Amar pelos Dois - Why it’s different from pop music
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2017
- Why does the 2017’s Eurovision winner sound so different from other contemporary pop songs? Luís Figueiredo the arranger of the song “Amar Pelos Dois” sang by Salvador Sobral and written by Luisa Sobral, explains why.
Review and analysis.
Luís Figueiredo:
www.luisfigueiredo.net
luisfigueiredo.bandcamp.com
/ luisfigueiredomusic
SongBird (Luís Figueiredo & João Hasselberg):
songbirdduo.bandcamp.com/rele...
Contemporary Portuguese Music Playlist:
• Cristina Branco - E Às... - Zábava
Portugal has always presented Eurovision with songs that are so different from the usual 'la-la' shit that most other countries come up with ! - Let's hope Portugal lift the standard of songs in future Eurovisions. Well done Portugal, from London !
Come on. Portugal has a huge collection of poor quality entries to the ESC. Only thing we can give them is that they always sang in portuguese. Still, when they once in a while have quality songs, they barely manage to make a top 10. This year for sure was something special
Poor quality ?
Actually... Portugal is poor, so maybe the quality is just a reflect of what we have. If you felt something soft when listening this song, is because that's all left from this country : love for an old place, respect for his history and a pure and simple love for life, traditions and family.
If you want effects, booms, lights, vocals, etc. So enjoy other countrie's songs... But just don't say that a country has a bad quality when they just like to make true songs. Every country in Europe is different, songs doesn't have to be all the same !
All my respect for you and listen to some portuguese songs ^^
+lemasquepourpre Well Patricia as a Portuguese I must tell you that, you can't consider Portugal Poor, Portugal is one of the 40 richest countries in the world among 200, one of the 30 richest in Europe among 54 states, in per capita richness.
Portugal may not be among the top 10, but maybe 80% of the persons in the world are really really poor and live suffering from hunger and other evils, any person born in Portugal can't consider himself/herself poor, that would be an insult to the entire world.
Portuguese are all saying "we're poor we're poor" as an excuse for everything. But 90% of the persons in the world are more poor than a Portuguese unemployed. If you say that Portuguese are poor, then you don't have a clue of what happens in the world. There are millions of persons in the world living with a 1€ per month, and in Portugal we have a MINIMUM wage of 670€ (575*14/12) and have lots of things a lot cheaper than they have in 3rd world countries.
We Portuguese may not be as rich as some rich countries, but remember we're richer than the majority of the world, it would be an insult for many if we consider ourselves poor, the richest countries in the world are like 10% of the total, they are not the majority.
All the Portuguese: Stop saying we're poor. We may not be one of the richest countries, but there 80% of countries living a lot worse than us.
Thank you! But the fact is that, although Portugal has sent some different and good songs, usually they are not easy to catch people from other countries and not understanding Portuguese. On the other waym specially in the las years (most of the songs from th 21st century) were realyy bad, trash. There are many good composers and singers in Portugal, and I hope that after winning ESC the country will send much better songs than those usually in the contest.
OK but let me try and explain why I think that is.
Portugal has always sent good songs to the ESC but no matter how good they were, they were always ignored and the top prize given to some stupid, worthless and totally shit song (search and listen to Croatia's 'winning' entry of 1989) so in recent years Portugal decided to stop trying and send shit songs too not giving a damn whether they would win or not.
Might it surprise you that Portugal is part of the ESC since 1964 and was the only country never, EVER, to win it ? - ALL other countries, yes, ALL other countries have won it at least TWICE and many won it 3 times including Israel which isn't even an Europen country? So why is Portugal the ONLY country never to win it prior to 2016 ? The answer is political. Yes, the ESC has been used as a political tool (Croatia 'winning' it during their conflict with Serbia, for example). I am still trying to figure out why Portugal was allowed to win it this time. Yes their song was wonderful but that has nothing to so with it..... or has it ?!
This video only shows the genius of Luis Figueiredo, a world class composer just waiting to be discovered!
Yes, yes, yes.
This song has to be sang in Portuguese. You did a great job in this cover. I have fallen in love with the Portuguese language due to this song. It really got under my skin. And every time my eyes are full of tears. Sobral is right when he says “Music is not fireworks, music is feelings”.
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Hes one of the best singer in the world, from Brazil ( Rio de Janeiro), got unique style, mixes samba with rock, soul, african music. Try to listen some of his music
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🇵🇹💪👍🇵🇹😜
It is also a waltz, which is uncommon in these days.
Uma das mais gratificantes surpresas para mim, tem sido descobrir que nos dias de hoje se faz excelente música e que existem músicos extraordinários. Como nasci nos anos 50 e vivi de perto toda uma revolução musical / cultural, fui erradamente achando que hoje em dia não se faz grande música. Nada mais errado. O que de facto temos é de começar a filtrar o que a industria gravadora nos tenta impingir e começar a deixar de ouvir algumas das mais conhecidas emissoras de FM, para que mudem de politica ao perder audiências.
Este vídeo foi simplesmente a demonstração cabal de que hoje em dia se faz bom, melhor, muito bom e mais do que isso, a constatação de que há nestas gerações músicos extraordinários.
O que se aprende com estas imagens é digno de ser difundido pois esclarece e informa de uma maneira simples, o que de facto é feito com alma, trabalho e talento.
Bem haja Luís Figueiredo.
Não podia estar mais de acordo consigo João Carvalho, mas tb. não é menos verdade que a "industria da música" tem (des)educado os ouvidos e aos mais incautos que não tem base, ou estão menos atentos, acabam por consumir o que essa dita industria lhes quer impingir. Desta forma satisfazem o apetite musical desses ouvintes(que infelizmente são a grande maioria), com o lixo musical que bem conhecemos, impedindo ou relegando para uma posição subalterna, aqueles que de facto são os verdadeiros músicos, tirando-lhes o lugar que por direito lhes pertence.
@@josemesquita6713 falou tudo e muito bem!
He’s a legend! This song! I am actually not the type for crying but when he sang that song at the esc I was like having goose bumps all over my body and cried.. out of amazement!
I mean portuguese people seem to have great english, Salvador's english is perfect such as Luís Figueiredo's english and Luísa's Sobral is the same! Congrats Portugal
Henrique Pinto This girl from the video she seems to be portuguese, the way she said luis figueiredo...!
Henrique Pinto the portuguese have ease speaking 'every' language because we have almost every sound in the portuguese language. Maybe the asian (japan, china, korea) have some unique sounds, but in portuguese, we have almost every sound of the english language, german, italian, french, Spanish, Greek, russian, dutch...
we were Discoverers, it's in our genes to adapt to other countries, be open to learn languages and be very welcoming and warm to foreigners 😊 as well as respecting different cultures. I think we are a very friendly and peaceful people ☺
While in Brazil we get trouble to do some of our own mother tongue's sounds.
...we know
As Salvador said during the voting, pointing to himself: POP? No POP, No POP.
This video should be played at Eurovision 2018, so that Eurovision fans understand the struggle artists go through because of this “industrialized music”
This video is quite eye opening in a way, thanks for this.
Awesome commentary on the composition of this beautiful song. It's so true that everyone would benefit from a little musical education - music is for many little more than aural wallpaper which requires no input or effort from the listener. As a result, we get used to hearing more of the same and demand what is familiar, instead of allowing ourselves to be challenged by what is new, experimental, and different. This song continues to move people all around the world, and proves that there is plenty of room for all kinds of music - we only have to open our ears and listen with our hearts. Obrigado.
I just want to congratulate you on this video, this is incredible, beautiful and full of content. Keep going!
Muito bem. Trata-se de um elogio à diferença, com importantes luzes sobre técnicas e opções instrumentais. Não há milagres nem soluções definitivas mas há um exercício que quando feito com inteligência e talento pode resultar, independentemente do resultado momentâneo. Parabéns ao Luis Figueiredo e à autora do documentário. Fernando Tordo
I am deeply proud of the award, the song, and the video.
Thank you. Love from Portugal.
love love loove this song
Beautiful music. I love Slavador Sobral. I'm from Brazil 💋💋💋
Fantastic video production! It's amazing how much people miss out. The art of music is one of the ways where humans can communicate with no language barriers, yet people still don't search for it. Great job on this work.
Fantastic job! This is a treat for musicologists.
Great video. :) I always say this to people, who complain that they hate modern pop and that "there's no good music anymore", that there IS still good music out there, you just have to look for it, instead of waiting for it to appear in the charts or the radio. And if you want your favourite "not-so-mainstream" music to be more popular, then TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT, show it to them! One of the great things about the internet is that it's easier than ever to follow your favourite musicians and keep up with their more recent work, even if they aren't big superstars (or perhaps were once, but haven't been for a while).
I think Salvador's statement was probably controversial because he made a rather poor choice of words, which caused his statement to sound very snobbish, and detract from what he probably meant. I feel like this video explained his point a lot better (that the mainstream market of today is very monotonous because the industry has very narrow ideas on what will and won't sell, so they prefer to play it safe and stick to the same formulas that they know will sell, so they often resort to a very fast-food-ish way of making music, which is why a lot of modern pop songs sound very similar to each other, and that you can still move people even if your music strays from conventional mainstream pop formulas, people just need to hear it). But the way Salvador said it, "We live in a world of disposable music, [...] and I think this could be a victory for people who make music that actually means something", sounded more like he was saying, "the world's full of shitty and unimportant music, but I'm a real artist, who makes important music, and that's why I won, because I'm better than all of them!" A lot of people who enjoyed his song probably enjoy pop music too, and for him to slag off a lot of the world's music as "disposable", and say that his music is "music that actually means something", it didn't just sound snobbish, it sounded really pretentious. As in, "what makes him think that he and his music is so special and important?", seeing as how music is subjective at the end of the day, and "Amar Pelos Dois is the best song from this year's competition" is only an opinion, and not an objective fact. Although it is indeed an opinion that most of the juries and viewers happened to agree with, hence it winning. :P I think if Salvador had phrased his speech better, his point would have been clearer and it wouldn't have been controversial at all.
E†han1994 I agreed about your commmentary regarding Salvador's statement. But at least it can gain some attention, eh? 😂
Great video! Parabéns, Luís Figueiredo!
I rarely listen to pop music, but not because I don't like it, since The Beatles are my favourite band, and they're a pop band. A different one, though, and that's what I want from music. In Portugal, we are having more and more good musicians getting noticed - great ones like Luísa Sobral, Miguel Araújo, António Zambujo, just to name a few - who are singing in their native tongue, running away from the convention that not so long ago said that if it wasn't in english, it wouldn't sell. Well, I think that if millions of people voted for a young stranger whose words didn't make sense in their heads, I can assume that good music sells, whatever the language sang...
Just recently discovered a band from the 70's (Electric Light Orchestra), which I think are way ahead of its time (listening to "Believe Me Now" reminds me of Muse, for instance, another giant from the present). So, good quality music is out there, we just need to filter it more and find music through our tastes, not from industries who need to sell the same music through different artists that come and go.
Keep listening! Keep discovering!
Respect from Lisboa 🇵🇹💪
Great Video. Its apparent that you put a lot of work into it. Really well done.
There have been a surprising number of musically diverse performances at the ESC over the years (Norway 1973 and Lithuania 1999 for example) but they seldom score well or gain much recognition beyond the contest itself. Thank you for unpacking why that is and for honouring the authenticity and success of Salvador's victory with such a beautiful song.
This is such a great video and so many great points about modern music productions are made here. I think it's great to be musically literate. Thanks for the playlist too! I am always on the hunt for new stuff to listen to too. This was just a great video and thanks for your work.
Honestly this year's Eurovision had some great songs that were outside of the typical pop sound (and typical ballads of screaming women) it was a satisfying year for the contest. There were a few artists that I went back through their backlog and am very happy that I got exposed to them via the competition this year.
You should make more videos about music, this is excellent.
its 2023 and im here crying 🥲😩
Perfect sense!
And one of the reasons is in your video, is that i am portuguese and i have never heard of Cristina Branco!
What a great stuff we have here!
Wat.
You're lying I hope.
Bourbon Kid Nop!
But im outside of portugal but i see portuguese websites and i never saw news of this singer
wow fantastic video, the editing complements so delightfully with the content. what program do you use?
Yes! It is in harmony with the context in many ways!
Like they say in the video about their song: «it sounds simplistic but is crafted». So is the same for the editing, content, meaning, message and composition of this video.
Come on Portugal!!!
You had such amazing but underestemated Eurovison songs (Lusitana paixao, Senhora do mar, Ha dias assim, to mention few). But this one is pure, heavenly joy to listen to💖🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
This video is so well made I felt I needed to comment. Please keep doing what you're doing. Super impressed . Congrats
Excelente video essay. Muito bom trabalho de investigação e edição. Continua!
I applaud you for the quality of this video!! Both the information and the images shown were pertinent and informative!! Good job!!
Very well done. Great insight. Thanks!
This is for sure one of the best videos i've ever seen. Congratulations!
Greetings from Portugal
Estou muito contente por ter encontrado algo fora do comum, não o conhecia nem a este tipo de música, e vou pesquisar por mais música fora do comum.
Que aula de arranjo / composição!!!
Great work.
Good documentary. Congrats.
This a very good and professional video. Congratulations! Thank you for the quality of it!
Oh wow, thank you so much! This is so educative and inspirational, congrats to the amazing artists after this song and the designers of the video!
This was a great video. It really opened my eyes (or should I say ears) to the wonderful possibilities in music
Amazing analis of the music indurtry! All because of a simple song that win a Eurofestival, and i may say, the best song to win a eurofestival! And i'm a guy from the metal em prog and i'm in love bye this simple jazz song! Now hope that radio stations stop passing play list of the indurtry and give again the power to the radio man chose what he likes to hear! Like in the 60's 70's 80's and 90's
Excelente vídeo, muito educativo e bem produzido. Parabens
Brilliant video! Thank you for making it!
Muitos Parabéns pelo vídeo, uma grande e pertinente análise não só ao "Amar Pelos Dois" como ao estado actual da indústria Musical.
Se fosse possível ter acesso a um link de playlists que o Luís tem no Spotify seria um bónus ;)
Continua
Amazing video! I've learned a lot! Thank you very much!
Parabéns pelo vídeo ! Para além de ter informação claríssima e acessível para qualquer pessoa, tem interesse didáctico para aulas de songwriting, por exemplo. Muito bom
Sim, uma observação pertinente de facto.
Muitos parabéns pelo video, está excelente em todos os níveis - conteúdo, edição, produção,...
Excelente video. Parabéns HelloLillyTV!
Very well made and thought provoking video! Thank you!
Obrigado, Luís Figueiredo! Muito bom video - acho que aprendi bastante, como leigo que sou. De facto eu gosto de deixar o spotify ''navegar'' sozinho para coisas aleatórias, e ás vezes descubro grupos interessantes... é uma actividade bastante divertida até. Canto num coro amador, e a viagem entre minha casa e a sala de ensaio dura 1 hora, geralmente passada no spotify. Acho, no entanto, que pelo simples facto de uma grande fatia dos ouvintes serem pouco ''educadas'' musicalmente (eu incluido), não é razão para as insultar (como foi feito no concerto pelas vítimas dos incendios). Acima de todo somos todos seres humanos dignos.
Amazing video, just wonderful everything about it
wonderful video
Im portuguese btw
When i heard this song i loved it becase it's a song you would hear in a disney movie and it brings me memories from my childhood
this video is amazing very well made just continue because you have a good future reserved
One of the best songs, ever
i subscribed this channel because this video is great.
Done The Same :D
ok this video deserves more views.
one more thing to the creator of this video: who are you? why does the production of this video look like the video Vox is producing? like this is a very cool video 😱
The music represents the heart. The piano is the beat and when the strings take over you can literally hear how his heart breaks when he gets rejected.
Excelente.
Excelent work. Thanks for it. 100% agree
great video, as allways.
Excelente video! Parabéns! :D
Wow, what an amazing video! Everything said here is just straight facts
5:55 Fermata o fermate? No conocía esa palabra. Tendré que investigar, me dió mucha curiosidad.
love the song
incredible
Estive a dar uma vista de olhos à playlist e vi lá duas músicas da banda que mais oiço (Diabo na Cruz). E ver três músicas do compositor/escritor que mais aprecio (Jorge Cruz) para além das músicas da sua banda (Diabo na Cruz). Só foi pena não ver nenhuma música escrita/cantada pelo Manel Cruz.
1:50 quando sabes que a narradora é Portuguesa, não engana!
Quantos anos em Inglaterra?
I'd like to mention videogame music: there are some incredible compositions out there that many people don't know about, usually known only by those who like gaming.
Gostaria de mencionar música de videojogos: existem algumas composições incríveis por aí que muita gente desconhece, excepto aqueles que gostam de jogar.
Very informative
This does remind me of a more classic style. While watching this video it seems almost like a Disney sort of music. Almost like I could hear him singing at the window with birds flying around him. Can't explain it otherwise.
Same
This video is excellent! I disagree with one thing though, that’s not a bridge at the end of Amar Pelos Dois it’s a verse that’s been cropped, then the coda. A bridge would have sounded very different.
Also I would have loved to see something about the chord structure of the song, seeing as pop songs tend to only have four chords and APD has many more, that would have been fascinating. But thanks for this brilliant insight into the best song to ever win Eurovision.
So tenho pena de "no geral" o publico ser tao fechado e tao marioneta da industria! pois hoje mais do que nunca faz-se excelente musica em Portugal. Nao sejam tao levados pelo comercial e pelo que vos tentam incutir atraves da publicidade e dos media! procurem o vosso gosto e nao sejam apenas mais um ouvinte do mesmo. Emmy Curl, Prana, Noiserv, Fadomorse sao apenas uns poucos exemplos portugueses, que decerto nao conhecem, da grande variedade e capacidade de fazer desta arte que se chama musica. e há para todos os gostos. Sejam felizes.
I honestly thought I was the only one who thought that this is a masterpiece. The best modern Eurovision winner hands down.
EXACTO!!!
1:54 Actually the longest introduction in Eurovision history with 45 seconds is part of "Lane Moje" (SCG 2004). I would love for you to cover that song, as it is also something very different from modern pop music.
Great song 💚❤👍
Verissimo. E la magia di una canzone non si compera al supermarket delle major. Quello che ha detto Sobral, in maniera polemica, all'Eurovision, è pura verità, che cozza contro tutte le altre canzoni del festival e della nostra quotidianità. Viviamo in un tempo oscuro dove alleviamo maiali senza vita per nutrire il corpo e ascoltiamo canzoni senza cuore per provare a nutrire la nostra anima.
Ed ora, se volete sapere che cosa ho scritto nella mia bellissima lingua che è l'Italiano, andate su Google Translate.
Españoles y portugueses entendemos sin necesidad de traductor!😉
Because he's from a lovely country :) .
I love the song because it's original and use their own language
nice video!
WTF? Are you portuguese.? Because you said Amar pelos dois really well!!!!!
Sim
Penso que seja o autor musical de “ Amar pelos dois”
And it is even better when you consider that before the silent pause he stresses the word "depois" or later, in Portuguese.
to love for two...🇵🇹
you're portuguese... i can tell by the way you pronounce the song title
It’s common in the music world. But it’s uncommon for pop music for sure. He’s right about how Eurovision is for entertainment more than it is for songwriting. I’m often so baffled that people actually don’t divert from pop music. I can’t imagine a life listening to pop my whole life b
❤️🇵🇹
LUV more PT and the World too. bjs!!
Listen to Benjamin Clementine, Michael Kiwanuka, Nothing But Thieves, Raphael Saadiq, Paolo Nutini, Ray LaMontagne, Electric Youth Kwabs, Leon Bridges, Thundercat, Blood Orange, Sonder, Childish Gambino and you will know that music is not dead.
Some songs: Benjamin Clementine - Gone, JMSN - Drinkin, Sonder - Too Fast, Michael Kiwanuka - They Say I'm Doing Just Fine, Blood Orange - "You're Not Good Enough", Nothing But Thieves - Lover, Please Stay. Enjoy
good list! see the artist bruno pernadas you will like :)
I listened to a song from him called "Ahhhhh", I love the vibe
I told him because he is like what they say in the video, nobody knows him because
the media do not divulge, he lives by teaching music ....
Today, because of CZcams and Internet in general, is really easy to produce and publish your own song by creating fast food music, using cheap softwares and autotune without knowing a single shit about what your are doing. I think that today's music is good like it was 40 years ago, but the difference is that 40 years ago only the good musicians could get a contract with a recording label, but today no one needs this to be a true musician, you just need to follow the formula of success. Nowadays, we have good and bad musicians in the same spot, and the bad ones are receiving more attention because people usually loves to listen and watch to shit, thats why reality shows got more attention on television than interesting documentaries. The good artists are being overshadowed by the bad ones, this could happen in 1960's if Internet existed in that era, because anyone could publish their work even if it was horrible or not. I could say thousands of good artists from this generation, because we have really good music.
V Império
Folk interested in Portuguese rock can start by checking out these LPs:
José Cid - 10 000 Anos Depois Entre Vénus e Marte
www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3537
Petrus Castrus - Ascensão e Queda
www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=11959
Banda do Casaco - Hoje Há Conquilhas, Amanhã Não Sabemos
www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=16629
Regarding Pop music pretty much everything boils down to António Variações:
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To this day pop musicians keep having success by simply doing covers of Variações.
Great video. Cheers.
Mesmo
Was this José Mourinho?!
Pop music is BS, but this song blows me away 😍
🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹♥️♥️♥️♥️
It’s a Disney song basically
*ceder (give in) not "sofrer" (suffer)
talk about staying away from formulas but puts the ac dc logo.... LOL
Come on back, and make another video.. Besides, you have to gloat about your Avengers theme song argument victory. they absolutely used it in the Infinity war trailer.
it sounds like a Disney song... sung by a misunderstood/apologetic character
I think there is a little mistake here. Serbia's song in 2012, Ukraine's in 2014 and Montenegro's in 2015 have longer music introductions.
We call that kind of rythm samba-canção. (Brazil)