ALL CAMERA COLORS ARE LIES!
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2019
- In this video, we will discuss working with accurate colors as opposed to Fujifilm, Canon, or Sony colors. Lightroom, your monitor, and your camera are full of lies. We discuss.
*CORRECTION: THE MONITOR CALIBRATION DEVICE COMPANY (DATACOLOR) DOES NOT MAKE THE COLORCHECKER IN THIS VIDEO (X-RITE). DATACOLOR HAS THEIR OWN COLOR THINGY.
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First time here? Hi, I'm Omar Gonzalez, a professional portrait and event photographer in the NYC/NJ area. On this channel, we talk cameras, lenses, and techniques to improve our photography.
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Morpheus “ Do you think it is red that you are seeing?”
Jonh Coner hahahhaaa
3:30 - Don't touch the colorchecker tiles tho. Your oils will transfer and up degrading/altering their individual hues.
That was a little painful to watch.
very painful
I'm colorblind, so I am completely reliant on my wife to check the colors although she does need calibrating every two months or so.
@The Walking Man
There's a bonafide way to do that, I'm sure.
@The Walking Man
I'm sure, as RAW is how you like it?
@The Walking Man
Yeah, you wouldn't want the f/ to stop due to any stray shots.
Omar, my brain hurts now but thank you for posting these. It really helps seeing side by side comparison as well as calibrated before and afters from Sony, Fuji, and Canon. Really keeps your videos unbiased and applicable to everyone. Thanks!
Thanks makes perfect sense. You explained it well. Also it was nice to briefly meet you at Photoplus. Keep up the great work! Tim
Yeeesss!! I’ve been struggling with color lately; on screen and in print. Very helpful. Looking forward to the monitor calibration and ICC profile for printing videos!
Love your style and clear, concise explanations with a splash of humor!
Finally someone on CZcams that doesn’t blabber about canon colors 😂😂😂
How did the algorithm know I needed this video at this exact moment in time 2 years after you created it?? Thank you as always, Omar!
Great instructional video! IMHO, this is the best video I have watched on colour profiles. Love your humour in the starting segment 😂
Thanks so much!
This video is pure gold! Thanks for this, it helps alot.
You picked a great topic this time Omar, looking out for the next installment.
Your best „tech“ Video so far... Now, do the Monitor Colour Calibration and the Printer ICC profile stuff. Andalé!
excellent video in every way!!! you just refreshed everything I had learned in the past in under 11 minutes!!
Excellent video Omar and a subject often omitted by most. The old " colour science " argument can essentially be disregarded by creating your own profiles😊. Three points however. Firstly you should never touch any of the colour patches on the Xrite passport. Oils from your skin degrade the colours, these patches need to be perfect for the software to work as accurately as possible. Second, I'd generally advise folk to use the Xrite color checker with Xrites own calibration hardware rather than mixing it with a Datacolor spider. They have their own version of the passport. Thirdly, you can create a profile easier in lightroom by exporting directly to X rite Camera Calibration ( edit>>export to>>Xrite Camera Calibration ) rather than dragging a .DNG file into the profile manager seperately. Restart LR and it appears in the Basic's Profile panel the same as you showed here. It does the same thing but literally takes a few seconds to create.😉
Thanks for the video. Very educational and truthful video. But for those of us with out an expensive Color checker card or expensive software... EOSHD did wonders to my old a7s colors (specifically the REDS & YELLOWS). That, and White Balancing each scene is vital for getting accurate colors.
Jim carrey face on the right most intro frame had me in stitches! & 4:36 Wow 8:20 blew my mind before you even opened your mouth. Used to think that those swatches were only useful for ultra high end portraiture and fashion editorial shooters but this video was an eye opener. It looks super easy to set up and worth it. Love you OG
Still love the SOOC color of the Fuji best, but this was very enlightening. Thank you.
Fujifilm jpegs are delicious.
*sees the title of the video*
“Well if anyone can describe color, it’s Omar”
Loving the creativity in your latest videos!
Hi Omar, great video. Revisiting this one after watching a recent comparison between the fuji gfx100s and the new hassleblad x2d100c by Matt Granger. It's a relief to know that colour processing can be handled later and effectively 👍🏽
Fascinating!! And thank you to talk slowly and such understandable English! Most of English talk too fast to be understandable but yours is just perfect to listen and follow!
Finally!! Good to be slow me!! 😉
@@ogonzilla exactly! Slow and always with something more than usual photographers are used to share! Thank you for your videos!
One of the best channels. Love your content. :)
Very interesting and helpful. I never realized you could get the info from the printing company you may
Great video. Simply enjoyed learning something new. Very clearly explained. Thanks.
I don't even know how good is your channel but I siw this statues and boom! Subscribed!
Would love to see a video on color and printing! Helpful video as always. Thanks O.
The way u explained this colour science topic is excellent..
Thank you Omar!
This video was very helpful. 🙏
Informative video, look forward to the next topic, thanks!
Calibrator is a crap. u need a spectrophotometer for such things. Also XRite told that their color checker is not guaranteed to be precise
Not only that, but he also touches the tiles on the colorchecker which transfers oil and grease onto the tiles making them inaccurate
@@Purple__
7:33 I was cringing every time he touched the color tiles. You can see on the light blue patch that there's a dark streak on it that I'm betting will mess with the profiling.
Wonderful video. I have been frustrated printing my photos and seeing the colors look different that what I see on my calibrated monitor. If you could do a video showing how to use the ICC profiles that would be AMAZING!!!
I would love an ICC profile video for printing from Lightroom. When I was in school, they told us about ICC profiles when printing from Photoshop, but that was, alas, many years ago. Great video!
Boy this was so informative.Thanks again for another gem Omar
year is 1997.. Kodak films tend to magenta and Fuji films are more saturated and tend to green. If the PH of the solution is higher or the temperature is higher, the colors will be wrong. All the checks are made with naked eye using a kodak color card. I am loving this new era of photography... btw.. happy new year Omar!! Wish you all the best !!!
Great video Omar. Your explanations were so understandable.
Omar, very good video explaining how confusing color... on monitors, cameras, lenses, different applications AND when printing. All creatives need to understand ALL of these variables. Maybe do more videos explaining each one in detail. Note that photo calibration is very different that video calibration, and Xrite and DataColor even have different charts for photo and video. Then realize these are all prosumer solutions, and you can dive even deeper into very expensive pro systems like Eizo monitors and GRACol systemwide calibration, often used at high-end printing prepres companies. The key to a good solution is being very specific on your software that you use for editing. PhotoShop, LightRoom, CaptureOne... Final Cut Pro X, Adobe Premiere, DaVinci Resolve... all have different calibration pros and cons. Personally I use X-Rite Passport for camera profiles. But I use DataColor Spyder for screen calibration. Then I use both Xrite Passport and DataColor ColorChecker for different uses in video and photo stills... it can get very confusing what tool is best for each step. See GRACol and FOGRA for even more professional calibration solutions.
Hallo Omar. I have tried to use ColorCal and it works amazing! It supports a lot of colorimeters on the market, even older ones, and the result seems to be more accurate PLUS IT'S FREE!!!
The oly negative aspect is that the calibration takes at least half an hour.
You must try it
So grateful for this. So very much!! Thank u
I try to explain this to people all the time...only person responsible for the colors in your camera is you! It's also a good way to start arguments between photographers :-) So thanks for backing me up!
Also...(psst! you're not supposed to touch your color checker...supposedly, our messy human fingers can affect the dyes over time).
Awesome video, thanks man. I appreciate when someone works color accurate and I try to do it myself but at a certain point all the hastle becomes too much. It really depends what you aim to do. If you print large, yeah, it's gonna cost you money to print twice or even worse more than twice. I think the bare minimum of what everyone should do is to calibrate the screen they are working on, since most content will remain digital. Cool video though, enjoyed watching it.
Very nice video, I learned a lot about the color checker hope you do one about the printers
Can't wait to see your Spyder colour calibration video!
Accidentally subscribed. I don't regret it
Hi Omar. Thanks for this video. Was very informative and well timed for me to watch this as I recently started printing on paper and on canvas for clients. Luckily I had no issues so far with the printed material. The last thing you said though was for me very interesting. So I can make an ICC profile and hand it down to the people printing my work? Is this the right interpretation?
Just a quick question, do you use it for every shoot or just one you created beforehand? Apreciate the video, really helpful!
Fantastic topic man, i need to understand what color is without relying on the camera profiles or renditions. Thats why i need LR mobile to include the Color calibration tool and drop down menu. If it had that i'd switch to iPad for editing.(off topic :D)
A color checker can be a great tool - but you need to understand what it's useful for. The color checker only works for a given illuminant (light spectrum coming from the lights in to room), a certain space and orientation in the room and the lens used on the camera. there is no "real world" color profile that will make the image right because of all the variables that color science (as an scientific field) involves.
So for anyone interested in using color checkers as part of your workflow: bringing one with you on set can be very useful for fixing major mishaps but don't only rely on your preset profiles, because you might be applying a calibration that does more harm than it does good
Great video, Omar. I would love to see a video on how to use print lab ICC profiles.
this is a great video! style, pacing and info are all on point
Appreciate that.
Getting back into photography after a lonnnnnnnng time :-) 30 years to be exact. Found your videos whilst researching Fuji XT100. Thank you so much for all you great videos. Superb! I have a lot to catch up on. I haven’t bought my new camera yet. It seems I’m leaning towards Fuji XT range. But will lay down my cash in the new year rather :-)). PS. You’re hilarious mate. Regards. Jason. U.K.
1 profile to cover all situations? I believe I'm more interested in pleasing colors than accurate colors but a very helpful video!
Actually, accurate colors are pleasing colors. The problem with a lack of color accuracy is colors can blend/criss cross into domains they shouldn't be, which can muddle image quality. The whole point is to start off with a base accuracy and edit from there. Kind of like a camera neutral profile, except without all the muted color! Color accuracy also determines starting color hue/saturation/luminance to a degree. This can actually great affect your photo's, even the noise profile of your photo. For example, what if you have a color profile that adds more blue or red....welp, then you're going to see it in your color noise too, when a color accurate image may display it less.
It also affects shadows, because again, if a color is darker than accurate, it can lose contrast in the shadow areas. Editing with inaccurate color profiles as a starting point, is like editing with a filter on top of a filter. It can also mess with exposure. For example, let's say you've over exposed an image slightly. In a non-accurate profile, certain colors might not look over exposed at all. Go to color accurate, and you can more readily see which color is over exposed because it will clip. The problem can also happen in the reverse where a color is under exposed but looks properly exposed because of an inaccurate color profile that shifts the relation of things.
Let's say you're shooting something red and you want it to look more orange-ish. The non-accurate colors already made it some other shade of red, so you're effectively stretching the color data even more to get the orange hue that you want, because you're editing a fake hue on top of a starting inaccurate hue. You'll find that even artistic filters look better with an accurate color profile as the starting point. After all, filters are just meant to change one color to another color.
So let's say you've got a filter that is meant for landscapes, meant to turn a yellowish green into a blue green for example. Well what if your inaccurate color profile is already turning it some shade of blue green or some yellower green? You're then fighting against multiple hues, and losing the intent of what colors that specific filter is supposed to be enhancing! And with that starting color being wrong, you might not even get the best hue when shifting things. The program thinks you're turning absolute red into some other shade, when in reality you're turning some less accurate shade of red into a less accurate shade of orange, which can actually make your colors look more poorly than otherwise, because you're being limited by your starting point.
So yes, color accuracy actually matters, and it's what's going to get you the best colors and even dynamic range out of your photo's when you edit them.
Thank you for the video Omar.
It's best to not touch the squares on the Color Checker. Easier said than done, especially when others handle it on set.
Also Adobe made a mess of the profiles for later Canon cameras. The curve is way off and Adobe Color make people look like an oompa loompa.
Yes that was helpful. I have the spyder calibrator and have one monitor set up but still get dark prints. It seems so wasteful and stresses me out!
Just a cool thing that may interest, if you download RawTherapee, a free RAW processing software, you can actually disable all camera profiles and see the colors the camera sees, without any processing... It's also a great way of understanding what the camera is doing!
was looking for this kind of video, and thx you
Cheers Omar, very interesting, may I ask, when you calibrate your two iMacs and view the same image on both screens, do they look the same? :-)
Very nice video. What I am struggling with is the entire color management chain in an MS-Windows environment. Or maybe I am not. I use X-Rite calibration to calibrate cameras, lenses, light sources, printers, paper and projector and always avoided the MS control panels. And it is integrated in my LR/PS setup. Is there anything to benefit from in the Windows?
oh this is my first time ever watch a youtube video that I am the first commenter hahah I love your chanel by the way!
Yay!!
I've only just got round to watching this video, which was a bit of an eye opener to myself. How often do you calibrate with the colour checker passport?
Our eyes calibrated differently
That music at the end of your video is awesome. I know you've used in a few other videos as well. What is the source?
Great video Omar. Thanks for the how to on colour calibration 👍
Thanks so much!
Very helpful! Please make more videos on the Spyder X and the printing!
Great video Omar! Would be interesting in episode 2 about monitor calibrating and episode 3 about printer profiles !
Yup!!!! Thanks for watching.
Great discussion. Thanks!
Very helpful Omar. Would love to see a video on icc profiles. Thanks!
me too
María De Jesús Rodríguez’s Profile 😂
Thanks so Much Omar. Muy bien ahora en español. Tienes bastantes seguidores en español. Congrats I love your channel.
Please do the video on monitor calibration...I keep trying with my Spyder Express and it still gets wonky color...
Omar I know I'm late to the party on this video. Love your work. Would a preset of the profile you made work for all your followers or do you take a new shot of the colour thingy majiga everytime you do a shoot.
Only as I'd love a starting point preset with the "real" colours
If you are printing, it's good to know what temperature the lighting in the display room will be. Western clients typically have warm tungsten lighting, Eastern tend to have cooler lighting.
Great video. Subscribed. Waiting for the printers' ICC tutorial :)
That was great, Omar. Thanks.
Good stuff Omar, thank you.
Hi Omar. Nice video. 👍 One on ICC profiles would be cool. Thanks.
On my...trul y an excellent explanation for accurate colors. Once again, thank you.
Fantastic video , thank you very much! Gracias excelente!
I am a little confused, so we use color checker .dng, that we took a photo of with our camera? then upload this photo (.dng) into lightroom and then the lightroom will adjust colors according to that color checker? Or did I misunderstand something?
Can you do videos regarding printers profiles you mentioned here as well as monitors and their color spaces(srgb and adobe).
And question from the other hand- as i see in lots your videos you using apple retina monitor. Are you consider this monitor as a professional monitor for critical color work? Thanks
Amazing stuff, Omar. More please!! How can I contact you to discuss work up here in Toronto? BM on the way!
What about when going on vacations with the family? do I need to get a snap of the colorchecker for every seen? which changes within minutes and sometimes too fast! How do you color check and white balance with the fuji on vacation for the film simulation jpeg files?
Awesome video! Gracias!
Omar do you have to create a profile for every lighting situation. For example if you went outside would you have to create a different profile with the passport cheers. Thanks for all the great videos
Not really. A general one with daylight will work on most images. However if you shoot in an orange painted room or a dark wood room that WILL need a new profile.
Thank you for excellent vid.. Just met you today.. Have to sub.. There is no escaping the fact... The Passport is essential...
Awesome video dude. Thank you!
Do you make custom profiles for every shoot? Or is one good enough?
I Love the way you make all your videos, they are great!!!! But one thing I don't understand is where should I put the focus point when I make the photo that I will upload to the color checker camera calibration.... Where should I put the focus point,To the subject or to the color checker? Thank you so much ,I Love your channel
Focus on the color checker. The software will recognize it anywhere in the picture
Gracias!!!!@@ogonzilla
You nailed it, great video! Just walk into a Walmart or Best Buy and look at the TV display wall. The same image looks a bit different from brand to brand, even model to model. You are never in control of colors outside of your own little environment. That used to drive me nuts when I first got into digital 15 years ago. Now if it looks close enough from my camera, monitor, printer my Samsung tablet and MotoG screen, I'm just fine.
That could've been the theme of the video. Perfect colors (in our own little worlds). 😊
Excellent video. ICC profile video? YES!!!
Good work Omar!
So if I do my own ICC profile on my LR and Monitor, how is it matching the mpix's printers ICC? Or are you saying accuracy is just one leveled playing field? That iff I calibrate with X-rite, that I'll be in tune with Mpix and any other medium. Or will I have to change my corrected profile once I go to print, and change it back for accurate in-computer sharing. Loaded question, but thanks for the video {subbed}.
Working on the last part. That will help you. Quick answer is you need the icc from mpix website and upload to LR.
I kinda like Adobe Colors most of the time.
I even see different colour temperature with on eye and the other one.
would you mind to share your profile for a7iii? i dont have the extra budget to get xrite color yet
Make profile shots with each lens to verify that they have the same character or not, so you know the color profile you shoot with your 35mm also applies to your shots from your 85mm. Create these shots in every shoot as circumstances change. Interesting is making profiles for mixed light circumstances. I shot a get-together in a place with big windows on two sides (5000K overcast winter light coming in) with two types of artificial light from inside the space. There is a matching app for the ~Passport.
Cool video! Super interesting.
realized just now. agreed. thankful. will do.
Wouldn’t you need to take a picture of the color checker at each location? I’m assuming colors change everywhere you go and in every situation?
Super clear. Thank you. This is great as want to take pics of wood. I want ash to look like ash, and cherry to look like cherry, and ...you get my drift.... thanks.
Haha. Drift. .wood. Totally get it. Perfect application.