16 Cycling GPS Computer Startup Times TESTED!
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Bike computer startup time seems to vary a LOT between different manufacturers and models. It also changes regularly with firmware updates and 'optimisations', sometimes not for the better. In this video I put 16 different cycling GPS computers to the test against the clock to measure their startup time.
NOTE: GPS/satellite lock is a whole other can of worms... One that has a lot more variables. This aside, everyone has to first wait for the initial boot-up sequence before that sync takes place.
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Wahoo Roam
>> Start up time: 46sec
>> GPS ready: +11sec (in a rural low mountain range area)
Especially in summer and winter when the temperature outdoors is quite different to indoors I try to put the Wahoo on the bike outside before I collect my bottle, helemt, key, etc. This way it has a moment to acclimatise and it does not falsify your temp records in the beginning of your ride. Thus the start up time usually does not bug me unless I'm in a hurry to get going.
ELEMNT ROAM 38s each @ 92% & 85% Keep up the good videos Shane 👍
Never crossed my mind before now, it’s usually switched on and then I go off doing other things for 10 minutes anyway
first thing i noticed from my new edge 1040 was the fast boot up times.. :)
Always enjoy your videos; would you consider a review/tutorial on the new Garmin Edge 1040 especially navigation and creating courses and getting them onto the device (step by step) especially Strava and Komoot
My Karoo 2 started up in 43 seconds... from totally off to being at the point I can hit the road and track a ride. This is with the most recent firmware too. Thankfully not as bad as your test or other people's experience judging by the comments. Enjoy Europe btw (hi from the UK)
This was my experience too (48 seconds). My unit is new, but fully up to date. I was on WiFi, only have 5 paired sensors, and 6.2 GB of storage used. I would guess each of these could impact the start time of any unit. You may want to account for this, @GPLama.
Same 44 seconds start up
Again, with me its 46 seconds, I have found it gets a bit quicker after a couple starts from an update. I guess thats the issue of biweekly updates can create pains. I switch on twice a day for commuting so it never stays long for long!
What a great test! My Bolt also took about 35 seconds to boot up, which I think is way too long. I just timed my 3-year old Windows 10 laptop and it booted from a cold start in about 15 seconds. I think 15 seconds should be the target, not 30. Good on Garmin for hitting that with most of their units.
Yeah these things are so overpriced 😂. You can get a full functionality real computer with the same money, and it boots faster.
@@AnTeallach2011 LOL you missed the point bro. From a technology perspective headunit is a very simple embedded device built with very old technology. Your 10-year old phone is more capable than that, a $10 raspberry Pi 0W is about the same level, an Apple Watch is a good show case for what you should get for the same money in 2022. It's not something that cycling is so special that makes tech struggles to keep up with, it's just this market is so small so niche that major players won't get in. We can't ride with a laptop won't change the fact that we all get scammed by the headunit thing. It's just like every niche market you don't have much choice.
over the years I have noticed that my Garmin 500, and now 130 take a little while longe to start up if not used for over a week, or when in a completely different location to the usual start point - it took about 3 minutes to have my 130 start and be GPS ready at Mt Hotham last weekend.
Interesting that the startup times were so similar between Wahoo units, I always feel that my Bolt 2 takes far longer to boot than my other Wahoo units. Either mine is slower than yours or it just shows how deceptive "feel" is.
Garmin edge 830... bang on 13 seconds!
Wahoo Elemnt Bolt v2, with latest firmware took 35 seconds.
Bryton Rider 750 5-6 seconds. My finger is too slow to react to stop the stopwatch as soon as the bike computer turns on 🙂
Going to post this before watching, but my guess is the Bolt 2 is one of the slowest!!!! When I go into my pain cave, I first press the button on the bolt to get it booting up. I then: 1) Switch on my KICKR 2) Plug my MacBook into my dock 3) Turn my TV on and select the right input 4) Select indoor cycling on my Fenix 5) Log into my MacBook and boot up SYSTM 5) Spin my cranks to wake up the Assioma pedals. Usually if I do all that stuff after switching on the Bolt it is just about ready to go after SYSTM loads :-) Now, intrigued to see how the other units fare........... :-)
Actually surprised at your Bolt speeds. I'm going to actually time mine now!! That 1040 is pretty incredible though given it's probably the most fully featured computer!!
Nice test! My Bolt 2 starts up in 34 sec.
Sorry not timed my karoo 2 but I no its slow to boot up but I'd have this over any garmin I've had , absolutely love it so I can live with the slow boot up time 👍
I own a rox 11.1 that i don't use anymore because startup may be 6 seconds but searching for gps signal is 10 minutes ! So it's really the slowest of all.
Took my Karoo 2 with newest Firmware as of 06.07.2022 48/44 seconds over 2 tries from off to ready for start
wow, surprising resuits. glad i've got a garmin
Booted up my Elemnt Bolt in 32 seconds. Interesting test, not something I’ve really though of before as I tend to switch it on and leave it on the bike whilst I get ready for my ride!
Which version v1 or v2 ?
@@adriankite8849 v1
I did the test on a Garmin Edge 520. Time from power on (cold boot) to when I can interact with the unit was 25.88 seconds.
K2: 52sec
Bolt v2: 41s
Both a big too long for my taste, but not the biggest problem.
My Karoo II boots from fully off to ready for ride in 49 seconds (latest firmware). I timed it several times, it is pretty consistent. I was pretty surprised with your experience, that is over 2x as long.
Maybe offline charts related? Or probably you have (way) more sensors to connect? I have 2 cadence, 1 HR and one Tacx, that is all. On the other hand, it goes searching for those after boot, so that probably does not affect actual boot time.
I do have 2nd 'Kickstarter wave' Karoo II, maybe there are some hardware differences?
46s for me with my Karoo II. I suspect something is up with Lama’s Karoo…
Just testet My GPS computer:
Start Up time is from total PowerOff to Start Screen On
1) Hammerhead Karoo 2 = 49 sek
2) Garmin Edge 1040 Solar = 11 sek
3) Garmin Edge 830 = 14 sek
My Karoo 2 with the latest firmware coming in at 47 seconds.
Map Storage at 5.9GB, only have UK and Ireland maps with Suunto heatmaps enabled.
Same experience here: ~ 49 seconds
As long as you are geeking out, how about doing a satellite acquisition test? Great test next time you travel.
Yep my Bolt V2 is about the same. I just spend those 34 seconds cleaning my sunnies and putting on shoes and helmet.
My old trusty (and refurbished) Garmin Edge 520 takes 29 and a half seconds to start, with lots of routes and the bigger map that can hold.
Just timed my wahoo elemnt bolt2 00:36.06 it's been fully updated thanks to your last update video, it feels pretty slow compared with my old bolt1, I hope the hammerhead gets better with it's start up time, that would annoy me!!
Bryton is fast and not only that, the GPS signals give me a very accurate altitude (within 1m, when compared to a topo map). But comparisons of boot up time with Karoo are not fair, because the latter is loading up Android OS, while the former's is much simpler.
Completely forgot about Android. I'm not sure that should matter, though. My Karoo 2 boots in about 45 or so seconds each time.
In what way is that unfair? The other devices built dedicated, proprietary OS's specifically to avoid the complexity (and slow boot, short battery life) of an Android device.
@@BikesBlades It's not a competition per se but a comparison. Loading a full Android OS allows much more functions in terms of display, 3rd party apps, storage, processing power etc. A Bryton 420 cannot compete with a Karoo 2, but the former boots up and locks on to GPS quite quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if Bryton's run on a Linux kernel, which is much more compact.
I would be more interested in seeing how fast these units are from turning on to finding a useable GPS signal.
These start-up times are not that interesting to me, anything below about 30 seconds is more than good enough, since I'll grab the headunit when I go out the door. Then I have to fetch my bike from the shed and by the time I am ready to ride away they will have started up anyway (Unless you have a Karoo, that was shockingly slow).
But with GPS units from friends I have seen a huge variation in how fast GPS units are able to find decent/useable GPS signal, so I think that would be a great follow-up test for all these head-units!
Karoo 2, just timed at 48 seconds. Running software version 1.307.1266. Only have the GB map + matching Suunto Heatmap loaded
my data point just tested, 54 seconds. I have North America map plus Suunto heatmap
My Karoo 2 started after 44 seconds. Switzerland and Italy Maps + Suunto Heatmaps.
Same setup, but from NL, with NL + Belgium maps, 6.2 GB loaded, 49 seconds
Karoo 2, latest firmware, Denmark + Suunto heat-maps, 49 seconds.
My Hammered Karoo 2 UK maps 49sek
Element Roam with FW WR20-14983 and 100% indicated battery = 37 seconds
Good information. I would be very irritated if my unit took more than 20 seconds to start. My routine to mount and start riding is already too complicated, and waiting for my GPS is yet another burden.
Wahoo Roam - 38.5s. I'd agree that more than 30 seconds seems like an eternity. Start up time isn't everything. What about the time to included to connect all the sensors. Is Wahoo doing this in the background as part of the start up and in part the reason why the start up time is longer? Wondering if this is really a good test or is there more going on during the power up with some of these units that are taking longer than 30 sec.
I have a Bolt 2, took 35,31 sec. Same ballpark figure as your boot. At 47% power, latest FW, and I stopped it from my 132 Km ride, this morning, about 4h ago.
Wahoo elemnt roam, fully up to date firmware, 39 seconds. GPS usually takes minutes, I usually switch it on way in advanced of riding for that reason
Karoo 2… 42 seconds from when I push the button until the ride profile comes up. Lots of downloaded routes and 70% charge. Shane, have you heard anything about the status of the HH/ shimano dust-up?
+1 any update on the Shimano debacle! I'm on the verge of going back to Garmin HU because of the missing Di2 functionality on the K2 now :(
my first GPS was a XOSS G which took up to 5 minutes to get GPS. anything feels fast compared to that, but for the price i was never mad about it
MY element roam booted in 37 seconds. I do not have a lot of maps and routes saved, wondering if that could affect boot time as well as.
Hi Shane - hope you’re good mate - wow some of theses are soooooo slow - my 1030 plus takes 12 seconds. Cheers, ally…
Wahoo Bolt v2 starttime: 36”
GPS time can be minutes of not 10 minutes some times. Depends on city density.
But I would love to see a test on this device with the latest firmware etc as it is become almost unusable to navigate this device. GPS is way off when you start riding in a city and navigation telling you to turn i.e left when you need to do a right turn. It completely fails. Never had this with the v1. Unfortunately I’m already on my 2nd unit and I see a lot of same related issues in the wahoo fb forum.
Yeah. I was wondering if it was just my Karoo 2 that was slow or all of them. Sadly on vacation so don’t have my Karoo 2 with me but it is definitely more than a minute - and feels like eternity.
Enjoy the vacation! I've just booked my return flights to EU...... leaving Sunday. Can't wait!
@@gplama I hope you have your AirTags ready!
Just times my Karoo II and it was 49 seconds from full off to ready to ride, so there is some variation to say the least
@@CanyonWanderer Sounds like ALL of us _except_ Shane and James have roughly 45 to 50 second startup times. I'm really curious why the anomaly there.
@@JeffBurns I was wondering: there was a first 'batch' of the Karoo II kickstarter (I just missed it), but signed for the second batch, maybe there is actually a difference in hardware and some (maybe also Shane) have the earlier hardware? Just speculating here, not based on any real information... But it might explain the differences
my wahoo elmnt bolt original booted in 32 seconds with an 'update' notice on the screen as well. similar to your number
My 530 was about the same time. Too bad no new 540 or 840 for this year. 😢
Open garage door, walk to bike, uncover, put in water bottle/s, click onto bike Bolt V2, turn it on, cross garage to put on shoes, casque, gloves, fill pockets with whatever I need from trays (gel, snack, cloth), get bike out, close garage door and OFF. Plenty of time for V2 to be ready for me!
Indoor vs outdoor might be worth checking
34 seconds for my Bolt V1 as well with the current firmware. Of course, GPS lock took an additional 3.5 minutes, so I'm interested in how the others fare in that department.
3.5 minutes? Something is surely not quite right 😳
@@Asthbendriel Yep, 0:33 and 1:03 on subsequent tries, so it’s probably an outlier. Granted, this is indoor right next to a window, so not optimal conditions.
36s on mine with 40% Battery, indoors, newest firmware
I always have started mine up long before I’m ready to go. But it’s slow, probably 30 seconds but less than a minute. Generally I have even zeroed my 4iiii before putting my shoes on. So I could live with any of them.
Yep I do the same and wait for the beeps to tell me it’s found each sensor
The worst thing is if you start your device early, it boots up, then times out and goes into sleep mode before you're ready!
Wahoo Elemnt Bolt2 - 41secs - Full power on with 100% Battery and latest firmware update.
I got 37 seconds on the Roam. Interesting!
i knew the startup time of my karoo 2 was long, but never realised it was THIS long. i usually turn it on while filling bottles/putting on the shoes so it never bothered me but wow, 2minutes that worse than windows 95 back in the days :D
Bolt V1 34s
some man have 16 computers some man have none
Wahoo Bolt 2
Those man, are the enlightened man.
Bolt V2 - 36s. Polar V650 - 27s.
You should PIN the K2 Thread below that shows more like 45-49 seconds boot up. Not sure what's up with your unit, yes still could use some improvement but not nearly what your test show.
My Garmin 530 starts up in 30 seconds (intentionaly), i have my contact information on the startup screen in case i lose it.
It’s worth the wait, i lost it once and was able to retrieve it that way.
Wahoo Bolt v2: 42 seconds (latest firmware)
I see you also have the backlight turning on randomly on the Bolt. So annoying bug, especially since it is like 3-4 years old now.
Right at 48 seconds for my Karoo 2 running build 1.307.1266.12. I have the Alabama and Georgia maps as well as Italy downloaded. 6.4 GB used of 26 GB.
Garmin 130 plus - a couple tests had start-up in the 5 to 6 seconds. Interesting the Garmin units had the fast start-up times amount the manufacturers.
Well, Garmin has been at it for a while... as in, they created the market! So they've had some practice at it. :)
Wahoo Bolt: 33-34 seconds.
What about the new Roam 2? 😉🤔
Bolt 2 with latest firmware just took 36s for me too
Personally I’m not too stressed about start up time, while I’m putting on my helmet shoes etc. what does bother me is mid ride when you have a screen freeze and have to wait Road side for a manual reboot and ride recovery.
Bolt V2 37 sec - It shouldn't take any longer
just tested my karoo 2 and the result was 59seconds
Bolt V2 - 35 seconds. Already feels a little slow if I turn it on after getting in kit and everything else ready.
Exact same time for Bolt V2.
Hammerhead Karoo 2…..45 secs. Australia Map, Suunto Heatmaps, I have turned off (cough) firmware updates, I wouldn’t want my Di2 information to disappear off my screen would I Shitmano! Well - it’s quicker than loading Zwift on my PC, or changing worlds or joining a group event! (This takes an eternity!)
Your Karoo II test result is whole minute longer than the rest of us Shane
Yeah, and it's not good. I'll be talking to the team at Eurobike next week about this.
my 530 booted in 18 seconds. I wonder if these times vary based on how many routes etc you might have on the device. As you say, I think anything under 30s is good enough
I find the same (that more routes seem to increase boot up time)
How come no Lezyne units? Where I live there are plenty of people who use them and are very happy with them.
I simply don't have any.
Karoo 2 latest firmware, 5.4Gb storage used inc Heatmaps, 2 rider profiles 47 seconds.
Garmin Edge 830, updated and charged. Booted outdoors in 13.83 seconds.
Surprised you didn't do a review of the newest Dash L200.
Still waiting for updates…. The release firmware had too many issues.
@@gplama Tell me about it. So far, I have not been able to get it to read miles and speed from the sensors on an ebike. So right now, doing it off GPS. Had to send it to the shop to get that information as Stages support has yet to respond after almost two weeks. I'm still in the air whether to keep it with such bad support.
22 seconds for the Bryton Rider S800.
would a factory reset and then firmware check make them faster? a bit like a pc.. after so many years of use and updates, a fresh format seemed to make the fast again.
Maybe. Some firmware updates on EDGE units will go back and adjust all the stored activities (FIT files). That takes AGES on units with a shiteton of activities. Always good to back those up and clear out that folder every now and then.
One question...does this startup test take into account units trying to find paired sensors?
No, just the 'system' startup time. GPS/GNSS, sensor, and phone pairing usually starts once the systems are up and running.
In a nod to simplicity (sans Strava segments and the like) - 14 secs for a five-year-old Garmin Edge Explore. Of course battery life can't compare to today's units, but there's workarounds for that.
Edge Explore is a surprisingly good computer.
My Elemnt Bolt 2 (firmware WA39-14983) booted in 37 seconds. Seems fine to me.
My Wahoo Elemnt Roam with software version WR20-14983 took just under 36 seconds.
Which cycling GPS computer do you use when not making content for your channel?
I just started my Karoo 2 latest firmware full sensors, 51 seconds. No where near your 1.4x seconds!? What’s up with that?? Performance after startup trashes the others.
Indeed, I'm also around 50 seconds, but map and UI responsiveness are great after that. The Map is the best as is rerouting. I've been on few group rides, but was asked a few times what the Karoo advised to get back on track because most Garmins were lost (rerouting to the point where we left the route..)
My Karoo 2 booted up in 48 seconds
My karoo 2 52sec...
yep the karoo 2 is a lemon when it comes to start times (mine 1:35), now with the loss of shimano features, its going. then you have the karoo 2 laggy, windows with no ram like performance, looks so clunky.
I'd more interested in a startup time + resume current course comparison
Bryton 420 4 sec. Found satellites in 18 seconds.
I'll test my Karoo 2 when I get home.
Garmin 130 - 0:09
Karoo 2 - 0:48
I expected my K2 to be similar to that.... but nope. When the camera was on it was 🐌
Element roam 38 seconds. But my experience is that it changes from time to time. Dont think its particulary fast.
Lezyne mega xl, around 5 seconds
My Karoo 2 took only 35 seconds. With the latest firmware.
That's a LOT better than what I'm getting!
Garmin 520 took 20.43 sec to load from power on. Acceptable.
To be fair I normally boot my wahoo just as I’m finishing preparing for a ride to load routes ect. And with battery life I’m not bothered with the lost 5-10min while I get ready.
Stages Dash M50 (room temp, 85% battery) 34 seconds
ELEMNT Roam 36 sec.
I know since the last update my Wahoo takes a lot longer to satellite sync
Wahoo Bolt v2: 35.50 (Netherlands)
Roam, 0:43
Bolt v2 = 37secs