Does Frodo ever see Sam again after The Lord of the Rings?
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2024
- Today we follow Frodo's journey to Valinor after the War of the Ring. Why does he leave and does he ever reunite with Sam?
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Sam and Frodo… the greatest love there ever was
Sam’s wife in shambles…
@@MiddleEarthExpress Who says Rosie didn't know? I say she knew and was fine with it. Sam's heart was more than big enough for both her and Frodo. Sam didn't love anybody with conditions or limits.
It was a brotherly love not a sexual one...ffs why make everything gay 🤦♀️🤷♀️
@@beccaboo3040 joking! But they might honestly feel closer to eachother because of their quest together than Sam and his wife 🤷
@@beccaboo3040 nah. The Hobbits are all very gay, at least from my interpretation of things.
Contrary to popular belief, beings who are not immortal (which would include Dearves, Men, and Hobbits) don't age slowly in valinor. In fact, the stress of living with beings who don't need to eat or sleep, can put additional stress on the body. Although this would not manifest as pain or suffering, it could cause premature aging.
If Frodo did not prematurely age, he probably lived long enough to see Sam again (Bilbo was about 130 when he sailed west). If he did age prematurely, he may not have seen Sam until they met in the Halls of Mandos.
That's my understanding also.
But we don’t know if time passes in Valinor the same way it passes in Middle-earth. Considering their separation, it could very well be that many years in Middle-earth are only a few years in Valinor. Time may not have enabled Frodo to age before Sam got there, if ever.
@@12classics39by that reasoning 10,000 years could have passed in valinor and only 2 in middle earth
@@godlygamer911 Well 1 year for Elves is said to be 144 human years, in the appendices. Plus since Elves live forever that's another reason why time likely felt slower in Valinor. Remember in Lothlorien the hobbits felt like no time is passing at all.
@@12classics39 You seem to have completely missed my point.. 😂
The Sackville-Bagginses would’ve headed to Valinor just to yell at Bilbo for not giving them Bag-End earlier, no matter the terrain or danger, they would’ve made sure they’d get the house no matter what
Hahah probably true
I go with the interpretation you give of an extended life and healing allowing Frodo to surrender his life in peace when he is ready.
The image of the undying lands making him burn up his life quickly doesn’t make the journey to Aman seem like a gift, more a curse. We also have precedent of extended life and choosing to lay it down with Numenor. I get it is due to something different but it is a gift from the gods/God.
That seems more like what I think the text points to in the extending of this privilege (sailing into the West) to Bilbo and Frodo.
Yeah agreed, it’s not 100% certain but I think this was the intention, makes the most sense, and is what I personally lean towards and would like to imagine happened
I think too they lived there together
I don't think Frodo would have been alive. Tolkien mentioned somewhere that Valinor accelerates the death of non-elves. Frodo was literally sailing into death when he left the Grey Havens.
Sad take but definitely a possibility
After Gollum died at Mount Doom, the spirit of Smeagol must have gone to the Halls of Mandos. I wonder if Frodo, Bilbo and eventually Sam ever had a chance to reconcile with Smeagol.
Sméagol was a tortured soul who most likely found no relief even in death
Smeagol was a hobbit of sorts, and related to the race of men, who do NOT go to the halls of Mandos when they die. The Valar themselves know not what happens to men when they die, that is for Illuvatar only to know truly. So no.
@@gloredonMen - and thus likely hobbits too since they’re related to Men - do come to the Halls of Mandos immediately after death, but dwell there briefly before leaving the circles of Arda. We see this when Beren arrives in the Halls after his first death and refuses to leave Arda yet, knowing Lúthien is coming for him.
Very interesting video. I'll have to check out more of your videos!
Oh thank you! I think the video I just put out on Huan is pretty interesting & would love to see what you think. He’s a huge dog from early middle earth
he was a ring bearer so yes he did go to the undying lands to be with Frodo
I believe Sam and Frodo did reunite and lived out their days until their passing
This is my preferred ending for them as well
yes
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