Divine Simplicity Debate Review: Gavin Ortlund vs. Ryan Mullins

A charitable review of the Divine Simplicity debate between Dr. Gavin Ortlund ​⁠‪@TruthUnites‬ and Dr. Ryan Mullins ​⁠‪@TheReluctantTheologian‬ hosted by ‪@IdolKiller‬
Complete Debate with Opening Statements
• DEBATE: Is Divine Simp...
Sources Cited in my review
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Related is my review of Pastor Dr. Jeffrey D Johnson's book "The Revealed God: A Introduction to Biblical Classical Theism."
Access a written copy of some of my notes
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[@Wully02]

As someone who believes in a strict Thomastic ADS I really enjoyed the debate, and your review.

[@IdolKiller]

Cool! I'll check it out

[@wheatblue7592]

Scotus view is the exact copy of Ashari-Maturidi view of Islamic creedal school. Undoubtedly he was affected by the works and contour of theological discussion in the east.

[@ZnerSamoth]

For Maturidis, Allah’s divine attribute as the creator, sustainer, the giver of life and death is timeless and eternal;. the effects of these attributes originate in a time and place. For the Ash‘aris, Allah’s divine ability to bring something into being originates in a time and place. Which do you think Scotus advocates?

[@RandomTheology]

@@ZnerSamoth
I’m not as familiar with Islamic theology. I have only read al-Gazali’s work. But I take Scotus sees God’s distinct attributes as both infinite and eternal.

[@ZnerSamoth]

@@RandomTheology Does not every mainstream Christian theologian see God's essential attributes as infinite and eternal? What is the significance of the "distinct" in the phrase "distinct attributes"? Is being "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" a distinct attribute of God (and as such infinite and eternal)?

[@RandomTheology]

⁠@@ZnerSamoth
Christians have a spectrum of views similar to the different Islamic traditions you have articulated. God’s essential attributes are necessary whereas God may express these attributes in creation. Divine wrath is understood as God’s justice expressed against sin. So God has uncreated, essential and eternal attributes. Additionally, God can take on created attributes grounded in God’s uncreated attributes such as creator, redeemer, wrathful, jealous (I can explain if needed)-being the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, King David, Solomon etc..

[@ZnerSamoth]

@@RandomTheology And where is Duns Scotus in this? Are "distinct attributes" = "uncreated attributes"? Does Duns Scotus speak of "Creator" and "God of Abraham" as divine attributes that have been temporally acquired, siding with the Ash‘aris against the Maturidis?