Why Pitching "Songs" To Publishers Doesn't Work For Songwriters: Do This Instead!

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  • čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
  • Multi #1 hit writers Clay Mills & Marty Dodson explain why pitching your "song" is the WRONG approach for aspiring songwriters and the truth about what you should be doing instead.
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Komentáře • 46

  • @SongTownUSA
    @SongTownUSA  Před měsícem

    Why Publishers Can't Save Songwriters: czcams.com/video/gC-fSjzK674/video.html

  • @allanburton9385
    @allanburton9385 Před rokem +8

    You guys are exactly right. When I first came to Nashville I met with a publisher introduced to me by a friend. He was gracious enough to listen to about a dozen songs. Each time I thought “this is the one that will blow him away!” Well, none of them did. He told me that none of my songs were pitchable. But, he heard good songwriting potential that needed developing. He set up cowrites with his writers. We ended up working together for several years and he is still a good friend. Like you say, he saw the bigger pitcher of who I was, even though he wasn’t interested in any of my songs.

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před rokem

      Yes!

    • @Ces911
      @Ces911 Před 7 měsíci

      write a song about the bigger pitcher!! 😄

    • @anonymike8280
      @anonymike8280 Před měsícem

      A bigger pitcher? You must mean, a 7'8" closer with a 134 mph fastball. I can hear it in my head right now. The Legend of Johnny Smoke. Wait, it's coming into focus even as I speak. Johnny can't stand the lights, the crowds, the travel or even the money. He closes out the big game, then walks off the field never to be seen again. He goes back to the hills, his childhood sweetheart and his first love, working on old pickup trucks.

  • @allanburton9385
    @allanburton9385 Před 11 měsíci +2

    No, I’m an attorney. Songwriting was a much loved hobby.

  • @richfyhr2279
    @richfyhr2279 Před rokem +4

    I don’t know anyone I appreciate listening to more when it comes to the reality of the music journey. Thank you both.

  • @basscase78
    @basscase78 Před 2 měsíci

    Excellent segment. I love that perspective shift of songwriters aren’t just pitching songs, but they are really pitching themselves.!!! That is so true because Nashville is all about the relationship relationships

  • @bumblbesss
    @bumblbesss Před rokem +4

    Just like movie actors in Hollywood everyone wants to be a star until you get a harsh wake-up call about just how many people are there. I imagine Being a Publisher is the same, you Just don't realize how many people want to have a song Published. Just like George Jones Said "But just a few are chosen To tear your heart out when they sing" or in this case write.
    Great job Song Town as usual 🎼🎵🎶

  • @bottomfeeder1307
    @bottomfeeder1307 Před 10 měsíci +3

    They want a great songwriter?
    How would they know that by a songwriter selling themselves by the words coming out of their mouth which may or may not be true? I know a lot of good salespeople, but they lack creativity for sure.
    A songwriters songs should be the deciding factor, not their sales pitch.
    Unless music producers don't really want great songwriters... Maybe they just want faces that think they can write.. In my opinion, quality of songs has been on a sharp decline over the last few decades..
    For example, one of my favorite songwriter's from the 80's is Diane Warren. As great as she was back then, she is nowhere near the songwriter she was. It's almost as if she woke up one morning and completely lost her gift, or perhaps the music industry has a leash around her neck.
    I prefer to believe the latter.

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před 10 měsíci

      Yes, the idea is to be a great writer who consistently writes great SONGS. Not be a great salesman. A publisher doesn't want to invest their time and money into one great song. Or a B.S.'er . But, they will invest in a great writer who not only writes great songs, but can play well with others and is willing to work hard to keep turning in great tunes. The total package.

    • @bottomfeeder1307
      @bottomfeeder1307 Před 10 měsíci

      @@SongTownUSA
      What if the songwriter doesn't need or want to be invested in?
      Seems that the industry wants to simply "hire" full-time session writers that can co-write with others.
      Why can't the songwriter only get paid a royalty on what the song can eventually produce?
      What if there's a great song writer that's already retired and collects a pension and social security that only writes songs in their spare time. What then?

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@bottomfeeder1307 That's awesome. We have lots of SongTown members that write for the pure joy and don't need to have a staff writer job. There are other paths. This video was about one type of road. Lots of room these days to create and get your music out into the world. We'll talk about this in a future podcast episode. Write on! Clay

  • @Biscaynedave
    @Biscaynedave Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thanks for the info, I live in LA so i should feel blessed, maybe i can find out where the producers hang out,

  • @angusbrown2712
    @angusbrown2712 Před rokem +3

    Aa I’m the First Viewer , so glad to hear this great Advice. ,

  • @theredheadedsinger
    @theredheadedsinger Před rokem +1

    This is such great perspective. One good song doesn't make you a good songwriter. Can you consistently deliver and inspire the rest of the room as well. Absolutely love your honest approach to the business.

  • @TJEvideos1
    @TJEvideos1 Před rokem +2

    Very cool. Great info and insight. Always learn something new. Thanks boys!!

  • @ColtonVanceMusic
    @ColtonVanceMusic Před rokem +1

    Subscribed - I really appreciate this insight, excited to learn from you both more!

  • @JeffBostick222
    @JeffBostick222 Před rokem +1

    Wow! Great advice. Sounds like realistic advice.

  • @mjinsantafe
    @mjinsantafe Před 2 měsíci

    Sage advice, gentleman.

  • @redcurrantrecords
    @redcurrantrecords Před rokem +1

    Thanks, great insights.

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před rokem +1

      Glad we could help. Thanks for listening!

  • @j9cayres
    @j9cayres Před rokem +1

    Great advice once again. Thanks C & M!

  • @transformationgeneration
    @transformationgeneration Před 3 měsíci

    This was very enlightening. You guys sound really down to earth. Thanks for the tips.

  • @UNREDACTEDTRUTH
    @UNREDACTEDTRUTH Před rokem

    Ok, I literally 'tripped' on this youtube- but I couldn't stop listening. Do you guys know Jesus? Honest question! The way your humility shines through is just SO incredibly REFRESHING!! Thank you & God bless you both!

  • @britneywinland6721
    @britneywinland6721 Před rokem

    Great video ! My problem is I have to analyze everything to death . So I have to learn everything !!! Producing , singing , playing , photography , and writing ✍️ I’m ok at all but I’m finding out that writing melodies and lyrics is what I love to do 😊 thanks this helped guys 😊

  • @davidkellymitchell4747

    I give them one song and tell them if they get that one in Billboard's top 40 I'll sign over 2 songs the next time and see how that goes. Plus if the publisher has never had a song get in Billboard's Top 40 you're wasting songs with them because most are song hoarders and sit on them. I've outright sold some songs for 5,000 dollars each and they have both writers and publishers rights. I'll do that before I'll let them sit on 30 songs that I can't do anything with anymore.

  • @EricJohnson-fh8zj
    @EricJohnson-fh8zj Před měsícem

    Whats the best advice for a songwriter, who doesnt nessecarily have a great sounding singing voice themselves? My voice just doesnt translate well on record. I write catchy lyrics and melody pretty good, and i can "hear" a lot of stuff in my head that i just cant pull off on the track. I can produce and record a bit (good enough for demo's), and i know i tend to thrive in collaboration from my younger days making music...but i dont have much of a social life (lol) and dont know any good singers myself.

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před měsícem

      Hey Eric, I know hall of fame writers that don’t sing much so it’s not a big deal. Collaboration would be key. Most of our SongTown members. Write over zoom these days as well as in person. I would check out or member site where you can start socializing without having to leave home. It’s a great supportive community and we can also help you get your songs heard when they are ready. Write on! Clay www.songtown.com

  • @kevinsysyn4487
    @kevinsysyn4487 Před 3 měsíci

    This doesn't help. It's how not to video... not a how to video. How do I reach a publisher I can pitch myself to?

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před 3 měsíci

      Hi, Both are important. We connect writers with publishers all the time at SongTown.com when the writer has songs that are ready.

  • @alejandrojerezrico3007

    From his words in minute 5 , I guess this guy will never sign a contract with Axl Rose or Eminem 😮😮. The goal should be detect an artist whose music makes you feel something big and different from others, IMHO

    • @SongTownUSA
      @SongTownUSA  Před 27 dny +1

      Absolutely! Great point. This particular section was dealing with someone looking for a publishing deal that is a writer only. And not an artist. Apples and oranges :) -CM

    • @alejandrojerezrico3007
      @alejandrojerezrico3007 Před 27 dny +1

      ​@@SongTownUSA ok, now I get it

  • @gasparucciox9706
    @gasparucciox9706 Před 9 měsíci

    intersting!