3 Reasons why Players and Creators QUIT GW2 | Guildwars 2 2024
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2024
- Hey Guys,
Here is my analysis on why the GW2 content scene, and why players decide to walk away from GW2. Though i have some pretty harsh criticisms of the game, know that i do enjoy and intend on continuing to create content and play the game. Unfortunately we cannot evaluate the game as what it should or could be, but what it is. I know i mentioned quite a few content creators here, and i dont have any ill will or judge how they decide to create content, I personally watch their videos and get their takes on various aspects of the game. Vallun's videos in particular helped me quite a bit when i was grinding sPVP.
Hope you enjoyed the video.
Cheers, and thanks for watching
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It just feels like the devs dont play their game... the new "content" (lack there of) is just so redundant.
The new weapons were a literal joke.
Raids and PVP are ignored and WVW has the worst community.
Which sucks cause i love this game so much! I just wish something gets a good change to revitalize my hope for it 🙏
The new weapons are barely used in any content. So sad
this is a problem lot of games have. The people who first design it are competent and passionate, but they leave for new challanges or get fed up with the corporate culture that grows up around succesful IP, in any case, the people who take over dont know anything about games, and they dont even play the game they are supposed to be maintaining themselves. They just have a university degree and figured they would want to work on games herp derp. and the ceo is afk, he is already loaded, and too busy counting his money so he just hires the people that he like and dont ask questions. and then game just cruises into irrelevance from there on. have a nice day.
@@fergus247 just like WoW and blizzard games.
Gw2 is one of those mmo's you come back to everynow and then when there is new content or balance changes knowing you dont have to grind for new set of gear and then take another break.
Very true, as a player with limited time it works for me. I definitely understand why people take breaks.
I personally always have GW2 as my secondary MMO while rotating between many of the Triple A Vertical Progression MMOs.
I feel GW2 is a great place to relax and play the game at your own pace. I play for the experiences that I have with other players.
I feel as I have gotten older, the concept of GW2 is becoming more and more appealing as the years go by and having more commitments out of the game leads to certain games where your gear and stats are constantly improved upon every patch becomes more of a chore than enjoyment. I prefer Horizontal Progression a-lot now, especially since I have branched out to many other Genres of gaming, I love the pick up and play formulae that most new games tend to focus on. Love it or hate it, GW2 is here to stay, especially for people who love the MMO concept, but rather than chasing a number every patch, we play for the experiences. In comparison to your typical vertical progression MMOs, every new patch you are focused on one thing, quickly acquiring the highest Item Level gear. Every quest, dungeon, raid, world quest you do, you are thinking of the gear, you are tunnel visioned on that one goal, while you are completely ignoring the new content in-front of you.
Even though GW2 has no gear progression, the ability to customize your build is quite amazing, sure if you want to maximize your DPS, there's only a handful of choices. You can choose to do harder content or stick with the more casual content. The beauty of GW2 is that you are rewarded for doing either. Now that the PvE Open World Legendary armor is released, players of all skill levels have access to the best gear in-game. Unlike in your typical Vertical Progression MMO where the best gear is locked behind difficult raids or pvp. Sure you can make counter arguments for each of these points, however what I'm trying to say is that GW2 gives all players an even playing field in terms of 'Power', the difference lies in your skill and dedication to the game, not some arbitrary number that is artificially increased every patch which leads players to be blinded to what's in-front of them.
This is definitely a great point, GW2 is largely scrutinized as the casual MMO, but it does cater to people who have limited playtime or prefer to play multiple games. It can be hard to break out of the grind grind grind mentality that other games of the genre push down your throat. I hope gw2 is here to stay, and maybe after a few years a GW3 would be nice if it's done right. At some point the backend will reach it's limits especially when you have games like BDO which are just visually stunning.
Hey Silhouette!
Was watching this and jumped in surprise when I heard my name . Great video, and wanted to throw my $0.02 in.
So I streamed gw2 DAILY for years, and I recently cut back to streaming it once a week + new releases, primarily due to me getting gw2 burnout. Like you I basically had done everything, I still LOVE the game but I had done everything in it so I started branching out to other games as well.
On the subject of $$ that you discussed, it will vary from creator to creator, but I can offer my own story if you are interested. I am/was doing well enough to support me, my wife, and my kid as a content creator and it was largely through my guild wars 2 audience but definitely not just through videos, but a combination of twitch, youtube, patreon, sponsorships, referral links, and other misc. Going to "variety" streaming was definitely a net loss money wise just because my audience shrank a bit, but it was good for my sanity, and the family is still fine. I'm a decently successful creator in the gw2 space and my videos are largely a labor of love, but they definitely couldn't support me/us full time on just those alone.
To really drive this point home, some months I pay an editor more $ than I make from youtube that month. I really am only able to do it thanks to things like patreon.
In terms of the game itself, I think I largely agree. Living world season 4 was my favorite story chunk of all of gw2 to date, and the amount of content in terms of maps and story in soto definitely pale in comparison to that (although I do enjoy convergences, strikes, and the new weapons).
And yes, I also dislike the "fill the green bars" thing. >.
Didn't know this would draw the presence of royalty. Thanks for taking your time to share with me. I've watched you quite a bit and I'm in a similar situation family wise (except kids are younger than yours) I really admired your transparency on the finances when all that twitch stuff came down, and figured you, teapot, and the likes were all more or less "done" with the game, and while in the short term losing some audience it will likely be better as it gives you growth opportunities in other markets. I am a one man show here, which will likely be the case indefinitely since I don't plan on scaling to the point that it would make sense. I hope my mention of you didn't offend-- it certainly wasn't my intention, in fact I have greater respect for all of the work content creators do regardless of the games they play. It means a lot to know that you decided to click on this video and give it a watch! I can now retire from youtube and GW2 in peace (Sike!).
@@SilhouetteGaming1 Royalty XD
No offense at all! I liked the video. And yeah I get the one-man show bit, that was me the first 3+ years before I started working with an editor, which allowed me to do more live streams.
Would you be ok with me showing your video to my audience? I found it very interesting and think it would make good discussion, and would point them in your direction. If not, that is totally cool, I would respect your decision.
@MuklukCZcams I would be honored if you would! I intend on sticking with GW2 for the long run. Hopefully you get some good inputs, I've been working through the comments as this got far more engagement than I originally expected. Thanks a ton!
I truly wish the best for you. GW2 has been getting some flak from people I been talking to as of late, and with the update of other MMOs around the corner, GW2 may be in the lime light for a bit during summer. @@SilhouetteGaming1
My guild and I quit for a few months now. I really miss playing with them but there's nothing new to do anymore, and whatever tiny amount of content they actually bother to add, it'll be terrible beyond belief. The only content I got to enjoy from SOTO was the endless rant with my guild. The tiny amount of story they add every patch gave us a few minutes to cry about the state of the game. Anet knows their community worships them and is using them to be complacent for years now. The fact that people celebrate how Cerus CM was released is frightening.
We will always love gw2, but now its clear that like we love it way more than the devs do, and have for too long. The way I see it, it depends on how good the next expac looks but gw2 is reaching its end soon. At least there's gw3 in the works.
I personally have a few problems with the game that weren't really touched on.
1. Open world pve just boils down to blindly following a commander tag through an event train. (Same with WvW)
2. The items constantly vomited into your inventory that have little or no value disgusts me. It's just spam clutter.
3. Pvp has been abandoned since the game came out. Where is an arena game mode? Where is a new pvp map that doesn't revolve around "king of the hill" gameplay?
4. Instanced pve content has a lot of gatekeeping going on. For a new player to try to learn they have to actively seek out the communities that teach new players or look up a ton of information to get the confidence to make their own group, and most people aren't willing to do that.
The game has a strong foundation and does a lot of things well, but it really feels like arena net has abandoned this to put in as little effort possible while still being able to vacuum money out of players through the cash shop.
1, Yeah i get it, unfortunately zerging is usually the most efficient, i typically stick to map-comping or instanced PVE in most of my gameplay. 2, there is a problem with the way they use the inventory- i typically use jade salvage to minimize junk items and i still have to clear out random trophies or event items. 3, sPVP needs some love, in GW1 there was a large variety of game modes that people really enjoyed, id love to see an alliance battle system implemented (copium). 4, that is true to some degree, i managed to break into some scenes through LFG and using guides to teach me but that isnt everyones cup of tea so i get it.
1.) That people blindly follow commanders in open world and wvw is on them, you can choose at any point to not do that, and in fact, on most maps you don't need to anyway.
2.) Actually most items have value, little, sure, the game for the most part is going the route of many little rewards than can be used towards a bigger goal of your choice rather than a big random drop, which do exist as well.
3. Yeah PvP is abandoned, its a failed part of the game and Anet seems to have decided to not further invest into it. Fair enough in my opinion.
4. There is a lot of gatekeeping but you got to consider that people with limited time, that went trough trainings and misery and just want their content to get done and not teach others have a fair point in asking for experienced groups as well. Theres actually quite a good amount of guilds that will take newbies and show them the ropes, but what I'm not really seeing is newbies just taking a little initiative, getting together with other newbies and learning the content by themselves. It's always whining that others don't take them by the hand and offer them their time and patience for really, nothing.
Its nice you recognize its a PERSONAL problem.. i get it, you may not be alone but just consider this:
1. Open world is massive, depending on the meta train you can do 10-15 maps, of the 58 available, not to touch on the matter than clearly a meta train only moves 10inches from the waypoint (thats without using a tp to friend). If thats your "Open world" experience, you are missing a lot (heck Athis have so many videos about open word, even "how amazing this rock looks!"). As fow WvW, there are entire builds designed for roamind and dueling, they wont follow a tag, again, you are missing content.
2. Most items can be used to craft something usefull, ofc you dont need to care about crafting everything, but maybe someone else wants those Chak Eggs you have roting in there.. As a tip, you can slot an invis bag to throw unidentified stuff plus some shit you have around, so when you salvage all they wont be destroyed.
3. There were stuff, but i get your fair point there.
4. Imagine being on the other side, 2500 LI and a fresh randomly gets the shield when Xera is at 6% (all die and restart). Today the rooster isnt that demanding of KP (except on reset maybe), so do your part, watch a guide on yt for 5mins and you are set to go.. you can do IBS EASY 3 without a guide at all!! Or join a discord or pve community guild, most exp players dont care about explaining stuff to newcomers, just dont expect a high end group, were we know what the other 9 will do without looking to be as inclusive as a teaching room.. even when i was the one learning it make sense in my mind.
Sry if i sound rough, its not my intention to be harsh, but to make clear that you are missing a lot of experiences for your own good!! Its an amazing game, full of stuff to do, time to sink and friends to make.. dont miss on a wonderful experiences just because Anet didnt hold your hand through it, eventually, with some luck, you'll see my point.
@@fernaxv "Friends to make" lol everyone I met on there was a bigger maladjusted weirdo than even FFXIV fans which is a lot cuz theyre weebs.. Even all the GW2 fans outside of the game come off as unhinged and very "under the rock" level of sweatiness which is creepy
This post reflects why I quit perfectly.
As a player, the title is offputting. But surprisingly, this is a good insight. Especially about viewership and content creators. It is indeed concerning.
However I have a different take regarding horizontal progression. Because of that, you can step away from the game, for years, then come back to find out, your gears and build are still relevant. It doesn't force you to play. There's no endless race to being the top dps. Whereas on other mmo, there's always this need to catch up with the meta. Take a few months away and you'll fall off.
Last time I took time off the game and came back, everyone was using flying mounts and I had to walk everywhere. I could no longer keep up with meta event trains.
Yeah, except in guild wars you get power crept in different ways. You come back after a 5 year break and all of a sudden you can't travel any maps efficiently to keep up with other players. The best builds are now locked behind expansion release classes or items. And don't get me started on the endless amounts of specific map currencies....
I think it is fine for a few months, i started playing this game back at launch and i was Active Duty at the time, was able to go on deployments or do long weekends away without feeling like i was missing much. I would actually have my wife log into my account and click my log in rewards when i was away so i wasnt "missing out". anything outside of major content releases is kinda iffy. The Skyscale really changed things up, but even then its easier to get now with "Return to" achievements and SOTO. for me i dont have much time to play, so a slow content release is okay for me. I dont really have enough time to get value out of a 15/mo subscription either.
@@XAn0nymousX0 ofcourse you'll be somehow "left out" if you take a break for years. but what mmo doesnt? they will release new contents so its inevitable. It just differ as to what extent. maybe if you took a break before mounts, that's alot to take in. But you didnt have to farm for new gears or new levels just to jump back at other contents like fractals, wvw or pvp right? I took a break for 3 years and went back this year for EoD and SoTo. Sure I dont have the jade bot and turtle mount but I was able to jump right back in at T4 Fractals and WvW as support and Strikes as DPS with no problem using my old ascended builds. Which means I was still able to enjoy those contents i like the most on day 1 as a returnee and not forced to grind for new gears or level to the new level cap.
@@australienski6687 Gw2 with mounts seems a whole different game. I started playing after PoF (around 2019?) so I can't relate. I can see why a returnee before that expansion may have a different take than mine.
Awesome video and such great talking points!
The upside of it being such a challenge as a content creator is that you have to be passionate about the game and community to keep putting yourself out there.
From my own experience I'd also have to say that the resulting support from the community has done so much good for me on a mental level.
Keep up the great work Phandrel, I do enjoy your videos and can definitely see the effort you put in. Glad to see you stopped by. Best wishes for you and your goals! Keep on pushing!
I love gw2, its fun for a casual. But im tired of playing the wiki or begging guild mates to help with old achievements or similar.
It can be rough on older stuff. There are still quite a few achieves I haven't gotten because I missed the boat. Maybe one day I'll get them done.
lol that is so true like some of the achievements don't even tell you where or how to do something they just expect you to "figure it out" which can be rather unreasonable given how large the game is.
I have been struggling on what to do when I log on. Then I see a long list of things to do for so little. There is too many things to keep track of and I just stare at my character for a little bit then log off
Also. Why haven't they updated the graphics just a little?
@DmarshMan92 graphics: havoc engine problem. It's old af.
What to do: you should get fractal god. (That's what I did)
The new release model is basically what they said they would do (and started doing) after LWS4 before being forced to work on EOD. No more expansions, only living world. They just rebranded “living world” into “expansion”, but even that’s a stretch, as SOTO has way less content overall than even IBS.
After it's all released it'll probably feel similar to IBS. It definitely does feel like IBS rebranded and sold as expacs which is fine, but the features released for this first one aren't personally my favorite ones.
Good video, you wake up my DoomerGirl side! but you are right, pretty much on everything. While I am not a dedicated CZcamsr and my focus is a website platform I know the struggles of it. (I use youtube to lead traffic there, 2 channels actually)
Ultimately it's Anet management fault, wasted resources on bad marketing for years and sadly it keeps happening, as someone who had a glimpse from inside I did understand many things and if you really want to survive as content creator you need to use GW2 as start and drift to cover other MMOs.
GW2 is now a seasonal game so people play new stuff and leave, then come back when a new patch lands, and while that cadence is now faster it is also shorter so it ends being the same or even worst. The player retention is gone, and it's not just new content what is needed, even just balance in the right way would help a lot and this is affecting WvW the most right now.
Most of the veterans who keep making GW2 content are just passionate about the game but sadly Arenanet management choose to keep ignoring the creators who really care and caters to the wrong minority.
I have to admit I am surprised by your content, I assumed it was a more negative style (due to the doomer avatar xD) but you are doing pretty good, this is smart talk and reality, I subscribed :)
What an honor! I have mentioned your website in a few videos and am honored you took the time to watch. I try not to doom to hard, I'm just a dude who likes the game and is using content creation to stay engaged. I'm reasonably passionate about the game but after 20+ build guides I was more interested in talking about something else. I'll try to keep the non-guide content coming and try to keep the message even keeled! Thanks Jen :)
Anet is disingenuous tbh. I recommended GW2 to my new friends but after couple of weeks they got angry at me after buying the expansion because the Living Worlds were not included they thought it was already in the expansion now they have to buy it by gems or gold.
The way they package their expansions is confusing. It's like "the ultimate collection" "the complete collections" and "the ultimate complete collection" I just get scammed in general because I buy the 100 dollar collectors edition every time a new one drops. Rip
Thanks so much for this thorough analysis, and for opening this conversation! I came from Mukluk's channel, and had a tangential awareness of some of these issues, but wasn't quite as well informed as I thought. Look forward to seeing more of your stuff!
Thanks man, it's always my goal to get better every time. I'm working on the next video now, so it should be up sometime next week. Thanks for showing support!
I left game when they released Raids.I played gw1. I played gw2 7,616 hours and after Raids i left game because problems is i am solo gamer i don't like communities where others demanding from u "you must to be READY for Raids, and if have no ascended armor and weapons and exact build then f.. off".
So i f..ed off . Actually i have ascended armor and weapons on my 14 characters, but in that moment i understood that game goes wrong way and this game not for me.
What is that website for legendary armory that I may want to manually input legendaries? I'm on Chinese server so I can't share my API to gw2efficiency.
It was GW2Efficency rip :(
Class bias is indeed strong af in this game lately.
- Necros is the only class that is allowed to strip boons and serves as universal "band aid" to boon spam that both WvW and SPvP have. And no, for some reason other classes can't have it.
- Then there is the ranger, ever since it has stopped being a meme post-HoT, it rolls in some ridiculous braindead low skill build, always at least ONE either a node holder or literal frigging ERASER. It's the only class that hit me for 32k 1v1 on WvW in 7 years.
- Somehow permadaze on mesmers and mindlock is still a good thing in Anet's eyes.
- Stealth still desynchs if the target pops out for too short in lots of cases.
God forbid either war or rev get a build that could compare to top cancer that roams both modes. Instead - get fucked by class that can throw skills at you without looking at you, because that makes sense.
Rant off.
I don't play wvw enough to know the state of the game mode this well. I mostly go and just get rolled for a couple hours and get a gift of battle rip
I agree pretty much on all the points you brought up. I'm myself still confused that raids got dropped for strikes and even Grouch mentioned it once in Teapot's stream that they look at metrics/statistics on what is popular in the game or not and while this was a year or two ago, Grouch said that at the time raids seemed to be less popular. But to me strikes also feel really bare bones sometimes, not to mention lot of mechanics can be just... totally ignored, but issue is, if they make it too complicated (aka the easiest baby mode mechanics from FF14 and such) then people will complain, because a lot of casual people have barely learned the basics of the game, because they never needed it.
To me the game is fundamentally broken by the old "promises" aka no raids and what not, then still making them. Raids in WoW/FF14 etc work well, and can expect players to get into them and learn, because its there since the start and caters that playstyle of the game while telling a story. But GW2 was just like "F that, anyone can do what they want" and now it really feels like they regret that decision from the start. Since they don't go back to old content and change them (I still hope that one team they have for past content fixes will do it tho) not much will change, some people doesn't even know raids exist in the game. It was always a weird change to me from GW1, considering there was actual "hard" content in GW1 and the game is still more punishing for being an "idiot" or making bad builds, but in GW2 you can make bad builds and have absolute nonsensical gear/stats and still do well for PvE... until these people hits group content, where they get 'punished' not by the game, but by the people who they join.
Been with the franchise post prophecies release, love the game, just as much as you are on both as well. On the creator side, I'm on a very niche part with memes and sh*tposts, occasionally "haha funneh guides" that still tries to be educational, it's insanely hard to grow (though that's also because of how the algorithms been influenced by lot of kids these years, needing faster content release and shorter video times) compared that I've been here as an "OG" youtuber for GW2 too, while back in the days we had more meme creators, like Shampoo as well, now it feels a bit sad that it's practically me and Laranity around doing random entertaining vids, thought some creators show up here and there with random memes. Kinda 'sad' to see that everyone has to pump out educational/guide videos constantly to be relevant and get engagement. I'm myself still surprised am around and still relevant lol, but I will last until the game last anyway.
As for avoiding burnout myself, it's one of the reasons I do actually enjoy GW2 for, it doesn't shackle you, I can play whatever games I feel like playing beside it without having this dreaded feel of "welp... am wasting by sub aka money not playing it non-stop". Overall glad to see someone else with very similar thoughts and perspective as me, without unnecessarily doom and gloom or rage over the game being "sh*t"
Noxxi! I definitely know who you are lol. As you could probably tell I do visit reddit quite a bit and have seen quite a few of your videos, particularly enjoyed the "RaLly To mE AsCaLoNianS!" Fractal video. As a novice video editor (literally started with Power Director 17 for first 20 videos before moving to Capcut) I definitely respect the time it takes to put together some of those memes. The days of "red vs blue" with a funny script and /talk memes are over. I used to try to incorporate memes in a lot of my build guides, and used a handful of them to break up my analytical monologuing in this video.i ultimately moved away from using memes as openers because of engagement analytics. i do feel like guides are important for any game, but at a game this age there's only so much spin we can put on a particular guide. I started creating mostly due to my limited playtime and have found myself having significantly less play time because of it lmao (instead of an hour a day I play just to get B-roll for whatever my /next/ video is going to be about). In some cases this works out, introducing me to new builds and so on. But ultimately I wanted to engage with the community at a larger scale. I did consider including Laranity in my creator mentions, however the people I did mention were more in line with people I actually watch or have kept up with up to this point, which I am very glad nobody seems to have taken offense to their mentions. Thanks for taking the time to write your comment, I've read quite a bit of your posts and am grateful you took the time to share your thoughts with me here. I feel like a lot of your takes (here and and in other public posts) are spot on!
PvP and "welp... am wasting by sub aka money not playing it non-stop" were the only 2 bad things about WoW before Blizzard became Blizztard. It's a big relief when you jump games and suddenly you do daily stuff because you want to and not because "the sub can't go to waste, right?" Now after 4+ years and also getting a job I am sometimes too lazy to even do dailies and I am just losing on some gold plus the WV currency.
isnt the difference between asc and exotic like 12% not 5% or im bugging. the stat diff is like 10%. damage diff is 5% still cause precision and stuff doesnt convert to "damage"
you right. i was referring to the damage output difference. 7% DPS meter difference.
I couldn't agree more about the community going too easy on Anet. It's like Stockholm syndrome or something. As someone who's part of multiple mmorpgs communities, it baffles me how this company managed to enchant its audience and get away with so much dubious, sometimes borderline scummy shit. And, of course, when people call them out, the rest of the community will dogpile you and say that you're the reason why the CMs/GMs won't interact with people and why the company has such poor communication with the players generally speaking. It's insane.
GW2 community is heavily censored, that's part of the reason why. I think there are a lot of people who are critical of Anet but there's nowhere for them to express that. CZcams's probably one of the few places where you can still say what you want but all the big creators are held by the balls through the Anet partner program so they can't get too critical either.
A lot of people cling to an image of Anet that's 15 years outdated and Anet's very careful with maintaining it. That's why they wall themselves off from the community, except for 2-3 devs they put on for show every now and then.
Anet is around the corner from Korea town...
I was criticizing Fractals and a partner of GW2 got my account perma banned... I had to reverse the decision and boy ofc had a Reddit account and arrogantly said "goodbye to your account" with such smugness. There's a lot of corruption going on in that game in general like hacking and cheating in PVP that Anet does nothing about. Scummy game, very very scummy and full of trolls from Pakistan, India who got nothing better to do.
Kind of tired of farming for legendaries and infusions, same rotation and everything gets boring if you are doing it for nearly a decade. I might play gw2 in the future, but i am happy playing other games more. You can barely see a dev playing now than years ago when i used to meet devs randomly few times every month while exploring or farming for something.
I definitely feel like there were more active devs back in the day, these days the devs just do their job and likely don't play the game overall.
I'll just say that I have 5 max characters, 1 Legendary each, mounts, etc. And if my account were deleted or was hacked, I wouldnt care even a little bit. I just feel that unconnected and attached to this game. Everything is so easily gotten, so easily forgotten i guess.
I stopped playing after experiencing their “balancing” updates, I’m not into that gimmick. If you have to keep the game fresh by reshuffling moves, that sucks
It is kinda lame that "the balance is the content!" But sometimes WvW PVP or even PVE gets so over optimized that certain classes just die. Thief is in one of those spots currently. Hopefully March will help with that.
Longtime franchise player here and I completely agree with your assessment of the state of things. A friend of mine and I tried, unsuccessfully, for probably 2ish years to bring over a group of our friends, maybe 15 or so people. This was maybe... 5 years ago. EVERY one of them who came over were like those Reddit posts you had highlighted. They were all veteran gamers, but were completely lost on how to move through the game's content. My fellow vet friend and I had a guild with an upgraded hall for them, talked them through beginner basics, gave advancement, build, and gearing tips, brought them through fractals, ran story instances, and on and on, and still, they ALL bailed after anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months playing.
And now, I can't even remotely justify ever making the attempt to do that again, because at least back then as you pointed out, there was a decent, substantial structure to the game's releases and the xpacs had a ton of content. The ridiculously inconsistent release windows, dropped/neglected narrative hooks, plot points, characters, and the abandoned game modes have just left me feeling ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Even my vet friend has bailed, it's just me, everyone else is in FFXIV.
Thank you so much for this thoughtful analysis. And your transparency on what things are like for you as a GW2 content creator was... a huge eye opener. I just subbed and I hope you continue doing vids like this for the game.
I am a "all weather" GW2 player and vet. I've been in your situation numerous times through the years and have become somewhat nomadic. Ultimately this foray into content creation is a recent development (about 7 or 8 months now) so getting a peek behind the monetary curtain of what some of the larger more established creators have known was eye opening for me! Pretty much all of the revenue minus taxes goes back to the viewers, and more analytical videos are in the works; thanks for the sub and I hope you enjoy the content :).
Played this a ton for over a year straight but it just got to the point where I would login for the sake of it and maybe do fractals/raids, kinda wanna start over at some point like teapot did, but will take a break first and see how I feel then. It's nice to see videos that aren't guides
I'll try to come up with interesting concepts and make some videos that aren't guides. I feel like they've been done to death and even after making a ton of them I felt pretty uninspired. A rinse and repeat template. Not to say I won't be doing them anymore but I'll definitely try to incorporate more videos like this one into the mix.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 When I started playing, the guides I looked for were about gold making, what to do after hitting 80 and top gem store items. The only person that had those videos was mostly Teapot aka the wow streamer nowadays :D no idea if things are kept up to date for 2024 with the big march sales but I doubt much has changed since then
@dimitarivanov8864 There are some creators that jump on any bit of news or updates regarding the game for some easy views. It ends up being the same video with different flavors. I don't want to say I don't care about viewership or growing my channel, but I'm not concerned about min-maxing my views or ad impressions, which some creators (not necessarily in the GW2 space) definitely seem to do. I ultimately started making content because I enjoyed listening to takes about the state of the game or community, TEATIME was in the weekly rotation and I thought it was cool that people were interested in talking about the game in a more /meta/ sense, instead of just crunching numbers or gawking over xyz skins.
GW2 has always succeeded despite Anet's best attempts at sabotaging it.
At its core it's genuinely one of the most fun and well made games out there, but it feels like it's managed by a company that doesn't even want to make games anymore.
I think every problem with GW2 can be traced back to deeper cultural problems at Anet which started around 2010, like being allergic to anything competitive. Competition's fun and drives engagement but they view it along with difficulty and self-improvement as something "toxic".
To put the game back on track you'd need to fix Anet, and nobody in management has the balls to do it right now (or worse, they are actively part of the problem). People in the community who try to shut down any form of criticism or negative press just let Anet be even more complacent and take us for granted which is ultimately bad for GW2, so I appreciate honest videos like this a lot. And who knows, maybe one day Colin will take Anet back to its roots and deliver the KINO.. we'll see.
I hate the game for not being like WoW. I love it for not being like WoW too.
I want to make GW2 content. what would y'all watch? genuinely curious. As a new player that loves the game I want to upload something that's not done already.
hmm try starting hardcore mode, hardcore mode means if your character die then you delete that character and start a new one
Start making content and build credibility by being able to clear and complete the content you talk about. As a new player you can share your perspective on certain aspects of the game in comparison to the games you came from playing. Ultimately the journey is your own to make, and topics will come in the community, Ultimately just make the ones you think are most valuable to the community.
@@Skadi.- wow that sounds insane 😭 i’ll check that out
Vertical progression games give the illusion of characters getting stronger but actually they have just been resetted instead. Gw2 has unfortunately introduced power creeps over the 10 years, it's why so many world bosses die so quick.
GW2 is one of those games I always wanted to like but just didn't. In fact I have played GW1 significantly more since the release of GW2.
Kitty's not mentioned in this video but as a buildcrafter and guide/meme creator (and lots of gameplay on builds that elitists wouldn't want you to hear about), she's also effectively quit. A bit similar reasoning as shown here but guess she could go into some detail.
2. As someone interested in instanced content, there's been too little content in recent years for Kitty to do much that she hadn't done already in her almost 1k videos (well, instanced stuff she could do on less-than-optimal builds without being insta-kicked). And recent content releases just haven't been to her taste. On top of relic fiasco (recently fixed but too late), SotO story started so boring and Kitty doesn't like the visuals that she hasn't got to 2nd map even. Also, though they have indeed worked quite a bit on bringing good bunch of "useless" weapons to borderline viability, there's still work to do. But big issue Kitty's had for a while is that the powercreep has also made many builds just viable enough for Kitty to dare to play to become completely unable to compete even if Kitty played them to 98% efficiency. But even if they got balance completely fixed now, it'd still be too late for Kitty as...
3. ...as someone playing on NA, there's just not many opportunities for recording videos anymore as raid and strike LFG have been completely dry of any life when Kitty's logged in a couple times. They say that NA peoples have moved on to discords but those aren't usually fans of having the runs recorded and published (even though Kitty doesn't show names in her videos/logs and she'd mute any possible audio) so...no can do.
And another thing is that even though it's clear that Kitty's educated opinions on buildcrafting aren't popular (though she can justifiedly say she's been right on bunch of stuff), she isn't the most skilled (lady o' too many builds) and her personality isn't easy to deal with, the amount of flak she's got from certain parts of the endgame community and esp. some going very personal does outweigh the support she's had from other parts. GW2 community is generally pretty wholesome but...some loud minority to ruin it. Just...too much is too much.
And finally, is content creation worth it? In GW2, unless you're a streamer making either good-yet-short guides or memes for casual players or just have a really interesting personality and on top of any of those also have socials/extra content outside videos/streams, Kitty would say "no" on most cases. (Kitty's not a streamer, her guides have been too long made for too niche content, thus not many views on them, and she's a rather boring personality so...she learned the hard way.)
Even though GW2 is currently in top 3 among MMORPGs, for a creator its bane is its lack of presence in and out of internet and if the game can't create and maintain hype around it, it's hard to ride on its wake unless you're a good enough creator and grinding hard to create the hype by yourself. Though then again, Arenanet is a small studio with extremely limited resources compared to its competitors.
For an altoholic casual player, GW2 may be a good choice due to superb QoL, alt-friendliness (required by design), extremely open living world, most versatile (yet player/efficiency-shoehorned) build system and smoothest combat.
But for better story, instanced content, housing, gathering+harvesting and many other things (though with older-school combat and quests, limited build variety, total alt unfriendliness and sub fee if you buy Shadowbringers expansion, current free trial is up to level 70 with Stormblood recently added in, similar limitations as GW2 free trial)...there's the other big MMORPG that Kitty totally doesn't play these days and won't name here (ahem...FFXIV...ahem).
Hey Kitty, believe it or not I have seen some of your videos on more niche or off meta builds. There definitely are problems with Anet and the resources they have available; or how they use those resources. I don't see myself quitting for some time, and I often command my own groups so if nothing is up I just blast it myself. I hope you find joy in some games out there, even if you feel GW2 isn't the right place for you.
I saw this video through mukluk and it gave me hope more good stuff will come out. I have no other way to support other than liking, watching (even again) and subscribing, and I’ll continue to do so. You guys inspire me a lot to do the same (and maybe be poor forever), but in my native language, which would an audience of cents… but hey, I could also do nothing and never see the outcome. I’m derailing a little bit so back to the video: thanks for sharing. Your honesty is greatly appreciated. Hugs from Brazil.
There is a pretty large south American gw2 community, though Portuguese is probably not the largest. Thanks for your support I will do my best to put out quality videos :). Keep it up, consistency is half the battle.
Love the horizontal progression. But the game is too sweaty, fast-paced and mechanically complex for me. On top of that, crafting, which could hook me because I love to mindlessly grind regularly, is too complicated. There are too many of items and currencies to wrap my head around. And the last but not least - I hate time gating and specific events luring.
I think time gating is despised by the playerbase as a whole, and crafting is pretty straightforward compared to other games but I can see your frustration.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 crafting as a process is simple, yes. But aquiring all those items, getting to know where to get them, getting to know where to get the recipes and most importantly tracking all that shit is frustrating. I wanted to start working on my legendary the other day and that thing just blew my mind.
I am okay with the fact that I have to grind half a year, I am just not ready to put so much cognitive effort in things like items tracking every day. It feels like I have to use some addons or create an excel sheet for that, which I have more than enough on my job =.=
I really wanted hard fights like the new one but not like that, I dont wanna fail because me and my party are not doing benchmark numbers, I wanna fail because there are fun and interesting mechanics we are failing at until we learn
Yeah! I feel the same. If it's fair and I don't want to engage that's one thing, but to have it be tied behind an insane amount of playtime is a different story
i played from day 1 on and off till like 2nd story update of EoD. the day they add that item that every1 can use to stun everything the brake bar meant nothing and boring. bin thinking of selling my account. dont have shop items but lot AP and like 18 or more characters back when gold to gems where not so bad
Going through everything once in gw2 is fun, but after that the game gets very repetitive and the end game PvE combat isn't very engaging.
I have seen your channel since literally your first video, and I would say a zero to hero content by you (using your video ideas before) will draw A LOT of viewers (myself included) might be a food for thought, since you are branching out from build content (keep making the actual cool ones tho).
I definitely appreciate the support man. I'm starting this content creation thing late in the game, I will definitely do a zero to hero series in the future with some condensed coverage over a handful of series, I considered it because I need to make content about some achievements that I completed years ago. So a reset would be good for the memory. Thanks for your continued support! I won't let you down :D
The only solution to save PVE content like Raid is to implement a system similar to FRACTALS!
Emboldened mode exists, it may not be a lower tier raid but it provides massive buffs (stacks up to 5 you get 1 every wipe) so try to find the current raid of the week that has this mode enabled since i saw a wave of wing 5 training runs since lots of people want to learn the harder content but with a lot more ease
@@Kurumi_Tokisakiinobody knows about that mode it’s not an incentive for new players to join in. Sure it’s there and that’s great but it’s far from enough. Make raids into 3 tiers or scrap them and make them into strike bosses.
@andresguevera, I agree that having four levels plus challenge mode as a fifth level for Raids and Strikes would be a great idea, as it would allow Anet to create harder content, but give players a ramp to work their way up and learn at a lower pace. This would get way more players into RAIDs and make it worthwhile for Anet to make new RAIDs. Having the lower levels for everything would allow Anet to make the challenge mode versions truly challenging for the try hard players, which might help retain more veteran players. It wouldn’t be a terrible amount of work to create these additional levels of difficulty to all existing RAIDs and Strike Missions.
Ive enjoyed gw2 since launch. Id say im a harcore casual. I dont crunch numbers or play with the most efficient builds. Never done raids or strike missions. Just hopped back in to see if SOTO was worth getting. Still on the fence with it. Idk. Gw2 is a pretty solid time.
Im probably anets target audience. Lol.
Soto is alright but it's not the best
Thanks for this great video, it's so interesting to see the behind the scene of how much money content creator are making , it's a lot of time and effort that's put in for not much rewards ( especially when you have to purchase all the hardware ect... ) in my honest opinion, people's who live gw2 are just no for it, the community witch is there now is great. I don't really like the way the news expansions are released and how much content they contain but I'll always support it because it's just great ^^
Yeah, it's not a very popular topic and most people feel uncomfortable about discussing finances (atleast in the US) but I don't do this to replace my full time job I don't mind sharing. My total earnings this far is like 125 USD, which for 4 months of video editing, script writing, and gathering gameplay footage is abysmal. I love the game and just make content for fun as a hobby. I'll find some way to use the actual dollars for the community in some way. Just gonna make sure the IRS gets their cut first.
Great Video, I'm kinda of a new player in the game and one of the main issues I see, is that this game doesn't explain that well it's own mechanics, most of the things you have to go to other sites or the wiki to get to the point of what you need.
I really appreciate the work Content Creators have done to make our gw2 experience much more enjoyable.
Yeah the reliance on external sites is a pain, i try to bring some value to the table but largely many guides have already been created and there is not much new to say about it. I try my best to find unique or interesting builds to put out, share my thoughts on relevant topics, and so on. As long as GW2 is being supported i'll likely be here.
I dont think the game will die. I started in 2022 when launched on steam,and took a break bcs of grind burnout. It was very populated, lot of new players like me. I got back this year and i feel there are much more players as in 2022 when i started. Yesterday i played some dungeons, and the dungeon lfg was very populated. I see people on griffons and skyscale all the time, but yesterday i got my griffon, it took 3 days. And in this 3 days a lot of the achivements i managed to finish with the help of other players like me, that were at this stage of the game. I was surpised to see soo much people not having flying mount in 2024. Today a group of more than 10 people were shooting bugs in Lions Arch for the convertor achivement. And i remembered when i did it, more than 2 years ago. In RIBA a guy was so excited finding out about the salvage omatics, it got all the squad into a nostalgia trip, everybody remembering the time when they were mew to the game.
This means the community is stable. With an actual genuine new player base. Fresh blood means longevity. Ofc a lot of veterans and veteran GW 2 content creators will back off , some forever and some for a while. But the game will not die. New people are coming all the time, burned out from others mmos, or just bcs they dont have time to play other demanding mmos. Guild Wars 2 and Warframe are the retirement games of the 80 and 90 generations
Your comment made me happy. I am definitely not saying the game is dying. It has been my retirement game for over a decade but I just started creating.
Great video, thank you. I have a similar experience with the franchise from GW1 to GW2, over 10k hours in both. I burnt out after a Voidwalker clear and even Cerus came out Ive taken a break from the game for all the reasons you've said. I find the community infuriating, simultaneously complaining about everything but somehow also white knighting everything.
Thanks man, I still actively play but my priorities have shifted quite a bit in the game since I stopped being sweaty. I'm having fun on the Z2H series but I don't ever see myself going back to progging or doing anything super hardcore.
I leveled many classes to 80, and quit each one soon after. For me they where done. I never got a legendary or even a percursor . In 8 years! After doing map completion several times, it just became boring.
The only reason why i dont do raids is the sweaty tryhards who make demands of my build. Its not because i dont have the time or the gear. Its that i dont want to play the weapon and stats YOU read is the best on some shitty meta site you cant even understand.
Good insight. Just came from Mukluk's video and I wanted to drop my thoughts in the comments to help boost this video. Being a pvp and wvw player, there are a ton more issues with the game that isnt brought up but could be applied from this video. Watching GW2 is not fun at all, which hurts outsider engagement. GW2 esports died because of a lack of interest, and pvp became a barren wasteland due to anet abandonment and the toxic community. WVW is starving cause Anet is taking too long to rework the servers to make the mode more accessible. Those two modes can have separate videos dedicated to them.
Bro no way they still haven’t reworked the servers how many years has it been since they were going to
@@alexstewart4077 it doesn't make Anet money unlike pve. So no real incentive to prioritize it
I played this game for 15k hours. I will always remember the magic of the big meta events maps and how enjoyable used to be. Now, maybe because more and more to do, those events lack the same popularity. Also, many of old events were build for some stats and for no mounts. The power creep classes nowdays and the mount make you to go through content in open world without feeling it really. Most people do not even get to see most of mechanics. Getting the magic out of the content i once loved and making it just a rudimentary currency farming (that i dont even need anymore so much) make the game souless. As souless are the last stories of the game that were made like just to have a story. And many times i felt that they tried to make you think that it is Something big but since a point they rush it like to end the suffering faster (or to replace the lack of investment and effort they want to put in it). Another point is lack of the investment in pvp/ wvw content. In wvw they still have 2 maps that are just copy pasted. They had so many years do add a new map. They did not. So no contribution to that content and bad contribution to pvp. From long story and interesting raids, we just have recicle bosses from the story with some extra mechanics. The game become cheap since the end of pof. And the magic that the maps used to have and the way they fely so alive, dissapeared. It was my favourite mmo. But let s be honest, a big contribution for why i barely log in today is the balances patches that occur so often, that sometimes change the way i play or nerf my favourite class like telling me to always play something else after i did some effort to learn my stuff and got attached to my class and my playstyle. This make me dont wanna play at all. At least not something more competitive or end content.
Literally THIS, I love mounts and they're executed perfectly in the game but they really ruined the exploration aspect of the game, you just see people rush through the map from one point of view to another, from an event to another. All the maps feel so incredibly small is lifeless because of it. It doesn't really feel like an MMO anymore.
@@przemisio1 where do I think the mounts work pretty fine are the new maps builded up for them, like the Soto maps, or even the very big pof desert maps. The problem is with the maps that were not built for them. Recently someone I know started to play gw2 and I am glad she did not buy the expansions as she can explore how it is supposed. You know, all that jumping and puzzles. Even me, the one that always hated jps, started to appreciate some so much now. Well, at least, many of them interdict mounts. Still, i think mounts should just work in the maps for which they were made for. Like in raids. Some raids are made to work for mounts, some not, so in some they dont work at all.
Guild Wars 2:
An MMO that does what MMO did wrong, right. And what MMO did right, wrong.
Most people just pop back in the game sometimes. For me I go back every few months to see anything new but come out disappointed. I will probably never let him go.
the levelling process was (mostly )super fun and relaxed. the endgame was the exact opposite. i regret all the time i wasted there.
Oof, that clear rate is barely a fraction of something like an Ultimate in FFXIV.
Some high water mark PvE content is, I think, great. I personally spent months clearing the first three ultimate fights in FFXIV.
But, 1500 people total, with only 40 in world first race, is…. Even by the standards of that kind of halo content that’s a clear indication that it’s massively overtuned.
Yeah.. that number includes a significant amount of bought titles as well. Some of the easier CM titles are like 3%-5% but with a sample size of 400k it's still pretty abysmal. On NA servers you see CM runs in lfg once and a while only.
I recall seeing the numbers on UWU and over 10% of the playerbase have cleared it. Those are really good numbers on difficult endgame content, even if UWU is the easiest one. I'd imagine that TOP and DSR are below 5% or something though. Especially TOP.
That's a structural problem though and I don't know why that wasn't brought up in the video. FFXIV forces you do to dungeons and somewhat 'difficult' content iirc during the story progression. In GW2 you can literally never step into a single dungeon or any piece of content that requires more than pressing 1 and you will experience 90% of the game regardless.
If you don't push the players, most will never go that route (and why should they, if they can achieve the same result with less input - obviously)
@@snowdropfox5754 Strictly in terms of story, I wouldn’t say FFXIV asks any more of its players than GW2.
Nothing with any challenge beyond the most basic capacity to move and use a small portion of your kit is required in FFXIV’s story.
But, it does have a pretty clear difficulty progression (normal - savage - ultimate) where each step is many times harder than the previous one.
The bigger issue, imo, is that neither game has a means of communicating to players that they have room to improve. You get no feed back aside from the binary of fail/clear. This means a player can clear everything the first time-and therefore reasonably think themselves competent-but still be performing at less than 30% of their potential.
The most dedicated players use external tools (which often themselves require frequent updating and maintenance) to figure that out.
I’m not saying every MMO should have a built in dps meter that’s constantly comparing everyone to everyone. But even something as simple as a red-yellow-green icon that tells you if you are below, at, or above say, the 40-60% range of all prior players of your class on that content. Just any feedback. Doesn’t even have to be tied to rewards beyond the little light telling you “good job.”
hard to make challenging content appealing when the majority of the player base still wipes on things like silent surf normal mode. GW2 will always be a casual game first and foremost.
True, which is why I think even if content like Shrek CM gets released it's a realistic bar that adds repeatable content into the rotation.
Not only that, but I feel that the challenging content is kind of lackluster when it comes to rewards. Don't get me wrong. The feeling of overcoming a foe is great but in the end, once you did it, it's over. It will become a feeling of the past. GW2 is a game mostly about fashionable items and such and I would love to see MORE reasons to repeat content like raids and strikes and not only for a petty title or an infusion. More area themed armor sets or whatever they can come up with to get more people into achieving things. Can be gated behind achievements or something and should definitely NOT be purchasable. More incentives to be active would be nice as Legendaries and End Game stuff is the only thing it has going for it in the end...
@@SilhouetteGaming1 Shrek CM gonna go crazy
@@RedNuii if they make the title "ThiS iS mY sWamP!" I'll prog it on livestream.
they dont i play with pugs every day and most do fine its Eletists that ruin the fun.
I think you explained it, getting rich videos and being free to create videos in ways that overcome obstacles put in front of you is what the people love about the game. Everything else people must motivate themselves to do. There isn’t a natural passion for unity in raids especially when losses are common.
There is some unity in statics, but statics have their own problems. In LFG there's no unity at all which is fine as long as you know what you're dealing with lol
I’ve been playing GW2 about 2 years now and I would say I’m a pretty casual player like the game caters to. Most of my time in the game has been in the open world. I’ve played the whole story through all the living world chapters and expansions, I’ve gotten 100% map completion on every map, and I even crafted a legendary weapon.
Now, finally I’ve started dipping my toes into end game group content, as well as some WvW. Here’s the problem though - nothing in game helps teach or push players towards playing the more challenging content. You might know that it’s out there, but if it wasn’t for my own desire to learn and a guild with players who wanted to teach me, I might have never taken the leap.
This, combined with the incredibly overwhelming amount of items, materials, and currencies, that basically makes me need to play the game with the wiki open at all times, really makes it hard for casual players to get out of their comfort zone and see everything the game has to offer.
And on a random note, I hate SOTO and I hope Skyscale content is a thing of the past after this. The mid-air combat involving shooting fire balls and dashing through objects feels so clunky to me.
The idea of giving skyscale a fireball imo is very cool but I agree with you - it's clunky as fuck. The crosshair is a single white pixel, it should be bigger. Very often I don't even see the fireballs themselves because I have a fixed camera and the dragon is obscuring it. Combine it with dumbass hitboxes for some world bosses like in SOTO meta 2 where the game tells you you MUST shot the boss with fireballs and you don't see WHERE you are shooting and you don't see the damage numbers either. It's like a vanilla world boss. You shot somewhere around the target points and aren't even sure if you are hitting it.
Also there's some really badly balanced achievements but nothing is ever going to be worse than WvW achievements and I have already dealt with the fact this game isn't 100%-able but I still enjoy doing achievements if they are designed well.
@@DraconasTenZHG I enjoy the fireball ability on the Skyscale and it’s cool shooting at enemies from above before jumping into the fray, but the clunky fights and events that are based on floating around and shooting/dashing stuff in the air is just not fun at all to me. Oh well
Interesting watch! GW2 s still compared to WoW, ESO, FF14 etc, which are all AAA studios. The audience though similar, does vary wildly.
There is a lot of other content created around GW2 that also doesnt get seen by a ton of folx that I and others take in. Art, podcasts (Lightbringers cough cough ;D - invite in the mail!), comedy videos, WvW content, etc are pretty popular as well.
Laranity for example, streams GW2 mostly is doing pretty well as someone that is full time in creation, and does so around the community they formed. I agree in part with a lot of what youre saying, but the game vs the AAA is in a pretty good state, including having one of their best population spikes last year in its existence. I think the game is appealing less to folx that create content and maybe more to the folx that want a casual experience, with the option of being more dedicated (raids etc).
Also final point; with the new CM worlds first we saw more players/viewers than with the recent drops schedule, which is huge! Hopefully we see more strike related CM world first events for sure!
Cheers again for the insight, and maybes I could nab you onto the podcast for a chat in future!
Hey Jebro!
I am familiar with you and Laranity! I agree that I think GW2 is on an upswing overall. Speaking of target audience my next video is actually on that topic (spoiler alert: I am the target audience.) Which I think is an interesting discussion, I would love to join you all on lightbringers and have seen a few episodes.
I hope that my lack of mentions didn't cause offense if I mentioned everyone I watch the list would be a mile long. I was concerned about mentioning anyone at all but it seems like everyone knew where I was coming from. Since starting the journey of creating it has given me a new perspective on CZcams as a whole, it's really been insightful having gone through the process of building a channel.
I am Silhouette3216 on discord, feel free to message any time!
Me and my son have been playing about 2 weeks. We are having fun clearing maps and getting Mastery points, It's a great game but I think the biggest issue with the game is gear progression. We aren't people who care about fashion, and it seems fashion and achievements are the end game. I think once we do all the content (main stories, mounts, clear maps, etc..) we will go back to FFO.
We are all about gear progression and more power.
Plus, this game doesn't seem very duo friendly, we can do about everything solo, so sometimes we get on a map and go our separate ways which defeats the whole point of playing together.
Later on in the game it is better for duo or party content. The open world is very solo friendly.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 I hope so, because we play these games to play together. We play single player games to play alone. And this feels very single player(ish). The game does have alot of details that I love and they put alot of effort into the environments. So, we will be playing all the content up to End of Dragons. I didn't buy us the latest expansion because I heard its not done yet and I'm not going to encourage that type of development.
@LC-pp4bb good plan, it's not finished but at this point the main features are released, overall the latest expac isn't really that good in comparison to HOT or POF or even EOD. Its a game that is easily played casually though so you could juggle FFO and GW2 if you really wanted to.
I save 400g for 2 months just for mystic coins and I stop playing now 😢
RIP. Prices on critical items is pretty trash to be honest, its a shame that they took away MC's from fractal CM's since it would definitely incentivize their play, especially considering Anet is continuing development of the game-type.
Regarding the horizontal vs vertical progression topic, I'm more surprised that players of other mmo's haven't caught on to the fact that all of their 'vertical' progression is completely fake. In every wow and FFXIV expansion, player damage increases at the same rate as enemy hp does. Not only that, but both games have recently had massive stat squishes because the damage numbers were getting so high that they were in danger of overflowing their data types.
On the other hand, I'd argue that GW2's mastery system actually IS vertical progression for your account. Your damage might not be increasing, but all of the movement options and extra rewards and abilities are all useful bits and bobs that add up to some very significant advantages. I also think that unlocking masteries is much more meaningful than getting higher item level gear in a different game.
To the overall theme, I think mmo's as a genre are uniquely bad at providing stream/video content. FFXIV content creators all explode when doing the story and then viewership falls off a cliff the moment they catch up. WoW content has mostly been dominated by hardcore or season of discovery stuff lately, with a sprinkling of mythic tournaments and such, but that's all propped up by how huge that game was and still is. Old school runescape has the best content in the mmo space in my opinion, but that's only possible because of how sandboxy that game is and how many different kinds of interesting challenges lend to storytelling.
The gw2 content space just doesn't have the components needed for channels to thrive. We're not gonna see a gw2 Nobbel because there isn't as much lore and it's not convoluted enough. We're not gonna see a gw2 Settled because the game doesn't have enough sandbox elements to make such challenges. We're not gonna see a gw2 Xaryu because the game doesn't provide an interesting hardcore experience. We're not gonna see gw2 mount-offs or transmog competitions because there aren't that many armor/mount skins and most you just buy with gold or gems.
For me, the game is simply more fun to play than to watch. And when I'm burnt out on the game, I just poke in every once in a while to read elementalist patch notes.
Yikes I was like "damn this dude is spittin" until i read elementalist patch notes! Jk. You make good points and I think for the most part it is more fun to play than watch; which I guess is a good thing? I have to disagree with the mastery system. All they do is seem to bottleneck features in their current iteration. Which is okay, but until I'm training a new raider I forget leyline gliding isn't just a standard thing.
I have a few friends who are soon to hit 80 and will have the new player mastery experience, so that will definitely change my opinion haha! Unlocking most everything while it was current content was a good bit of fun, but maybe there should be some stronger catchup mechanics for older masteries? I think it’s maybe still better to grind HoT masteries over whatever weekly limited tokens in ffxiv to catch up on gear, for instance. It seems like a very hard problem to solve honestly
Pof and lws4 is the best . Eod ,Soto burns me out
I honestly am slow to pick up on newer content. I only recently partake in EOD content for the Gen3 grind
i've made plenty of videos covering guild wars 2🎬 however the views come no where close to the other videos that cover different MMOs that have a larger player count such as WoW.
if anyone wants to do content creation full time, there is more money to be made covering other popular games. i'd safely assume that a majority of people who make gw2 content do so because they enjoy the game👾
in fact, i plan to make even more gw2 content because quite simply, i think the game is fantastic. sure it has it's flaws, but a way for me to enjoy gw2 more is actually taking time to try out other MMOs on the market. it's made me realize how good the combat system in gw2 is and the horizontal progression system actually respects my time🙏🏻
i also take my time when i play the game(legit, i haven't done the new story patch yet😬) i've been spending a majority of my time trying out the new weapons in WvW (yo anet... any new WvW maps anytime soon? 😅)
overall, i know ArenaNet is a studio full of passionate developers who listen to the community and are always improving the game with every new update💙
i'm gonna hold off on judging the yearly expansions until Soto is over and the 2nd expac releases👀
overall, great video. i'll slap the like button👍
Thanks man! Yeah I've considered branching out but to be honest I really don't have time. At least with guildwars I already know the game, there are a lot of good things to say about the game but that wasn't the point of the video lol. Keep creating brother!
100% agree with your comments. I play for fun, to chat with friends and do a "small" amount of grinding. If it's a big grind I'm not interested (new Legendary armor is not on my list too much grind) I have fun mapping new characters, farming for mats to make things I like. Example instead of fooling with the stupid grind called Legendary I crafted 7 Legendary Runes for stat swapping, using Ascended armor then throwing in the mystic toilet if I need to change a top level armor stat. But I'll be honest I like to use the Berserker stats then play with the runes and weapons. I do have all Gem 1 Legendries along with double weapons that can be used in both hands, pistol, dagger, mace, etc.
It would be nice to go for the Legendary but I'm not willing to spend the time grinding. And like you I started with GW1 and did the Beta for GW2 and I'm still here. I don't do raids or Strikes. I have done all Dungeons back in the day but even with the introduction of Strikes there is too much venom from others if you don't know all the rotations. As I'm sure you can tell I like to enjoy my playing of the game without stressing so I'm in favor of toning down Strike Missions and even raids for new players to play, enjoy and learn the mechanics without get cursed for not already knowing how they work. Remember GW1 let you choose difficulty on some experiences and even fractals don't require 1000 AR (total (exaggeration but you get it) and you can have fun it Tier 1 or 2 with little to no grind.
Great job with the video I for one loved and appreciate it!!
Try out emboldened mode for raids sometime with a group of your friends, it will eventually scale to the point it's really easy, and with a half decent group composition you can clear em just fine!
Or if you don't want to that's cool- but it's a great story! From one OG to another it's worth the minor inconvenience for sure!
Ur GW2 content is one of my favorites, all ur videos r so relevant 🤩 i love the fact that this game doesnt attract whales or toxic apes, but I'd love in another hand to see this awesome community growing 🤷🏻♂️ thanks for explaining all of this, ur the best 💪🏻
I would love to see it grow too. I love this game and it's monetization is the reason I've stuck with it for so long.
I used to play a lot since beta, mainly a pve zerg player and I enjoyed the casual and social hub aspect of the game. I was also a paying customer for gem store items that I like.
Until the development focus on strike missions totally ruined the game for me, I was aware it's not for me but I felt compelled to play for the rewards and I suffered a lot having to put up with toxic lfg group composition, trying to get a clear visual of boss ring indicator and all the effect circle among the player spells particles shit show....eww.
I don't have soto nor the desire to log in gw2 and I am happily done with the game.
Agree with most of this. Been feeling like putting down GW2 a while since the latest expansion was less than impressive, due to content being really drep-fed to us and writing being kinda boring (everyone is humans now, bleh).
Though with how the game is, I can just come back a few years from now if that changes.
True, taking breaks is an important part of healthy gaming in general. Personally my playtime is limited anyways so i don't really get burned out that easily.
Great video and commentary! I'd love to see open world bosses get CM versions. A solid way to create challenge for end-game folks on a large scale. They could re-use a lot of existing assets (won't break the bank for Anet) and just add new mechanics, make them more punishing, have assigned roles, add Champs/adds to the encounter. The potential is huge! Imagine Fire Elemental but you have a multiple subgroups of focused people trying to clear a DPS check, mechanics that can wipe people, mini fire elemental adds with breakbars - you get the idea.
Particularly with the introduction of obsidian legendary armor, they could tie the reward track for Open World CM bosses into obtaining the new armor sets.
sorry, on this channel you can't say anything and they delete the comments because I'm telling the truth
@@andresguevara2669What an interesting comment to see, since that means it hasn’t been deleted
@@andresguevara2669 I can see 3 comments beside this one.
-Fractal system in raids
-New players struggling in LFG
-Need LI to be able to join raids but you get LI from raids.
I don't delete any comments on my channels. I don't do youtube or content creation for a living nor do I intend to. Your thoughts, positive or negative are always welcome. But I do have automod enabled on all uploads so your comment may get flagged if it's against YT terms of use guidelines. But as for me idgaf homie rant to your hearts content 🤙
@crow_buddy thanks for the kind words, I think that could be good but anything outside of instanced content is subject to the map opening closing thing. I think the way they have private instances for 50+ is good, though it may kill the public versions if the fights are too complex.
its been about a month and i've played 200+hours and 4:45 still holds true for me. what the heck are you supposed to do ?
If I wasn't so eternally satisfied with the core game's PvP experience then I would have dropped this shit like a bad habit eleven years ago. Running around in WvW and sometimes sPvP is the only content I really get a kick out of that isn't just mindlessly grinding for more legendaries. The writing has occasionally had glimmers of genius here and there, but few and far between, and almost always in secondary position like side-stories or underutilized characters with far more flair than the goons I cannot skip the dialogue of. At the very least I get some satisfaction out of mastery over my profession in all game modes.
the story writing is putrid lol. made by and for low-T nu-males, rainbow degens, and girl boss power fetishizers.
Spvp and wvw regardless of how much flak they get at times are some of the best "always available" content in the game. Sure it is dependent on sever or playtime in some cases but you can definitely enjoy playing the game modes if that's what you're into.
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Thanks for removing my comment, soylet
@@vidya2144 I don't remove any comments.
@vidya2144 youtube community guidelines autorestricts comments, not sure if it was your statement about low t or girl bossing or whatever else you wrote but it wasn't me homie. I grew up on /b/ I'm not one for censorship lol
i only play wvw with my guild group or pug zerg it. i love that game mode to death but its not designed well and there are so many obvious and easy fixes anet could implement to instantly improve everyones experience. i haven't logged into gw2 for months and honestly idk how to get the desire to log back in. theres just nothing waiting for me but wasted time and disappointment. theres still fun to be had and i've had my fair share of it playing gw2, but lately i feel like its time to move on
It's hard to find an alternative that doesn't have glaring problems. I have a larger project I'd like to personally cover but I don't have time to do it justice right now.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 yeah out of all the others for big zerg battles, gw2 still looks the best to me. hope that changes soon cuz i can never scratch that itch
Gw2 is like quake 2, not much to say about it, but they're both good games.
I understand that people chase the moneymaking tactics the same way we look for gold guides. But man it gotta suck pumping out roblox/minecraft, fortnite and CoD content.
Osrs is probably the best game, lots of players, a charming old game with challenges and fun ideas. If I was a content creator I'd go with runescape.
I left most MMOs like WoW, to gw1 and gw2, because there are no raids.
GW2 has raids, but its not important to do them. You can do them and get all rewards and never do them again.
And that is why I like GW1 and GW2, you are not forced to play raids.
In WoW you ALWAYS have to play raids, and if you don't you do nothing else, you have to gear up, and only raids allow that, you can play pvp mini games but the gear is never the same as if you raid.
GW2 you don't always have to get gear, you don't always have to raid. You can PvP, WvW, story, pve, and world bosses, so much content everyday.
For me, this game has gone into low maintenance mode. Events are the same all the time, new skins only in the itemshop. DLCs don't bring anything cool, only passive things. And the lack of any sense of progress kills my enthusiasm for this game.
The real endgame of gw2 is playing the way you want and fashion.
*swiping gem store items while waiting for maintenance mode content
So if endgame is "fashion" you admit then that the game is blatantly pay to win since the best looking cosmetic items are on the gem store.
@@XAn0nymousX0endgame are raids and legendary gear. Gw2 has no pay to win, gemstone is just skins
@@XAn0nymousX0 actually, the BEST looking items aren't on the gem store.
Bruh if anyone thinks the best skins in the game are gem store skins then you haven't seen shit for skins lmao
Not like you can't just convert your gold into gems if you want them that badly anyway lol
How are minimum wages so massive in the US? 16$ a hour is like 2 times the average here
Because california sucks. A big mac combo costs like 17 bucks after taxes.
So after 12 years a guardian will be able to use a spear on land... fine, but why not the warrior? ........ It's a class that has been mansillated for a while with regards to what it can use and do. How to make support and healer to the other classes.
Warrior will be able to as well. All classes are getting spear.
i have been playing for over 10 years.. spvp is the only thing i play and i dont get why people play any pve. In any game..
As one who only had 1 set of legendary armor i was excited about an open world version. From the beginning of the expansion i was grinding the mats to make a heavy and medium set of legendary armor. only as i neared the end did it occur to me that that was the only thing keeping me playing daily. I made both sets the day after launch and now i feel no desire to continue. Even the cosmetic upgrade is not exciting to me.
I'm really sick of the SotO content (what little there was) and i don't ever want to see another rift again. All in all i would have to say that the new format is a failure (for me anyway). each little piece they add brings tons of new bugs that usually don't get fixed even after the next content update drops. Safe to say I won't be getting expansion 5 at this point
I will be. But the 4-5 map expansions with 4+ post expac map updates are gone so it seems. This wasn't really what was sold or what people speculated. I remember pre soto release people were thinking 3 complete maps at launch with 3 or so post launch maps. Instead it's 2 maps with a third over the course of 9 months.. pretty underwhelming tbh. Puts the HOT POF buddle as best cost to content and it's content that's 5 years old
@@SilhouetteGaming1 fairly short story too. HoT and PoF had plenty more story. as did EoD. And maybe its just me, but this story seems extremely bland. i'm usually bored instead of interested as i wait for conversations to get done. but maybe the big story is still coming with the final update. gotta be a cliffhanger to keep us buying the content!
@@nytro1441try to correct me but if memory serves right, EoD started the whole thing with "filler" chapters where you just go from A to B and talk 2 lines and the chapter is over, right? At least, I can't remember it happening anywhere else (maybe IBS but that was rushed anyway...). SotO is FILLED with those things and it just feels lackluster. Yes, fill the story bar with 20 chapters to show bigger numbers than prev. releases but it doesn't help when it's like 50% air...
"Major" release, laughable. The anet we knew is long gone as is blizzard.
@@Exiled_Raven Yes, you are right, there was quite a bit of filler in EoD. But i feel SotO is so much worse - how many times do we have to do the same events over and over just to progress a green bar for no reason other than they had to make it appear the story was longer than it was.
I suppose EoD felt a little better to me because i was invested in its characters and i wanted to know what happens. I'm not very invested in the new SotO crew. we haven't been through the fires together so I really don't care about them.
It is sad to see anet fall. But major content updates take time and they are trying to create "acceptable" content in too small of a window. they have no choice but to use filler. unfortunately i'm not there for filler. i'd rather have a new expansion every 2 or 3 years if its good content and tells a real story than a half hour of meaningless story every 3 months.
I pretty much quit the game after Soto. I've logged in a couple times in the past 2 weeks, but I haven't done any content.
the only thing i do in the entire game is wvw, thats the only reason i play it honestly. and i agree with all the points here
I hit that point two years ago, but I'll probably be quitting within the next few months. WvW has largely been abandoned by the devs, and the "balance" is truly repulsive stuff.
@@synapse913well what keeps me going is that i stoped roaming, or else i would have quit too, i found a guild where i just run comped builds, so i login, play with them, and then go out. Cos if we depend on just roaming to have fun, u either have to play thief, willbender or cele harb lol and those **can be** boring after a while
Interesting, you never really hear negativity about this game coming from within the playerbase. Always endless positivity, so if nothing else it's interesting to hear another POV.
Yeah most people don't want to point out flaws about something they enjoy or maybe they aren't at the level of where the flaws are apparent to them. Ultimately it comes down to if the game works for you or not. It's okay to prefer other games if those systems are more enjoyable for you. I love gw2 but to say it's flawless and there's no issues is not only historically inaccurate it's just not true.
Soto is imho a bad expansion. The story is just bad (ofc this is my opinion) and even as bad as the story is, in addition to that it is really annoying. Now part2 came out. Few dialogues ==> "make events". Short dialogue, again ==> "do events". Bro (in this case Arenanet), WE DID ALREADY FUCKING LOT OF EVENTS, THEY DON'T BECOME MORE INTERESTING JUST BY DOING THEM 100 TIMES!!!!😂😂😂
True, even in earlier parts it was just 'do some rifts dawg'. I'm kinda over it too lol
@@SilhouetteGaming1 yeah exactly. I thought, ok, they won't do this again. But they did. I really still like the game, but ArenaNet couldn't do it any worse 🥴
> Get tired of open world
> Go do story
> More open world
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Good that we have cool creators like you!!! 💞
Oh thank you. I started creating because I liked watching gw2 content and could only watch so many build guides.. then I made a bunch of build guides... so now I'm trying something a little different.
@@SilhouetteGaming1As an old WoW-head, the best times I had with WoW was when creators hyped the game and the love for it with fun machinimas, events and challenges. Guides are not hype at all and the WvW montages that ive seen lack personality and fun...idk who really cares for the oldschool-edgy kill montages with shitty music
@@vomCzumHzumRIS Yeah im not really a hype man per-say, but i do like the game and understand the reality of what video games are-- entertainment. i understand why people make the kill montoges and outnumbered complilations, sometimes i'll take a look at them but i do like the more analyitcal PVP videos talking about "oh i was +1'd so i line of sighted this person" type commentary style videos, helps me understand the thought processes behind the encounter. i personally am hot garbage at PVP, was at one time plat rank but am meteocre at best in the metagame, knowing when and what to rotate to, what comps beat what im playing and so on. most of the time i go in and get farmed, its still fun but its because i understand where im at skill-wise.
This video is negative, but it is also great! Solid points all around. This is real vid :D
Thanks, glad you liked it. I tried to give a unique take and try not to just repeat the same old talking points.
I generally quit because of the constant re balancing. Started out as Warrior, got nerfed into the ground, tried Elementalist and got nerfed into the ground. Specializations got changed so much around I didn't recognize what my character was specced as anymore.
Same feeling. Played Mesmer. I don't think nerf can accurately describe what was done to Mesmer. I watched as ever increasing opponents would have _special_ projectiles that don't follow the game mechanics of the feedback bubble. It literally was reaching a point that the skill description could be changed to "this skill does nothing" and it would be accurate.
@@jameshildebrand907 I remember pre any nerf, my Warrior (2 handed sword build) I would constantly find myself in zones 10-12 levels above my level because my DPS would just delete them. Downside was, warriors had no passive healing effects so if you popped your heal and got damaged you were done- which I kinda liked, nice trade off.
Also playing as Warrior in PvP, or WvWvW my Warrior would just get deleted if anyone did any CC dmg lol.
Elementalist got me real mad. I used like 2-3 months finding my niche build, then another month mastering it. Elementalist really was kind of exhasting to play because of the constant rotations, but hey, i slapped. Then it got nerfed so hard, I barley did any dmg. It was at a point where no one wanted my ele for any dungeon runs
wow for work and burnout. gw2 for freedom and casual playing. amen. (love both games but gw2 is just so much more player friendly)
I went afk for 4 months recently but I came back because I love my guild and the people in it.
Idk man. I was a WoW player for like 13 years and I must say I like GW2 a LOT more. Specifically, the pvp and wvw aspect. Also, the unlimited amount of builds you can do and combinations of certain skills and weapon abilities.
I think GW2 is great! But it can be a great game that could be better, wow and ff have good things they do also it all depends on what type of player you are and how you get value from the game.
Yeah I get you. As someone who only really focused on competitive PVP mostly, the PvP in WoW went way downhill. Factions unbalanced and so is the gearing. Someone 1 tier higher than you can 1 shot you pretty much. So being able to jump into GW2 and pretty much be on par gear wise is a huge perk.
The new maps & release format is uninspiring - older content is better by a long margin - this cant be the format for future releases or even the vets will look elsewhere. Some thoughts below:-
Split raid wings into separate strike missions per boss. Remove bots from spvp & pve (necros massed in living world mob spawns…..). Possible adopt an arpg season format for skins & unique rewards. Rework older world bosses, some are really lame in 2024. New fractals + Fractal God rework. Tournaments with Anet commentary (all game modes). Either advise on UE5 refresh for GW2 or roadmap for GW3. o/
Title caught my attention, but the content was not what I was expecting. Really reasonable take and I agree with almost everything. Nice vid!
Despite my doomer avatar, I actually am pretty hopeful about the game. I'm glad you weren't disappointed. It seems like many people assumed the worst based on the title, which was an unintentionally click bait lol.
That is how I feel playing the game currently. It feels and plays like the devs lost their passion and ideas for Guild Wars. A bit like quiet quitting your 9-5 job because you have no other way to stay employed- so you do what works and play it out safe, doing the bare minimum to stay sustainable. Maybe they lost irreplacable talents in season 4 after the layoff wave and the new people aren't that invested in the franchise or have to be trained on an engine that does not help them in their future gamedev career resume-so why go the extra mile? I wouldn't blame them. It just sucks to see a good game falling into the pits of mediocrity, because of outside rl factors. But maybe I am just a toxic salty fan of a franchise I grew up with. Sad to see but I'll stick with the game to see where it sinks.
That's where I'm at, I have a good sense of making my own fun in games, so I'm with it for the long haul aswell
I personally quit last june not because of "what now", but because of the balance. They kept gutting my main spec, mirage, until I could play it no more while Virtuoso remains untouched and far less demanding to this day.
Unfortunately the above ended up frustrating me beyond belief and I can't justify investing in it if i don't have fun. Yes I could play another class, but do I want to, or am I pushed to? And it is not a pleasant feeling to feel forced to do something. I was almost done with Astralaria, except now with no characters to use it on...
Also, it is not GW1 and I've never managed to create any feeling of nostalgia with GW2, oddly enough.
All in all, 'tis a great game to unwind, plagued by issues mentionned you mostly mentionned.
If it meant that they'd make all dialog skippable, I'd gladly welcome 'green bars'.
Just please spare me from the nonsensical hs drama bs that the devs force you to sit through.
To be honest I'm not all that invested in the story so idk what the dialog is even about.. like bruh just let me fight the things already.
You kinda sound like Misshapenchair. Some more sarcasm and self-hatred and I couldn't tell the difference
I ended up changing from a condenser mic to a new condenser+audio interface. It made some of the post processing a bit easier. I guess we do have a bit of a monotone drawl, but it seems like he is a reasonably popular creator so I'll take it as a compliment! Idk about self hatred, but I can add some more sarcasm for sure lol. Didn't want to make this video unnecessarily negative.
I don't think you've said anything unfair here. Not sure any of it is going to change at this point and some of it I'm not sure should change but I see where you're coming from.
Oh I don't think it's going to change, it's hard to tell the future without knowing more about a company.
I have 1200 hours + on my gw2 account, 2 reasons come to my mind why would i or anyone quit the game :
1 - Graphics : no matter how Anet tries to squeeze the juice out of their engine, even in recent expansions, the game looks old, animation aren't polished, sound and music too, don't get me wrong, if we were in 2012-2018 it will be ok, now in 2024, i don't think so.
2 - Classes/Professions design and gameplay : gw2 has some of the weird class system in the MMORPG genre, it has some positive aspect ( like absence of the holly trinity tank, healer, dps, which is great and easy to find groups) however the game pushes you to play different professions, and some are very weird like hammer elementalist, staff warrior, pistol necro, they went way too far with this that it doesn't make sense anyone, people chose a class for a playstyle, if you force me to use a weapon on a class that i like, i won't like it anymore, plus some class feels waay outdated than the other, for exemple, revenant feels very well polished in comparison to warrior, playing warrior is like playing 2000s game.
To summarize, gw2, if you give it a chance, will give you way more hours to waste than what you ask for, it is in fact a good game and a great MMO with the best monetizing system in the genre, in fact i haven't logged in the game from 2017 to 2024, 7 years without logging in, and once i did my gear was viable for every instance in the game, and my account value didn't drop a dim, plus 10 to Anet for maintien such a solid economy and inflation free.
I just they rework their graphic and classes.
Peace.
It's true about the class system, there's no traditional mage/wizard/scorc class that's accessible to new players and that's why my friend refuses to play it. They try to be edgy with names like "Elementalist or Mesmer" but it's just cringe.
Graphics has nothing to do with it. Firstly this game looks better than WoW. Secondly OSRS, Minecraft and Fortnite prove most people don't care about graphics.
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1. WoW is the oldest and most established mmo.
2. Minecraft is a sandbox simulator, where you can add literally ANYTHING, and Fortnite belongs in the esports/competitive category. Comparing them to gw2 is just copium.
@@missk1697 Irrelevant. If graphics mattered so much, then those games wouldn't be so popular. Also you're wrong, Runescape is older than WoW.
@@australienski6687 Nah, it doesn't look better than WoW, even on ultra graphics.
great vid keep it up
Have a Like and a comment for the algorithm! Just saw this on Muk's stream and have to say pretty good job!
Nice! Thanks for stopping by. I was honestly surprised that he saw it, let alone decided to write a comment. I was really shocked that some of the pillars of the GW2 community decided to come out and share their thoughts and experiences being creators in this space. As a smaller creator it's humbling, and hard to describe. Thanks for swinging by despite seeing the vid on stream!
All they have to do is focus on what the players want. No shame in copying some other mmos successes. Maybe draw inspiration from likes of Lost ark for Raids. A Guild Wars version of central hub for people to hang out. Like Golden Saucer. Game is good but it can be better.
I feel the same, I think a single centralized town would help a lot instead of the 18 expansion locked hubs we currently have.
i jave not even touched soto content wise yet
soto is an catchup expension
Soto is good in some cases, i think in retrospect it will likely stand alone as something of value, however the trickle fed style of the releases and features leaves longterm players with like 5 minutes of worth. PVE legendary armor is useless since i have raid armor, PVE Legendary Relic was just handed to me, New weapons are in a weird spot.. so what is there to do? i guess i'll fill the bars and go back to my usual gameplay routine
Horizontal progression is the reason why I'm playing gw2, what are you even talking about?
MMOs really need to evolve. I quit gw2 probably six months ago and think I'm done now, every time I came back the "ugh do I really want to do this" feeling just got stronger. It might just me being hard to please (and I know I am) but gw2 just feels so half a$$ed. I constantly go back to games like Elden Ring, Dragon's Dogma and even SOTN, these are always enjoyable but I just can't with this.