The Messed Up Origins of KITSUNES | Japanese Folklore Explained
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Only if you promise no more selling your soul to corporate sponsorships, also you should cover the various different creatures in the Sonic games like Iblis or Dark Gaia.
Thank you for covering one of my favorite creatures and myths and legends I really appreciate it😂❤
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@@JonSolo Thank you for covering one of my favorite creatures in myths and legends I really appreciate it😂❤ are their going to be more Japanese legends in the future.
I love the fact that you respect people's cultures enough to find out how to say and pronounce the true word....
Yikes low standards much bare minimum
@@spicybeantofu ur just a trolling hater. Cuz most don’t do what he does and have the consideration to try to learn to pronounce different languages for his viewers and if you have a problem with him adapting and including other cultures and races languages; that’s on ur small dumb brain.
Can you talk about zombies? You’ve done werewolves, you’ve done vampires, you’ve done Changelings; it’s time you do zombies
Hopefully he will do it for spooky season
Hey you want zombies so bad that she want to be demanding them maybe you should make a page and doing about zombies yourself just a thought
Spoopy season 2024!!!
@@penguin-schluppstudio yesss
Meh, i could take it or leave it. Zombies are so overdone and overrated at this point.
Love that you’re doing Japanese folklore 🤍
Was going to ask if he could find something like this, there are so many cultures with folklore
And I bet the Japanese folklore would do him too.
@@sorasong9708of course... I wouldn't know jon solo (dbl jump NOW) if I hadn't read/watched "ju-on"
@@cynicalminion The joke is that Japan is full of perverts
love this
If you give a fox a statue, it will want a horse ride.
If you give a fox a horse ride, it will want nine tails.
If you give a fox nine tails, it will want godhood.
lmao! I legit thought of making a similar joke while I was editing this together... wish that came to me in the writing process! 😂
@@JonSolo Thanks for the work you do! I'm a huge fan and I enjoy everything you put so much care and effort into.
One of the messed up things about the "seizure episode", is that the sequence with the flashing lights was actually caused by Pikachu, but the entire Porygon family were the ones that got banned from the anime. Porygon had a few, very brief, cameos, and the only appearances Porygon-2 and Porygon-Z ever got were a blink-and-you-miss it cameo in one movie for barely a second.
There's so, so many creatures from Japanese folklore that could be covered. One that comes to mind is the inspiration for Misdreavus that's a woman's head that comes off her body and floats around the house at night.
Wait! WHAT?🤯
That episode makes me wonder how the animators coped putting that together
I was thinking that too. I would imagine creating the scene wouldn't be risky, just going frame by frame and changing the color wouldn't trigger anything... but they obviously had to watch it at least once in real-time before they gave it the final stamp of approval, right? you'd think someone would have been triggered or at least felt like their eyes were gonna blow up like mine did.
I wonder if after that, anime was restricted in the lights and flashes it could use. Or, at the very least, were required by law to post warnings about scenes causing epilepsy at the beginning of shows
@@Embermoon91 Pokémon Shock also affected video games. Also, Porygon and its evolutions were victims of circumstance as the former happened to be the Pokémon of the Week.
It could be spoken with different dialects too! You are not lazy dude, how can anyone say that?? You clearly put so much effort forth and I love your content!!!
Dialects are the biggest reason I don't sweat pronunciation unless I'm talking to someone who is actually fluent (not just repeating what they heard from an online source).
I was thinking that when listening to the different ways it's pronounced. Just about every language spoken by millions of people out there has different dialects; the way the language instructors (both human and electronic) pronounce the word is just one way of pronouncing it.
Look at the English language. You have different dialects from each country that speaks it, not to mention certain terms found only in certain countries or regions of that country. For example, the rear storage of a car is called a "trunk" in the U.S., but it's called "boot" in the U.K. Likewise, the part that covers the engine is called a "hood" in the U.S., but "bonnet" in the U.K.
That's the thing with a lot of older nations, travel used to be a lot harder so dialects, especially in Europe popped up naturally, often sounding like completely separate languages.
Yea, honestly all three can be considered correct. It all depends on where in japan you are
"Kitsune" is not Japanese script, it's Latin. All you have to do is stop calling 700 000 000 people "non-Americans" because to you they're jsut avocado-picking animals, and learn the LATIN pronunciation. That people were kind enough to transcript Japanese words INTO, including 狐.
It jsut seems like a lot of effort dedicated TO being lazy. You seem federally hell-bent on treating Latin script as footnote to what it means to live on this continent, and instead create a divide unlike anything seen in Africa or Asia. Where "American" is a privilege only to federal subjects, while IMPERIAL subjects harvest your food without the protection of labor laws YOU could be voting for. And they cannot, because USA doesn't even uphold fair cross-national trade treaties. They have some sort of FAKE American rights for fake Latin America, because they don't swear fealty to ONE federal empire. That can't even pronounce how its words are written.
Starting with the fact, that English never was successful in inventing a written form so now you have to play games wriiting "keet-soo-nay" or "keat-snoo" or whahtever, pretend THOSE ones are the "more accurate" depiction. Because YOU KNOW that "kitsune" already utterly fails to replicate the sounds you pretend to understand through these written forms.
FINALLY, another yōkai! 🙌🏽
Something else to remember, Japanese doesn't necessarily do plural nouns in the same way English does. So one kitsune, two kitsune, many kitsune. Just like our words for deer and moose. But the pronunciation is definitely something western speakers seem to struggle with, so I wouldn't worry about it as long as you try your best and don't go way off the rails and do something like say kamikaze "came-y kays." Yes, I've heard someone say that.
"Ninja Gay-den", anyone?
😂😂@@JamesDavy2009
I was born in Japan. I love it when you talk about Japanese folklore. Btw, your pronunciation of kitsune is pretty good for a gaijin. Don't worry about anyone giving you a hard time..
"Lovecraft Country" has an awesome tale of the Kitsune. If you've not checked out the series, I think you would enjoy it.
Wish the series had more seasons
it's been on my watchlist forever but this is the first time someone's actually recommended it or said anything good about it, so now I've got some more motivation to check it out :)
Some people just don’t understand that every language has so many accents and sounds depending on so many factors. Look at English, leading it from different places creates an accent so don’t worry.
You are saying it very well. Some people will sound like they say it Kitsne because the U is very soft but it is there. It’s like Desu. It sounds like Dess often because the u is a soft sound, you will also find some people say it more pronounced at times, both are correct so don’t worry I think you say it perfectly fine. Just try to say it with a relaxed tongue. Google is usually fine for single word pronunciation checking
Dont forget, that even though they might spell it the same there is still regional accents in Japan with how they pronounce their words, so phonetics might not always be the same.
we have long awaited the kitsune video since the tanuki one. also is tales from sonic a kitsune
I'm sorry I thought you were asking if he was a tanuki. Yes, he could be considered a Kitsune.
oh sorry i'll edit that but i meant kitsune@@charleswolfe8896
No, he is a hedgehog... Blue, but I'm WTFever when it cums (and it often does) to kitsune.
Yes, no, and yes.
@@charleswolfe8896 It could also explain why a tween (his oldest canonical age) has an aptitude with technology and can pilot a homemade aeroplane.
Love the last story.
The guy learned humility, payed what he owed and kept his word to the fox priest.
Awesome video as always Jon.
Penny's just like "Put me DOWN PEASANT!!"
Kitsunes are also references in Zelda: Majora's Mask with the Keaton Mask and using it to find a Keaton Kitsune in Clock Town that quizzes Link. ☺
If I could subscribe twice I would. Kitsunes have always been among my favorite topics in folklore. I would love to see The Messed Up Origins of other yokai, kappa, dragons, and maybe even Sumerian Mythology at some point.
Jon Shot First!
The pronunciation issue could also come down to dialect. Depending on where the person you ask grew up, they could pronounce or even have unique words to their home region.
I had first discovered the existence of kitsunes, because of Vulpix and Ninetales from Pokémon. I'm very glad that there's another Messed-Up Origins episode about Japanese flolklore. I would also like to see an episode about Ciptali, who is a sea monster from Aztec mythology.
I love how you try so hard to get the words right. You even show your work. As an American myself, I understand the struggle of learning a foreign language. My American tongue just can move like it needs to to pronounce certain words.
I would love to see more on Japanese folklore and mythology. All the different yokai and how they appear in modern anime and manga, as well as some of the main characters of Japanese folklore and mythology, like Kintaro.
In relation to your other video about the tanuki, there's actually a black-and-white cartoon that was released in 1933 titled "Ugokie-K-Ri-No-Tatehiki", which roughly translates to "Moving Picture - Fox Vs. Tanuki, Pulling Pranks". It was produced by Toho Studios, who would, two decades later, launch the kaiju genre with the first Gojira (Godzilla) film in 1954. There are several uploads of it on CZcams.
14:15 "that's impossible. There is no way I can say that!"
Thats me when I'm singing rap songs and they drop the n bomb, lol.
I actually research about kitsunes, thanks Jon for this episode so I can learn more of it.
For those wondering yes Kurama from Naruto is a kitstune
Uh, don't you mean from Yu-Yu Hakusho?
No, nobody's wondering or asking.
Fun fact originally naruto creaor Masashi Kishimoto was going to make naruto a kitsune
Kutsune would depend on which part of Japan you are from. Anime fan here. They seem to call them either 'KITSU' or 'Keetsunae depending on city or country speak. Your pronunciation is fine if you're a city folk. :)
I have always found futakuchi-onna to be both intriguing and terrifying. They're not normally covered, but there was one in Ms. Perigrine's Home for Peculiar Children.
Where exactly?
@@allaniadall9686 The little girl who had a mouth at the base of the back of her skull. She's in the movie and politely eats a chicken leg. It's actually a rather morbidly cute scene.
@@EBThisThat Oh that one. Yeah, I remember her.
So fun fact about the episode of Pokémon you mentioned, it could also have taken inspiration from Hachiko. He was the real life dog who waited at the same train station for his owner for 9 years unaware that his owner died suddenly while at work. Hachiko would actually be an interesting video idea too, there is a famous statue of him in Japan and Koromaru is Persona 3 is based on Hachiko.
Please do more Japanese Folklore. I've always loved this kind of folklore as well as celtic folklore. Love your content!
Don't worry if you feel like you're not pronouncing something properly. The content remains amazing and the research and time you put into looking up things that could have been brushed aside always comes through.
English speakers getting offended on behalf of the Japanese over “mispronunciation” of words they themselves have no idea how to pronounce is hilarious.
It\s what they are best at. Getting offended for other people who usually don't care one way or another
I love your video of this, the kitsune is one of my favorite mythical creatures 🦊
Even when they feel like this was about to be a love story it turned into a messed up origin story from the first part of it just look like this was going to be a love and easy going but it didn't didn't😂😂
Yay! was waiting for you to do this one!
Wow, Miles ‘Tails’ Prower must be a lot older than the teenager he seems to be
Nah, his tails just prove that he was just born with the mind and wisdom of a 300 IQ engineer. He got bullied for getting a headstart, if you will.
He is 8 years old, not a teenager.
@@DarkReaper12 we are agreeing that he is a kitsune that Jon overlooked though? Also wasn’t it mentioned in this video that a kitsune is thousands of years old before attaining nine tails?
@@Ravendarkwytch One millennium flat according to the lore.
Ooo this gave me some ideas for my own kitsune character! Great video, love hearing stories about kitsune!
I’m back again 😌 glad to see you still
Making videos they never get old. Always top tier storytelling
you have my full attention
Not gunna lie I love how he shows his mishaps and stuff I.e. showing that he’s accountable for his transition. It just makes me watch him more.🎉🎉🎉
OMG, JON SOLO!! TOTALLY LOVING THESE ILLUSTRATIONS!! 'Way to go and Many Thanks to your Artists! 💗💗💗
my new fav channel!
I love that you cover so many cultures myths and legends!
You briefly mentioned in another video the leanan sidhe, and I'd LOVE if you did a video on that! I've been falling down the rabbit hole ever since I saw the other video. (Sorry for the irrelevance of my comment to this video, I really enjoy your videos and actually absorb information which is great!)
Love death and robots has an episode about Kitsunes. It was amazing!! 🔥
Solo content? Let's go!!!
Hey Jon, please do a messed up origin of Korean folklore and mythology. Especially ones that are variants of them from other Asian folklore and mythology.
Maintaining the same pronunciation of the same word among different languages and regions is almost impossible, because how it's pronounced in its language of origin won't always accommodate another accent. If you listen to how English words are pronounced in Japanese, they'll basically never end on a consonant sound. Even the official pronunciations of English words are different in American, British and Australian. And I'm sure "kitsune" would sound a little different if you heard it in say an Osaka accent. I'd say the most important thing is to just do your best, but not get too hung up on the nuance.
Love this one! More Japanese folklore please!
Jon I have to tell you that I love your taglines of addressing your viewers as mere mortals, since we have been told to be careful when entertaining someone that might be an angel unaware.
The other one is your ending tagline of remember that Jon shot first, combined with bad company lyrics of they know us by the sound of our guns, of course they are the ones that gave up on the Sun and are thus called traitors.
Really enjoying your content.
Probably my favorite Messed Up Origins episode so far
This just made my day!
I'm actually writing a book about it kyuubi Kitsune
Thanks for the video.
I enjoy your content. It is always evolving. I am partial to the kitsune because it is in my kidos' favorite video game Over Watch. We all cosplayed for their 20th birthday. I dressed as Kiriko. She has a kitsune as part of her character. I even crocheted an amigarumi for a gift with one tail only. Ha ha ha. It was a blast😊 thanks again.
Thanks for this, I visited the Fushimi Inari shrine in Kyoto- it's beautiful. Also went to Zao village, love foxes.
I'd love to see more on Japanese folklore and mythology.
My Mom said you are saying it right. She used to work at an AD Agency and it was fun but Japanese and she learned a couple of the words. She's Facebook friends with a couple of them.
Id love to see you do a deep dive of the different mythologies in one piece also you make awesome videos
Love your vids.
Please do more Japanese folklore ❤
Sir you have out done yourself with this one thank you so much ❤
The tails made me think of Hulder(huldra) maidens from Norse mythology. I had a book about trolls as a child and they were always my favorite part.
I love Kitsune's because they're adorable in anime!💕🔥✨🦊
I would love you to cover some Irish mythology like more of the hero’s! Like cu chulainn or fionn mac cumhaill 😅
daaaag. so cool thank you
Thanks for another cool video. 👍🙂
Akita from LEGO Ninjago seems to be a kitsune as well.
Much great fan art for them as well.
I find the fox being considered an enemy of farmers in the west and revered in the east interesting. I have to assume their behavior around small livestock would be similar in either area. Thanks for the video.
Tamlyn Tomita, a japan born actress who played Noshiko Yukimura, a shapeshifting kitsune in the series Teen Wolf, Her Daughter in the series Kira Yukimura Played by Arden Cho (Miss Korea 2011 in real life) also pronounce this as Kit-Su-Ne. iv been faithful pronouncing it this way ever since. probably just sound like kits-neh when said fast. . . .like not hearing the U in Sasuke
@JonSolo Can you cover the folklore behind okami? Like the creatures in the beast scroll. There's sooo many unique creatures designs and I'd love to learn more about the inspiration behind them.
as a dedicated Okami enjoyer.......BRO WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A 2 HOUR VIDEO.
Okami does what Jon does.......but covers FAAAAAAAAAAR MORE.
there's Kamaitachi.....the red and blue ogres......the story of Princess Kaguya and Hitomi......the story of Issun and explaining how they handled the story of Susanoo-o and Orochi.....the Brush gods showing up as mostly signs of the Zodiac (with the exception of the Tiger and the Cat)........the scrolls possibly being a reference to itamomen and so on.
Okami is a who's who of Yokai and Japanese Stories.
it would take him FOREVER to deep dive into it. Not saying it cant be done........just wanted to point out it would take forever.
There are a bunch of vengeful and malevolent spirits you could do videos on, Kuchisake-onna and Yuki-Onna are both pretty interesting. That Netflix series Blue Eye Samurai references an Onryo which is another type of Japanese Demon Spirit. You have a mountain of Yokai lore to pull from for videos, of course the logical thing to do is make a Kappa or Tengu video after doing Tanuki and Kitsune.
You pronounced it way better then you did last time!
I fucking LOVE your shirt!
The first time I hears about kitsune was reading The Iron Druid Chronicles series. Possibly the funniest introduction out there.
Talk about these origins:
Triton
Ganymede
Dionysus / Bacchus
Pecos Bill
Joel Mcgherig
Captain Stormalong
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Thanks Jon 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Ahhhhhhhh kisune ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I cannot even begin to tell you how happy I am to see a video about fox myths.
I going to be that odd ball but I never really minded Red but now I know not to get on his bad side or else ill turn out like the guy in the last story can't wait to see other folklore creatures
Do one on the Kappa or the tengu next
I think he did the kappa already
Do more Japanese Folklore plz
The first story I ever heard about nine tail fox happened in a village, called Village, hidden in the leaves, and a boy wearing had a harness the power of the nine tailed fox
If you haven't yet you should do the origins of Hachishakusama ❤
I've done research on the Kitsune, and found that the more disreputable ones are called nogitsune, and they have an equivalent in China called the huliching. Interesting stuff that
This is one of your funniest videos I'm laughing as I'm saying this
I think an interesting suggestion if your into Japanese mythology I think definitely watch pom Poko, inuyasha, or even hell girl since it has a lot of folklore mythology as well as yambashi ganai which is Japanese horror.
take your time when you can. I'm interesting in more of what you talk about next
Love Japanese mythology. Can you do a video on yuki onna?
There is also a rich collection of fox legends in Chinese folklore and I once read a book [citation needed] that characterized kitsune in Japan as borrowed from the Chinese.
I have a suggestion for video before you retire. Did you ever do the mess up origins of Pluto the god of death
Just commenting for the algorithm ❤️
I hope you talk about Yuki-Onna someday too!
Known to Pokémon fans as Froslass.
I got the impression that it was "keets-ə-neh," with emphasis on the first syllable and the schwa sound in the middle de-emphasized. And I can _probably_ at least _somewhat_ guesswork "Ryōiki," but I'd probably mangle it.
And there are similar spirit fox entities in other Asian folklores. The Korean gumiho and Chinese huli jing spring to mind, for example.
A dream come true. My favorite creature of myth.
Hi Jon. I've been watching your Chanel Since last year. I *ppreciate your Content and the great humor you bring. Next Episode Of Messed up Orfgins, could you do one About Nekkos? 🎉😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤
@6:42 It's so hard to get pronunciation correct for a word. Hell, I'm from Canada, and the way we speak from the pacific coast, to middle of the country, to west coast, are ALL different. so one single word could be pronounced differently across and entire country.
"Scammers that try to steal your identity"
So what you're telling me is, I can cast Aura to protect myself from Fae?
That fox from Animal Crossing is the reason why recently I had to look up which art is fake in that game..
I got a kitsune tattoo bc my last name means foxlike and as protection symbol
thanks for making the content you do.
Hey jon i was wondering that since im 19 if im about to go on the greece trip?