Streaming Versus Vinyl - Can You Hear A Difference?
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I can hear the difference. I like the second one. Low and low mids are totally different. More relaxed and easy to listen to the second one.
Because vinyl has a different mixing and mastering to cd
@@jaygopinath1694 This isn't CD they are comparing to, this is vs streaming. So it depends on which mix and master the streaming service is using as the source. I.E a flac will sound terrible if the source material is a terrible mix. A good mix going to MP3 will sound like a good mix that ended up on vinyl.
@@skorpers that's not my point at all read before you comment
@@jaygopinath1694 I read, the problem is that you don't understand how audio works, so you lash out when you learn. You literally said "different mix" even though there's no evidence in the video that the two even come from a different mix. And it's also not talking about a CD. The video didn't mention CD's the comment didn't mention CD's.
You can literally record a vinyl album and then convert it to an MP3 file and it will sound identical to the vinyl.
You can make an MP3 from the original recording from the studio, and use the same sample for your vinyl. Same thing. Nothing that you are saying applies to what was being said. CD's also never had different mixes, they just had wrong mixes because they were given the same compensation in equalization that they did for tape and vinyl, however the CD's didn't have the same losses as analog which make that redundant. When they realized this error then CD mixes became identical, and higher quality.
@@skorpers Does one have to consider how a song is mixed when recording to vinyl or is that commonly a mastering issue to determine? Mastering for vinyl is different. Particularly in that the amount of low end you can put on vinyl is limited, as too much will cause the cutting lathe to jump out of the groove. Mastering and mixing for vinyl is slightly different thays a fact so i don't why you're so confused about what i meant lol its cool i not mad tho you seem to be i was not lasting out i was just stated a fact Mixing for vinyl - basic rules
The recording engineer has largely been freed from the limitations of equipment dictating how creativity should be tailored to work within a given medium. Working with vinyl, however, requires a return to awareness of what the medium can and cannot do - there are undeniable laws of physics at work here.
The first aspect is playing time. Increased level on disc is created by increased lateral excursion in the groove and this eats up the disc surface reducing playing time. Your disc mastering engineer should be able to advise on levels versus playing time. Take great care with the extremes of frequency. High frequencies such as cymbals, some brass instruments, or vocal sibilance can cause real problems. There is already HF pre-emphasis applied prior to cutting in the form of the RIAA curve and if the signal has high levels of HF there is a possibility of cutter head damage, or an unpleasant effect on disc. The mastering engineer will employ acceleration limiters to protect his gear but may also have to process your master to get around this.
Low frequencies have a different problem particularly if there are equal levels of opposing phase information present. This increases the vertical movement that cheaper cartridges will find difficult to track as the groove goes alternately shallow/narrow to deep/wide. Although this could be cut, it is likely that you would have an unplayable disc that nobody was happy with. To overcome this, a low frequency crossover system would be employed that allows the LF to be reordered and cut such that the LF is cut common in both channels. If this problem had been created by errors in mic technique then it would be advisable to use an oscilloscope to monitor out-of-phase material.
However, some effects units can create extreme out-of-phase conditions that can be uncuttable. The vinyl disc doesn’t have the full usable dynamic range of modern digital media and this has to be borne in mind when mixing for it. If you make the right adjustments during mixing, the transfer to disc can be a relatively painless process. Otherwise you leave it to the skill of the cutting engineer to realise your mix on disc; he will have to apply what processing he needs to achieve that with no guarantee that it is true to what you had in mind when mixing."
There is a difference. My guess is input 1 is streaming and 2 is vinyl. I liked both.
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Mee too
Me too
Yep
Yeap I agree vinyl more smooth and relaxed
Finally a video from this guy without any dollar value or price or money talk
Gonna say Vinyl was the 2nd one
Vinyl has a slight chorus/wavy vhs type effect that i really enjoy
Not even fair, second one sounds like real instruments are actually playing. I know it's the 45 rpm version of Rumours, I got it too and can always recognize the sound.
There is a significant difference. The first sample sounds like you're sitting in the venue, had a lot of air and openness in the sound. The second one sounds like you're hearing something off a mixing board; a more direct and full sound.
The second one sounds better
Spot on
@@glennmcdonald7673
The 2nd sounds warmer, but is it purely because of the vinyl, or is it caused by something else...?
You all do know that before a vinyl is pressed. The original music needs to be boosted in.some sound spectrum and suppressed in some sound spectrum to make up for the diamond cutters tone arms inherent limitations with ability to cut a grroove in the master metal platter . Some sound cannot be reproduced accurately as is the limitation of vinyl medium. It depends on the sound enginners's taste and skill.
Vinyl has physical and laws of physics limitation.
Digital is better able to reproduce the original sound.
Vinyl deteriorates over time and number of plays and stylus wear out too.
easy to hear the difference..one is brighter and more dynamic than the other
Must be awesome to have bat hearing 🦇 😂
@@jlo8775lol
There is a difference. I’d say 2 is vinyl due to the heavy bottom end. You wouldn’t happen to know who engineered Sinatra and Swingin’ Brass, would you? Phenomenal recording for 1962. BTW, “Rumors” was recorded at Sound City in LA. The studio was chosen by Mick Fleetwood because he loved the sound of his drums in the live room. Many artists chose Sound City because of that live room sound.
A huge difference in presence and lower mids as well as the presentation of the cymbals.
I don’t know how anyone can prefer #1 over #2 or even hear them as close. To me its like comparing a Bose speaker to a Focal. I guess this proves to me that it is very subjective. Maybe like singing bowls you pick the one that you feel is best for you. What a wonderful hobby, there are so many separate discussions to be had!
Sounds amazing on my phone
Lol
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Yes, there is a difference. However, with the high quality recording you are playing, as well as a competent vinyl playback system, the differential in this one example, is not as large as expected. The quality of the stream and digital gear also play a role. Sometimes digital will sound better, sometimes vinyl sounds better. Always boils down to the quality of the source production and execution. My guess is #2 is vinyl.
This is a good turntable, ordinary turntable sounds very color and poor low
@@martinLim-oj2tn.......lol 😂.....
I think the 2nd one is vinyl, it has a more saturated presentation in the lower frequencies something I associate with vinyl.
OK
Big time. Vinyl is the second one and DAC is the first.
Haha!!!! Wouldn’t that be funny if he was messing with you? And the richer sound is actually the DAC? 😂😂😂
That turntable is very pleasing on the eye!!!
The second sounded like it had a lot more range than the first one. The deeps were deeper and highs were higher atleast to me
The second sequence is thicker. More bass and thicker drum. The first has more reverbe in the electric guitar. Guitars are close on both, drums and bass much more dynamic on second sequence. I would chose the second sequence
Cool
Digital has more dynamic range than vinyl.
@@roofpizza1250 While that's true, most digital releases compress the living hell out of the dynamics. On the other hand, most Vinyl releases usually retain atleast some of the dynamic range.
Which was 1st played?
@@yogawithcorey6042 the digital for sure was the first. This is somewhat unfair as the vinyl was mastered by Kevin Gray, and I have no idea who did the digital. This means there was much more attention to detail on the vinyl
Difference is not important, which one you like better on site that's what I want to know.
Spot on, I said the same thing myself in different words (about 20 odd posts above 👆)
Yes, I hear a difference. A is more airy and B more bassy (a little boomy. Assuming you started with A.
Second one sounds as it has somekind of mesh/cotton filter while first one is more raw. I prefer guitar's sounds of 1st one but bass sounds are better on second
I guess the first one is streaming. Not bad but I can feel the Second one has more separation and dynamic.
Huge difference. The second one sounded like all of the actual instruments, first one is super compressed
Yes definitely. Both sound great but different
Gosh.. I think the 2nd one has more dynamics and is livelier! The 1st one sounds a bit flat!😢
Sorry if I differ from the rest but that’s what I heard!😊
Yes,vinyl has better bass response and mid range response than digital, which to my ears ,the streaming sounds compressed in my opinion.
@@notmanatee2445The streaming version is likely taken from a modern remaster whereas the vinyl is an older pressing.
First one sounds like streaming, due to the low end being quieter in the mix. Second one is vinyl, due to the livelier tone and a stronger presence on the low end.
First file sounds definitely more compressed so it must be streamed. The second file sounds more open, airy, smoother, more natural and less compressed. So, it must be the vinyl!👍
With the right setup Vinyl just sounds phenomenal. Plus i love to collect records myself.
I really like the second one better, it seemed more open sounding and the hi hat was definitely clearer and more robust. Was that digital or analog?
A big difference even without headphones
Absolutely can hear difference. I prefer number 2.
Vinyl has more mid-bass. There's more warmth and slam. The streaming makes the vinyl sound muted and veiled. The vinyl makes the streaming sound cold and less impactful. Without an A/B, you wouldn't notice. Each can be modified to sound more like the other.
There is a noticeable difference. The vinyl has a thicker bass and highs and upper mids are more laid back and less transparent
There’s a difference. I’m thinking “B” is vinyl. It sounds just a bit warmer to me. That’s my guess.
2nd sounds better, I closed my eyes
Difference is in soundstage. Vinyl only sounds richer and warmer. Nice while doing the dishes for example.
You can hear the sibilance distortion from the vinyl on the second one.
Second one is nostalgia portal. Lol. I love it. Just ordered my first “mixtape” vinyl with my personal choices and a record player. Can’t wait !!! ❤❤❤
Holy smokes, #2 sounds much better. Much more warmer and inviting. Literally sounds like nostalgia
There's a difference. Listen for that Cymbal sound, it sounds clearer on Vinyl.
could easily tell the difference. One sounded so much more real than the other one
2 is vinyl. That fat rounded bottom. And a bit less extension. Both sound great Jay!
Through the Medium we are listening there is a distinct difference! 😎 Great Sound either way Jay! I will wait for the conclusion and your determination on this Battle! 👍
Awesome, thank you!
2 has the vinyl sound. 1 is very accurate, crystal clear where 2 has like a filter on it but warmer and inviting. Depends on likes. Awesome job love the equipment
One had a little more treble to me. That turntable is a BEAST!
Amazing vinyl setup 😍
Hi Jay definitely number one was the streaming and two was the turntable IMO
As those who think they have "golden ears" get older and their hearing deteriorates just like the rest of us, they tend to profess the edginess and boosted high frequencies of certain media, amplifiers, and speakers are better. I love vinyl, but give me steaming for less space and hassel.
Bold of you to expect CZcams to not compress the shit out of the sound.
Yes, absolutely could hear a difference. In the highs of that guitar and the widened sound stage that was not as flat.
Absolutely not and we can't because CZcamss algorithm lowers the audio quality for some devices and every device that viewers are using also makes a difference. There's alot of variables in our way to actually hear any difference.
Exactly.
and the source is artificial manipulated narrow bandwidth , COMPRESSED ROCK!!!
Yep can hear a difference.
There is a difference…but second one seems “cleaner”.
2nd is vinyl. It has a soul. It's not about different mastering, it's about the digital glare from switching which filtering simply can't eliminate completely.
First one, way more dynamic
I can hear the difference even on TV
Digital gear is hard on the ear the futher from analog the harder on the ear meaning streaming is the worst way to play music its like having stars without dark matter if it must be digital dat or dcc
there sound like there is some extra gain from one leading to a little more wattage and fuller sound. the compression makes it sound a little flat. another sounds like their is more information.
the digital sounds compressed with less dynamic range. the vinyl sounds like their is more head room.
No. 2 Vinyl
There is a difference but id have to listen in person to have an actual preference. Every set up is different.
Don't know which the first one was, but, the first one didn't seem as sharp as the second one.
Nr 2 is fuller 🤠
I agree
Difference is big thru headphones . The second is dark and good bass and highs, i think is vinil. I like second. BR
Ok
2 is vinyl, i do prefer it. A more relaxed listen
the second one had a slighter lower / warmer / fuller pitch
When it comes to Vinyl, the sound quality itself will depend on the cartridge itself with no questions asked
The first input sounds better to me but I honestly couldn't tell you which one it was
Hard to tell when listening on my computer but vinyl seems to have deeper bass and more space but streaming high pitch more crystallized .. but both sound pretty great!
Thanks for sharing!
I knew the first was digital and second was vinyl, but the problem in vinyl it's always lacking the umpff there's no boom no bass, I also find the clarity and the blackness better in digital
Now what are your equalizer settings? I like to make clear sound adjustments with a medium to slightly higher bass. With medium mids. I think speakers come into play. Now if im listening with headphones. Then its even more of a complicated difference. Whichever produces clear deep sounds im good with.
The 2nd one makes you feel
Everybody in the comments is saying the second one is definitely vinyl but it sounss to me like the first one is vinyl. I could be wrong.
Vinyl sounds better here , because u can actually hear the instruments playing
Huge difference. The streaming sounds like streaming even on my phone. I’m sure a much bigger difference in person.
Definitely a difference, warmer, bass had more on 2nd input.
2 = vinyl imo
Streaming sounded brighter, more mids in Vinyl, but duller thuds
I think No 2 is vinyl. Sound is more dynamic with better resolution
2 is vinyl with low low mids. Absolutely perfect for metal music
Don't have this problem cause i always use digital so no vinyl records, players, cleaning, taking space and with digital no problems at all haha
Is the mastering the same? it doesn't sound like it.
I can hear it…don’t know which is which but they’re different
More low frequencies in the vinyl, though low freq are not the strongest side of a vinyl.
Like the 2nd one better. Among other things that hasn’t been mentioned yet: there’s more space and air with the hi-hats. Then the more obvious stuff as well like better separation of instruments. The second is vinyl
The first one have a metallic sound.
I can hear a difference I like the sound and your speakers are cool
The big question is what’s the music? I love it
I'm betting the streaming was first and the vinyl was second. There was a definitely a difference that I could hear even on my cellphone speaker.
Yes, vynil is more warm and natural, 1st was streaming, second was vinyl
Difference is day and night. Which is good to hear how different sources present the sound. Nice work Jay!
Vinyl has a crackle to it
Los dos me gustan mucho!!!! Imposible decidir cuál suena mejor en este caso. Muchas gracias, muy disfrutable tu vídeo!!! Saludos Jay!
I did this at home. Streaming sounded way better. Better sound stage. I put the record player in a bin and hung the records on the wall. Streaming is better!
No surprise here, the second one wins on detail, mids, low end big time. As for sound stage the analog won again but only by a smidgeon. As for warmth and instrumental interpretation, well, let’s face it the analog was never going to lose those. So for me a clean sweep for the vinyl 👍…..
….. or was it? Well not quite. Obviously the question of what’s best was a tie. Overall it’s subjective, there is no wrong or right answer here as it’s down to personal taste so the only objective answer is “neither”. No surprise then that subjectively speaking the vinyl won hands down.
OR DID IT? I noticed that the latency increase saw the “digital” (A as my ears perceived it to be) falling behind which leads me to think that the vinyl was on A and the streaming was actually on B. If I am correct (AM I?) then I am surprised, impressed and super surprised. Also if my assertion is correct then I won’t be swapping my Michel Engineering deck/Goldnote preamp with your analog setup anytime soon! But I’d love to know what Streamer you were using (I love my Cambridge CXN but I’d trade it for yours any day). Of course only YOU know how it translated to CZcams so if I’m wrong I’ll put on my red face and blame it on the ‘toob”. By the time they hit YOUR digital recorder (let alone MY system from across the pond) they are both digital anyway.
As for your actual question then simply yes, I hear a huge difference!
streaming was much brighter
massive difference!
Ok the difference is there. You explain Mr expert
First is vinyl (input 1). I have made the same comparison and now use DSP on streaming and prefer it to my analog rig.
yep, the 2nd one was much better
Ok
Haha
Yep I can hear a little bit of a difference in sound one has more bass while the other sounds more balanced
First is vinyl for sure 🎩