Why I'll Never Buy A Saddleback Briefcase
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Note The contents of this video are my own opinion based on my experience with Saddleback Leather having owned one of their products.
Saddleback has become a household name, and their climb to the top of the direct to consumer ladder has been based on their appealing rugged aesthetic. Made in Mexico from chrome tanned leather, stainless steel hardware, and an over-built assembly, they've captured the hearts of many men looking for a masculine alternative. That said, these are the reasons I'd never buy a Saddleback Briefcase, your mileage may vary and I encourage you to try them for yourself.
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Dude, I know it may be controversial but your dead on with your assessments! Well done video man!
+Ordinarily Dapper I expected that going in, but people need to know the truth!
Thanks for the kind words brother.
I know when you get something that last good while might think it was a good deal but good leather should last 20 years im old and have learned that always shop hard for anything that cost that much
The loud background music is killing me.
Put earplugs 🙉🫨👂🏾🦻🏾🎧♻️
I have the extra large briefcase from Saddleback and I absolutely love it!! I bought it about 7 years ago and I've used it for college. It still looks as good today as the day I bought it. It was pricey, but I feel it was still a great investment.
You made some excellent points but I’d love to see an update to this video.
11:05 - your 1945 option is now almost $700 (more expensive than a same sized saddleback)
11:30 - that briefcase is now almost $700 (more expensive than a same sized saddleback)
12:10 - Marlondo? Didn’t you criticize Saddleback earlier in the video for not being “made in the USA?” (4:07) Marlondo is manufactured in China; per their own website: “All of our products are made in our own workshop in…north central China near Xi'an.”
13:02 - that moosebrand briefcase is the same price but the saddleback XL’s briefcase price is now almost $100 less at $689.
Turn off the loud background music.
Lol Charles
Carl, I am now a subscriber. Everything you said here was spot on and it's the first time I have seen one of your video's, well done. If you maintain truth and honesty to this level unlike some of the other fan boy reviewers, then you will do well.
Thank you for this thoughtful response. Its an older video but the first time I ever made a "neagative" review. Since then I've certainly tried to maintain a neutral position, but admittedly my excitement can sometimes show if I really like a product. Regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to comment and subscribe. Don't be a stranger, I can definitely use someone to keep me in line!
Dude, you know you have a fan. I'm proud to say I'm your 500th subscriber. Keep up the good work!
+The DCFashion Fool thank you Barnette!
I bought my Saddleback XL briefcase in 2009. I still love it- it has aged beautifully and I can attest to the durability and craftsmanship having dragged it through canyons and cities alike all over the world. That said, I can't understand the price hikes. I'm priced out. You're assessment is fair. My sister has bought Saddleback in the last couple of years and the product doesn't seem as tough as what I got 10+ years ago.
Good points, Carl. I got my bags a few years back so I'm happy with the goods. But I don't think I will buy from them again.
You confirmed what I suspected about Saddleback. I can see where a person would like the aesthetic of the brands being visible and I could see it as an option but I wouldn't want it on something I take to work. The custom Hide 1945 is the ticket for me.....someday. Thanks
+Joshua Soojian that's my choice too, in fact I've been carrying it for over a year every single day. I'll get in touch with Custom Hide and try to get my hands on another one for a giveaway. Maybe you'll win it!
Thanks dude. Was loving the Saddleback look, but after your vids and a bunch of other research, went with Marlondo and am very pleased. You saved me a ton.
I bought Saddleback's Classic Briefcase 7-8 years ago. I've used it nearly every day since then, including some pretty rough use and lots of travel, but it still looks great and is in excellent condition. Too bad about the price increase, though. I've never seen a bag I like better, but the Marlondo bags look like they might be a contender.
You did piss me off... but the more I learn you are right. I love having a brand or stretch marks on the bag, doesn’t bother me one bit, but you shouldn’t pay extra for it, you should pay less. You are also right about vegetable tan. I learned that after getting into leatherworking myself. Thanks for your research, maybe Dave will pull his head out and fix it. Much love for him and all he has done.
Fair enough, and it's fair to give props to Dave for at least turning on more guys to leather goods.
I enjoyed the video, it's good to see what people are looking for in a leather product. My wife and I started a small side gig making leather goods, and your video is a good start to reach a goal to keep customers. Awesome job Thank you.
I’d love to see what you come up with, please keep me posted and good luck!
I definitely understand your points and they are all valid in my opinion. When I started looking for a leather bag I landed on Saddleback and after about a year of research I decided to buy one used off Ebay for half the price of a new one. I must say I think I lucked out with the price and overall quality. That said, I don't see myself ever buying a new full priced product from them.
Used may be the best bet. They’re not a bad product, just not a good value at full retail. Sounds like you got a good deal though!
Purchased a Marlondo after doing tons of research. I asked both companies for information about their leather and watched tons of reviews. Saddleback took about a week to even respond to my questions. The owner of Marlondo contacted me same day and emailed me a very detailed email about their products. I immediately bought their Double Space Briefcase and love it. Great video.
+Jeremy Breedlove Tim at Marlondo bends over backwards for his customers, thank you for bringing up another important point!
@@CarlMurawski I second Marlondo Leather. Great products and customer service. Every single person who saw my wallets from Marlondo loved it. My go to play now to buy gifts for my friends haha.
Found one at the thrift for $30. I was just online looking at how to set up backpack mode when your video came up. It's decent for my money.
Oh absolutely! You got a great deal there, and in the end it’s all about value.
Atleast someone is taking sense on CZcams! Thank you!
Haha, I've gotten a lot of hate but I'm not going to lie about the shady stuff going on.
Saddleback owner here from back in the day when their shit was still amazing. And I do mean amazing. Mine and my husband’s bags are about 10 years old. I’ve since seen one in the wild about 3 years ago. I immediately recognized the style and got a closer look. Got caught looking so had to comment, hey is that a SBL? Oh yeah they were pleases to be recognized with said monster bag. I was so sad for this person. Comparatively it was crap. Quality of leather just down the shitter. I was also aware they’d really bumped up their pricing structure so was doubly cringing inside knowing this person had forked over a mortgage payment for that crappy ass bag. I’ll forever keep mine. It gets cycled with my others. It and their pricing was what jumped me into making my own leather products. Been at it about as long as I’ve had my SBL and have gotten decent. Enough that family receives nice leather gifts these days. It’s expensive af for a hobby but it’s hella cheaper than therapy!!
I have the SBL tote, can't recall the name, and the big wallet. I purchased both from Dave's deal several years ago. I just purchased the big mouth backpack. I frequent the site regularly, however, the site has fallen off. I don't see the bags I purchased several years back. Actually, I don't see anything that has caught my eye. Now, the site isn't worth visiting. Until they get more items, I'll stay away for a while. Hopefully, Dave watches these videos and go back to how things were.
Hey, tone down your arrogance, ok? Sure, maybe you got an item that was better quality but that doesn't mean you should be belittling others. If that person is happy with it, then leave them alone. You don't have to feel sorry for them.
Excellent presentation! I bought a briefcase from saddleback, before the price hike and it's ok, but it has some design flaws. Now they're way overpriced, and, as you point out, they're not a luxury brand, not even close. Thanks for the alternative options list.
Just finished watching a nice backpack video from Saddleback and was all excited for it and then this video pops up next! Thanks for the info and I'm investigating the other options you listed as well as Saddleback still since I do like their look. I have to keep my dream of being Indiana Jones alive.
Haha, I love that! We’re all just trying to be Indy at heart.
If you’re looking for a backpack that’s everything Saddleback claims to be, check out Thrux Lawrence.
Very much agree with your assessment. Yes, I too wanted one of Saddleback but not any more, too expensive. For my briefcase I have two Hartmann, one 4 inch tradition leather briefcase, the other Hartmann a narrow tweed sided briefcase. Received many compliments on both.
FYI, please I beg you, cut back on the music; it is difficult understanding you over the music. Though I very much think your video’s are extremely informative, the music is a major problem. Now when I see a video you created I start it, when I hear the music I close it down. Mr. Muraski, cut out the music we came to hear you not fight the music.
I enjoyed your video very much. I admit that I own a few SBL products (was actually cleaning my front pocket briefcase while watching the video), but that doesn't mean that I didn't take your opinion into consideration. Fortunately, all of the products that I own were purchased before the price increase, so I'm glad that I own items that still had quality to them. Regardless, I will look into the options that you provided. Thank you.
It sounds like you got in while the gettin’ was good. Back then SBL was a good value, and they may very well last you for a lifetime. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
OMG! I love your Channel too much. All the information that is helpful.
Much appreciated!!!
Hey man what was the background music you used in the video? Lol btw great video. And which leather jacket companies do you think provide great value?
The background music is from a site called Epidemic Sound, but I forgot the name of the track.
As far as leather jackets go I'm partial to Himel Brothers Leather, but I was also really impressed by a jacket from The Real McCoy I tried recently. A bit more affordable is Schott Bros. NYC, and the leather jackets from Satchel and Page (which fit a bit on the slim side). Finally, I've heard nothing but good things about the leather jackets from Wested Co. but haven't tried them for myself yet. I hope this helps!
I just checked Saddleback and brands you offered more or less has the same price
David S. Hasanli this video was made 3 years ago
Thanks for the video. I was thinking about getting the 'tank' backpack.
Can you tell me how much this item increased in price as the link to the excel document no longer works.
Also, can you recommend a better replacement as I have looked at all the links you gave and can't find anything similar.
Thank you for this!!! I love the style of Saddleback briefcases but I can't imagine getting possibly a brand new one with a giant scar/brand on the front-they're supposed to be "rugged," yes, but I should hope that any marks would come from natural wear-and-tear and not just shoddy production.
Great video!! Do you still hold the same view about Saddleback?
Just picked up another SBL medium tobacco Waterbag for $711 last night on eBay, waiting with unbridled joy to receive it. Yes, there is a difference between actual value and perceived value from a customer’s point of view--and Dave has the right to be profitable (just like you and I) and I support that.....but
I will research your recommended brand and will post its quality.
I love quality in all my purchases.
Keep up the good work!
Much appreciated, I’m interested to hear your thoughts!
Carl, Thank you! I watched this video probably 10 times and ended up Getting a Marlando instead of Saddleback. I absolutely love it! I am now subscribed! Love the videos, keep em coming!!!
Much appreciated! I use my Marlondo daily and it’s a beast. What model did you get? They only improve with age.
Classic Briefcase - Limited Run of Vintage Tobacco Cowhide- I was lucky and scooped the last one. I love the look and feel of it but I am def. interested in the vegetable tanned leather, to be honest I will most likely get another one :-) you are right- bang for buck, you can't beat Marlando!!! Thanks from Canada!!!
Generally speaking, you do only have two options, either chrome or veg tanned leather. There are other natural methods. Veg tanned leather is the only real choice for hand tooled anything on your product. Veg tanned leather isn't as soft and supple "out of the box" unless it has been split to a very small weight (thickness) and conditioned heavily. Chrome tanned leather is a garment or upholstery grade leather. For briefcases, it means that the leather is weaker than its veg tanned counterpart.
The chrome tanning process is much harsher on the hide, the result is that the fibers in the hide are much looser (weaker) than their veg tanned counterparts. The chrome tanning process can be highly toxic and the hides themselves can cause irritation if the haven't been properly neutralized at the tannery.
If you have skin issues or tend to sweat a lot, it is probably a good idea to avoid a great deal of exposure to unlined chrome tanned leather. Chrome tanned leathers will damage metal and other materials over time unless the bag is lined with the proper material (holsters and knife sheaths are made with veg tanned leather).
It can be very difficult to determine the difference between chrome tanned and imitation leather. Lined imitation leather is about impossible to to to distinguish from chrome tanned leather. Imitation leather is very weak, buyer beware! The "Real Leather" tag or stamp is completely meaningless, you want full grain or at least top grain leather.
Suede is weaker than top grain leather. The bottom grain fibers are looser than the top grain fibers.
Chrome tanned leather is actually cheaper than veg tanned leather, the beg tanning process is more expensive.
Hand saddle stitched, while expensive, will outlast machine stitched products AND will not unravel if a stitch gets cut.
Another option is to contact a maker in your local market instead of the mass market options. For about the same prices, you can have it made to your specific needs. They can also produce the the matching accessories that can be difficult to find.
I live close to Mexico. One can get better Mexican made leather briefcases for a lot less. For what SBL charges a craftsman can build several for you.
From what I understand the Lafarc tannery is where SBL sources their leather and is a huge supplier to other brands as well (Thursday Boots). Is there any leatherworker you like specifically?
Any companies you suggest?
That is true my friend. I live close to the border myself....
Dude... Bang on. The quality of saddleback has greatly depreciated while the cost has gone up ridiculously
It's really a shame, but luckily its created an opportunity for some incredible new brands!
Wow…. Bro. I’m impressed you researched all this…. This is eye opening THANK YOU
I travel a lot - US, Europe, Mexico - by plane, car, train, walking. I have a strong interest in the travel bags I use. I’ve had a chance to own a Saddleback bag and have considered buying more for travel use. Great design, like the color choices, and the associated travel fantasies fed by Dave and buyers add to perceived value. But the reality is they are way to heavy. If you’re 20, lugging the weight is not a problem. But as I aged, I started following the general rule for pack weight which is hump not more than 10% of your body weight. I bought other bags.
All perfectly reasonable arguments, but I'm now seeing their competition raising their prices as well. Personally, I'm just glad that high quality craftsmanship is still available at all.
I’ve bought a SBL portfolio to hold my iPad and one of the wallets. They meet my requirements and weren’t expensive. The portfolio in particular is much more protective than any “cases” offered by the manufacturer and gives more flexibility since it holds business cards, pens and a writing pad. In the RE business and the portfolio sends the right message to clients.
Wow, very excellent points! I chose Saddleback as a top quality briefcase company I would later buy when I am further in my career and making more money, but your arguments have definitely made me rethink that!
I’ve always liked their stuff but never been able to pull the trigger on the price tag
Thank you. This was helpful. I recently saw saddleback but was turned off by the price. I like the options you listed. Especially Marlando Leather has some very good options.
Great opinion and thoughts. I purchased my saddleback leather large briefcase in 2007 winter for $398 including free shipping. I should've gotten medium size instead of large but back then price difference was mere $50. I still have it and still love it but only for what I paid for. Would I pay $600~$800 for the same bag that I bought? I don't know. I don't think I would if it's twice the price I paid for. I still believe saddleback leather makes great durable well designed product. But I do agree with you on "value" part of the product.
Thanks for the review.
I was in the process to buy saddleback and ready sent an email to them since my hometown not America. Saddleback is my dreamy bag since 2009 back then, but the cost was high for a college student like me, but I still want it and saving some money from my part time job but it still can't buy it. The price is rising from time to time, and when I have much money to finally ready have my dream bag I found your channel. After watching it I turned back and just try to find local craftsman leather on my hometown to custom a bag for me, and also I can help the local economy by buying from them since it still pandemic. Thanks brother.
I know what you mean, it's the same way I feel about Maxpedition canvas bags.
+RoccosPlace1 yeah, they LOOK like Mystery Ranch or Kirafu but they’re totally inferior. Good call!
Awesome video! Great job!
+MrLoiti 100 thanks very much!
I'm glad I found this before I made a purchase. I have a little more homework to do. Nice video.
It amazing how many people and leather companies have emailed me, thanking me for speaking the truth. A lot of guys don’t want to chance upsetting a company in fear of losing out on “influencer deals”. I’m happy I could be of help, a few other brands I’ve really become fond of lately: Satchel and Page, Basader, and Mascon Leather. Happy hunting!
Is your opening of SBL still the same now?? I’m in the market for a bag and I’m considering getting a SBL thin briefcase.
I was all ready to argue your point but you changed my mind and stopped me from buying a water bag. Thanks
First hand experience here with Ruitertassen (Thanks again!) and the quality is simply amazing. I can't imagine another brand doing it better, and if they did, not enough to justify several hundred dollars more.
Designer and other fashion house brands are a different story, and we can argue forever over whether or not their prices are justified, but if you're a brand going for that bare bones, everyman look, you just have to be more fair in your pricing.
+Christopher Hodge very well said, you hit the nail on the head man!
+Christopher Hodge very well said, you hit the nail on the head man!
Will Leather Goods, give them a look
@kshiftkometh yes. I can't believe I paid over $20,000 for their pvc bags. Yes, there's some leather added to their items, but, overall, the Bags are mainly composed of pvc.
Colonel Littleton bags are outstanding. I have two of them from years ago, and they look great, have weathered incredibly well, I have one for 17 years. However, the prices are crazy high. If I am going to pay as much as Saddleback charges, I'd get American Made.
Did you google ugliest bags available to find these???
Great video---thanks for the info. I'm looking into Frank Clegg
bags.
His stuff is top notch, I know the guys from AOS are big fans of his work!
Buddy, I am so glad I found you. You are absolutely spot on. I have several items from Saddleback Leather--bought most when it was a decent price (still expensive IMHO) and the prices now are outrageous. Dave must think we are a bunch of idiots. I refuse to buy anymore items from them--very disappointed w/his inflated prices. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the comment! I’ve taken my fair share of heat after releasing this video, both from people with legitimate points and fanboys alike. Yet I still stand by my opinions and it seems the majority agree with the points I’ve brought to light. Thank you for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts!
Thank you for the review! I am now a subscriber. I researched them and came to many of the conclusions you have in this great video. I ended up ordering a Polare with the same look and great quality for under $200. I have traveled with it to Spain for work 6 times and it has been great! Thank you for these great reviews!
Awesome, thank you!
Really helpful video, thank you. I am in that saddleback "gotta have it" mindset but this video was very helpful and very true. Hey do you review drums as I see what might be a sweet looking set behind you. Thanks for great videos!
I thought this video would offend me --being I own a lot of Saddleback products from briefcases and duffle bags to other accessories. With that said, instead..... I'm grateful you posted these comments.
I found your analysis and commentary to be objective, constructive criticism.
I like my Saddleback products but am going to consider your recommendations because I don't believe your intention is anything beyond being HELPFUL and HONEST.
So for that, I offer my thanks and compliments for taking the time to share these details.
I don't entirely agree with how Dave is choosing to run Saddleback -- making products in Mexico for example.
I also think you're correct -- the pricing is too high.
However, I do like the style and construction that Saddleback offers.
Lastly, maybe Dave would do better by laying off on the swanky Africa trips, lowering his price points, and decrease his high profit greediness by having more regard for the people paying to support his company.
I will say, if he continues increasing prices, he'll have one less customer with me!
You'll definitely get a lot of criticism from the die-hards. The quality has definitely dropped (leather and build quality). SBL has also given me some issues in regards to poorly built bags. Glad you voiced your opinions and you made a lot of valid points. Thanks for sharing!
+athletejmv plenty of people have drank the SBL coolaid, I'm glad to hear from someone with experience!
Not only is the bags are poorly made, the site hardly has anything worth buying. What happened to most of the items? The site looks a lil naked. However, I've recently purchased the big mouth backpack. I hope I haven't wasted $599 on a bag that's poorly made.
@@Moon11067 so what's your verdict? Good bag, or nah?
@@Moon11067 how was it?
Hey man, I'm quite sad that Saddleback has declined to this state. Bought a bunch of products pre-2015 and was interested in purchasing again, but have to look elsewhere after some research.
Do you have a new link to the price comparisons? the google drive is not found.
Thanks so much for sharing!
Hey man, thanks for the comment. It looks like they’re in the process of restructuring and adding/removing product. They recently added a new slim briefcase with some decent additions. I still think their price is too high, but people will vote with their wallets.
I’ll need to check out that Google doc and why it’s not working...
Thanks for the quick reply! Saddleback has really changed since I've last bought their products a few years ago. Just glad I got my bags when quality was of caliber. After rummaging through the site, I still want a few more, but am extremely hesitant from all the negative feedback recently. Wish they had an official store where I can physically ensure the quality before throwing my dosh at them.
If you get the google doc working again, please let me know! I found another source, but would appreciate your input as well. Cheers!
Will do, in the meantime have a look at Satchel & Page, and Thrux Lawrence if you're open to other makers.
Been wrestling on a leather briefcase choice for a week now. Great insight, thanks. Do you have any opinion on Buffalo Jackson's gear?
+Robert Messenger Definitely, Buffalo Jackson is a really cool company, in fact I was very close to pulling the trigger on their limited edition briefcase with the orange stitching. Solid value, especially their bison stuff.
I visited Buffalo Jackson's shop in NC last year and handled/examined their bags up close. They're AMAZING.
Just returned a Buffalo Jackson briefcase. We are partly to blame; it was too small & we should have known that. However, the bag had a strong chemical smell.
Basically, what you're going to get from a Buffalo Jackson bag is something very close in style and quality to Saddleback (Full grain leather, chrome tanned, made in Mexico, same level of craftsmanship), but for about 1/3 the price.
I was originally looking at Saddleback because their aesthetic matches my own, but I pulled the trigger on a Buffalo Jackson and couldn't be happier.
I understand where this vid is coming from. And I decided that I’m over with Saddleback too but then I saw their Flight Bag just recently and made an order with an early bird discount.
I saw that, and it’s a decent value. Could SBL be getting back to their glory days? I sure hope so.
I am buying one too. Phenomenal. And I own very nice hand made 100% veg tan leather bags made in the US. It's nice to have several options for the work day
The only thing I disagree with is the branding and scars. I know this is super objective but I like the imperfections. Price increasing and quality drop is a huge turnoff though. Your video is spot on
Thank you, Carl. You have just saved me hundreds of dollars. It's awesome that you're friends with Daver from Fragrance Bros. I've been watching (lurking) his channel since the early days when Jeremy was a regular.
Oh yeah man, Daves a good dude! I’ve known him for a while now.
I agree with all the points you addressed. I would be very upset paying those prices and having larger imperfections in the leather on visible areas. SBL is not the only brand out there that can make a rugged looking bag, many others can do the same or better and have a price to match the quality.
I own many Saddleback pieces. I have a large classic briefcase in coffee brown, a satchel in tobacco, a big leather wallet in tobacco and an old bull belt in black. I bought all these before that price increase. Even then, I hummed and hawed quite a bit, trying to find alternatives (read cheaper) bags elsewhere. However, back then (we're talking about 5-6 years ago) there were none. At least, none that I knew of. Even Saddleback was hardly known. I was thinking of buying a leather backpack. I want to thank you for turning me onto Marlondo bags. They are beautiful, use better leather and have that rugged styling that I like. My next leather piece will not be a Saddleback. I love my Saddleback pieces, but they were expensive, even then, and that price hike across the board did leave a very bitter taste in my mouth. Like everything else, popularity and demand raised the prices, and seemingly, drove down the quality as well.
It sounds like you got in while it was still good, but I agree with you about Marlondo. Plus the fact that they offer vegetable tanned and buffalo leather now as an option is really enticing. In fact I just ordered a single space briefcase in tobacco veg tan for myself!
All good points and you seem fair. That said, I love my square backpack. Just love the look. Expensive? Yea. But..., Mine looks great. Just my opinion.
Fair enough man, if it works for you I say rock on. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks for sticking your neck out there with this video. Was just about to buy a Saddleback bag, but went with a Marlondo one instead.
I'm having that same thought in a pair of Chelsea boots I ordered in a store.. I don't know if buy em or cancel it
Carl, I came across this video because I want to buy the saddlebacks tote bag. I respect your honestly and will checkout the other companies for tote bags. (No promises though) thank you so much for giving me more options
For what its worth, I just bought my wife a large tote bag from Basader. It's going to be tan Essex leather with purple edges, and made entirely by one woman in New Hampshire for under $300.00!
I couldn’t agree with you more. Bought Satchel and Page based on one of your other reviews and couldn’t be happier. Using distressed parts of leather remind me of those cheap leather briefcases in airline magazines that use scraps to construct the product.
I know you most likely won't see this but do you know about the quality of buffalo jackson? They seem to be high quality but I can't find much on them.
Yea you may get some criticism but you will also gain respect from others for telling it like it is, and that is more important for someone who does these kinds of reviews. I'll take the honest man's opinion any day.
I purchased their older style extra large brief case about 7/8 years ago as one of Dave's deals. I think I paid $478. Id call it a saddle bag with a handle, and straps.
Sounds like you got a smokin deal!!! If the prices were still in that range I’d reassess my opinion of SBL. My objection is less with the product and more with the business practices.
I purchased 2 Sbl bags, 1 wallet and coin purse from dave deals. I'm glad I purchased them 5 or more years ago when the bags still had the removable pig skin liner. I was looking at their site this morning and was about to make a purchase, but hesitated. Glad I did. If the quality is no longer there, I not going to waste my money.
Hi, I enjoy your videos and I appreciate your opinion on this, but some of the information you provided on the topic seems to be incomplete. I have no affiliation with saddleback, but I'm an engineer and I enjoy doing extensive research before making a purchase!
From my research what you refer to as a "decrease in quality" is a response to early customer complaints that the bags were much too heavy and un-wearable. The leather is still the same quality full grain leather just about 2mm thinner. Also the material of the hardware has been upgraded to (type 304) stainless steel which is substantially more expensive and resistant to corrosion than the nickel plated metal previously used. This combats the thought that there is an attempt to cut costs.
The chrome tanned vs vegetable tanned leather discussion is purely a matter of aesthetic preference. I understand that the owner aesthetically prefers chrome tanned leather, but the company has also recently sold limited runs of vegetable tanned leather bags for prices less than the chrome tanned bags. I'm guessing because the veg tanned bags did not require a pigskin lining.
Also I have found that Saddleback has been transparent about their prices, and the reason for the increase. They provided advanced notice to all customers that the increase was happening. Unfortunately I was not able to save up for a bag before the price increase... but I am glad to know that the majority of their profits go towards ministry and charity work in Rwanda and Mexico.
I hope this provides a little bit of balance on the issues you mentioned. Have a blessed day!
+Kamal Crues I appreciate your comments and always welcome different views and opinions, thank you for sharing!
That's whats confusing, the explanation Dave gave was that he didn't realize he was under charging and the price increase would let them put more money into trying new bags. I call BS.
Your comment/bird, has no wings; define bias.
Saddleback Leather pays their workers better than the average, a living wage , they have child care, schooling for older kids teaching them English, cafeteria , they care for the people that work for them in ways that most companies don't here because of the cost etc. You could look at this as better than foreign aid & it keeps them from becoming illegals here because their lives are exponentially improved over the average.
I do use the D rings on there all the time for umbrellas lol
I am looking for a wax canvas bag. I want thick canvas. So it is either Saddleback or Nutsac. Does anyone own both? Which canvas is more durable? Nutsac is made in USA. Sounds like SB is not. SB uses Scottish canvas. I like the simplicity of Nutsac. But SB has more leather on their canvas bags. Which will outperform in the marine environment?
This is a 2 year old video. They've taken heed to some of the criticism and have really improved the leather, namely the DCB color. If you're looking for rugged, SBL is the best there is. You can join a Facebook group and buy used to save some money, or look for a Dave's Deal on their site.
Help, what do you think about Satchel & Page bags, are they another good option?? Thanks!
I just got a chance to review a Satchel and Page briefcase and it’s excellent. French cowhide, vegetable tanned in Italy, solid copper rivets, it’s a beautiful piece.
New England Style Consulting Thanks a lot! (:
He's right !
+ray0fh0pe I keep trying to tell my wife this but she doesn’t believe me! 😁
I make custom leather goods. I don't even try to compete with foreign made leather goods due to I am a 1 man shop & I cannot buy the materials at the cost that the big companies do. I also do everything by hand with the exception of stitching. And I do offer hand stitching at an additional cost. I also will not try to compete with the foreign labor wages. But I always use top grade leather. Top grade leather will be very clean leather & not have any brands & crap like that on a side of leather. If there were a brand on it I would cut it out & throw it aside. I always give a customer the best leather available as I would want it myself. Brands may look ok to some but most don't want them. That is just screwing the customer forcing them to buy products with brands. That would be used only if someone ask for it in a custom made good. Brands are usually on 2nd & 3rd grades of leather which is a cheaper priced leather.
I'm a leathersmith and veg tan is the only way to go, it is fully customizable for color and much more. As far as marks, stretch marks are one thing, but the range marks (brands and such) are only included if they are requested!!! I talk at length with my clients and take several weeks just to design exactly what they would like. Yes, real handmade, leather bags are expensive they can take 100s of hours to make (especially if they are hand cut and sewn)... But if you are working with the right leathersmith, you will get everything you want, and amazing quality!
Is it really true that Saddleback leather is now inferior to what was produced years ago? I have older Saddleback bags purchased from eBay and newer bags as well. Although I like Saddleback I have other products too (SAB, Ghurka). I mention this to show that although I ‘m not committed to Saddleback alone I don’t see the difference in quality others see. What am I missing? Are any of the negative comments based on actual data or just personal impressions? Is Dave really using cheaper leather and hardware?
I haven’t seen a really good side by side comparison with old SBL and new, but the theory of inferior quality is pretty widespread. Back in the glory days of SBL you could really get a nice product for a decent price, and I think this where their brand loyalty comes from. I’d love to hear other people’s experience though, as I can’t really speak to any Saddleback products besides the ones I’ve tried.
Love the Roots bags
Had to subscribe. Sounds like you're into good leather items same as me. I love collecting leather bags/shoes, but good leather items.
Thank you very much!!!
Is there a bag that can compare to the saddleback water bag or baby duffel
Thanks for the video !! 👍🏻
Changed my mind I was about to pull the trigger say this and going to keep shopping thank you
+Rob Lacey there are much better values out there, I think Custom Hide May be the best bang for the buck going right now.
Thank you! I've been debating between a Saddleback or a Custom hide briefcase for my husband. Fortunately prefers the style of the Custom Hide Scholar Three Compartment w/ Pockets. Decision made.
Plus one on Custom Hide. I LOVE my satchel from them and it only gets better with time!
Just purchased the Saddleback $315 satchel that fits a laptop perfect and it’s amazing. Custom hides comparable options all run $420+. At least on that product saddleback was better priced and super rugged.
I've been looking for a good quality bag and right now I had been looking between nutsac and saddleback, this is pushing me towards nutsac
mr, you are full of knowledge. very informative. i m impressed.
Thank you kindly
Great review.
Saw one. Thought I'd like one. Saw the video on the build. Realized I could make my own for 1/4 the cost. So I did. Now we make our own bags. Funny thing about the brands, my wife adores those, I prefer clean nice veg tan hides.
Hi ! Where is a video on how to do one ? Sounds interesting !
Thanks for posting this information. I just wrote saddleback about their complaints about people making products that have similarities to their products then calling them “KNOCKOFFS”When in fact their designs are common sense, functional designs and not proprietary designs.
I asked for the descriptions of those parts they claim as proprietary so I don’t inadvertently include them in what I build for myself or; should I decide to sell it.
I just purchased a several perfect non blemish top grain full hides today and I’m looking into what I can make out of them.
Since I’m a working commercial diver; I’ll be making what ever; one at a time products in between diving jobs.
Since the government decided to sell off shore oil leases to foreign companies instead of American drilling companies. I’m going to do something else or in between jobs or sell drugs.. lol not!
My idea is to build custom bags, wallets purses, leather goods suit cases and brief cases; suited specifically designed for each client without stupid prices
The SEA TURTLE will be my logo and maybe called “the Mariners” brand.
I can buy leathers from Asia, Europe, South and Central,America, Africa and maybe American raw hides, including reptile hides.
Copper River Bags ... beautiful full grain, soft, inexpensive.
Ive heard good things about them!
I own a briefcase, a small tote, and beefy belt from them. Great company, I hope you'll make a feature on them soon, Carl.
You can't get real full grain leather without some scarring and marks - if you want a clean perfect surface that's personal preference and theres nothing wrong with that. However, coming from a leatherworker, I personally love those marks. They are part of the life of the animal that your bag came from and I see that as a beautiful thing. Also, just because they chrome tan their leather doesn't mean it's so much worse than veg tanned leather - both will last your entire life if not longer if done right.
I do agree with many of your points about SBL as a business but some of your points were just very specific preferences about what you want in leather and people should be able to maked up their own minds about those kinds of things.
You’re right, full grain does have its imperfections and as a leatherworker I’m sure you know that the hides are given a grade based on their imperfections. This is why companies like Marlondo offer their imperfect hide bags at a steep discount, and as you said there is a market for it. I’d just prefer to have a blank canvas for my own patina, the same reason I don’t care for pre-distressed jeans.
Looking back I did neglect to mention the advantages of chrome tanning over vegetable tanning and wish I had. Remember that the name of this video is why I’ll never buy anSaddleback briefcase and all of these reasons are my own preferences. There’s something about vegetable tanned leather I love- the way it breaks in, the way it darkens and carmelizes with use, the way the edges can be burnished. To me it’s the best thing until I can afford a shell cordovan bag! These are all just personal preferences, and I’m happy to discuss the pros and cons with people who understand the medium of leather such as yourself.
What I’m not tolerant of is price gouging and cash grabbing tactics that prey on people who buy a product based on a name brand they trust. This video isn’t for anyone who’ve already drank the SBL cool-aid, it’s for those who are trying to choose the best value and get the best bang for their buck.
I’d be very interested to see your work, and since this video gets a lot of traffic I invite you to leave a link to leave a link so people can see more. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Just because soething is given a grade based on visual impurities, though, does not necissarily mean that the leather itself suffers in quality - branding and scarring do not hurt the integrity of the leather. But you're right, at the end of the day it's how you use the leather, whether including imperfections or using clean surface. With jeans it's the same way, although I wouldn't consider scarring equivalent to pre-destress, it would be more like buying a bag that already had patina. The price gauging is not the right way, there should be more transparency maybe about their decisions regarding those prices. I have never bought or used a SBL product, and likely won't, but I do think that there are much worse businesses haha.
Also here's my website: KaiHuggins.com
lemme know what you think
Lets not forget that these bags are made in MEXICO charging premium US/European made prices.
New England Style Consulting Shell Cordovan bag!! $4000+ easy, more if that Wisconsin company makes it (can’t recall the name of the company), but the hardware and everything would be 🤮. Great dream...
I own many SBL bags and am a fan - that being said... you are right on all points.
It’s easy to be both, my coworker is an avid SBL fan even after the conversations we’ve had about them. Maybe he’s just slightly less enthusiastic now
Hard to justify the price for a foreign made chrome tanned bag. Might as well buy the ones made in Asia.
Was about to buy a SBL bag until I watched your video. Problem is I’m wanting a back like the SBL Doctor’s Overnight Bag and I can’t find any competitors that offer a similar product. I don’t like a duffel because they don’t hold their shape very well and the style just looks old-fashioned. Any recommendations?
Have you looked at the Satchel and Page pilot bag or Gladwell bag?
Just did now. The styling is not quite as rugged as what I’m looking for. I live in a rural area and I’m definitely a rugged, outdoorsy guy.
I have 6 of SBL's products: 2 wallets, 1 notepad holder, Moleskine cover, Bible cover and large front pocket back pack. I have to say that I do like them but 2 things that I don't care for is the weight and the price. I got all of my stuff pre-2015 and I talked myself into spending the money. My wife thought that I was crazy buying that backpack. The 1 product that I considered to be their best product was a small Bible cover with a drawstring but they discontinued it. Now they sell separate books of the Bible as a stitched book, to me, that is just someone trying to make a few dollars... or a lot of dollars. I use to brag on them but most people I know, can't afford their products.
Thank you for your comment, I think it cuts right to the heart of what the real problem is: value.
Greetings from Evening Star Lodge 101 brother.
Awesome, Michael Dempsey Lodge #327, Jena, La.
Love when a reviewer cuts through the BS. Great vid
I’d rather pay 100$ for a belt that’s infinitely replaceable then pay quadruple that over the next 20 years
The SBL belts are beast. You don't wear that belt, it wears you.
Hanks belts are even better for less money.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for this video!! I was set on buying a Saddleback leather briefcase, but I didn't know anything about all that you brought up. So informative and I'm very glad it steered (no pun intended) me away from Saddleback. I'm also glad you pointed me toward Custom Hide 1945 and their beautiful bags and briefcases! I never would've known they existed otherwise and that's where I'm buying my briefcase!
are there other companies out there that offer a lifetime warranty?