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@@speedypichu6833ISP showed a gif of a rat dancing it some video some time ago. Everyone loved the rat and wanted to see it again. So he showed it, and people still wantrd to see it again. If I'm not wrong with my rat-lore, he showed it like 4-5 times already, but people still want to see it again, me included
I'd say that with Estonia, Latvia, Sweden and Denmark all having "plans" for Finland in their focus trees, USSR is not the immediate threat to it despite historical precedent 😅
@@samotter9509 I'm pretty sure that at least two of them can just spontaneously cause civil war in your country. Imagine playing on random focuses OR against people and having to fight two civil wars while soviet player laughs at you...
I hope they modify at least the Estonia one appropriately for a proper "handshake" with the new Finland tree. I am not sure if Estonia getting Mannerheim is OP but Finland getting all the Scandinavian plus Estonian generals for free is already insane.
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Can confirm. If you play the historical route, you have to actively try to actually LOSE the Winter War. I mean... I messed up popularity, lacked manpower, cosplayed the Dutch by fortifying my borders, gradually lost provinces. When I was low on manpower, Simo Häyhä stepped out of the forest, offered me >10k manpower (historically accurate, of course, as the Finnish are known to give birth to adults on skis), went back and increased war support by getting his face blown off. After reducing the Soviet Army's experience level to pre-purge levels and killing double their soldiers, I got my peace treaty losing nothing of value, received 5 railway lines by virtue of caffeine overdose, engaged in the continuation war and grew Finland by 50% using one port, 14 divs and 50 naval bombers. You get rewarded for screwing up. WTF is this expansion?
@@Finn_the_Cat To be fair the only other way to accurately represent the Winter War would have been to debuff the Soviets into nearly unplayable during the Winter War and without having completed their army reforms.
@Arthion exactly, the winter war for the soviets wasn't exactly a cakewalk saying as it took three months to take a country with a population similar to the neighboring city Leningrad, of course us as the player know the war will come but Finland not so much only mannerheim had the political forsight to see it was possible, or paranoia whichever one you want to call it. They could have shoved the soviet debuff of the purge but that probably still wouldn't work because the soviets are just that strong compared to Finnland, maybe add a buff for political comisars orders overriding the commanding officers order as the comisars were no help. One example The Armchair Historian gave was the commander wanting to retreat but the comisars wanting to attack in the mannerheim line area so the comisar threatens to shoot the commander and they attack and get a bunch more men killed before the comisar gets shot and now his opinion no longer matters and they retreat. I'm just blabbing now so I'll stop but I think the path they took for Finnland is just fine
@@Finn_the_CatIt took them over 3 months to advance 50 kilometers on the Karelian isthmus to the outskirts of Viipuri, which was then handed to the Soviets. They never took the whole country.
Much like the similar USSR achievement, you can lose individual tiles as Finland so long as you don't lose control of a state. I withdrew from the few tiles that could get attacked from like 4 sides and still got the achievement.
@@TauShasla When you build enough forts on the border, you don't need more than around one army of units there. After that you can churn out the cheap unit that has a pawn insignia as port guards and give them the general who can get Improvisation Expert off the bat. Putting your navy on strike force in the gulfs of Bothnia and Finland will keep your naval supremacy out of the danger zone for a while at the start of the war while you churn out your port guards, and it can be boosted more with naval intelligence from your spy network. If worst comes to worse you can also use Plant False Intelligence to make it look like your ports are overstacked so the AI won't attack.
Ukrainian farmer, minding his own business. Finnish tank, held together with glue and duct tape, after driving thousands of kilometres from workshop in Helsinki appears. Lithuanian guy gets out of the hatch, yelling: "NO TIME TO EXPLAIN! WE'RE FINNS NOW! GET IN THE TANK!"
Almost all of the Finnish generals have some batshit insane starting stats and traits, if it wasn't for 0 manpower or starting economy they would be a super easy map painter.
As Finland if you take the fascist path, you can peacefully annex all the Nordic countries. So then if you form the Nordic Empire you can get all the Nordic countries (+Estonia from different focus) as core and keep all your OP buffs. It's broken!
Hey ISP can you play the Liechtenstein Mod that has been released lately. It has custom Focus and Achievements(I mean "Liechtenstein [Arms Against Tyranny Support!]")
Battles of the Winter War (not in order): Battle of the Raate Road: Finnish victory Battle of Kelja: Finnish victory Battle of Kollaa: Finnish victory Battle of Salla: Finnish victory Battle of Suomussalmi: Finnish victory Battle of Summa: both won once Battle of Kuhmo: Stalemate (no winners) Battle of Honkaniemi: Soviet victory Battle of Taipale: Finnish victory Battle of Tolvajärvi: Finnish victory Battle of Varolampi Pond: Finnish victory
@@SapFeaRon Yes, the winner on paper but the Soviets lost almost all of the battles and suffered heavy losses. The outcome was the only possible way the war didn't last many decades because Stalin was humiliated and wanted to be the winner on paper (have you seen the Russian documentary of the Winter War? It says the Soviets wanted to end the war as much as the Finns did because they understood they could never get through the border areas). It's available on CZcams (I can link it if you understand Russian). The idea was to occupy Helsinki and get the same exactly outcome as with the Baltic countries (at first: ,"fair" demands and then to get all)
@@SapFeaRon The real plan of Stalin was to annex Finland, not just having small pieces of it (Stalin's general promised Finland as a birthday gift and that's also admitted by the Soviet Union after the Stalin's era. It was part of the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact). If the plan was to take whole nation but it ended up getting only tiny piece of it with heavy losses then I wouldn't say they were the moral winners. In the US they say it was a moral victory for the Finns and I can understand why. Stalin wanted to get whole nation and he'd do if he felt it was possible.
@@SapFeaRon Lol, I can't see you studying it if you don't even know the basis. Stalin made those fair demands to the Baltics too but what happened to them? That was just Stalin's way to make things easier (asking a little bit without fighting and then taking it all). Stalin didn't play fair game (he also broke the non-aggression pact with Finland. That was another way to make war easier to him, better odds - Finland wasn't prepared because they thought the pact is genuine). You really should watch the Soviet version of the Winter War because their actual veterans share their story: The original plan was to take everything because that was part of the secret deal of Germany and the Soviet Union
@@RockerFinland again, considering that finland was engaged in idea of greater finland and had nationalists in power, i don't think they innocent in this conflict. We don't know who provoked conflict, we only have claims from both sides. And worst part is both could've done it.
democratic finland into finno-russian confederation is actually a lot of fun especially the moment when other scandi countries give you like all of their resources for free
Hi ISP I did the don't lose a single province achievement and can recommend getting non-aggresion pact at about December 1938 and get Estonia through focus and then release them as puppet and use their troops to garrison the little island. Also I build level 5 forts almost across the entire line and didn't build Mils until 1939 I think. Also at the very start sold my French tanks expensively and then sold all my convoys until I got Estonia expensively. Ohh and had the very crappy 6 w with eng along the coast line and had lvl 3 naval forts and was convoy raiding with the subs since war start. Ohh and I build 2 or 3 supply hubs but can't remember and did the rails to level 2. Started first 50 pp with anti-democratic raids to stop losing public trust and then press censorship.
I know the Finnish language thing was a joke but if you want to know what they are saying: Valmiina! - Ready! Käskynne! - Orders! Käskystä/Selvä! - Alright Herra upseeri! - Yes, officer (or something like that) Liikkeelle!/Liikettä!/Vauhtia!- Move out! Eteenpäin! - Forwards! Perääntykää -retreat! Mua tulitetaan! - We are under attack! Mars! - Go on! Hakkaa päälle! - Strike upon them Hakkaa Päälle Suomen poika - Rough 'em up/Strike upon them Finnish boy/son of Finnland Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika! - Rough 'em up son of the north! (or Strike upon them son of north!) Tulta munille! - (straight translation) Strike them in the balls! Hakkaa päälle, Hakkaa päälle, Hakkaa päälle! - Rough 'em up, Rough 'em up, Rough 'em up! Here's a translation sheet, it should have almost all of them but I think 1 or 2 are missing not sure
Curiously as a spanish speaker I know Hakka Päälle for the Age of Empires 3 mercenaries, the Hakapells: basically caalry with low hp for being mercs (mercenaries are stronger version of the regular versions), but really high damage I liked to use them to raid villagers since inncombat they can last very little
next time playing finland, you should use finnish winter-logisitics, rangers with left side and long range patrols for i think 50% attack and defense in snow + reduced attrition, you also get insane amount of initiative. this way you should easily be able to beat the soviet union 1v1
I played Finland religiously prior to this update, and almost every time I had to go spicy brown or hot rod red to get barely enough manpower to hold off the Soviets in southern Finland alone, and that was with cheesing on all the choke points. Normal non aligned was almost always a death sentence, but in my latest runs you don’t even sweat while having a single 15 width division in every border tile. And that’s as non aligned historical. You can even push with that and I’ve capitulated the USSR as Finland before the Germans even attack now. Finland straight busted
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I got the lose no core Achievement already. What I did was to get rid of your starting leader asap so the balance of power for the new guy starts at 0. (You don't have to, just my preference.) Then i did political unity and got the +200 man power guy. You really need him before the winter war begins. Just Ban Facism so it does not tick up and start getting neutrality up. Keep spawning units and go for the focuses that increase recruited pop factor. Now as soon as world tension hits 25%, go down the army path that's locked behind it. The focus won't cancel if it goes below 25% tension. You can get the INSANE Buffs before the winter war begins. Savage and Retool, Mannerheim line, and Motti Tatics are really good. In the path you get Winter logistics and long-range patrol support companies. GET THEM on the units if you can. The buffs are way too good. (150% Initiative). You can loose tile and still get the achievement, just don't lose control of the state. The Aland Islands also get remilitarized, so rush a port guard out there. (The soviets love naval invading them) The starting 6width template is good enough. Move units around where need while spawning new ones ASAP. Once you are stable, then you can build up and attack the soviets. I beat the Soviets before the Germans declared war on them. Hope this helps and sorry for the wall of text.
I haven't played historical Finland yet, but during my brown shirt run, I used maintenance companies. They worked extremely well, to the point I was able to sell weapons and keep my armies well supplied. Besides that, a couple of supply hubs by the northern borders help if you have the time for those. Not a critique of your game play, simply wanted to pass on what worked for me for others.
Idk if they fixed it, but if you're playing the Soviets and you don't demand Keralia (and therefore don't go to war with Finland), the Continuation War still activates when the Germans attack. I was not expecting the surprise siege of Leningrad 😅
That's is how we defeated soviet onion. With our mobile recruitment centers we took down both big powers. I salute you ISP you played the events of history so well!
Played "historical" (neutral) Finland myself recently, it was pretty cool. But I just like larping and "playing tall" so to speak. Cored stuff taken from the Soviets in Winter War...then helped the Germans defeat the USSR (sniped the Baltics from the Germans), then helped the Allies defeat the Germans (got some of Russia). Wild game. Also played historical Norway but without capitulating. Was very easy. Puppeted Denmark and stole some navies. Shame I couldn't do the Nordic focuses though.
I'm with braun and isp to not bring the rat back (this is both a disguise to enter within there trust and reverse psychology. Join me in this endeavor, brother to bring back the rat)
Finnish General Adolf Ehrnrooth was visiting England in the 1970's. English general asked him how many Soviet troops were stationed in Finland. - A few hundred thousand, Ehrnrooth replied. - Where are they stationed? - Two metres deep under ground all along our Eastern border.
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My first game of ck2 formed Rome from my own custom family line after 7 successful emperor's my entire family line was murdered into oblivion over 100 characters some didnt even last a week it was funny and memorable.
Actual historical Finland: fights bravely against the Soviets but loses two wars to them in six years and only continues existing so the USSR will have a smaller border with Norway HOI 4 historical Finland: Vladivostok is rightful Finnish clay
@@diamondsarenotforever8542that not how war work tho the side that won is the one that accomplish it military objectives , the Soviet set out with the goal of getting the warm water port and buffer zone for Leningrad which they got so they are the winner by definition
@@diamondsarenotforever8542 buddy that is just fact that the Fin loss both of their war against soviet , just because the fact doesn't go with your fantasy doesn't mean it ain't real ( idk in what world do you think losing 13% of your land which contain major industrial hub as well as port and the second largest city is count as a "victory " )
@@huyhoangtahuu9733 For your disappointment Finland is much much more better country than Russia. Finland is a prosperous Nordic country with Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. They all have a high standard of living. World economic Forum conference in Switzerland Davos ranked Finland the best country 2019 and World happiness index report ranked Finland the happiest country six times in a row 2018-2023. All the other Nordic countries are among the ten best and happiest countries. They are at the top in almost every category. Russia achieved nothing.
Really makes you wonder what this game would look like if it recognized how much instability over doubling your land and population would cause in the short term, especially people who are tech comparable to you.
Im surprised you just went for a simple hold-strat against soviets for your first video. I thought for sure like me the first thing you'd try is to win the winter war with all 3 states you can get as concessions from the soviets.
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Yeah you get the Finish historical for free with no DLC. Also I played Finland and I was only defeated because the soviets sent 2 naval invasions at the same time and didn't have enough troops to cover all 3 fronts so was forced to give up Karelia
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@@speedypichu6833in a few videos ISP put a dancing rat in the intro
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@@speedypichu6833ISP showed a gif of a rat dancing it some video some time ago. Everyone loved the rat and wanted to see it again. So he showed it, and people still wantrd to see it again. If I'm not wrong with my rat-lore, he showed it like 4-5 times already, but people still want to see it again, me included
I'd say that with Estonia, Latvia, Sweden and Denmark all having "plans" for Finland in their focus trees, USSR is not the immediate threat to it despite historical precedent 😅
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except that all those countries have tiny industries and equally wose fronts (or in the baltics case no front at all)
@@samotter9509 I'm pretty sure that at least two of them can just spontaneously cause civil war in your country. Imagine playing on random focuses OR against people and having to fight two civil wars while soviet player laughs at you...
I hope they modify at least the Estonia one appropriately for a proper "handshake" with the new Finland tree. I am not sure if Estonia getting Mannerheim is OP but Finland getting all the Scandinavian plus Estonian generals for free is already insane.
@@TheArklyte estonia can cause finland 2 have a civil war
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I'm sorry to tell you this, but the rat died a few days ago. It was suffering from the cringe and after an agonizing battle that lasted months it finally died. RIP RAT
Finland feels like your typical busted single-nation workshop mod. It's kind of bonkers.
Can confirm. If you play the historical route, you have to actively try to actually LOSE the Winter War. I mean... I messed up popularity, lacked manpower, cosplayed the Dutch by fortifying my borders, gradually lost provinces.
When I was low on manpower, Simo Häyhä stepped out of the forest, offered me >10k manpower (historically accurate, of course, as the Finnish are known to give birth to adults on skis), went back and increased war support by getting his face blown off.
After reducing the Soviet Army's experience level to pre-purge levels and killing double their soldiers, I got my peace treaty losing nothing of value, received 5 railway lines by virtue of caffeine overdose, engaged in the continuation war and grew Finland by 50% using one port, 14 divs and 50 naval bombers. You get rewarded for screwing up. WTF is this expansion?
@chemicalderrick if it was historical Finnland, fully historical, it wouldn't be fun, you'd get your ass kicked, so fun over realism
@@Finn_the_Cat To be fair the only other way to accurately represent the Winter War would have been to debuff the Soviets into nearly unplayable during the Winter War and without having completed their army reforms.
@Arthion exactly, the winter war for the soviets wasn't exactly a cakewalk saying as it took three months to take a country with a population similar to the neighboring city Leningrad, of course us as the player know the war will come but Finland not so much only mannerheim had the political forsight to see it was possible, or paranoia whichever one you want to call it. They could have shoved the soviet debuff of the purge but that probably still wouldn't work because the soviets are just that strong compared to Finnland, maybe add a buff for political comisars orders overriding the commanding officers order as the comisars were no help. One example The Armchair Historian gave was the commander wanting to retreat but the comisars wanting to attack in the mannerheim line area so the comisar threatens to shoot the commander and they attack and get a bunch more men killed before the comisar gets shot and now his opinion no longer matters and they retreat. I'm just blabbing now so I'll stop but I think the path they took for Finnland is just fine
@@Finn_the_CatIt took them over 3 months to advance 50 kilometers on the Karelian isthmus to the outskirts of Viipuri, which was then handed to the Soviets. They never took the whole country.
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Much like the similar USSR achievement, you can lose individual tiles as Finland so long as you don't lose control of a state. I withdrew from the few tiles that could get attacked from like 4 sides and still got the achievement.
how do you make them not naval invade you though? that allways kills me
@@TauShasla When you build enough forts on the border, you don't need more than around one army of units there. After that you can churn out the cheap unit that has a pawn insignia as port guards and give them the general who can get Improvisation Expert off the bat.
Putting your navy on strike force in the gulfs of Bothnia and Finland will keep your naval supremacy out of the danger zone for a while at the start of the war while you churn out your port guards, and it can be boosted more with naval intelligence from your spy network. If worst comes to worse you can also use Plant False Intelligence to make it look like your ports are overstacked so the AI won't attack.
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Same for Netherland too
Ukrainian farmer, minding his own business.
Finnish tank, held together with glue and duct tape, after driving thousands of kilometres from workshop in Helsinki appears.
Lithuanian guy gets out of the hatch, yelling: "NO TIME TO EXPLAIN! WE'RE FINNS NOW! GET IN THE TANK!"
XD
Almost all of the Finnish generals have some batshit insane starting stats and traits, if it wasn't for 0 manpower or starting economy they would be a super easy map painter.
considering you can WC with nation without any cores/0 manpower at start...
As Finland if you take the fascist path, you can peacefully annex all the Nordic countries. So then if you form the Nordic Empire you can get all the Nordic countries (+Estonia from different focus) as core and keep all your OP buffs. It's broken!
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Hey ISP can you play the Liechtenstein Mod that has been released lately. It has custom Focus and Achievements(I mean "Liechtenstein [Arms Against Tyranny Support!]")
what's the name of it?
I wonder how the *Liechtenstein mod* is called🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨🤔🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
LICHTENSTEINREICH: WHAT IF LICHTENSTEIN WON WW1
@@dinusbdinusb1958 suprise suprise, its called Liechtenstein(Liechtenstein [Arms Against Tyranny Support!]) on workshop
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I am a simple man, I see ISP video, I watch.
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Is the rat the reference to the mega campaign or something else
@@rkfan101he had a gif of a rat dancing in a few old videos in his intro
Battles of the Winter War (not in order):
Battle of the Raate Road: Finnish victory
Battle of Kelja: Finnish victory
Battle of Kollaa: Finnish victory
Battle of Salla: Finnish victory
Battle of Suomussalmi: Finnish victory
Battle of Summa: both won once
Battle of Kuhmo: Stalemate (no winners)
Battle of Honkaniemi: Soviet victory
Battle of Taipale: Finnish victory
Battle of Tolvajärvi: Finnish victory
Battle of Varolampi Pond: Finnish victory
winner of war - soviets. Winner in paradox game? nation with latest dlc.
@@SapFeaRon Yes, the winner on paper but the Soviets lost almost all of the battles and suffered heavy losses. The outcome was the only possible way the war didn't last many decades because Stalin was humiliated and wanted to be the winner on paper (have you seen the Russian documentary of the Winter War? It says the Soviets wanted to end the war as much as the Finns did because they understood they could never get through the border areas). It's available on CZcams (I can link it if you understand Russian). The idea was to occupy Helsinki and get the same exactly outcome as with the Baltic countries (at first: ,"fair" demands and then to get all)
@@SapFeaRon The real plan of Stalin was to annex Finland, not just having small pieces of it (Stalin's general promised Finland as a birthday gift and that's also admitted by the Soviet Union after the Stalin's era. It was part of the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact). If the plan was to take whole nation but it ended up getting only tiny piece of it with heavy losses then I wouldn't say they were the moral winners. In the US they say it was a moral victory for the Finns and I can understand why. Stalin wanted to get whole nation and he'd do if he felt it was possible.
@@SapFeaRon Lol, I can't see you studying it if you don't even know the basis. Stalin made those fair demands to the Baltics too but what happened to them? That was just Stalin's way to make things easier (asking a little bit without fighting and then taking it all). Stalin didn't play fair game (he also broke the non-aggression pact with Finland. That was another way to make war easier to him, better odds - Finland wasn't prepared because they thought the pact is genuine). You really should watch the Soviet version of the Winter War because their actual veterans share their story: The original plan was to take everything because that was part of the secret deal of Germany and the Soviet Union
@@RockerFinland again, considering that finland was engaged in idea of greater finland and had nationalists in power, i don't think they innocent in this conflict. We don't know who provoked conflict, we only have claims from both sides. And worst part is both could've done it.
democratic finland into finno-russian confederation is actually a lot of fun
especially the moment when other scandi countries give you like all of their resources for free
Hi ISP I did the don't lose a single province achievement and can recommend getting non-aggresion pact at about December 1938 and get Estonia through focus and then release them as puppet and use their troops to garrison the little island. Also I build level 5 forts almost across the entire line and didn't build Mils until 1939 I think. Also at the very start sold my French tanks expensively and then sold all my convoys until I got Estonia expensively. Ohh and had the very crappy 6 w with eng along the coast line and had lvl 3 naval forts and was convoy raiding with the subs since war start. Ohh and I build 2 or 3 supply hubs but can't remember and did the rails to level 2. Started first 50 pp with anti-democratic raids to stop losing public trust and then press censorship.
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I know the Finnish language thing was a joke but if you want to know what they are saying:
Valmiina! - Ready!
Käskynne! - Orders!
Käskystä/Selvä! - Alright
Herra upseeri! - Yes, officer (or something like that)
Liikkeelle!/Liikettä!/Vauhtia!- Move out!
Eteenpäin! - Forwards!
Perääntykää -retreat!
Mua tulitetaan! - We are under attack!
Mars! - Go on!
Hakkaa päälle! - Strike upon them
Hakkaa Päälle Suomen poika - Rough 'em up/Strike upon them Finnish boy/son of Finnland
Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika! - Rough 'em up son of the north! (or Strike upon them son of north!)
Tulta munille! - (straight translation) Strike them in the balls!
Hakkaa päälle, Hakkaa päälle, Hakkaa päälle! -
Rough 'em up, Rough 'em up, Rough 'em up!
Here's a translation sheet, it should have almost all of them but I think 1 or 2 are missing not sure
Curiously as a spanish speaker I know Hakka Päälle for the Age of Empires 3 mercenaries, the Hakapells: basically caalry with low hp for being mercs (mercenaries are stronger version of the regular versions), but really high damage
I liked to use them to raid villagers since inncombat they can last very little
>Finnish Russia leader portrait
I can't
next time playing finland, you should use finnish winter-logisitics, rangers with left side and long range patrols for i think 50% attack and defense in snow + reduced attrition, you also get insane amount of initiative. this way you should easily be able to beat the soviet union 1v1
when he showed his template I was amazed he wasnt using the insanely broken support companies
I love people just trying to pronounce finnish words, like kokoomus, you spell it like you write it, kokoomus
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Imagine someone invading your country just after your country was annex a few years earlier and just handing you a tank and telling you to go wild
I played Finland religiously prior to this update, and almost every time I had to go spicy brown or hot rod red to get barely enough manpower to hold off the Soviets in southern Finland alone, and that was with cheesing on all the choke points. Normal non aligned was almost always a death sentence, but in my latest runs you don’t even sweat while having a single 15 width division in every border tile. And that’s as non aligned historical. You can even push with that and I’ve capitulated the USSR as Finland before the Germans even attack now. Finland straight busted
Great wars waged. Monuments built. Roads traveled. Though all that's left are faint imprints. Flashes of glory and desolation sing through the rat's mind. A memory of what once was. The rat's tail shifts. It's eyes follow the hole along the wall to the ground. Thinking.
Mr. ISP the rat is remembering.
I got the lose no core Achievement already. What I did was to get rid of your starting leader asap so the balance of power for the new guy starts at 0. (You don't have to, just my preference.) Then i did political unity and got the +200 man power guy. You really need him before the winter war begins. Just Ban Facism so it does not tick up and start getting neutrality up. Keep spawning units and go for the focuses that increase recruited pop factor. Now as soon as world tension hits 25%, go down the army path that's locked behind it. The focus won't cancel if it goes below 25% tension. You can get the INSANE Buffs before the winter war begins. Savage and Retool, Mannerheim line, and Motti Tatics are really good. In the path you get Winter logistics and long-range patrol support companies. GET THEM on the units if you can. The buffs are way too good. (150% Initiative). You can loose tile and still get the achievement, just don't lose control of the state. The Aland Islands also get remilitarized, so rush a port guard out there. (The soviets love naval invading them) The starting 6width template is good enough. Move units around where need while spawning new ones ASAP. Once you are stable, then you can build up and attack the soviets. I beat the Soviets before the Germans declared war on them. Hope this helps and sorry for the wall of text.
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Excellent to see the continuation, chap!
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Going for the ski ranger company and winter attrition company makes things way easier
Classic ISP starting a meme (the rat) and us fans yelling it at him until the end of time...
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I haven't played historical Finland yet, but during my brown shirt run, I used maintenance companies. They worked extremely well, to the point I was able to sell weapons and keep my armies well supplied.
Besides that, a couple of supply hubs by the northern borders help if you have the time for those. Not a critique of your game play, simply wanted to pass on what worked for me for others.
Idk if they fixed it, but if you're playing the Soviets and you don't demand Keralia (and therefore don't go to war with Finland), the Continuation War still activates when the Germans attack. I was not expecting the surprise siege of Leningrad 😅
rat give us the rat
Ah yes, much historical, such trivia. I remember Greater Finland owning all of Russia lol
"I'm gonna do a historical route here" *beats up USSR and Germany*
I think Iceland is free just to troll ISP
Finland actually was the most happy country in a recent survey.
Finland Stronk! Thanks for the video.
That's is how we defeated soviet onion. With our mobile recruitment centers we took down both big powers. I salute you ISP you played the events of history so well!
YEA THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY HISTORIC!
This video was so unintentionally hilarious.
ISP, if you enjoy Finland so much give "My Summer Car" a try. :^)
Prologue to the Finno-Korean Hyperwar
WE WANT THE RAT, THE PEOPLE DEMAND THE RAT!
please organise a playlist for your achievement hunting videos
Oh finally, good content to take away my dark thoughts after what I was reading(Terrible things happend in Chechenia)
gravy, Timmy
When in Lublin go wild!!
Played "historical" (neutral) Finland myself recently, it was pretty cool. But I just like larping and "playing tall" so to speak. Cored stuff taken from the Soviets in Winter War...then helped the Germans defeat the USSR (sniped the Baltics from the Germans), then helped the Allies defeat the Germans (got some of Russia). Wild game.
Also played historical Norway but without capitulating. Was very easy. Puppeted Denmark and stole some navies. Shame I couldn't do the Nordic focuses though.
I'm with braun and isp to not bring the rat back
(this is both a disguise to enter within there trust and reverse psychology. Join me in this endeavor, brother to bring back the rat)
"You know what they say, when in Lublin go wild"
Rats, rats, we want the rat! He hunts at night, he stalks at night, his the rat!
4:11 the usa owns new foundland 💀
WE WANT THE RAT ALL HAIL THE RAT
Uraliin! Uraliin! 🇫🇮
Finnish General Adolf Ehrnrooth was visiting England in the 1970's. English general asked him how many Soviet troops were stationed in Finland.
- A few hundred thousand, Ehrnrooth replied.
- Where are they stationed?
- Two metres deep under ground all along our Eastern border.
We demand the rat
1:56 is goofy kokyymys
Now this, is epic.
The principality of Yoshkar-Ola...
THE RAT SHALL NOT BE DENIED
GRAVY TIMMIES!
HEAR THE PEOPLE “I S P” WE NEED THE RAT, YEARN FOR IT EVEN. IT COMES IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS THAT ONE SEES FIT TO CUT TIES WITH THEIR OPPRESSORS. YOU ISP have become our OPPRESSOR. Now give us the rat we deserve or you shall be removed. thanks!
Dry content, no rat
Isp we won't stop demanding the rat, GIVE US THE RAT
November is coming. March of The Eagles is waiting.
At first I'd actually thought you'll go to secret monarchist path.
I love when he plays historical
Good you Finnished this game
Helvete
Perkele
My first game of ck2 formed Rome from my own custom family line after 7 successful emperor's my entire family line was murdered into oblivion over 100 characters some didnt even last a week it was funny and memorable.
ISP: Finnish them!
I really like your video's
Heh the Finnish mechanised recruitment division 😂
When Finland becomes Thickland (got it? got it? GOT IT?!!)
You needed trucks and armored trains
i just called my elderly grandmother to tell her that ISorrowProductions uploaded!
Actual historical Finland: fights bravely against the Soviets but loses two wars to them in six years and only continues existing so the USSR will have a smaller border with Norway
HOI 4 historical Finland: Vladivostok is rightful Finnish clay
Finland retained its independence and freedom. That's a victory.
@@diamondsarenotforever8542that not how war work tho the side that won is the one that accomplish it military objectives , the Soviet set out with the goal of getting the warm water port and buffer zone for Leningrad which they got so they are the winner by definition
@@huyhoangtahuu9733 is this what Russia's troll factory told.
@@diamondsarenotforever8542 buddy that is just fact that the Fin loss both of their war against soviet , just because the fact doesn't go with your fantasy doesn't mean it ain't real ( idk in what world do you think losing 13% of your land which contain major industrial hub as well as port and the second largest city is count as a "victory " )
@@huyhoangtahuu9733 For your disappointment Finland is much much more better country than Russia. Finland is a prosperous Nordic country with Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. They all have a high standard of living.
World economic Forum conference in Switzerland Davos ranked Finland the best country 2019 and World happiness index report ranked Finland the happiest country six times in a row 2018-2023. All the other Nordic countries are among the ten best and happiest countries. They are at the top in almost every category. Russia achieved nothing.
LUBLIN MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOOOO
Really makes you wonder what this game would look like if it recognized how much instability over doubling your land and population would cause in the short term, especially people who are tech comparable to you.
Murmansk region - historical territory of Finland
Been married to a finnish woman for 12 years, moved there and barely understand the language and I'M from sweden.
swedish, norwegian and danish are all germanic languages, finnish isn't. that's probably why.
Im surprised you just went for a simple hold-strat against soviets for your first video. I thought for sure like me the first thing you'd try is to win the winter war with all 3 states you can get as concessions from the soviets.
Never been here with in the first min before lets go
I always love your videos isorrow
I’m kinda ill right now (I get colds live unbelievably easy and apparently the English weather is enough to make me sick today I’m so sad) - but life is okay because I have papa iSorrow’s video
My doctor agrees that it is indeed a cure to all known sickness 😚❤
So please keep making them or I’ll keep getting colds forever 🔫
YOU CAN'T HIDE HIM FROM US
Pain.
THE PEOPLE DEMAND THE RAT
ISP has to play Klugetown in EAW, so that he can give us the RAT🐀 in HOI4
Perkele!
11:54 how dare they bomb my lastname
Have fun playing Soviet Union in multiplayer.
would be funny to se some Hoi knockoffs, if there are any
Yeah you get the Finish historical for free with no DLC. Also I played Finland and I was only defeated because the soviets sent 2 naval invasions at the same time and didn't have enough troops to cover all 3 fronts so was forced to give up Karelia
Got sinus surgery. Good video. Swelling pls help
historical finland is pain
Castilian Finland moment