How we read each other's minds | Rebecca Saxe

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2009
  • www.ted.com Sensing the motives and feelings of others is a natural talent for humans. But how do we do it? Here, Rebecca Saxe shares fascinating lab work that uncovers how the brain thinks about other peoples' thoughts -- and judges their actions.
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Komentáře • 397

  • @Dulee100
    @Dulee100 Před 7 lety +63

    She's really good at answering questions to the point

  • @HiAdrian
    @HiAdrian Před 14 lety +13

    Great talk.
    You can really see how she had no difficulty keeping the whole talk structured, non-repetitive and smooth. That's intelligence.

  • @themanofearth
    @themanofearth Před 14 lety +22

    I'm always amazed when I see TED videos.
    It's wonderful and I hope to attend as a presenter someday...
    Got a LONG way to go. :-P

  • @Jefferdaughter
    @Jefferdaughter Před 11 lety +15

    Joke- Question: What't the difference between ignorance, apathy, and indifference? Answer: 'I don't know, I don't care, and it doesn't matter to me one way or the other!' Kudos to the author of this for creating such a memorable way for people to understand the difference between the meaning of these words. "Communitacation is the problem to the answer." (70s song lyric) Understanding the meaning of words is a key to clarity in communication - and mutual understanding.

  • @vasosokratous1959
    @vasosokratous1959 Před 6 lety +2

    Ευχάριστη έκπληξη οι ελληνικοί υπότιτλοι! Ευχαριστούμε!

  • @yellowxpurple95
    @yellowxpurple95 Před 4 lety +30

    The interviewer at the end is breathing so loudly into the mic haha

    • @smythe7480
      @smythe7480 Před 4 lety +1

      Haha came to the comments to make sure I was hearing correctly 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @edmundustimmo
    @edmundustimmo Před rokem +4

    precise and understandable in explaining the topic, I learn a lot from this video

  • @blueckaym
    @blueckaym Před 9 lety +10

    Brilliant presentation!
    And great finale
    "... and then, after careful reconsideration, getting them wrong again."
    :D

  • @briarroseO
    @briarroseO Před 2 lety +3

    What an interesting discovery, and a wonderfully delivered talk. Thank you

  • @LFOVCF
    @LFOVCF Před 11 lety +4

    Love her sense of humor!

  • @leslieanne226
    @leslieanne226 Před 7 lety +31

    2009? I thought this was from the 90's by how it looks... Damn I feel old..

  • @westboundNinja1
    @westboundNinja1 Před 14 lety +2

    I really do hope that This knoledge is never used for evil. I love TED and how at the end they thought about the same thing :)
    I wish that I could attend all of these events it would make me so happy to be in the same room as all of these people who have inspired me to do think better these past two years.
    Thanks TED
    I love you guys

  • @straycat3286
    @straycat3286 Před 8 lety +41

    well, but white suger IS indeed poisen ^^

    • @antdx316
      @antdx316 Před 8 lety

      +straycat3286 With improper nutrition and medication, it's hard to implement the correct mental pathing.

  • @Audra94braun
    @Audra94braun Před 11 lety +9

    she is so amazing

  • @MrJamesdryable
    @MrJamesdryable Před 13 lety +3

    to understand "the hard problem of consciousness" first we must understand the roles that physical processes play in creating consciousness and the extent to which these processes create our subjective qualities of experience.

  • @smaakjeks
    @smaakjeks Před 4 lety +1

    13:35 - It's good to know that the laughter guy from all those sitcoms in the 90's is still getting work

  • @willowtreephoto
    @willowtreephoto Před 14 lety +1

    i have a boy who is 4 years and 3 months old, and i've noticed that he has JUST developed the skill described in this video. very cool.

  • @chardochickentimber9109
    @chardochickentimber9109 Před 11 lety +4

    Geez this girl is smart...I had to watch this one twice. Brilliant!!!

  • @kakashi76767
    @kakashi76767 Před 11 lety +1

    What a wonderful talk.

  • @CableWrestler
    @CableWrestler Před 10 lety +3

    For those people who say quarters aren't magnetic, I suggest you search for eddy currents.
    If you pass a magnetic field over aluminium, it becomes temporarily magnetic. This applies to other metals as well.

  • @jleemar22
    @jleemar22 Před 3 lety

    Sent here becuase of a university class and was at first annoyed when i saw the length. It was riverting though. Well done!

  • @ErichoTTA
    @ErichoTTA Před 14 lety

    Great as always.

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 Před 12 lety +2

    Stunning lecture! Thank-you.

  • @marygracemdg
    @marygracemdg Před 11 lety

    was that British music artist Imogen Heap in the audience at 13:37 and at 13:54, and again at 16:44? Just curious...

  • @Solicitude7
    @Solicitude7 Před 14 lety

    Fantastic talk!

  • @josenoriega6016
    @josenoriega6016 Před 6 lety

    Very nice! Thanks

  • @jholeify
    @jholeify Před 12 lety

    @Rhoky Very well put.

  • @Wanderlust1972
    @Wanderlust1972 Před 9 lety +43

    I'm more interested in controlling peoples movements with magnetic pulses.

    • @riynfaeldan3439
      @riynfaeldan3439 Před 5 lety

      Summoning mesmer

    • @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow
      @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow Před 4 lety +2

      Like she said, you can't apply it without people knowing, and the effects really are small. For movement, all we're able to do is make those twitch-like reflective movements, since fluid, full movements are controlled by much more than just the primary motor cortex. The brain is one big organized network, not multiple blobs of activity doing their specialized job apart from all other specialized blobs. Which is why I'm sceptical of what she said here, but I guess I'll just read her articles and see if she had to simplify stuff for this talk :)

  • @Kimmehface
    @Kimmehface Před 11 lety

    I want to go back to school for researching development in children (especially language development) like this....but its so expensive to go back and I would have to quit my job probably :/ any advice?

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid Před 14 lety

    (cont...)
    it is these types of hiccups of the mind, that can be exploited to make people easier to hypnotize.
    This is why hypnotism stage acts are very popular. The very act of being on stage and being under that kindof mass pressure, allows a skilled hypnotist to more easily influence you.
    See also: The Eriksonian Handshake.
    Try interrupting someone while they tie their shoelace, their mind goes momentarily blank.
    I just thought i'd mention this, coz it's one of those interesting connections

  • @michaelsprawson3704
    @michaelsprawson3704 Před 10 lety +2

    No one can read another's mind. However, it's possible to figure out what someone means by what they say or do, by their known track record.
    Example; you can know the health status of a tree by the quality of its fruit, it's called context.
    Also, it's possible to INTUITIVELY grasp the true nature of strangers, ie, good or bad? But, only time will tell if you're correct; again, think context.

  • @eLurkr
    @eLurkr Před 13 lety

    its been a while since we've had an educational presentation

  • @MaximilianoIsi
    @MaximilianoIsi Před 14 lety +1

    great! really interesting and an excelent ending

  • @generationalist
    @generationalist Před 14 lety

    10s of thousands. It's a variation on the Sally-Anne test, used as one test to help determine developmental norms and is part of the tools used to distinguish abnormal child development. Numerous double blind examples of the test have been performed and consistent probabilistic results are obtained. So either the majority of 3 years olds think it's a trick question and respond the same or they really don't grasp it yet because they have not developed enough memory experiences/neural connections.

  • @ExertionDiver
    @ExertionDiver Před 11 lety

    CZcams is highly inconvenient for meaningful conversations. You know it.

  • @gjozefi
    @gjozefi Před 14 lety

    That's a VERY good observation. I'm wondering the same thing.

  • @mrhappyninja
    @mrhappyninja Před 14 lety +2

    that was REALLY interesting :)

  • @thijsjong
    @thijsjong Před 4 lety +1

    Is this RTPJ region different or smaller in adults with autism or other individuals in the Autism spectrum disorder?

  • @igorkrupitsky
    @igorkrupitsky Před 14 lety

    Now I would like to buy this Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) device. It seems that you can have a lot of fun with it.

  • @pinochska
    @pinochska Před 14 lety

    check out how voltage transformers work.. it could be the same "induction" that magnetises (dont know if that word exists) any metal placed on top of the machine. :)

  • @kaupaxup
    @kaupaxup Před 14 lety +1

    I think that's kind of the point. Those with a developed RPTJ (did I get that acronym right?) will correctly see the person as not being at fault. Those who have less function or disrupted function in this brain region, will "incorrectly" assign blame, just like the younger 2 children "incorrectly" assigned blame to the pirate who took the other pirate's sandwich without being able to know whose was whose.

  • @lumpfish99
    @lumpfish99 Před 14 lety

    the magnetic pulse made the muscles in the hand contract to push the coin....but if you are talking about the first coin jumping off the machine then i agree with you it is confusing.....

  • @1schwererziehbar1
    @1schwererziehbar1 Před 14 lety

    quite probably some RTPJ are a bit bigger or smaller than others. but most are pretty much the same.
    what really differs is how specialized they are and how active they get when you give them these specific problems. you saw that in her talk. you also saw that the RTPJs must become specialized over time. this means that if a child is not stimulated to develope the RTPJ (ie because no contact to humans,child soldier,etc) then it will have a less developed RTPJ as an adult.

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid Před 14 lety

    I think he's hoping for a nice solid explanation to "If our brains are so modular, in what part of our brain is our "consciousness" stored/experienced?"
    If she could point to a brain picture and say "right there!" it would have made him very happy. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like we're there yet.
    If you're unfamiliar with the concept. Browse the wiki article on "Hard problem of consciousness", and some related articles like "Qualia" and "Philosophical Zombie".

  • @MsRavinglunatic
    @MsRavinglunatic Před 12 lety

    @justpinahy It says in the title. Rebecca Saxe.

  • @cheesenutpea
    @cheesenutpea Před 14 lety

    what should I studie to become a neuroscientist?

  • @Evitability
    @Evitability Před 14 lety

    I seriously need to start padding my resume so that I can get invited to these talks and meet women like her...

  • @tiffchinfl
    @tiffchinfl Před 14 lety +1

    the talk was average but i found the interview at the end very charming!

  • @LloydieP
    @LloydieP Před 10 lety

    Love science. :)

  • @brossetti17
    @brossetti17 Před 14 lety

    i think im in love with this girl

  • @T33K3SS3LCH3N
    @T33K3SS3LCH3N Před 14 lety

    That sugar example reminds me of discussions about punishments such as death sentence.
    Many people beeing pro death sentence don't pay much attention to the criminals' motives and background.
    Might this be caused by a brain handycap...?
    Well, this is way too speculative to be taken serious but its just an idea :)

  • @marrychristmasaniegift749

    wow that's soooooooo good

  • @emiledingemans
    @emiledingemans Před 14 lety +1

    My Question: How does this region of the brain develops? By experiences and learning, or does is just grow when you age?

    • @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow
      @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow Před 4 lety +1

      Probably a combination of both. And thank you so much for asking this question. Neurology is usually content with the answer she gives in this lecture. Where's this function? In this area. Done. No more questions.
      Usually the brain and behavior develops through the mixture of genetic predispositions and the environment. This is why people with the same genes (identical twins) can end up having completely different personalities and in some cases only one of them having a severe disorder, while the other is completely functional. It has to do with the environment they were in, the foods they ate, the diseases they had, the amount of attention they got, and all those things. Psychology's still trying to figure out how that impacts the brain, how to screen for what kinds of backgrounds to identify risk factors and to help those people before they get a full-blown disorder.
      Probably, but it will be unethical to test because of obvious reasons, because we grow up in a social environment (humans are very social creatures), the brain adapts to the environment and creates a network which helps in social processing, since that helps the new human to adapt to its surroundings, to better predict what kinds of behavior will have good outcomes and which don't. As time develops, the brain matures, and the networks become more organized, it will understand the more complicated, cultural social norms and adapt to those again. And again and again until we have a culturally adapted brain to the specific social standards of the environment, able to reason from someone else's point of view. How and why, we still don't know, and how we can use this knowledge to help people with problems in self-other processing? The first babysteps have been taken but we still don't know.
      Sorry for the long reply 9 years after you posted this but I am currently writing a paper on self-other processing in the human brain and this talk shows some nice things but really irks me on others xD

  • @henrycardona2940
    @henrycardona2940 Před rokem +1

    16:20 "It's not called the hard problem of consciousness for nothing!" Haha 13 years later and she is still right!

  • @hiirscotty
    @hiirscotty Před 14 lety

    The brain is fascinating!

  • @samuelrodrigues9329
    @samuelrodrigues9329 Před 2 lety

    Se não tiver tradução fica difícil

  • @PhilJonesIII
    @PhilJonesIII Před 6 lety +1

    That was one very young MIT student. :)

  • @Shaunt1
    @Shaunt1 Před 14 lety

    I always think about this. I sometimes think of myself as the "ONE"

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid Před 14 lety

    there's something strangely satisfying with TMS. It's like a raygun, you can hold in your hand.
    pyew pyew
    shootin mind bullets

  • @reisele1980
    @reisele1980 Před 9 lety +24

    She didn't address whether the pirates would be able to recognize their own sandwiches by looking.

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid Před 14 lety

    Maybe a chip could be implanted into that portion of the brain.
    An artificial dedicated rTPJ.
    Since the brain seems so modular in function, perhaps such modular (ie: dedicated for specific localized functions, eg: the rTPJ) implants could work.

  • @lailayousuf413
    @lailayousuf413 Před 4 lety

    Love it

  • @ZorbinEUR
    @ZorbinEUR Před 14 lety +2

    haha very deep talk
    PS :u can hear the guy breathin at the end haha hes so loud

  • @JarodBenowitz
    @JarodBenowitz Před 10 lety +6

    I'm going to graduate school for neurophysics and I will solve the hard problem of consciousness.

  • @kaedenakajima
    @kaedenakajima Před 5 lety

    amazing

  • @midare
    @midare Před 14 lety

    What? Do you mean at 9:57? The labels are correct there. "Attempt" is when the girl thought the powder was poison and was ATTEMPTING to poison her friend but was using mislabeled sugar. Second column was labeled as "Accident" because the jar was marked sugar and the girl ACCIDENTALLY poisoned her friend by putting poison in her coffee when she thought it was sugar. Even her later graph at 12:46 is still correct... perhaps you should watch it again, Deepmind, it made perfect sense to me.

  • @Tanru2000
    @Tanru2000 Před 14 lety

    Nice spot!

  • @Urbaaniapina
    @Urbaaniapina Před 5 lety +1

    Whats up on 2018? Any progress on this field?

  • @mathew246
    @mathew246 Před 11 lety

    Am I the only one who noticed Imogen Heap sitting in the crowd?? It is definitely her! It's hard to tell on youtube, but if you go to Huffington Posts version of the video you can easily see it!

  • @stephlewis93
    @stephlewis93 Před 10 lety +2

    I really wish they edited out that breathing during question time.

  • @enigma1863
    @enigma1863 Před 5 lety

    This is almost ten years now. Is there an update?

    • @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow
      @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow Před 4 lety

      There are mulitiple new studied done with rTMS in psychology. You could use the website of scihub to find free articles regarding the subject of rTPJ and social skills. I'm currently working on a presentation on the effects of rTPJ stimulation on social skills, moral judgements, and whether it has to do with attention or not. The rTPJ is also very active in controlled attention tasks, and when asked about that Rebecca did not answer that in a satisfying way. So I'm currently diving into articles myself :)

  • @PonderLust
    @PonderLust Před 14 lety

    The guys last question was about the "Hard problem of consciousness", they are talking about the soul.

  • @guitarnukka724
    @guitarnukka724 Před 13 lety

    @htko89 i mean, we can't reeeally prove that the brain and mind are connected. a mind could be something more than we can understand. anything is possible..

  • @cinderdork
    @cinderdork Před 14 lety

    amen to that

  • @casachill7
    @casachill7 Před 11 lety

    I love smart people. I can't help myself. :)

  • @marrychristmasaniegift749

    cool love it assome

  • @mariumiqbal167
    @mariumiqbal167 Před 7 lety

    she is so smart

  • @matthewsyntax
    @matthewsyntax Před 11 lety

    Wow. Guy at the end is one heavy breather....

  • @ccm800
    @ccm800 Před 14 lety

    how do they identify the map of the brain? What does what?

  • @Elocho17
    @Elocho17 Před 10 lety

    Fascinating and I hope they continue their research and get the proper funding.

    • @SHERmusician
      @SHERmusician Před 2 lety

      Proper funding to kill empathy. Be careful what u wish for

  • @Ko252
    @Ko252 Před 12 lety

    @Rhoky This is also question free will.

  • @HandbrakeBiscuit
    @HandbrakeBiscuit Před 3 lety

    You had me at 'cheese sandwiches'... :)

  • @noob3132
    @noob3132 Před 11 lety

    Being an Asperger's-autistic the headline made me curious but I felt like a dyscalculia patient being told that people can calculate 1+1=2
    The example problems can be solved using simple logic. You normal people probably are much better than this.
    That some/many people fail when their social part of the brain is messed with is probably because their habit is to not use logic for social problems and so they fail a bit (!) when that brain part is messed with a little(!) [is it really'little'?].

  • @saerain
    @saerain Před 14 lety

    I suspect that some people weren't really paying close enough attention and thought that, in the accident scenario, Grace thought the powder was sugar despite it being labeled as poison, rather than because it was then labeled as sugar.
    I got a little lost when she described it, myself, needing to watch it again.

  • @thunderpants10
    @thunderpants10 Před 14 lety

    wicked cool

  • @19PAJAMA
    @19PAJAMA Před 8 lety

    At 13:54... Is that Imogen Heap in the audience?!

  • @ultravidz
    @ultravidz Před 14 lety

    wow very interesting

  • @HiAdrian
    @HiAdrian Před 14 lety

    Chris Anderson is breathing!

  • @RJSoftware2000
    @RJSoftware2000 Před 12 lety

    What puzzles me is how magnetic pulses have any effect at all. What does it manipulate, iron content in the blood..? Some kind of electric current flow...?
    Now I have to wonder if MRI's are possibly causing damage of some sort.

    • @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow
      @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow Před 4 lety

      The magnetic pulses interfere with the magnetic field your brain is emitting by itself (because of all the teeny tiny electric stuff going on in your neurons). It either inhibits or excites those neurons, causing a temporary lesion of over- or underexcitability, impairing that specific brain area. It can have different effect for excitatory and inhibitory, depending on the part of the brain you're using it on.

  • @joeyoungkc
    @joeyoungkc Před 14 lety

    wow, she is smart!

  • @dejanmarkovic3040
    @dejanmarkovic3040 Před 7 lety +6

    I expected at least a few words about mirror neurons,empathy and the ability to tune into other people's emotions....emotions are also electrical, chemical reactions and can be traced, affected....and they are mutually dependent with out thinking...mutually inclusive, that is....that's why this is a kind of incomplete study....idk....maybe I'm wrong...

    • @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow
      @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow Před 4 lety

      You're not wrong, but it is very, very difficult to test such a broad hypothesis. Even with the newer methods such as rTMS it still is nearly impossible to accurately stimulate a part of the brain, and then get a result you thought you would get. Also, a little insight on mirror neurons, they probably do not function the way most people think they do. We cannot know for sure, since it is unethical to experiment on humans the same way we did on the monkeys in which we found them. And since monkeys are different from humans, the mirror neurons might also work in very different ways. We found them in humans mostly in the motor areas, and some in the area associated with language (Brodmann 44, Broca's area). But how they relate to empathy, emotions, imitative learning, or simply perception-movement binding we have no clue. Mirror neurons are weird, misunderstood, and probably not the holy grail of neuroscience.

  • @shoftim
    @shoftim Před 11 lety

    Agreed, but remember, we have to be the first to know how to use this before our enemies do, hence, we become the enemy that we fear.

  • @Para1lax
    @Para1lax Před 13 lety +1

    "The wind should be punished!"

  • @MrMiguelGES
    @MrMiguelGES Před 12 lety

    Wow I thought Saxe would be much older!!

  • @erniehudson1
    @erniehudson1 Před 10 lety +3

    The idea that our morale judgement can be influenced by magentic impulses is just scary!

    • @gulllars4620
      @gulllars4620 Před 10 lety +1

      I'm interested to see what would happen if you put extremely analytical people though the same experiment. I'm talking f.ex. skeptics or free-thinkers that are also versed in abstract logic and philosophy, like scientists or engineers. Also people with Asbergers, or people who are sociopaths.
      I like to think in terms of ethics rather than morals, and consciously take a mental step back view such decisions as logic problems. I'm not sure if this means i don't use my RTPJ as much, or that i incorporate it into a larger network with the prefrontal cortex.

    • @cathybing461
      @cathybing461 Před 6 lety

      horrible

    • @cathybing461
      @cathybing461 Před 6 lety

      Not just moral judgement, but also our movement ability.

    • @iwantmytrophy
      @iwantmytrophy Před 5 lety +1

      ​@@cathybing461 Yeah, but that's how technology works to use neurostimulation in treating severe movement disorders like Parkinson's though.

    • @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow
      @BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow Před 4 lety

      And why is this scary? Like she said, it is impossible to deliver these specific magnetic pulses without the person knowing. And even then the effects only last for a very short time.

  • @JokaHize
    @JokaHize Před 10 lety +7

    Who's inflating a bike wheel during question time? How rude.

  • @roidroid
    @roidroid Před 14 lety

    I see your point for the sake of this question:
    "Is a mind - separated from it's usual bath of blood-transported hormones - the same mind?"
    Possibly not.
    However I take issue to you saying that "the brain is NOT the root of all cognition" for this reason:
    When a person's spinal cord is damaged - in what demonstratable way does this change their personality and/or cognitive functions?
    What organ, when destroyed/removed, will fastest cease the body's cognitive powers? The Brain - instantly.

  • @BinaryReader
    @BinaryReader Před 14 lety

    awesome mind control with magnets. i wonder where that technology will go.

  • @jasonlajoie
    @jasonlajoie Před 14 lety

    She was incredible. I can remember a TIME magazine cover in January of 1990 that declared it the "Decade of the Brain". - It wasn't so. Here, almost 20 years later we're finally getting great research done by great minds to better understand ourselves.

  • @starwarsgeek8
    @starwarsgeek8 Před 14 lety +1

    Nothing like cutting-edge psychology based on the observation of pirates and their cheese sandwiches...