Why Venus is so cold

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  • čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
  • Venus is a mere 460°C, but basic radiative physics says it should be much hotter... If this kind of video interests you, check out educational website and app Brilliant, and get 20% off at www.brilliant.org/simonclark
    In this video I look at why Venus is so cold, a paltry 460°C rather than the hundreds of thousands of degrees the greenhouse effect says it should be. With all that carbon dioxide in its atmosphere, and being so much closer to the Sun, why is Venus so cold?
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    1) This number comes from this paper, which is a really useful resource on Venus all round link.springer.com/article/10....
    2) Note this 0.0028K figure comes from 560K/200000 (that second figure being roughly the ratio of CO2 masses on Earth and Venus), which is incorrect because the greenhouse effect on Venus is around 580K, not 560K. As we see in the video though, this doesn't change any of our conclusions.
    3) See e.g. skepticalscience.com/why-glob...
    4) Figure taken from the ever-excellent Carbon Brief www.carbonbrief.org/explainer...
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    Edited in part by Spencer Grant.
    This video uses radiative physics to establish the climate of Venus, talking about how carbon dioxide generates a greenhouse effect, similar to other greenhouse gases. Yet if we are to believe the greenhouse effect of greenhouse gases on Earth, Venus is observed to be too cold!
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  • @SimonClark
    @SimonClark  Před 2 lety +41

    If you found this interesting and would like to learn more about the role water vapour specifically plays in Earth's climate, check out this video I made with Dr Adam Levy! czcams.com/video/F4XZUSiTFio/video.html

    • @executor5588
      @executor5588 Před 2 lety

      Have you read Pierrehumbert's article about infrared radiation and planetary temperature? I really suggest you this one.

    • @Dakerthandark
      @Dakerthandark Před 2 lety +1

      I'm gonna be honest, I am extremely angered with the first minute of this video, to the point that I had to stop it and write this down. Your starting argument about tons of CO2 on venus translating into temperature is... absolutely alien to me.
      It's like if you took premise that eating a lot makes person fatter over duration of a month, and then started pondering why, if you attach a special machine to a person, machine that forcefeeds them one ton of food every day, you don't get to have 30 ton human at the end of the month, but instead a 30 day old corpse and a large pile of rotten food.
      I mean why the hell would you ever assume that adding CO2 to atmosphere would lead to linear increase of temperature for so damn long? Are you from another universe where everything is linear and where geometric progression doesn't exist? Do you think that if a small candle produces 700°C flame, a candle of 1000 times greate volume will produce 700k C° flame? I just... don't have words.
      I know, this is just usual clickbaiting stuff, something I'm used to, and I should be completely calm, but for some reason this specific case just brings my anger to eleven. I just can't wrap my head around how anyone could ever say that. I think a quarter of my brain just died from hearing that equation...
      Simon... Just why?
      Edit: Thankfully, after that awful first minute, rest of the video was done reasonably well.

    • @SimonClark
      @SimonClark  Před 2 lety +4

      @@Dakerthandark do you think that, just maybe, you're not the target audience of this video because you're capable of thinking this way?

    • @rodkeh
      @rodkeh Před 2 lety +1

      You are a purveyor of fake science. Earth's climate is governed by the internal heat of this planet and neither We, Co2, water vapour nor solar radiation have anything whatsoever to do with climate. The GHE is an anti-science scam perpetrated by the climate science conmen and frauds.

    • @SimonClark
      @SimonClark  Před 2 lety +2

      @@johnperic6860 Ah yes, I too lovely to watch the entire video before commenting

  • @kylosalvesen
    @kylosalvesen Před 2 lety +452

    Me, landing on Venus with my winter coat on: OH GOD JESUS I SHOULD HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO INSTEAD OF JUST READING THE TITLE IT BURNS

    • @quisqueyanguy120
      @quisqueyanguy120 Před 2 lety +4

      @Cyber Ghost 2.0 And it rains acid in the damn planet

    • @funnyfox204
      @funnyfox204 Před 2 lety +6

      @@quisqueyanguy120 so either swim up or go underground, got it

    • @percyjackson4455
      @percyjackson4455 Před 2 lety +4

      well if you were to teleport on Venus you would probably die almost in an instant because of the immense pressure. So I guess the heat is only a secondary problem on Venus at this high pressure level. But check out kurzgesagt's video on terraforming Venus if you wanna know how to change that (spoiler alert: It's really difficult and would take several thousand years, so no problem at all..)

  • @griegosta7159
    @griegosta7159 Před 2 lety +769

    Studied all this stuff in second year planetary astronomy, and this guy comes wraps about a couple lectures worth of stuff in 10 mins :^

    • @minecraftstation6422
      @minecraftstation6422 Před 2 lety +8

      Really?
      That's mind-blowing

    • @griegosta7159
      @griegosta7159 Před 2 lety +7

      @@minecraftstation6422 Yes, it doesn’t feel too hard of a concept once you walk through all of it, but doing it the first time takes some effort with all the physics and math behind it!

    • @dahleno2014
      @dahleno2014 Před 2 lety +2

      @@minecraftstation6422 Well, it’s a couple of lectures. It’s not that amazing….

    • @minecraftstation6422
      @minecraftstation6422 Před 2 lety +1

      @@griegosta7159 I meant not to the youtuber but to normal people like me who know nearly nothing in this field so this video was nice to introduce me to new things that are a bit more than scratching the surface

    • @minecraftstation6422
      @minecraftstation6422 Před 2 lety

      @@dahleno2014 but you're right of course it's not that amazing when I thought about it

  • @datguy6101
    @datguy6101 Před 2 lety +381

    The family joke really did catch me off-guard

    • @SimonClark
      @SimonClark  Před 2 lety +168

      The only thing stronger than the greenhouse effect is family

    • @minecraftstation6422
      @minecraftstation6422 Před 2 lety +25

      @@SimonClark Vin Diesel wants to know your location....
      To hug you 🫂

    • @arisaardi7576
      @arisaardi7576 Před 2 lety +13

      "family" with deep vin diesel voice.

    • @lewisvanhugten
      @lewisvanhugten Před 2 lety +4

      SIMOOOOON! EXPLAIN YOURSELF YOUNG MAN! WHY ARE YOU MEME SHIT POSTING IN YOUR SCIENCE VIDEOS?
      Young man, in a world where everything is made out of balloons, you are the one boy who brought a pin to school. You've let me down, let yourself down, you've let your school down, you've let your family down... FAMILY!?!? ASDFGHGAGDH

    • @connerogrady5035
      @connerogrady5035 Před 2 lety +1

      I still wasn’t prepared

  • @23AlexandreJ
    @23AlexandreJ Před 2 lety +136

    "why is Venus so cold?"
    - Canadians after the last heat wave

  • @vinayaktrivedi9375
    @vinayaktrivedi9375 Před 2 lety +276

    You had me for a sec man. I was like; since when was Venus cold?

    • @a2izzard
      @a2izzard Před 2 lety +2

      Ya

    • @momo1442
      @momo1442 Před 2 lety +17

      relatively spoken venus really is cold. When you bake something in your oven for an hour at 200°C but in the end the thing you baked only has 80°C its relatively spoken cold allthough 80°C is hot enough to burn your hands.

    • @thisaccountisfake180
      @thisaccountisfake180 Před 2 lety +1

      So indians too see his videos

    • @dahleno2014
      @dahleno2014 Před 2 lety

      That awkward moment when you use a semi colon to appear educated but use it incorrectly 😂

    • @sidewaysthroughthekitchend3075
      @sidewaysthroughthekitchend3075 Před 2 lety

      ass backwards overly complicated thought on his part

  • @SqurtieMan
    @SqurtieMan Před 2 lety +190

    Kurzgesat: We can maybe terraform venus if we removed most of its atmosphere
    Simon: hold up

    • @vinyak123rohatgi
      @vinyak123rohatgi Před 2 lety +7

      make a co2 moon!

    • @JetfireQuasar
      @JetfireQuasar Před 2 lety +14

      I pointed out on that video that the main issue with venus is it lack of tectonic movement not everything else

    • @emperoroftheuniverse5950
      @emperoroftheuniverse5950 Před 2 lety +1

      Isn't that kind of solved when the surface temperature goes below a level that fuses the crust together?

    • @JetfireQuasar
      @JetfireQuasar Před 2 lety +11

      @@emperoroftheuniverse5950 we can't see from here but due to Venus lack of magnetic field, there is virtually zero convection in the core, and you are looking at millions of years for the crust to cool down enough

    • @appleslover
      @appleslover Před 2 lety +2

      Kurzgesagt*

  • @GeorgeSladkovsky
    @GeorgeSladkovsky Před 2 lety +415

    I only wish CZcamsrs stopped showing cooling towers in a context of CO2 emissions. I know it's a pretty picture, but you are not helping with the problem of scaremongering people against nuclear plants. Just show a god damn coal plant or some oil processing plant. The only thing cooling towers use is air and water, and "emit" water vapor.
    Other than that, nice video 👍

    • @OmniversalInsect
      @OmniversalInsect Před 2 lety +9

      Was about to say as well

    • @Tourmaliminal
      @Tourmaliminal Před 2 lety +28

      A lot of coal plants in my area use cooling towers like that

    • @OmniversalInsect
      @OmniversalInsect Před 2 lety +78

      @@Tourmaliminal But the gas coming out of the tower isn't some poisonous radiation fume, it's literally just water, and this type of cooling tower is very associated with nuclear power

    • @Toahmisae
      @Toahmisae Před 2 lety +11

      If you think cooling towers are exclusively found in nuclear plants, you're not as smart as you think you are and you shouldn't be making a comment like this. Maybe stick to topics that you actually know something about.

    • @OmniversalInsect
      @OmniversalInsect Před 2 lety +55

      @@Toahmisae If you ask the average person what this cooling tower means to them, I bet they would say nuclear reactor

  • @lyledal
    @lyledal Před 2 lety +63

    "RIDICULOUS." As a USAmerican, I could not agree more.

    • @7eardstapa7
      @7eardstapa7 Před 2 lety +3

      I disagree. Celsius and Kelvin are great scientific scales based around absolute zero and the freezing and boiling points of water. Fahrenheit is a good “human scale” temperature system based around the extremes that humans encounter in the Earth’s environment. All the scales have their uses. Snobbery around temperature scales is ridiculous.

    • @--julian_
      @--julian_ Před 2 lety +4

      @@7eardstapa7 well in the Midwest it definetly gets much colder than 0 F, and in the south and southwest it can get hotter than 100 F, so that isn't really true

    • @weareafteryou3975
      @weareafteryou3975 Před 2 lety

      @@--julian_ in the Midwest it can go from -60 to 110 lmao

    • @Jake-rs9nq
      @Jake-rs9nq Před 2 lety

      @@--julian_ The 0-100 °F scale is more likely to match Earth temperatures than the 0-100 °C one.

  • @jeffbenton6183
    @jeffbenton6183 Před 2 lety +7

    "You'd last longer on Mars without a spacesuit than on Venus *with* a spacesuit." That really puts the Venusian surface's inhospitableness in perspective.

  • @bjarnes.4423
    @bjarnes.4423 Před 2 lety +93

    Your Room is 333K warm?! Thats quite warm

    • @dantetre
      @dantetre Před 2 lety +2

      CZcams subscriber counter.
      If you really asked. But also though about that. :D

    • @unexpected2475
      @unexpected2475 Před 2 lety +6

      What man could call himself british without keeping his house a comfy 60C?

  • @SamirWise
    @SamirWise Před 2 lety +43

    Fully endorse the “ridiculous” on the planet for Fahrenheit my dear Simon :D
    My favorite way of referring to it is the “rectum derived scale”, as Fahrenheit literally used the temperature of inside of his cows as a reference!
    (And there was some debate on whether those original cows had a fever…)

    • @saganworshipper6062
      @saganworshipper6062 Před 2 lety +1

      I think the metric system is far superior for many things but Fahrenheit just makes sense if you think of it this way......0 degrees = very cold...........100 degrees = very hot. For most places, or cities, on Earth, we rarely experience temperatures outside that range, so to me anyways, it makes sense.

    • @SamirWise
      @SamirWise Před 2 lety +7

      @@saganworshipper6062 in the whole rest of the world no one ever go confused with Celsius. 35 degrees is hot for the rest of us and that's fine.
      Yet the conversion of units when working internationally or keeping the scientific unit different from the everyday scale does have costs.

    • @saganworshipper6062
      @saganworshipper6062 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SamirWise Well maybe you're just a hater. Regardless, it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon in America, so as long as you're not in America I guess it doesn't matter. But if you do happen to find yourself somewhere that only has F readings, now you have my handy guide to help you. 0=COLD (BRRRR) 100=HOT (SWEATY) simple. Have a great day!

    • @TheCountess666
      @TheCountess666 Před 2 lety +2

      @@saganworshipper6062 But what i really need to know is whether the road conditions could get icy or not.

    • @saganworshipper6062
      @saganworshipper6062 Před 2 lety

      @@TheCountess666 That's what the beeping sound in my BMW is for. It tells you exactly when lol. Freezing temp for water is 32.

  • @maybevoldemort8995
    @maybevoldemort8995 Před 2 lety +34

    Really enjoyed the video, informative, good info graphics, and felt very accessible.

  • @blorkpovud1576
    @blorkpovud1576 Před 2 lety +20

    I had to click on this for the sheer fact of Venus being described as "cold".

  • @dtghanvey
    @dtghanvey Před 2 lety +13

    Why is Venus so cold? Because she forgot to put a coat on!

  • @jacq0272
    @jacq0272 Před 2 lety +16

    Nice! It really illustrates how many "little" factors can create an outcome!

  • @austinh1242
    @austinh1242 Před 2 lety +6

    Despite being an American, I totally agree with the fact that we're ridiculous. Metric is actually based on useful stuff, why the hell do we use Imperial?

    • @shy8054
      @shy8054 Před 2 lety +2

      No one wants to change.
      And for most people wether they use imperial or metric doesn't really matter. Since they are not doing calculations with it. They are using it to know how much of something they are using or purchasing on day to day items. Which could be based on anything as long as it is easy to use.
      Everyone that needs to do calculations in the US just use metric. But wether you get a one lb of bologna versus half a kilo of bologna at the grocery is not really a huge difference to put the effort to change.

    • @austinh1242
      @austinh1242 Před 2 lety +4

      @@shy8054 yeah I know. The people who need to use metric do use it, while others mostly don't care. Still, I will always standby the opinion that metric is superior, even though I doubt it will change soon (if ever)

  • @chironicle1755
    @chironicle1755 Před 2 lety +1

    These videos are so well put together and informative, thoroughly enjoyable!

  • @kalpanafating4438
    @kalpanafating4438 Před 2 lety +2

    Gre8 to see you again Simon...✨😊
    Yet again a informative and beautifully elucidated video...🙌

  • @markncl100
    @markncl100 Před 2 lety

    I subscribed to this channel because I found Simon such a dish but the content of all the videos are truly gripping. Keep up the excellent work.

  • @xDanoss318x
    @xDanoss318x Před 2 lety +4

    This video actually really improved my understanding of the effect of greenhouse gases in atmospheres. Thanks for your work!

    • @xDanoss318x
      @xDanoss318x Před 2 lety

      @@johnperic6860 Please link the part of the video where he does that and show your calculation in more detail.

  • @BLooDCoMPleX
    @BLooDCoMPleX Před 2 lety +15

    "We really don't need a second."
    Martian terraforming advocates took offense to that.

  • @MrGupta1337
    @MrGupta1337 Před 2 lety +1

    I really like how you structured this video, i thought i was disagreeing with you during the first half, which was an interesting twist when i realized i wasn't.
    My first video that I've seen from you so you got yourself a new sub :)

  • @VieneLea
    @VieneLea Před 2 lety +39

    Okay, that title really caught my attention

    • @delta8868
      @delta8868 Před 2 lety +8

      Clickbait but only for the right audience lol

  • @ritwicksen
    @ritwicksen Před 2 lety +4

    "Fahrenheit if you're ridiculous!" and proceeds to show a giant 'RIDICULOUS' sign painted over America. Genius XD

  • @sophiejackson4748
    @sophiejackson4748 Před 2 lety

    This was really cool! I take IB SL Physics (similar to AS Physics) and I loved how you used some of the concepts we've learnt (i.e. the inverse square law)- it's really nice to stretch my understanding of how these concepts can be applied!

  • @digdug4451
    @digdug4451 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the 20% discount! This will be super helpful for prepping for going back to uni and such

  • @danciagar
    @danciagar Před 2 lety +25

    I love how the "natural" extrapolation is always linear.

    • @xethified
      @xethified Před 2 lety +1

      Haha lines go brrr

    • @PeloquinDavid
      @PeloquinDavid Před 2 lety

      Except, of course, it usually isn't They use an expression on Wall Street that's useful here: "trees don't grow to the sky" with the implication that, ultimately, negative feedbacks prevail over the positive feedback loops climate science struggles to model as it is.
      That's not so say we should ignore the duration or intensity of the positive feedback stage as we move off of a pre-existing equilibrium, just that complex systems like the climate are devilishly hard to model with anything approaching certainty.

  • @punditgi
    @punditgi Před 2 lety +1

    Love your videos, Simon! 💚

  • @christianmcbrearty
    @christianmcbrearty Před 2 lety +1

    This was a really cool video bro! 😎

  • @TrapperBV
    @TrapperBV Před 2 lety +7

    “Gentlemen that is not acceptable.” Awesome.

  • @yashkatare3303
    @yashkatare3303 Před 2 lety +9

    Never thought venus could be described as being cold

  • @stijnboeren3943
    @stijnboeren3943 Před 2 lety

    Another great video Simon😁

  • @JsoProductionChannel
    @JsoProductionChannel Před 2 lety +2

    Yeah, I discovered this when I wrote a report about the evolution of Venus' atmosphere. I didn't understand the most of the temperature on the surface was primarily due to the high pressure and not so much the CO2.

    • @zzubra
      @zzubra Před 2 lety +1

      The idea that most of the temperature on the surface of Venus is primarily due to high pressure is highly misleading (and is is standard assertion of climate science deniers). If Venus had the same atmospheric pressure with an atmosphere made of nitrogen or argon (without any greenhouse gases), then the surface would be hundreds of degrees colder than it is. There are ways of thinking about the surface temperature of Venus that involve pressure, but those dynamics only function as they do because of the presence of greenhouse gases (i.e., carbon dioxide); they don’t produce warming in the absence of those gases. So, it’s misleading to think of those mechanisms as primary. / For a debunking of a paper that claims “planetary temperatures are all about pressure” you might look at www.quora.com/Did-Nikolov-and-Zeller-prove-that-atmospheres-warm-planets-only-through-pressure-and-not-as-a-result-of-greenhouse-gases/answer/Bob-Wentworth?ch=99&share=7b4b8dae&srid=nCNt / I don’t know what arguments or sources you referenced in your report. Given more information, I could possibly put the argument you found into more context.

    • @JsoProductionChannel
      @JsoProductionChannel Před 2 lety

      @@zzubra Thank you, I will check it out.

  • @Relfar2
    @Relfar2 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for the work writing on the globe

  • @emanuelkokovics
    @emanuelkokovics Před 2 lety

    So interesting! Great subject!

  • @AGSilvaBehh
    @AGSilvaBehh Před 2 lety +1

    Great video!

  • @yggdrasil9039
    @yggdrasil9039 Před 2 lety

    Great clarification

  • @GabeUnger
    @GabeUnger Před 2 lety +5

    Great video! How do you make all your animations? As an online Physics Professor I am always looking to improve what I use to demonstrate physics to my students. Any chance you wanna drop by on our zoom:)?

  • @XenonSlayer
    @XenonSlayer Před 2 lety

    1:06 I appreciate this edit very much.

  • @akshayan3988
    @akshayan3988 Před 2 lety +4

    Loved the video! We really don't need a second plant full of Co2 xD.

  • @opossumlvr1023
    @opossumlvr1023 Před 2 lety +1

    Here is a paper explaining a very compelling theory of the warming mechanism that operates on planets that have an atmosphere. It not only explains the reason for the surface temperatures but also why the core is so hot as well.
    Planetary Core and Surface Temperatures
    Douglas J Cotton, B.Sc.(Physics), B.A., Dip.Bus.Admin

  • @1zl541
    @1zl541 Před 2 lety +9

    7:52 "We already have one experiment showing the effects of having lots of CO2 in the atmosphere; we really don't need a second."
    Replication study

    • @NaumRusomarov
      @NaumRusomarov Před 2 lety +9

      you could write a sci-fi novel where a superior race is so corrupt and morally decrepit that it decides to start a science project to heat up another planet that's already inhabited by other sentient creatures just to see what's gonna happen.

    • @JetfireQuasar
      @JetfireQuasar Před 2 lety

      hard to replicate, we need to shut down the geological Carbon cycle otherwise its a very poor replication

  • @SuperKertiz
    @SuperKertiz Před 2 lety

    I love the shirt. Great episode! THRILLHOUSE!

  • @percyjackson4455
    @percyjackson4455 Před 2 lety +1

    the "ridiculous" joke is really just that, I love it :D

  • @Hi_Brien
    @Hi_Brien Před 2 lety

    Do you have a live sub counter in your background? Wild!

  • @sample2501
    @sample2501 Před 2 lety +4

    you mentioned more co2 = warmer air = more clouds( water vapor). have you taken the increased cloud formation into account (blocking sunlight) or is this effect neglectable?

    • @SimonClark
      @SimonClark  Před 2 lety +8

      This is a great point! Yes cloud formation is taken into account when discussing climate sensitivity, in fact it's one of the biggest uncertainties - will the negative feedback of increasing albedo outweigh the increased water vapour in the air? In fact, I actually did a whole video with Dr Adam Levy on this: czcams.com/video/F4XZUSiTFio/video.html

    • @KarryKarryKarry
      @KarryKarryKarry Před 2 lety +1

      Increased cloud formation equals increase in heat trapped.

    • @byrnemeister2008
      @byrnemeister2008 Před 2 lety +3

      @@KarryKarryKarry Yeah, a bit more complicated than that. If the types of cloud formed and the size of the clouds generated are consistent to today’s. If cloud formation processes are linear with increased temp. Etc. As Simon says in the video this is the largest uncertainty in climate sensitivity calculation. But we need to be thinking worst case rather than hoping for best case. We only have the one planet. We don’t want to conduct another runaway CO2 experiment in the solar system.

    • @alanlowey2769
      @alanlowey2769 Před 2 lety

      @@byrnemeister2008 We need to be thinking that gravity is a potential driver of climate change & Webb could indeed turn everything we know on it's head in less than a year away.

    • @KarryKarryKarry
      @KarryKarryKarry Před 2 lety

      @@byrnemeister2008 why even bother when the guy can’t even calculate his shoe size 🤷‍♂️

  • @skarrambo1
    @skarrambo1 Před 2 lety +5

    Fucking solid Apollo 13 meme lad

  • @alecplano9563
    @alecplano9563 Před 2 lety

    Great vid any info on your book in the USA.

  • @afoxwithahat7846
    @afoxwithahat7846 Před 2 lety

    3:47 love that little detail "ridiculous" written in the USA

  • @BC-xu8yq
    @BC-xu8yq Před 2 lety

    Simon great content but please put that mic somewhere else. I wanna see a clean crew neck lines

  • @jari2018
    @jari2018 Před rokem

    so how much sunshade in from of a bigsolarsail or shade does venus need o water will be a liquid like 90 Celsius - Does it need to cover 50% of the surface at the equator or maybe 30% on both poles

  • @executor5588
    @executor5588 Před 2 lety +1

    Have you read Pierrehumbert's article about infrared radiation and planetary temperature? I really suggest you this one.

  • @DevinPlaysitAll
    @DevinPlaysitAll Před 2 lety

    Simon has that Ikea shelf swag

  • @doctordapp
    @doctordapp Před rokem

    You miss a few points.
    Pressure (atmospheric density) is also important!
    Positive feedbacks are scientific unproven, only used in modeling to rule out any natural variations (which exist!).

  • @followerofthechurchofsumi3868

    I don't know what I expected knowing how close Venus is too the sun but I thought it would be well cold.

  • @ParticularCoconut
    @ParticularCoconut Před 2 lety

    I take this as a rejoinder to the Kurzgesagt Venus Terraforming video from this week.

  • @thisaccountisfake180
    @thisaccountisfake180 Před 2 lety +1

    Can u please tell me which branch of physics is best

  • @arijitdas7526
    @arijitdas7526 Před 2 lety +2

    Simon: "Why Venus is so COLD"
    CZcams: *adds an information panel cuz it is prone to misinformation

  • @Mr.Goufball
    @Mr.Goufball Před 2 lety +1

    I never thought I’d see the word only in front of 460°C

    • @hartunstart
      @hartunstart Před 2 lety

      It depends ... try starting a fusion reaction.

  • @Vietje5
    @Vietje5 Před 2 lety

    Hahahaha that impression of the comment at the end, spot on!

  • @miguel8698
    @miguel8698 Před 2 lety +7

    So CO2 is vin diesel, he just need the family

  • @Makem12
    @Makem12 Před 2 lety +6

    I'm struggling to figure out why CZcams is showing me the link to climate change on Earth over this video about Venus. I get that they're trying to fact check, but seriously, this is an entirely different planet.

    • @valathaerieldawnblade6075
      @valathaerieldawnblade6075 Před 2 lety +2

      Maybe the "fact checkers" aren't as smart as they're sold on being.

    • @danielgale9409
      @danielgale9409 Před 2 lety +4

      Probably because there's also a significant amount of content relating to earth's climate and climate change here.

    • @ethan-loves
      @ethan-loves Před 2 lety

      Daniel Gale has it right, it's CZcams policy to put a link to credible information on climate change under every video that mentions it. It's their way of combating disinformation; in case the video says something incorrect, the viewer can just click the link and fact check it themselves. They do the same with COVID.
      Since this video ties the temperature of Venus in to global warming on Earth, it qualifies for the climate change link.

  • @chrisbell7646
    @chrisbell7646 Před rokem

    IS .0028K the correct value obtained from radiative forcing?

  • @narsimhas1360
    @narsimhas1360 Před 2 lety

    Nice video

  • @timg2727
    @timg2727 Před 2 lety

    Clicked for the title, stayed for the A+ t-shirt.

  • @BritishVietnameseGuy
    @BritishVietnameseGuy Před 2 lety +39

    03:50 The US is indeed ridiculous

    • @jacobash5904
      @jacobash5904 Před 2 lety +8

      In what way? Also are you talking about the government, the people, or the culture? Which coast? (Each coast has different governments, different people, and a different culture) If it's the government you're mocking then I'm with you. The government is ENTIRELY ridiculous. It's built on "freedom" while taking away as much REAL freedom as possible.

    • @theexcaliburone5933
      @theexcaliburone5933 Před 2 lety

      @@jacobash5904 I think he’s talking about the government. Some of the people are too to be fair, but the cultures are just fun

    • @silverarrow1094
      @silverarrow1094 Před 2 lety +10

      I figured it was because the US uses Fahrenheit since he said Fahrenheit users were ridiculous earlier in the video at 1:28.

    • @ferrox8421
      @ferrox8421 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jacobash5904 its a joke, likely referring to the weird imperial units and such

    • @theexcaliburone5933
      @theexcaliburone5933 Před 2 lety

      @@ferrox8421 yea

  • @gaurav_0369
    @gaurav_0369 Před 2 lety +5

    6:29 Simon jumping on the fast and furious family meme Best thing ever

  • @BjerkeRobin
    @BjerkeRobin Před 2 lety

    HAHAHA the apollo 13 meme made me burst out laughing, alone in my room. Brilliant!

  • @fahimzahir9587
    @fahimzahir9587 Před 2 lety +1

    Calling us ridiculous while your cats water fountain doesn't dispense tea. The audacity haha

  • @hartunstart
    @hartunstart Před 2 lety

    The amount of water vapor in the Earth's atmosphere is affected by how the vapor is removed from the atmosphere. The vapor tends to climb up (sometimes later, but it will...) and turn into a cloud. The cloud is no more vapor and its greenhouse effect is different from vapor's.
    The weather system can remove huge amounts of vapor by changing it into a cloud and raining it down. This way the weather system beats the climate system.
    Climbing vapor makes a strong latent convection passing all greenhouse filters.

  • @somegamer7268
    @somegamer7268 Před 2 lety

    I'm from the Venusian North Pole and I got to agree, it's pretty chilly year round.

  • @iwersonsch5131
    @iwersonsch5131 Před 2 lety

    Congrats on 337K subs, that's very hot!

  • @aidenstoat5745
    @aidenstoat5745 Před 2 lety

    That is why you've got to be careful when you extrapolate that far out from so little data.

  • @fromnorway643
    @fromnorway643 Před 2 lety

    I guess we can conclude that the climate impact of CO₂ isn't linear, but it isn't logarithmic either when considering a range spanning several orders of magnitude rather than just a few doublings.

  • @alexbenavidez4500
    @alexbenavidez4500 Před 2 lety

    People have been complaining about those Family memes on Facebook for the past week, I straight up choked on my drink when it came up.

  • @spamspam4117
    @spamspam4117 Před 4 měsíci

    The first linear estimate is also quickly debunked by basic thermodynamics - you can never heat something to a higher temperature than the source of heat (the sun), which is ~6000K. It's clear that linear response is just a first approximation and saturation will necessarily be reached. It's also clear from opacity of absorption. When something is almost transparent, adding some ink (or CO2) will increase absorption approximately linearly... but that only works when each ray meets at most 1 ink molecule. Once you take into account "shading" - what was absorbed already, can't be absorbed again because it's no longer there - you see that... when "water is already black", adding more ink won't make it blacker.

  • @m1k3droid
    @m1k3droid Před 2 lety +1

    The real reason Venus isn’t warmer is because it has so much sulfur dioxide which is a negative feedback

  • @lorenzoblum868
    @lorenzoblum868 Před 2 lety +5

    Our ecosystem is a gem. We're crushing it. Btw, the carbon footprint of the military industrial complex anybody?

    • @fromnorway643
      @fromnorway643 Před 2 lety +4

      I think the carbon footprint of the "civilian industrial complex" is far larger.

    • @DeandreSteven
      @DeandreSteven Před 2 lety +1

      Not to mention our biggest developer and users of nuclear power is our united states military.

    • @lorenzoblum868
      @lorenzoblum868 Před 2 lety

      @@fromnorway643 you must be on the military industrial complex payroll...

    • @fromnorway643
      @fromnorway643 Před 2 lety

      @@lorenzoblum868
      Far from it!
      The world would definitely be a better place if the resources spent on the military was used on other things, but most of the ecological destruction is caused by civilian activities.

  • @Rinzler1983
    @Rinzler1983 Před 2 lety +1

    Legend says Venus was origianlly a hot planet but after scientists named it Venus it got cold

  • @thesecondkate
    @thesecondkate Před 2 lety +10

    But… but trott said Venus was a gas giant

  • @henrycgs
    @henrycgs Před 2 lety +1

    if the heating caused by co2 was linear, we could just keep adding co2 to a planet and it would never stop heating, until it was hotter than the sun

  • @Namerson
    @Namerson Před 2 lety +2

    I've always disliked the phrasing of "warm air holding more water", the air itself has practically nothing to do with absolute humidity. I think we should make a collective effort to just talk about it in terms of water's vapour pressure.

    • @davidtitanium22
      @davidtitanium22 Před 2 lety

      I don't quite understand what you're saying but it also proves a point that "warm air holds more water" is just easier to get the idea across (unless it's wrong, then i would ask you what's wrong with the statement)

    • @Namerson
      @Namerson Před 2 lety +1

      @@davidtitanium22 it's not an easier idea to get across, it's just a misconception. Saying warm water gives off more water vapour is just as simple, I think. And remember, the air is almost completely irrelevant - the amount of water vapour would be the same if there was absolutely no air.

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw Před 2 lety

      @@davidtitanium22 Namerson is correct, but he is being purposefully vague.
      The principle of of water vaporising is wholly temperature based, and only related to air temperature in that air temperature is a prime cause for water becoming warmer.
      The Wikipedia page on evaporation is helpful "When a molecule near the surface absorbs enough energy to overcome the vapor pressure, it will escape and enter the surrounding air as a gas."
      The presence of other gasses (ie atmosphere) is not needed for evaporation.

  • @Tiniuc
    @Tiniuc Před 2 lety +2

    "why is Venus so cold?"
    *I'm not in a Warframe video... I think*

  • @DaydreamNative
    @DaydreamNative Před 2 lety

    I can see why you didn't want to directly cite the increased albedo from additional cloud cover being the main source of that uncertainty for Earth's climate right before saying Venus' cloud cover is one of the two main reasons for its 'cold' temperature. ;)

  • @glennschroeder8013
    @glennschroeder8013 Před 2 lety

    Being called the Ridiculous States of America is the least of the insults we've heard. Bring 'em on!!

  • @robertcoeymanjr.2550
    @robertcoeymanjr.2550 Před 2 lety

    What about the significant greenhouse gasses?

  • @zachos-un6py
    @zachos-un6py Před 2 lety

    What movie was that "gentlemen that's unacceptable" from?

  • @maybevoldemort8995
    @maybevoldemort8995 Před 2 lety +7

    My first thought: Venus is a Queen and she is just herself. She just is who she is and doesn’t give a care. Then I realised you meant the planet. I then realised I’ve been watching too much much drag race.

  • @beepeesoup
    @beepeesoup Před 2 lety

    Calling me a ho is one thing, but a thrillho? That's just... accurate...

  • @heiko5209
    @heiko5209 Před 2 lety +6

    "Why is venus so cold?"
    Thumbnail: 460°C

  • @extrawarmwhite3946
    @extrawarmwhite3946 Před 2 lety

    Would Venus cool down if we moved it further away from the sun possible as far out as Mars or between Mars & Jupiter`s orbit

  • @spaghettimeatballswow
    @spaghettimeatballswow Před 2 lety +1

    Can we store CO2 from Earth onto the Moon? Then just chip off a little whenever it gets too cold.

  • @carpet_appetite
    @carpet_appetite Před 2 lety

    Aww, man. I'm shivering

  • @PremierCCGuyMMXVI
    @PremierCCGuyMMXVI Před 2 lety +1

    The title and thumbnail confused me so much lol

  • @tristunalekzander5608
    @tristunalekzander5608 Před 2 lety +1

    _"Doubling CO2 will raise temperatures by 1.5-4.5C."_ Which would still put us well below Earth's normal temperatures and CO2 levels. Also, the history of Earth's CO2 levels vs its temperatures indicate that the two aren't as strongly correlated as many scientists theorize and our models aren't much better than our models about water vapor. You also forgot to mention that while water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas, in the form of clouds, water vapor actually cools the planet dramatically, reflecting almost all light that hits it back into space. The more clouds you have, the cooler the planet will be, though more water vapor doesn't necessarily = more clouds.

  • @mitab1
    @mitab1 Před 2 lety

    I never thought i would ever hear "venus" and "cold" in The same sentence.

  • @user-oz6jx1kt6t
    @user-oz6jx1kt6t Před 2 lety +1

    If the greenhouse gasses also reduce the energy that got into the earth. Won't adding a dense layer of CO2 that covers the entire earth in a short span cools the earth instead ?

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw Před 2 lety

      No, because incoming radiation isn't intercepted by CO2 at the usual wavelengths. Its the reflected wavelengths that ghg's trap.

  • @leonardtramiel8704
    @leonardtramiel8704 Před 2 lety

    You say that Earth is so far down the curve from Venus that putting more CO2 into out atmosphere now is about the same as putting in the first bit. That doesn't sound right. Earth's CO2 sensitivity is currently logarithmic. This is because the atmosphere is optically thick in the CO2 absorption bands. That is not the case for the first bit of CO2.
    Am I missing something? I'd appreciate any information you could provide.

  • @peterryrfeldt8568
    @peterryrfeldt8568 Před 2 lety +2

    I have never seen anyone describe veus as cold lol