Exercise Scientist Critiques The Tren Twins Workout
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- Dr. Mike Israetel Reacts to the best and worst Hollywood workouts and celebrity training, and evaluates how effective they are, based on current science!
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0:00 Intro
0:47 Bench Press
8:52 Incline Smith Bench
9:57 Various Flyes
13:15 Triceps
15:52 Rating - Sport
Nice to see Dr. Mike critiquing two of the finest intellectuals of our time.
lol
Finally found his intellectual equal
They are a couple of dumbasses
Such Dbags
Modern day Socrates and Plato
Love this lol
Did you take any of his advice and incorporate it into your lifts or is it not anabolic enough?
I believe they train for what makes it fun to them. @@trippycherryblossom2550
YOO TREN TWINS
Trenny boys
I laughed my ass off almost the entire video😂
The way the Tren Brothers speak is literally the same Dr. Mike does when impersonating a bodybuilder in a conversation in his examples..
The Tren Twins are so Italian they cycle Trenbologna.
😂😂
I would love to see this done on Sam Sulkek, I love him but would love to see what Dr. Mike’s got to say!
i dont think dr mike would like sam's range of motion
true I want to see Dr. Mike talk about Sam
I second this.
Sams hair pisses me off and I can’t stand the faces or noises he makes. Hell I just realized I don’t like the guy just by watchin his annoying videos🤷🏻
Please
I think we have to acknowledge that the cutoff sleeves are matched with a turtle neck, a truly wild combination.
Chinchilla fur for neck piece
That really works for fit girls with an ample chest, but this proves anyone can pull it off if you have tits out to here.
Insane
These mad fellas don't follow the rules.
One bro with a cutoff turtle, other bro has a v neck with sleeves.
I'm an enormous fan
Hearing the doc talk about workouts and how the body operates is a work of art. I will never tire of watching him critique and explain.
Neither, he's entertaining and informative, I've been binge watching his videos for a few days now, just extremely intriguing.
“The reason why we science folks don’t do bro shit is because we found a slightly better way of doing things” omg the burn is so subtle, so diplomatic, so expertly delivered. 😂
whats funny is most science bros look like shit
Hey Dr Mike, they are also from Michigan...would be sick if you invited them out to your new garage gym and took them through a myo match rep workout.
I second this!
it would be lit
This would be so fun
Yes
dr mike would spank them so hard yummy
Dr. Mike and the tren twins is like a fever dream (don't wake me up)
If doctor Mike put the tren twins through a workout It would just be hilarious.
@@Sseifert15 that would be popcorn worthy watch
can't wake up!
10th circle of manlet hell
The entertaining/informative value of Dr. Mike is unmatched. Truly premium stuff
I've gotta say: I watched a few of your workout critique videos a while ago and I've decided to really focus on the 'go to full stretch slowly and pause there' mantra. It's a great way to cane your muscles fast. 3 sets of 10 on hamstring curls and my hammies are feeling it already. Total set took almost 90s for 10 reps!
I am imagining a that hamstring set and just thinking about it makes me wanna deepthroat a shotgun, fuck me.
Would love to see you guide these gentlemen through a workout in person
Their egos couldn't handle it.
It would be amazing to see Dr Mike murder them with a leg session
It would be amazing
This sounds like you’re making a commission for a porn movie
@@checkitoutdewd they actually are pretty chill and do not take criticism to heart
One of my favourite bald men on the Internet
Definitely in the top 5
top 3 easily
Him and Kevin frasard & snake diet are my favorite bald men fitness channels
Baldomni man?
Up there with Johnny sins
Hi Dr. Mike, on a future episode could you address scoliosis and bodybuilding symmetry? I have a slight curve in my back which means there are muscle imbalances. I am sure there are others with more severe cases which may benefit from a discussion, not just from an aesthetic POV, but from a health and functional one. Thanks! Your content has helped transform my life.
Second that
Would also be very interested as well
Check out Brad Loomis at 3DMJ, he's been a power lifter and body builder with scoliosis
As a PT we were always told this is highly specialised. You can’t just give generalised advice for this. Good luck but go see a specialist 🙏
ps - it’s often dangerous to try and change and isn’t worth it. Usain Bolt always just left his alone despite being pretty damn prominent.
I found Dr Mike recently and absolutely love it. Due to health issues i cannot train like i would love to but the knowledge combined with entertainment is just fantastic. Thank you for all the great content.
Mike love your videos as a jiujitsu guy getting into lifting you really break it down so that lifting is technical and not just swinging weight around 🙌
Thank you! Best of luck in your lifting. The strength you build over time will help your BJJ a TON! - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization im in the same boat as the op. im running a few powerlifting based hypertrophy meso's, then when they get stale ill deload and run some strength meso's of 3-6.
@@CobGobblin69power lifting and hypertrophy are two different types of training brother
@@RenaissancePeriodization What can I do to help me sit and pull guard?
Lifting & Calisthenics have changed my life! Especially if you do BJJ, they help SO much. Keep grinding my friend!
💪🏼🔥
Dr. Mike i personaly love those reaction/critique videos. Keep them comming, thank you!
"The reason you couldnt get 455 is cuz youre not strong enough, on that day, and thats ok"😂😂
This is why we love Dr. Mike!
I love Greg Doucette but the amount of scientific information on here(taught beautifully) is enough to keep me coming back every day. In couple weeks of watching this guy I’ve learned so much. I know you two did a Collab couple of years back that’s where I originally found you. Took me a couple years to actually go to your channel and see these Gems
There is literally nothing to love about Greg doucette
@@jaimorgan1742agreed 💯%
@@jaimorgan1742leprechaun accent
@@jaimorgan1742 the thing about Greg doucette is he knows more than he lets on but hes simplified his content for the masses to be easily digestible. like the entire harder than last time motto is just a simplified version of progressive overload
His voice is unbelievably annoying
“There’s two of em, I mean four, they’re twins right 😈” 😂😂😂 shit had me dying. Love ya Dr. Mike
Mike, you keep making these workout review videos and you just might make a name for yourself on the youtubes.
Jokes aside, I really enjoy these videos! Thanks for the info and the laughs!
Dr. Mike you always got me cracking up and informed. Love the channel!
I had fairly slow eccentrics already, I slowed down even more studying to be a personal trainer, after watching your videos I'm dropping weight and making normally light weights feel well like... heavy weights lol. Strict form and proper engagement of muscles makes things very different thank you for the info
Nice man, but don't try force light weight to feel heavy. You need to be using weight that challenges you within the 6-12 rep range to create mechanical tension which is the main driver of muscle growth btw
doesnt work, progressive overload is what works. cut the crap that is why trentwins are 2x the size of this guy with way less training
@@davidrocha3732 what I do works for me I've had two back surgeries and AC ligaments replaced so my progression has to be a lot slower than most
@@davidrocha3732lol the most bro explanation I’ve heard
@@davidrocha3732Also because of the steroids lol.
Gotta do Sam Sulek next !
Dr Mike cracks me up every time. He just says whatever the fu#$ he wants.
This channel was desperately needed!
Best channel I've found on CZcams and absolutely hilarious. Its like a greatest hits CD- every video is hilarious and informative!
Доктор Майк, очень рад что нашел вас, спасибо за вашу работу!
Love this! Thank you for all your bulking, cutting, deload, and nutrition videos. Because of you i built huge glutes!
Glad to see your channel blowing up been subscribed awhile. Havent been watching lately this was entertaining
Can you review a Sam Sulek workout video or workout with him...would love to see that
Every time dr Mike makes me laugh with his humor.
I love how you are educating these guys, reminds me of one of my old lecturers ;)
Could you try and critique knees over toes guy? I have a master in excerise from the university myself and I think his ideas and way to look at training and injury prevention / healing is very interesting (his mostly focused on the knee though). Ive had some problems with my knee and made use of some of his exercises leading up to a vacation on ski with good results. Anyway thought it would be very interesting to hear your take on his ideas.
I can tell you now textbooks won't agree with knees over toes guy so he will not be a fan
You don’t know Dr Mike or any real scientist if you think they’re stuck to what the textbooks say
@@mindyourbuisness8104 Im actually not so sure. Even though KOT-Guy loves the sled, which Ive seen Mike mock a little bit, his basic approach to training is well thought out even though hes not a professional. As I said im not sure thats why it would be interesting.
Kneesovertoes guy is great, everything he says makes sense and I've personally tested some of it. He's highly underrated.
KoT is a G
I would love to see a video on jeff nippards ppl program he's presenting on his channel. I'm wondering about exercises from the N1 crew or exercises like press arounds and what's your opinion on them
Just to let you know (if you want Jeff’s program) you can go onto google and type in “Jeff nippards ppl program pdf” and you can find it for free 👌
In other videos, Dr. Mike indicates he approves of Jeff Nippard’s content. I would expect Dr. Mike and Jeff Nippard overlap a lot more than they disagree, and it seems like Jeff generally views Dr. Mike as more knowledgeable.
He’s got a video on how to judge a training program. It’s a hierarchy of the training principles.
@@Flipflop437 the PHD tends to set the bar. lol
@@tomwaitsfornoone1182 lol exactly
Mike, this is pure gold. Thank you!
Just found this channel and immediately subscribed!!
Won't lie that's my MAIN motivation for getting a bigger chest. The goal is to have my chest stick out more than stomach at higher BF ratios. This is not a drill - that's my actual goal. Glad to hear it being validated. :D
"You put a human male on a barbell, they're gonna go to failure." Men are so cute 😂 Men-at-the-gym energy is my favorite male energy. It's just so wholesome.
Hey girl. How would you like to be my special push-up partner?
Makes us feel so powerful. Well, until the last rep, at least. Then blame the equipment. 🙃
Did a woman really watch this? If so marry me😂
I literally can't help it. I'm early 50's, so clearly I should be focusing on slower reps, less weight, protect the joints, longevity, etc. But once I get to the gym, all of that careful planning and forethought is out the window! I get excited and have to tell myself to chill out (using inner voice, I don't say it out loud...haha)
@@waynebreen8496pathetic
My day gets a bit better whenever I see that Dr. Mike has uploaded a new video
Fantastic. Love the tren twins for bringing the raw workout videos to generate hype but as a 34 year old, the RP critique really balances it out for my brain to download as a more mature content. Good stuff!
Would love to see you look at some of the current natty crowd like GVS, Alex, Natural Hypertrophy etc.
They aren’t natty but ok
My God, the intros to these are fuckin' brilliant lmaooooo
Love your content mike! Keep it up!
Loving this series. Keep it coming Dr Mike!
I genuinely had a 30 minute existential crisis over the in the head thing you said, thanks Mike!
When it started with those no reps on smith I thought it was gonna go way different, but props to these guys for being helpful at best and pretty harmless at worst. Cool of Dr. Mike for not forcing attrition for clout, not that he would ever but we can't take it for granted haha
"Forcing attrition for clout" is an awesome way to describe
First time coming to this channel. Glad to see Mike Israetel doing these reviews. Much needed due to the fodder that's online. Thank you Dr. Mike!
Amazing video as always, if I had the extra money I would definitely join the members section and get his app.
If we can make recommendations then I have to shoutout the natty kings: Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Alex Leonidas, Bald Omni Man and Natural Hypertrophy.
How could you forget Jason blaha the Texas monster himself?
Please for the love of god do a Sam Salek workout critique. It is an absolute shame the pontential he has and how much he squanders with his awful technique😔🤦🏻♂️
Also this ^^^^
He does what works for him so I don’t really see a problem 🤷♂️ you don’t need to do every exercise with “perfect scientific musculature engagement” or whatever
And dude looks so tired, unhealthy and....week before intensive care unit hospitalization
It also really doesn’t matter what the fuck he does, exercise or technique, he’s on so much shit he’ll grow regardless
@@callumdoolox6498I mean all said and done until he gets a serious injury from it. He should prob learn to do full ROM on his lifts instead of jerking the weight to failure
I love this guy. Happy to find you. Good content haha
I hate how much good information you have. Overall an amazing video made me sub.
In terms of "nobody want to mess with you": traps, shoulders and arms >>>>> chest
100% Big chest is usually a decent indicator of "gym bro/gear head who thinks they can fight but can't" and the people who actually want to mess with you are usually insecure people who want to bully other to prove how tough they are. Don't get me wrong, being big overall will reduce chances because of sheer physics but its not the big chest thats doing it.
I mean ears is the absolute top of the list
For me it's forearms. Gym going or just some good old fashioned farmboy strength you don't fuck with the guy with Popeye forearms.
I'd love to see one of these videos based on Eddie halls training videos (either past strongman) or recent bodybuilding switch
First time I’ve ever watched you. This stuff is great. I had to sub
I really like the way you breakdown everything even tho they mainly joking in the video, i find it interesting asf to learn those things
You can tell they're geared when they can do 8-10 exercises even though the technique is somewhat lacking toward the end. You just recover so much faster and have more stamina to keep going longer when you're juiced (based on what people who are on gear say, I have no experience here)
Not really. They could be doing exactly the same natty.
The diff between on gear and natty is the muscle growth and strength triggered by this session, and how they'll be able to perform (ie recover) on their next session. Also the pump they get from any session and how their nutrients are mostly utilized in building muscle instead of fat storage.
Basically... the difference is nothing you'd notice from just watching one session with someone not showing perfect form or degrading form.
I have lifted weights for 8 years, I am now 24 years old, with 18" arms, at 225lbs bodyweight, lean with abs, shoulder striations, etc... so I'm guessing around 15% bodyfat. Most people irl ask if I'm natty, and yes, I am. I also do a sh*t ton of volume, 8-10 different exercises in a session, and I seem to grow from it just fine. Mind you, I'm in a huge calorie surplus. I love to experiment. The body doesn't understand sets / reps / numbers... What it does understand is hard work. Just the other day, I felt like hitting 10 sets x 20 reps on preacher curls, and no one can tell me I'm doing too much when I'm bigger than 99% of the population and even mog the majority of juicers in my gym, who have also questioned my natty status in the past. There's no such thing as a natty limit.
I've never done anything other than trt but I grew every week no matter what doing the same thing as before trt where I had weeks of plateau every year.
@@jakobdekim6458 That's where you're mistaken, brother. I listen to my body and know when enough is enough. I have my limits and I respect them. I only do that type of training from time to time and it doesn't affect my recovery. But you must seek adversity in order to grow. As long as ego doesn't get in the way, you're right.
@@n7Andy I agree. Although Ive never done steriods from my decades of training (16-45) In terms of volume and intensity it makes little difference of what ive seen whether juicing or natural, peoples recovery is different based on many factors. Something Ive always said and the late great John meadows even said much the same in a video.
Most people hold themselves back or cheat themselves into thinking less volume and or intensity is 'smarter' then they just accuse any natural making significant gains of juicing because they are essentially taking it easy and not realising their full potential.
Muscle whether natural or enhanced recovers pretty damn fast, it's the CNS you have to watch out for when training hard and trying to avoid overtraining and steroids have zero bearing on your cns. And even then relative to diet, sleep, lifestyle and many factors the amount of volume and intensity one person can put on their cns week to week will vary from one to the next
Doc Uncensored?!?! Now you have my attention sir!
Hi Dr. Mike, Amazing video as always! 🙏 I've been watching your videos for over a year now & it has improved my training vastly, thank you.
Do you have any advice for people who lift at night? I work 10 hours & lift after my shift. I have trouble sleeping sometimes, but I can eek out 7-8 hours. I'd love if you could make a video on this topic one day.
“When you get older, 25”
😢
me
😂 i must be dead already 😅
33, one foot in the grave basically
@@BrofUJu 46, I already died, and am just a zombie shuffling metal plates.
@@HeadCannonPrime haha it was a fair comment in context if these guys. He's not wrong, doing endless junk volume into your 30s and above is a horrible idea
That was DEFINITELY way too much volume for one workout. It works when you're younger, but as age goes up and injuries start to creep up on you, the amount of exercises will destroy you.
I have a messed up pec/shoulder from a car accident a few years ago, which impacts how much chest work I can do. I would have to call it quits after about 2 exercises, and they did 10. Definitely better to break this workout up into 2 separate days.
Not if your on gear lol
depends on overall volume and intensity, you could do ten exercises (if felt the need for whatever reason) at one set each and that's only 10 sets. That and everyone is different. some people make better gains with more volume even whilst using a lot of intensity, others can get away with less
Messed up my shoulders in my mid twenties. Now I have to train super carefully and it fucking sucks.
@@timarnett3548 gear would help alleviate the muscle fatigue for sure, but it does nothing for your joints, ligaments and tendons. Which is why alot of those guys who jump on gear get major injuries, their muscles outgrew the rest.
@@FiFiFilth I feel you bro. I was pushing hard, almost got to a 315 bench, now I can't even bench my bodyweight (185 lb) without EXTREME pain. Thankfully, Dumbbells and cables don't aggravate it TOO much, though there is still a limit.
Love this video..thanks Mike :)
Awesome content mike!
I follow both parties. This video was hilarious. I watch the Tren Twins, and think most people do, for motivation and their bro comedy. I doubt people watch for “scientific” explanations. Whether or not their methods are “correct” or not, and what they are taking, you have to admit their physiques are well built. Loved the video and was entertained from start to finish
Is it comedy? From what I can tell, they are genuinely cretins, it's not an act.
Reviewing Mike O'Hearn's shit would be dope- maybe that workout he did with Larry Wheels and Jay Cutler a couple of years ago.
Hell yeah
I’ve slowed way down on my reps after watching your videos Focusing on more time under tension
thank u Dr for some more science to go along with all the bro-science going around. I myself have always been an advocate for full range of motion in exercises. Have a nice weekend and keep those muscles dense sir
Dr. Mike,
I have a question about the whole muscle density thing… there is a difference between hypertrophy and hyperplasia in the muscle, right? And there are some pretty clear as day cases of somebody with significantly smaller muscle volume being an order of magnitude stronger than somebody with HIGHER muscle volume. Even though I know that other things factor into that like motor unit recruitment etc.. But I thought that there was actually a pretty general consensus that there IS such a thing as muscle density… could you perhaps elaborate further on that? Or is that a thing where science hasn’t necessarily uncovered the inner workings of that, or? Anyways, I would appreciate a response. Am pretty interested in stuff like this.
Thank you in advance.
There is variety in density between different people. He's saying that density wouldn't give the visual effect that they are saying they want from looking "dense." It would basically have the opposite effect, visually.
I think I've lost a few brain cells listening to them. Thank God Dr. Mike got them back for me.
they lift for the soul not for optimal bodybuilding
@@zachk2060Then they need to spend some time in the Word, cause their souls don't look too great here.
@@zachk2060 Meaningless word salad. You should run for public office.
@@Mutiny960 are you illiterate? Which part confused you
Good job explaining the eccentric movement! I also bro lift and move faster when I get tired. I appreciate the focus, nicely done!
Love how you react to then you have a good sense of humor❤️
I like what he said about missing 455. It's never your fault when you miss a weight. Wonder if he knows that Mikey hit 500 at 198 bodyweight though.
So many gen z kids screaming at their monitor right now.
Awesome video
Manic mike and dr mike need to do a work out vid
I see that wisdom pouring out of their eyes lol. Or I'm simply too old for this modern times "sophisticated" social media content 😂
The biggest take away that’s helped me improve on technique and muscle growth has been getting that full stretch and controlling the pace. Only through that have I seen the biggest improvements
Please do Sam sulek
Muscle maturity is just collagen leaving the skin 😂
Mike is one of the few legit channels left out there… in my opinion this is the best channel on CZcams.
Bro the techno music blasting in the background of all the twins' clips is hilarious 😂
They're literally bros. Of course their workout would be full of bro stuff.
Just proves that as long as you have good genetics it almost doesn’t matter how you lift weights.
You crack me up. Love it.
Man, I am loving all you stuff. Guess I need to get the app. Can you throw some sarcastic comments in the app to get us pumped up! Keep up the good work
Let's see you bring Will Tenneson into the gym!
I would love to see that! Will's ultra positive vibe and Mike's no bullshit would be a really good combo.
obviously mike israetel is just jealous because the twins are like way smarter than him. he really showed his insecurity in the presence of such mental giants. sad.
Chat, is this real?
@derekmendoza1690 sarcasm...or retardation. Leaning towards sarcasm....mmmm....boop.
I love this series
Love the common sense of Dr. Mike, he would excel in any field.
You should review your fellow science based fellow Jeff Caviar from Athlean X
Jeff Nippard, Mike Isratel, and Jeff Cavalier all pretty much align on the science topics. I've been on a Athlean-X program for 3 years and its almost exactly what Dr. Mike says. The only thing is that Athlean is more of a whole body athlete performance coach rather than a growth/bodybuilder focus like Mike and Nippard. So you get a lot more corrective and mobility exercises than straight hypertrophy growth. For example an Athlean program may have you do explosive box jumps some days instead of heavy squats.
@@HeadCannonPrimeidk how you could be so god damn wrong lol mikes literally taken shots at Jeff for some of the really dumb things he’s said
You were saying that muscle density isn't really a thing, but what do you think of bodybuilder to powerlifter myofibril density? Is there really a such thing as myofibril hypertrophy vs sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?
I thought most of the strength differences are only neurological and not related to actual muscular differences.
The current research shows training to failure is best for hypertrophy but for strength its not needed. Maybe it could be that powerlifters dont train to failure as often which causes less hypertrophy but still gives strength gains? Not exactly sure if it works like that, just a theory
@@Anandfulness powerlifters have been found to have about an average 60% more myofibril density relative to sarcoplasm when compared to bodybuilders. Bodybuilders also have about 40% less myofibril density than relatively untrained populations. Look up "House of hypertrophy bodybuilder vs powerlifter muscle density"
Your training style (heavier vs. lighter) can absolutely have an effect on your sarcoplasmic vs. myofibrillar density. But that's internal composition and has almost no effect on density, first. Second, it has seemingly no effect on external visual appearance as is claimed. It would be neat if that were the case, but we'd have to see some pretty compelling evidence of it! It also gets whacky if you train in a broad range of reps. For example, Ronnie Coleman should have that "density look" from powerlifting and doing doubles with huge deadlift weights, but he also does high rep rowing and puilldowns for the back, so then is he dense or no? You know? - Dr. Mike
@@RenaissancePeriodization Interesting to note! I had kind of thought that sarcoplasm would inherently be less dense than myofibrils. I've also anecdotally witnessed powerlifters at similar weights and body fats to bodybuilders and the bodybuilders generally look a considerable amount bigger. Which, I fully realize is the exact opposite of what the Tren twins were saying, and I certainly don't agree with them on that!
this video is a great complement to their videos! almost as good as watching them talk!
What are some of your thoughts of the recent studies showing lengthened partial reps being just as effective as full ROM ? seems odd to me
Bro made a literal vid, not that old
He made a video a couple of weeks ago and he agreed
@@amitvenkat8863 must have been recent never noticed it
Never seen a video from this channel before. Never seen these two guys before. Dr. Mike is officially epic and these two guys are insufferable. Hate the hard bro vibe. Love seeing a ripped guy like Dr. Mike that doesn't come off like a douche.
Dr. Mike rules but so do the tren twins, they are fucking hilarious and their video edits are a lot of fun to watch. They are obviously hamming it up for the camera it's a bit of playing a character. I honestly think they rock check their vids out.
@@christianmom420Definitely a matter of taste. I tried one of their videos and couldn't stand it, stopped halfway through. Their style and personalities just don't land for me at all.
@@madspet9106 this is a fair point madspet, I guess I can see how they may be off-putting for some. Different strokes for different folks, as long as you're still doing full range of motion I can't be mad haha
@@christianmom420 Ahh, there shit gets annoying quick, yeah u can laugh at them saying dumb shit and talking general bull shit
i don’t watch the tren twins but i can see the appeal.
The video had all three things needed for a great video. It’s I/E and funny.
Would love to see a long series of videos where you review and critique amateur clips of people working out hehe
It's not too hard to envision that one might be able to perceive muscle density (assuming it's a real thing, I have no idea) in videos or even photos. How the muscles morph and "interact" with each other during various poses could give some insight. Dr. Mike's example seems to only consider the volume or static size of the muscle, but in reality, you can infer something about the density of a liquid, for example, by observing how it responds to pressure changes. However, you wouldn't be able to make these inferences if the liquid is simply resting motionless in a glass.
I hear that! Though most folks who talk about muscle density seem to do so confidently in reference to static poses and photographs! - Dr. Mike
i have not seen a jacked scientific jacked bro in my gym , but all the ripped guys are gym bros , ill stick to the intense workouts rather than half ass scientific workouts lmao