THE GREATEST BATMAN ANIMATED MOVIE OF ALL TIME
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2021
- Previously I took a look at what I felt was the worst Batman movie of all time, Batman: The Killing Joke
Well today I'm here to talk about what I feel is the best Batman movie of all time
Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker
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He didn't necessarily say he doesn't know the joker, just that Bruce had never mentioned him. Saying he knows of all his other enemies could just mean Bruce talked about them, but never mentioning the Joker doesn't mean he does not know about him at all.
Yeah he most definitely knew of him but Bruce clearly never spoke about him much or gave up any details
Actually if you listen to how Terry words its pretty clear he doesn't know anything about the Joker.
"It's Funny, I know about all your major enemies but you never mention him. He was the biggest wasn't he?"
Why would he say it like that if he actually knew about the Joker. There would be more news articles and old videos about Batman fighting the Joker than any other on the internet. Bruce wouldn't need to mention him Terry would already be well informed at least enough that he would ask the question like this.
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@@supersizesenpai the answer is in the sentence "he was your biggest wasn't he" that implies prior knowledge.
here is something interesting to note: in one ep, bruce is training terry by using robots with the appearance of his old foes: riddler, two-face and croc. funny that he didn't include joker as a foe for him to fight.
@@supersizesenpai That still doesn’t necessarily mean he doesn’t have any inkling of him at all. As in he probably knows the name The Joker but hasn’t done any research or heard anything from Bruce. At very least he likely knows the clown gang is based on him.
Terry knows who the joker is but he never was aware of the full range of his reputation. He saw him probably like he sees the jokerz gang, a petty crook with cheap clown gimmicks that somehow always got away. He didn’t realize the unique terrifying relationship between Bruce and the joker, and the sadistic motivations behind a man with nothing to lose.
Well said.
Agreed and it’s clear the public knew joker to when they were horrified by him returning. The thing I feel is that joker in the behind universe is like how we view older serial killers today. Most people know of them, but the only people who truly casually speak of them are they worshippers (the jokerz gang) or in times of dire consequences (like this movie). Terry knew of joker, but nobody (especially Bruce) would ever talk about him unless it was absolutely necessary. That’s why terry said Bruce never talks about him and how terry guessed he was the worst of the bunch
I always thought Tim Drake killed the joker on purpose. you can see in the clip he takes careful aim and adjusts where he's firing. In my mind that was part of what ultimately broke him, rendering him a crying heap, abandoning the code that Batman taught him and taking vengeance on someone who hurt him by killing them.
Oooo that’s interesting I never thought about it like that
I always assumed it was on purpose and apparent. Did other people not?
forastero54321 yeah I always felt like that was obvious
@DoomerVlogs Batman isn't stupid for his no killing rule. It makes him better than others because if he kills it makes him just as bad as a murderer.
@DoomerVlogs The thing about that is if Batman were to suddenly drop his no killing rule he would still never kill Joker because of their complex relationship with each other, because as Joker has explained tons of times both he and Batman need each other, and Batman knows it's true.
Terry knows who joker was, like how we all know who al Capone was, it's just that bruse never tells him what it was like facing him, or atleast that's how I interpreted it
Yeah, he only says that Bruce mentioned all the other guys, but he never talks about the Joker, not that he doesn't know about the Joker. Everyone in Gotham, heck, most of everyone in the world and some of the galaxy know about him, but they don't know him.
theres a difference between knowing someone as a figure, and knowing about them on an almost personal level.
In late but they gave Joker the Freddy Kruger treatment. They don't talk about him or acknowledge his existence
Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker is one of the best animated DC films ever made. It includes easily one of the best if not the best Death of The Joker.
I agree. I loved the film too.
Sad mask of the phantasm noises
Close with the Arkham Joker death.
I'll tell you one underrated Batman movie is Batman The Mask of the Phantasm. To me that was one of the best performances of the Joker.
To me, Mask of Phantasm is the best Batman movie.
Hands down!
I don’t think it’s underrated. It was the only animated superhero movie to ever a theatrical release, until the limited one for The Killing Joke, after originally being intended to be straight to video.
It was done on a budget of $6million. Released on Christmas Day of 1993, to very good reviews.
But, it was rushed into theaters with almost no promotion, and probably didn’t make its budget back.
It was up against Philadelphia, Wayne’s World 2, Schindler’s List, Tombstone, and Mrs. Doubtfire, which were all December releases.
It was only in one theater near me for maybe two weekends.
I would say it was definitely underrated for quite a few years, until the 2000’s. Now, both Mask and Sub-Zero, get praised as two of the better animated straight to video Batman movies.
It’s usually in the top 3, if not number 1, on animated Batman lists, and has ranked highly on lists of the best Batman movies animated or otherwise.
I've always thought so too....although I do think that it's significantly LESS underrated now than it had been for the first 20 years of its existence. And as this trend continues--cuz it has shown no signs of slowing or stopping--we will soon come to point where it won't be underrated at all. It will be very appropriately rated,I guess. Obsessive people on the internet (such as myself) have that effect sometimes. A somewhat similar thing happened with that old TV show Twin Peaks. I've always loved that show,and for a very long time I thought that I must be one of very few people who does. But that wasn't an accurate assessment,as it turns out. And those many fans of that show wound up turning a lot of new people on to it in the last decade or so. I'm convinced that this more than any other single factor is why we finally got a third season in 2017.
@@CorbCorbin I'd only read that initial comment before replying. Which is why some of the things I said are very similar to things you've already mentioned. To be fair,in the moment I thought that I was actually contributing something new to the conversation. But I'm too damn lazy to seriously consider editing my previous reply. And yet not too lazy to make an entirely new one somehow.
I see kinda Terry as the love child of Batman and Spider-Man.
I do see the similarities between Batman Beyond and Spider-Man.
Especially in those scenes right at the end
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE I WAS A KID
No wonder it grew on me, because those are my top two favorite super heroes
He is bruces son biologically
No no it’s not that Terry doesn’t know about the joker it’s more, Bruce never talked about him. I imagine Bruce like all old men would talk about his past exploits teaching Terry lessons through story. But Joker... that’s somthing Bruce wasn’t willing to talk about
I think Terry is just implying that Bruce never went in depth about his relationship with the Joker, I assume he has the basic understanding that every ordinary Gotham citizen has of the Joker... however that being said I would kinda find it funny if this was a “Freddy vs Jason” scenario where after the Joker’s death all of Gotham just fucking burned every document and evidence of his existence to forget him as soon as possible.
"The show did a piss poor job at making threats for the character."
Major disagree there; Blight is one of the better antagonists in the series and effectively WAS the catalyst for Terry donning the hood. He was manipulative, cold, and where the Joker had pure insanity and was hell bent on psychologically destroying Batman, Blight was a tyrant who viewed him as nothing more than a massive thorn in his side. Not to mention the famous line:
"You killed my father."
"Do you have even the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"
Honorable mentions to Inque, Shriek, Spellbinder, and the Royal Flush gang (even though they're technically not original, they are most definitely unique takes on them)
Vee infuso : Terry isn't the second coming of Bruce Wayne
People who watched epilogue : cute
@Zedrik Allen ah shit I forgot
@Zedrik Allen F that, "epilogue" came out in 2005, spoiler alert my ass. Terry being Bruce Wayne "basically" incarnate (DNA) is Amazing. Amanda Waller actually did what was right for once, because she's right, there will ALWAYS be a need for a neutral Hero in the DC universe. willing to take on corruption in both the crime and hero worlds.
@@greekjoker127 No keeping a epilogue a secret is a running memo from the yt channel Watchtower Database.
@@greekjoker127 I feel what they are trying to say is that terry didn't HAD to be the second coming of Bruce, including by being a biological son, because it isn't necessary for him to be a heir to the mask, until you know they changed that later on because it seems only blood is good for heirs
That twist at the end of epilogue was pure shit. Terry worked so well because he wasn't batman, he was a kid that stumbled into Wayne manor off pure chance.
Having his abilities be the byproduct of Bruce's DNA, and adding an element of fate with him becoming batman despite the project being abandoned kinda cheapens the whole deal.
"It's nice seeing your heroes grow up and mature."
Exactly what we need more of in American comics. But as you said old school fans and most writers hate anything new or different.
Even though I personally agree and I loved for example the Logan movie, I recommend an amazing video on this topic by Patrick Willems. Short version: "Do you want to see Mickey Mouse grow old and mature?"
@@ondrejlukac5769 Not comedy cartoon characters like Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, superhero comics and action shows with a mature plot and actual character development. If mangas can do it and make money, then maybe American comic companies can learn something.
The MCU seems to be doing that.
@Jiggus Figgus I Know Right! Sounds like it was written by a 12 year old. That’s why I love Elseworlds; other imprints like Vertigo & Indy comics. Usually they go pass that nonsense
I may be on a different account but this is like the 5th time I’ve seen you now
Second favorite scene in this movie is easily Terry taunting the Joker at the candy factory and Joker legitimately getting pissed off about it. In all the years Joker has been a villain the one thing you very very rarely saw was Joker being humiliated, someone else pulling the pranks at his expense. As a matter of fact the only other time I've seen someone truly get under the Jokers collar by making a fool of him was during Batman TAS (The Animated Series) when Joker is tricked into thinking he's inherited Edward Barlowe's (a major crime boss) fortune, a whopping 250 million dollars after suffering significant money problems. Only to find out most of the money he received was fake. FYI I say "most of the money is fake" because to convince Joker he is actually rich the first 10 million of the money he receives is real, the rest however is totally fake. A plan Edward "King" Barlowe set into motion after his death so Joker could never get his revenge. The Icing on the cake is Barlowe had a video prepared for when Joker once he realized the money was fake so Joker could watch him have the last laugh from beyond the grave.
In this episode you learn 2 things about the Joker. 1. If Joker had any restraint at all he would've still walked away with 10 million dollars but he blew it all in like a week. 2. the one thing Joker is more afraid of than Batman is the IRS. 😂 If you've never seen the episode its called "Joker's Millions" its a classic give it a watch.
I’ve seen just the clip of joker saying I dont fuck with the irs lmao
The scene also demonstrates that while Terry is Batman, he isn’t Bruce and that Batman is more than the man wearing the suit.
The other time this happens is in Joker’s Favor when the guy fakes him out with his own trick bomb
Joker scared of the government taking his money makes sense, that’s what we all agree with on his part
TERRY: I THOUGHT YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE BATMAN LAUGH
JOKER: YOUR NOT BATMAN
ME: COLD AZ ICE 😬
I would have personally picked 'Batman: mask of the Phantasm' but, fantastic video and review of the film nonetheless! - J🃏
I value them equally to be honest
Joker moment
I agree with you WHOLEHEARTEDLY
I would personally choose Frank Miller's- The Dark Knight Returns
I would personally choose Batman Red Hood
20:40 You know, I never realized the irony in how Joker laughed at Bruce's origin story, only for then Terry to laugh at his. It really is a taste of his own medicine 😂
“The second robin, Tim Drake”
Jason Todd: “Am i a joke to you?”
In the DCAU there was no Jason Todd
@@pwlpc og teen titans didn't fall into that continuity right?
@@arcanefury3666 Yes
But Jason's status of existence is also kinda unclear in the OG Teen Titans show
Tim being second Robin changes now because of the new comics for BTAS TAC
I like to think that Terry did what Miles would do with Spider-Man, never replacing the original but honoring him while having an identity of his own
The chip that Joker used was made out of Cadmus technology whatever that means
(It’s explained in Justice League episode Epilogue)
@Zedrik Allen ah shit I’ve betrayed Watchtower database
Cadmus Labs is a tech company
CADMUS cloning tech was used to make doomsday in Justice League
@@ZION73082 And Galatea eg DCAU Power Girl.
CADMUS basicaly owns most of the shady, yet highly-advanced tech, including cloning Superman in multiple ocasions resulting in Doomsday and Superboy. The later being obviously the suscesful atempt.
I like to think That Terry does know about the Joker to some degree, but only as much as the rest of Gotham does.
The Jokerz gang have been around since the first episode. However, they were almost always treated as minor threats primarily being used for throwaway fight scenes. Their actions were mostly limited to generic gang activity and street crime rather than being the terror of Gotham.
This ended up being one of Terry’s greatest assets in the movie. Rather than treating the Joker as a terrifying monster like Bruce Wayne and commissioner Gordon, he got the upper hand when he treated the Joker as a has-been with bad jokes and a lame clown gimmick.
Indeed it is! Mark Hamill gave his greatest and darkest performance as the Clown Prince Of Crime.😊
He was darker in the Arkham games pls
@@gurllbye4056 I was reffering to the DCAU.
Better than Heath Ledger
I’m a product of my time, Hamill to me embodied The Joker perfectly and all he had was his voice.
@@gurllbye4056 not really, he comes close, but he didn’t give a child Stockholm Syndrome.
But terry didn't say he didn't know about the joker he said Bruce never mentions him
I understood why he didn’t know about the Joker, He’s like Gotham’s Freddie Krueger, they wanna put that memory to rest and erase the memory of him, act like he was a legend and the new generation probably wouldn’t care to know etc,
I mean not even Bane, Two Face was referenced.
@@lewisaino Bane makes a cameo in one episode as an old man broken by his addiction to Venom. Two-Face also makes some cameos but as a mannequin in the Batcave, even in Return of the Joker
Partly what I was thinking, also how many teenagers would know the name of a killer two generations passed, the jokerz gang members prob don't even know where their own getup came from just saw ppl doing it and got passed on. along.
That moment when the narrator tells the audience to “shut up”. Perfection!
This title is very correct. This was probably the greatest. Well that or Mask of the Phantasm
I watched this movie when I was 5
I had nightmares about Joker breaking into my home and strapping me and my family down onto a chair and then killing them in front of me! I would wake up as soon as I heard the gun shots.
Damn do you need a hug
You having nightmares about cartoons villians my guy lemme guess Rita repulser from power rangers prolly made piss your pants at 11 right and when hulk hogan turnt a bad guy and joined nwo you locked yourself in the closet smh
@@SuaveChystmas16 you should really see the Joker face when he meets Bruce in the movie
@@SuaveChystmas16 lol relax. Kid was 5. If I'm not mistaken your timeline is also screwed up. I think NWO heel turn happened before this movie. I KNOW Rita Repulsa Power Rangers was bc I was 4 or 5 when that show came out. I was in my preteens when Batman Beyond came out.
@@tonyibraham5931 yeah that Hogan heel turn happened in 96, this dude is an asshat.
I cant get over how in my country Batman Beyond was just straight up called ''Batman From The Future'' and it was still the tightest shit ever
Ты из СНГ.
Lmao
Of course Terry knows who the Joker is, he's asking for more intimate details about him, things only Batman would know.
Like the Toxin
I watched this movie as a kid, and the scene where Joker showed Tim Jokerised is the moment I stopped seeing the Joker as simply an evil clown, and saw him as a truly psychotic monster
“Want to know how to defeat me? It’s right here on my neck.” *Points*
Yeah that is a weak point, the joker is so confident that he doesn’t care if he is monologing
That sentence about Terry asking about Joker never bothered me because it always felt implied he knew of the Joker, but the details of facing him has never been shared like the others because of how traumatic it was.
“The second Robin Tim Drake”
Jason Todd “and I took that personally”
it's funny because now there's comics set in this universe that show us Jason as robin, and since they gave time his comicbook origin, they gave Jason tims comic-book origin
Can we acknowledge how similar Wayne Manor looked to Terry's dad's place back in episode 1? Sure it wasn't actually the Jokers who did the deed but that imagery must have got him even more worried
I was kind of looked at Terry not knowing about the joker being that Bruce never described him like the other villains. Terry knows who the joker is but it's the one villain Batman always refused to talk about.
That's interesting about the DB censorship for the American audience. Fine with them being in pain for eternity as long as they don't die because THAT would scar children...
even weirder that it already aired in the US 3 seperate times with all the death and gore prior to the kai release
@@GhengizKanye Not to mention their nonsensical censoring of One Piece. Oh god that one left so many scars...
Granted Return of The Joker is great but the biochip macguffin cheapens an otherwise fantastic twist. Tim Drake being corrupted by the Joker and genuinely becoming convinced that Batman is the real villain for turning children into expendable weapons is a far more compelling narrative because it actually introduces moral complexity to the story.
Mayyybeee, the biochip is just an activation key switch to make Tim Drake who might have forcefully received multiple personality disorder, do to what the Joker did to him? If so, Tim may return again a the Joker without the chip if he's traumatized again.
The biochip isn't a mcguffin. It has a purpose and is actually an important plot point. Its how the movie is resolved
Not everything needs moral issues. It's a kids show, they want children to be important characters.
A macguffin is an object that's obtainment or the search for it is the center of the plot. The biochip isn't a macguffin.
Thats stupid. Batman didn't turn Tim Drake into anything. Tim chose to be Robin. Same with Dick. If Batman didn't train them they'd end up doing something dumb and dangerous and likely end up dead instead. Tim probably would've been a criminal or something and Dick would've become a vigilante anyway or gone to juvee after chasing down his parents killers and dishing out vengeance. Why the fuck would you be convinced as an adult that you were a child soldier because the psychopathic idiot dressed as a clown tortures you as a kid and says so. That's not moral complexity, thats moral stupidity.
The biochip was pretty stupid though, i'll give you that. Should've been psychological conditioning triggered by keywords and triggers, like the winter soldier. But maybe thats too intense for a kids cartoon?
Terry McGinnis is quite frankly my favorite Batman.
Matt McGinnis the best Robin👍
Me too
Yeah
Me to
Mine is mark hamil
Couldn’t agree more I’ve probably watched this movie over 30 times
I watched this movie everyday of my childhood and I still watch it as an adult
It's probably the most underrated of all batman movies, and my personal favorite. Always has been. Throughout both my childhood and adult life, nothing has ever dethroned it in my eyes.
My only regret is they made him related...I always loved when he was just a new guy trying to live up to the legend.
Wdym (im new to this btw)
@@beastedninja3757 he’s his own but I guess Bruce somehow put some of his blood with Terry’s dad so he’s directly related semi clone son of Bruce. Hence his black hair.
@@beastedninja3757 In Justice League Unlimited, it's revealed that the Cadmus organization artificially implanted Terry's mom with an embryo made from Bruce and Selina's DNA. It was a narrative decision roundly decried as stupid because it devalued the role of Batman and Terry's arc.
You referred to Terry as Bruce's ward. Bruce never adopted him. Great review
didn't need to, that's his son by blood
A ward of the state means Bruce adopted him. He didn't. You can't call a kid somebody's ward if they weren't adopted. If he called Terry his SON then fine. Plus it was never flat out stated that the Justice League knew that Terry was Bruce's son before Epilogue. Superman made a vague statement at the end of the Call, but the creators never flat out said that the Justice League knew it
Man, I have been thinking about it since 2015 and I am still thinking it now: Terry has been able to do something Bruce never could: Get under the Joker's skin; the joker can dish it out but he can't take it. I keep on thinking that if the joker became Terry's rogue's gallery in the future, Terry would also not kill the Joker but the Joker would always escape arkham over and over again and kill people in arkham just to escape but not to try to mess with Batman to break his no killing rule but to try escape to GET BACK and Terry/Batman just to get the last laugh.
Imagine this: Terry fights the joker and terry throw one liners at Joker and the Joker is pissed and is eventually defeated by terry and is sent to arkham. Joker is usually laughing when Bruce took him to arkham but if Terry does it, Joker would be angry because of Terry getting under his skin and would escape arkham killing arkham workers just to get back at terry just to get the last laugh; as we all know Joker always wants the last laugh. Bruce's actions of bringing Joker back to arkham just to break out again leads to the Joker killing more people. Terry's actions of bringing Joker to arkham would result in Joker escaping killing people just because Joker wants the last laugh and payback at Terry. This sounds like a concept the Joker would do considering how we see him play these games with Bruce and how he reacts with Terry getting the better of him. Terry would be a batman that Joker would care about figuring out the identity of; he doesn't care about the identity of the original batman because that was part of the fun for him but for Terry he would want to know his identity because the best way to ensure Joker would get the last laugh on future batman is to really hurt Terry by let's say attacking his loved ones and the best way to attack his loved ones is to figure out future batman's identity; this would really show the difference between 2 batmans foils between Joker.
I would love a animated movie focused on flashpoint joker
Under the Red Hood was the Greatest Batman Movie...
The Dark Knight Returns > Under the Red Hood.
@@aidenpierce2482 which pales in comparison to Batman Ninja
The DCAU has always had technological and genetic developments beyond what we have in the present, usually explained eventually as Cadmus, so a chip that stores and unleashes genetic change isn’t completely inconsistent. It’s crazy enough for Joker to do, and if Batman finds out, it makes it personal which suits Joker fine. Even better in fact.
Terry does know about the Joker. He just didn't know how he died. Throughout the series, Terry mentions and references him a couple of times.
I’m probably gonna re-watch this later now cause of this vid.
It is really odd that Terry didn't know of Joker as he's even worked with the Justice League including Superman. There was even Bane & Mr. Freeze not to mention Joker's still one of the most feared, if not the most feared, villians in all of DC. Keep in mind DC has guys like: Darkseid, Doomsday, Brainic, Lobo, & Trigon all of which have destroyed planets very easily. Minor detail but Joker vs Terry in the Batman Beyond suit in a fair fist-fight should've been over absurdly quickly as the suit is incredibly powerful
Was return of the joker after the animated beyond series? I thought it preceded it
@@gurllbye4056 it's after
Considering that Tim Drake is an engineering genius and Joker's suit is oddly shiny, I think the implication is supposed to be that he's wearing his own enhancement suit.
He probably held back because he didn't want to hurt Tim Drake
What I always found as one of the most interesting aspects of this series was the absence of Dick Grayson. I wondered as a kid, "but wait where's nightwing"
Then as an adult I discovered that he's not there because Bruce and Barbara had an affair when Dick was going to propose to Babs, and she got pregnant by big Bats. She lost the kid, but it broke the relationship between Dick and Bruce to an unfixable state.
Dam, dirty Bruce
My people! You're gonna get a few people who're like "bUt It'S a CaRtOoN", but you could do worse than having the definitive Batman, definitive Joker, and highly imaginative set pieces and story that isn't a derivative of anything.
Hey Vee, I totally 1000% agree with you on this being the best of all Batman movies! Like you say this movie and show work on a level that they easily could not have in less capable hands. Terry is, in my opinion, a super underrated character in Batman lore and the only permanent successor Batman I'd accept. The whole Beyond era is just my favorite thing and I too really enjoy the "seeing our heroes grow old" bit that you mention. I also just generally like stories that take place after the majority of note-worthy adventures and are something of an epilogue (pun intended) to the main story. I know it wasn't out yet at the time Beyond first aired, but I like the fact that it takes place after all the world-ending stakes that occur in JL and JLU and just the comparative smallness of Bruce and Terry's adventures. On the whole, I couldn't agree more with your opinons on this film; top notch stuff!
Fantastic Video Vee! This is my favorite Batman movie as well. I love the blend of the past and present, as well as the fact that they updated us on so many characters lives. I still wonder though, who did Harley Quinn start a family with.
Oh, Terry knows who the Joker is, make no mistake. But... there's a difference between what history gets printed, and what the people who were there will tell you about it.
And when people refuse to talk about it, that makes it all the more important yet personal. Bruce was never the huggy feely type and this stayed with him, he’s not often open to Terry where it’s personal.
My favorite moment in this movie is towards the end when Joker has revealed he knows Batman's identity and while Joker is laugh is greatest laugh Batman dives through the window and gives Joker one of the most violent smacks in the face I'd ever seen in anything. There was so much rage behind that smack I thought he broke the Jokers neck or at least the prelude to Batman finally killing the Joker.
Skip to 1:33 in the link below if you wanna see what I mean
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Best part is how he doesn't give a shit about his secret identity. He only cares about Batman, who he is under the hood is not his business. The only best reaction after that was in the Harley Quinn show where he got some of the most hilarious reactions to finding out his nemesis's identity.
@@MrKlausbaudelaireJoker: Where's my electric car Bruce
The kill counter of The Joker in this movie goes sky high.Imagine how many people were killed in those buildings,when he hit them with the laser gun.
This is one of my favorite bat reviews I've ever seen. You perfectly captured the cheeky puns in your script. I'm just so delighted over here at all the little touches.
no credable threats?
curare? inque? the stalker?
terry has a lot of threatening villians. hell, terry confided in max that how he had issues with inque because he could never beat her without help.
aside from that, great vid, vee. :)
Blight seemed to be a damn credible threat too
@@Jammermaker him too. in fact, terry never got to beat him before he died.
The most powerful villains usually end up being the cause of their own downfall
Batman Beyond was a pretty underrated series. I really enjoyed it.
Me too
I got to say the joker was easily defeated in batman beyond: return of the joker
He went into an improve skit with a plan
He wasn’t dealing with the Batman he was used to sparring with, he was dealing with one ready to play on his psychological level and one not burdened by his shared history with Bruce’s Batman.
Also! With the reveal at the end of Harley being the grandmother its also revealed that shes alive!
We see her falling off into darkness during her fight with Batgirl with her unable to save her, so its hinted that both Joker and Harley died that day (tho her body wasnt found)
so it was like the best thing ever knowing that she survived and had a nice life once the joker was gone
Another excellent video! Keep up the good work, cause now I gotta go rewatch Return of the Joker 👍🏼
This movie is an absolute masterpiece. I’ve watched it twice and I never got bored. Oh and vee, when we going to get some of that vee on bee action?
I've been saying this years! Also under the red hood is extremely underrated
UTRH is not underrated at all, far from it. It's one of the most highly rated Batman movies along "Mask of the Phantasm" and "Return of the Joker". Every review of that film sings its praises... it's a perfectly well rater movie.
If you do find reviewers/fans/articles that underrate it, I'd be curious to know about them...
Your comment is underrated.
No no.... we all love Under the Red Hood
Batman:Beyond is desperately underrated, not even just in the Batman Canon but also just cartoons in general. The style and how they designed this world is beautiful. I was obsessed with it as a kid, especially the different villains they got to do because of how the tech worked, Inque was a personal favourite
Interesting video. And I’m quite surprised that you featured Kevin Conroy near the end of it
I just saw this movie a couple of weeks ago for the second time in a long time - and yes, it's awesome. Wow, what a coincidence with this video.
Mask of The Phantasm is always gonna be my all time fave
You referencing King of Thieves is the exact reason I subscribed just now. Thank you my good man.
8:10 in an earlier episode with shriek demanding Batman’s life, Bruce is fine with what he thinks is terry neglecting the sacrifice given the public’s opinion that the new Batman should give his life so they don’t have to suffer. Bruce is so emotional in that episode that he’s willing to go against what he started decades ago just so Terry’s safety isn’t compromised.
I think it’s intentional that he’s being selfish because he’s established the first bond he’s had with someone likely since Alfred died
I think Batman: Mask if the Phantasm is the best one. I just really like how Bruce was shown in it.
After the microchip is destroyed. The satellite drifts off into space. I always thought what if the Joker somehow uploaded his conscious into the satellite thus a possible sequel for a future hi-tech Joker.
09:20 - Terry probably did know about the Joker prior to this event, but Bruce just never mentioned or gave insight about the Clown Prince of Crime to Terry, because of the events seen in the film. Some memories are just too painful to bring up.
21:52 oh come on Bruce will outlive us all. He's to stubborn to die
Yeah he is especially in return of the dark knight part 2
I love this movie but better than mask of the phantasm and under the red hood?
Batman and wrestling AND King of Thieves...are we the same person?
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I seem to remember Bruce Timm (or was it Paul Dini?) who addressed the damage done by the beam in this film and how many people were harmed. He said everyone conveniently got out of the buildings before they were zapped and the drivers got out of their cars before they exploded or fell off the broken roads.
Personally, I thought that was hilarious!
Even though this is definitely one of the greatest pieces of the DCAU, _Mask of the Phantasm_ is still the definitively best Batman film of all-time.
This one, Mask of the Phantom, and Red hood are the best
Tim breaking down in tears after killing the joker will always be an amazing/emotional moment.
Also, one detail I love to point out in this film that I've picked up on over multiple viewings is the coorelation between the events of the flashback and Joker's larger plan in the film (dealing with his cheating mortality). This is in that by "Joker-izing" young Tim Drake he is, in a way, letting Bruce know what he really did during the weeks Tim was missing, showing Bruce (who he didn't expect to live on to the future had his plan suceeded) what Tim would become, while at the same time serving as a perfect cover in that the torture Tim endured would seem horrific enough that Bruce and co. wouldn't think to even look for the chip. It all plays into your point about the Joker wanting Batman to know what he did, as was shown/stated in Under the Red Hood in the interrogation scene. A truly brilliant movie that just works on so many levels!
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What did you think of "Mask of the Phantasm"?
I gotta go with Mask of the Phantasam myself but Return of The Joker is really freaking good
I like in the episode "Epilogue" they explain that the Joker used the Cadmus tech to brainwash and transform Tim Drake
Nice video on one of the best Batman films. I agree with the things you said about the whole predecessor thing.
Every time a guy who's not Bruce puts on the cowl, they just seem like an imposter (I know most of them were just taking his place for a bit and so on. But still it just doesn't work for me.)
Terry, on the other hand, felt like a different guy. He had parts of Bruce, but he also managed to be his own man. Currently Batman Beyond is the only character besides Bruce who is worthy of the Batman name to me.
How about a Mask of the Phantasm review next??
I always read it as, when Terry says “you never talked about the Joker” he means BRUCE never talked about him. Not that Terry didn’t know the normal parts the public knew.
The writers were so good at their jobs that they not only dignified ace the bat-hound, but gave his name a genuinely heartfelt backstory that basically ties the entire DCAU continuity together.
This was the film that gave the WB DC Animation the desire to continue to push the ratings on their future animation films. So wonderful that we have PG-13 and R rated DC animated films.
Based on earlier conversation in the movie, you can infer that Terry knew about the Joker in a general way. All Terry said was that Bruce doesn’t talk about him.
Major props to Andrea Romano, not only was casting and voice director, but also got a tear out of me when Tim Drake, still laughing, breaks down as he realizes what has happened.
I loved this animated feature. The Joker keeps referring to Terry McGuinus as "Bat-Fake"!
Always glad to see this movie get some love. For myself, Mask of the Phantasm barely edges it out but this was, for a time, a wonderful coda to the entire Batman Animated Universe storyline until the JLU episode "Epilogue" a few years later. I always wished the show had gone on for another season or two as, you were right, we were seeing Terry finding himself in the role and towards the end of Season 3 we began to clearly see Terry as Batman.
I liked your critique of Terry as Batman. I always felt that they took what worked for Peter Parker as Spider-Man and just applied that to Batman. I think the only reason he didn't have as memorable a Rogues Gallery is that when you have a Rogues Gallery as memorable as the OG Batman, it's kind of hard to top that. They did have some interesting villains like Inque and Shriek. However a lot of these villains fell into the Marvel 2099 vibe and could never really catch on. Although they did have potential.
I've always loved Terry. Yes I was kid watching this series/movie but I always got the vibe of Batman Beyond basically kinda being "what if a near-Peter Parker clone became batman instead of spider-man", and I love it.
I've been on a 90s/early 2000s animated batman kick lately, I adore this movie even as an adult.
Good video Vee!
Fantastic video you uploaded
17:53 I agree with you on most of these but what about Jason todd as batman ? im curious about your thoughts on that or what about two face as a batman but these versions im talking about come from batman battle of the cowl
I’m suddenly imagining Barbara dropping the cowl and then being a beat cop who causally takes out criminals her first week on the job while her partners stare slack jawed at her abilities!
This is my position
These Batman movies are the best in the DCAU movies
Batman Mask Of The Phantasm, This movie, Batman The Dark Knight Returns 1 & 2, The mystery of Batwoman, Sub zero, year one was pretty good it’s like the precursor to the dark knight returns
These right here are gold
Terry not knowing the joker kinda fits into jokers fear about being forgotten. Like it definitely is bad writing, but that’s my one pass I’m giving 😅
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Ummm, he was never gone???
Just happened on your channel tonight. Great video. How the hell did you get Kevin Conroy ?!
One thing that I don't think is touched on enough, is that the joker genuinely hates Terry. He sees him as a mockery of batman and is legitimately offended by the idea that anybody would even dare think they could be him. Just goes to show the relationship between batman and joker