he’s not just covering the Yugoslav crisis, but also filling us in on what is going on elsewhere during that week. By the way, love the retro outfit.
Wow, thanks for this comment! Made our day!
I have always thought that war between Japan and China was one sided in Japanese favor, but this weekly episodes changed my perception of that war theater. Thanks WW2 crew and Indy :)
Vedran Vrhovac Its s flaw in western history understanding. Japan is often portrayed as Nazi Germany in Asia which is complete bogus.
Japan was a country torn by an ineffective government where half longed for peace and half wanted somekind of war to make the country stronger but there was never any clarity or plans on what to achieve.
The only times Japan was effective where at the beginning of the war when everyone was in favor of punishing the Chinese and then after Pearl Harbor in taking the European and American colonies in Asia. In between and afterwards Japan had no clue what to do.
Not even the ideology was coherent or strong enough (many Japanese even fought in the Chinese civil war on both sides after the war).
So it was a completely chaotic system of conflicting interests(not wanting to go in the zaibatsu here as the third faction) that somehow fought wars they didnt believe in or had clear goals for.
That doesnt excuse the many atrocities but comparing that to the single minded ruthlessness of Nazi Germany is insane.
Japan didn't really conquer China. They got bogged down and couldn't advance towards west. Even the official result is a stalemate. China actually did 30% of the job against Japan in Asian front.
Can you imagine being an Italian sailor at night, and at 300 yards, you just see a searchlight and then a barrage of 15 inch shells is fired at you?
A lot of actions in short period of time, like in movies, and a great episode as usual :)
Hey Indy!just commenting for the algorithm,just started watching rn
To elaborate on the "Hitler having to postpone the invasion of the Soviet Union in order to subdue Yugoslavia changed the outcome of the war" theory, he had already been considering delaying the invasion from May to June because the spring mud would have made rapid advancement more difficult, so a May invasion was infeasible anyhow. Even so, the Germans were too exhausted and overstretched to have taken Moscow by the end of the year. So none of this "one month early and the Soviet Union would have been defeated, but wasn't because of Yugoslavia" stuff.
Yep, read the pinned comment.
People useally forget that the muddy season is twice a year. I think if they went in May, the red army would be more disoriented, but would quickly regain their footing like we saw during the operation. I also think they would have gotten stopped farther from Moscow, Leningrad would have not been as strongly besieged, and Rostov on the don might have be reached.
@@user-ik3xt1bx2n No, it didn't. There was no possible way for the Germans to have taken Moscow in 1941. Reaching it and capturing it are two different things.
@@eagletanker Weather in May can be unpredictable in European Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. People sometimes wonder why they jumped off on June 22, but Napoleon crossed the Niemen on June 24, 1812 when he invaded the Russian Empire. There may well have been climate reasons for him not going earlier. There was a substantial Polish contingent in his army which was more familiar with local conditions than the French were, and he may have acted on their advice.
How about giving some folks credit for doing the right thing knowing they could die for it. Defying Hitler when you knew you were surrounded took guts
Hold on just a minute. Being politicians and army leaders, they were by far the least likely to die under Hilterite occupation. Ever since Poland it had been well known that it was the civilian who bore the brunt of everyday terror-the civilian who had no say in the matter to begin with.
What they did was basically Lord Farquaad: "Some of you may fail but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to accept".
@@yarpen26 You make a fair point. However, Hitler took it really personally when defied and some really bad things happened to those how defied him
Guts we always had. Wits, not so much. On top of it - Germany did remember WWI and probably thought "Oh no you wont again..."
Only the leaders who would not fight on front line. The poor soldier who would gain nothing from winning ir losing. How can people not realise this. War only good for rich people and control freaks. Should of avoided the war in 1939 by giving Germany her lands back..
I like the short note at the end of the episode about Plutonium. It's like a storyline. Something that will foreshadow the final episode four years from now
I really appreciate the ominous foreshadowing of the bomb.
Kind of when the allies helped Poland and Finland... and then they didn’t
Because they couldn't.
Where did the Polish government in exile go when the abandoned their country? From where did the Polish army continue their fight against Germany?
@THE DARK SENATOR They went to war as promised, at great cost to themselves. That was meant to be a deterrent to the Germans, it just turned out Hitler was in irrational war-monger who couldn't be deterred any more than he could be appeased. And no one expected Poland to fall as quickly as it did - partly because no one outside the German and Soviet governments knew that the USSR was going to stab Poland in the back.
@@KnightofAges Exactly, and they were allowed to stay after the war.
@Puyuan Liu They were made into a Soviet client state, because the Soviets won the war and Britain was in no position to do anything about it. Did Poland go on a suicidal charge against Germany when it absorbed the Czech republic?
Big nope, it even took some land from the Czechs. Nations have to think of themselves first and foremost, Britain committing suicide in a war against USSR would help no one.
Everyone who reads this comment keep in mind that Germans and Italians sent 100,000+ troops to Yugoslavia in 1941-1944 to fight against partisan
Not only partisan ...
@@draganmarkovic491 sorry I don't know how I forgot them
Germans had small garrisons in Yugoslavia until the Red Army came in 44
Tito's Partisans were the only guerrilla force significant enough to be regularly mentioned during Hitler's daily situation briefings. Other guerrilla and partisan forces were mentioned but only during unusually high periods of activity.
Chetnics were fascists aswell.In that time they were burning my grandfather's villags here in Dalmatia,Croatia..
Very interesting. One little and seemingly unimportant coup in Yugoslavia (which did not change the fate of Yugoslavia in the end) had saved Moscow later that year by delaying Operation Barbarossa unintentionally. Harsh winter settled in and allowed Soviets to take a huge breath. When you look back in the history and see how seemingly trivial events had caused huge differences in outcomes, it makes you think...
Oh! A WW2 channel now! So cool I loved 1918 so its great! Thanks for your work
"It's old Austria-Hungarian imperial network..."
So railway track gauges in Yugoslavia dont match either Austrian gauges or Hungarian gauges?
Japan: Man, who knew that invading a nation that is vastly larger and more populous would be this difficult?
Also Japan: Lets start a new war with another country that is vastly larger, more populous and more industrialized
@@cv4809 Spoilers!
Indy (hope i spelled that right) you guys did an excellent job,as allways!!
Love this series
I seem to recall, from watching your series on The Great War, that the Austro-Hungarian railways were a hodgepodge track gauges and rolling stock. It is my perception that this is pretty much the railway system that was inherited by Yugoslavia. If my memory is correct, I am wondering if there is any information about whether this hodgepodge was converted to a single gauge compatible with the rest of Europe between the wars? My inclination is to believe that only major arteries would have been converted if they were. Whether or not they were converted, I would think the Yugoslav railway network might have had difficulty supporting the logistical needs of the Wehrmacht even if the coup hadn't happened.
As an aside, I hope everyone with the Timeghost team and their family and friends are successfully weathering the covid-19 storm.
I agree; I believe the Axis needing Yugoslavia to join them just for its railways (still shoddy, to use mild terms, in all the ex-Yu states in 2020) is a gross oversimplification by the TimeGhost team; at least we were taught when I was a kid growing up in Yugoslavia that Hitler wanted his Balkan rear secured before attacking the USSR so no British advances into the "Europe's soft underbelly" (Churchill) were feasible...
So here i am, part of the "Howd you comment before the episode released" club.
Welcome aboard! And thank you! Especially in these trying times.
@@spartacus-olsson Thanks. Ive been a patron for quite a while now since im finally making enough money to justify giving 3€ a month to a channel that cant rely on the already near nonexistant ad revenue of CZcams because CZcams seems to think that history shouldnt be talked about on its platform.
As a fellow member of the group and proud recipient of some of those comments, welcome to the Time Ghost Army
Thanks guys, it really means a lot to us! (Capnazrael your next comment will be your 200th!)
@@WorldWarTwo You guys keep track of that? XD
This is the first video I have watched from your channel. It was very interesting in general and not to mention since my family and my people are from Yugoslavia. It hit a certain personal point. Yes we do not care we will revolt even if the entire planet is against us. It is the principle that matters. I have subscribed. When I get some free time I will start watching this whole series from the beginning.
Well done mate. Amazing video!
Keep up the great work!
Thank you and welcome to the channel
A most interesting episode indeed. The Italian Fleet were at a huge disadvantage Not having Radar fitted to their Vessels particularly in night engagements at this time of the War with the RN.
I find the behind-the-scenes fight for the atomic bomb between axis and allies to be very interesting. It defines the world we lived in after the war. Plus there is a lot of fantasy about the state of German's research. I would find a mini-series (like you've done about nazi on crack) about this topic most interesting.
“A COUP ON THE DAY OF THE TREATY SIGNING?”
I just totally love this series and now I'm twice happy because next ep my grandpa finally will enter in action :D (he was in the division Pasubio, part of the 2nd italian army, and fought in the Dalmatia area)
Thank you : )
As I wrote earlier this month, the coup that happened was orchestrated by British secret service and carried out by mostly English educated high ranking members of Yugoslavian Royal Air Force.In their deception they went so far that they even played speeches made by Prince Paul rallying people against Axis powers on the national radio stations (it was latter confirmed that it wasn't actually Prince Paul's voice on radio but an impostors one...it was one of the man who took part in the coup).
After protests begun Tito and his Communists piggybacked on it and later they even they took credit for it and represented it as an Communist led all Yugoslavian protests against King and Nazis, despite the fact that most of the protest where held in Belgrade and few other town in Serbia.
It is interesting that Yugoslav Communists openly welcomed the anti-Axis coup, even though the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was still in force.
That was prince peters fake voice,not Paul's.
The Serbs were against the pact anyway, British just helped out.
@@stevekaczynski3793 they didn't care.As long as war or heavy social problems were there,they are happy.
The SOE and the British definitely supported the coup, but ‘it is still clear that the initiative came from the Yugoslavs, and only by a stretch of the imagination can the British be said to have planned or directed the coup d’etat’ (Stafford, David, ‘SOE and British Involvement in the Belgrade Coup d’État of March 1941'. In: Slavic Review 36:3 (1977) 399-419, DOI:10.2307/2494975.
From sources used by The World at War in the Imperial War Museum, Barbarossa was to happen in early May. This action delayed the start of that operation to the end of June, too many weeks later. Good clip.
Good Video!
The weird science lesson at the end was random and unrelated but other than that cool vid
Totally. What's plutonium got to do with World War Two?
it has nothing to do with Yugoslavia, not even Germany
@@Rilex037 And neither does it have anything to do with Nigeria, nor Tanu Tuva.
In the Battle of Cape Matapan, the british battleships got to point blank range and then all at once turned on there searchlights (prince Philip being one of the searchlight operators on the battleship Valiant) and within three minutes 2 cruisers had been destroyed. Really showing the advantage radar poses at this time.
They were only like 7-9 Kilometers away. That battle was a turkey shoot for the British
I have heard tales that someone had 'forgotten' to tell HMS Formidable (the carrier) to leave the line of battle before this, and she ended up using her 4.5" dp guns in direct fire against the cruisers... before someone noticed and ordered her to retreat!
Not entirely sure how true this is, but it certainly fits the 'glorious cock-up' style of the RN :)