Fourteenth Doctor was not man who regrets. He was Man who accepts. He accepted that he loved others. He accepted that regenerating was not dying. Therefore he got two rewards, being with his family and friends and bigenerating instead of regular regenerating
I am amazed that almost seemingly nobody has noticed the eyebrow story is about Delphon, a planet mentioned by the Third doctor where they only communicate with their eyebrows
So, this scene made me bawl. All of that pain that ten went through, the hundreds of people he’s lost over the years, all of that trauma: finally being addressed and healthily taken care of. And his life not being perfect, and some days not being great, but most days being nice, is such an accurate depiction of recovery. This scene is the perfect resolution to ten and 14’s story. God, I cried.
"Who'd have thought I ended up with a family." - 14th Doctor "The Giggle" "In all the universe, I never expected to find a family." - Sarah Jane Smith "The Man Who Never Was" These two quotes just seemed so similar, I just HAD to put them together!
As happy as I am to see 14 with his family, I still imagine that the process of healing has only just begun. The Doctor has seen so much and has suffered so much and he’s run from it all. He is the man who keeps running, never looking back because he dare not, and now he has to. He has to face all those centuries of pain and loss and grief. The Doctor has said many times that he thinks the pain of it all would kill him, and I think he’s right. I think it would actually kill him, causing him to regenerate over and over again out of grief, always into an old face, always sobbing, and yet always with Donna and his family sitting there, right beside him, never moving, always there for him as his faces flow like his tears from one to the next until finally, he turns into an old, frail version of one of his favorite incarnations, his fourth. Finally, the weight of the millennia slides off his shoulders and he can resume enjoying life with his family, occasionally taking them on outings in his Tardis, and always bringing back a piece of everywhere he goes. Eventually the things he collects get put into a museum that proves very useful to his younger self and he lives out the rest of his days amongst family until he finally rests his head for the last time in his Tardis and sleeps his final sleep. The Lonely god has finally found his home, and he lived happily ever after.
While his successor, himself in a brave, heroic, powerful new form, the regeneration called 15, continues on, adventuring on alongside Ruby Sunday, a girl who has the same blonde hair as Rose Tyler. The adventure continues, as thanks to Bi-Generation, one doctor finds peace, and the other now finds his calling, adventure.
So... something from what you've said about the fourth, surely if thats the case that he turns into the fourth as an elderly man... He becomes the curator
Imagine they did a whole series where the Bi-generated Doctors travelled together as companions & one was in a low point like 11 after losing Amy & Rory, & the other was at a High Point, like 10 at the beginning of his regeneration.
I loved the way they handled WIlf and Bernard Cribbins' death. Instead of killing the character off entirely, they just had him elsewhere. I don't think the audience could have handled WIlf actually dying; we're still getting over not having Bernard anymore. He himself was just as beloved as Wilf was.
This still doesn't feel completely real, to be honest. I can't believe RTD managed to pull off such a beautiful intro for Ncuti Gatwa's 15th Doctor while giving us the most cathartic possible ending for 14 and Donna. I'm not a huge fan of the bi-regeneration as a concept, but as a long-time fan of the Doctor and Donna, him settling down with her and her family was more than I ever dreamed of. I'm so happy Donna finally got the happy ending she deserved too, because while her original ending was tragically beautiful in its own right, this was an immensely satisfying payoff after so many years.
I’m not a massive fan of what happened in The Timeless Child arc but if bigeneration is a thing, then The Doctor is the perfect person to become that myth. After all, he’s not Gallifreyan; he’s both the source of regeneration and also something ‘other’. The normal rules need not apply. I wouldn’t want it to happen again of course. One is kinda cool, multiple would start to feel ever more lame.
Yeah bi-generarion being a common thing would kind draw away the magic of the 60th anniversary. Though also not personally a fan of it and its confusing a bit like how will 14 turn in 15 now that they bi-generated??🤔
What if...after bi-generation 14th doctor lost regeneration ability and his lifespan is much shorter due to dr #15, who is ... just next generation ? Look at Donna's doctor mind recovery and what Who said - she have a child so some part of energy went to her child - so looks like his "life energy" can't be doubled but divided between bodies so the bigger part of it went to #15
This ending was so emotional and a 'nod' to the Tennant fans who never want to see him go, He hasn't gone... just living a happy, peaceful life now in a family. And it also leaves his story open to he can always come back in future episodes (hopefully)!
References in this scene: 0:54 the Third Doctor's first episode where he chaotically talked about the species on Delphar (i think i got the spelling right) who communicated with their eyebrows, which he used to talk about his. 2:26 I think this is a reference to "I like the mole" from Tennant's first scene as the Doctor from the 2005 Children in Need special where he was reacting to his new body. His very first scene referenced in his final ;v;
@@thebrokentable7554Again this won’t be for a while, but he will probably regenerate after his time with Donna and everyone, that’s when 2 new doctors will exist at the same time.
The Fourteenth Doctor does eventually become the Fifteenth, and the Timeless Child has a long, long life. This is happy in the moment, but you know this ultimately ends the way it always does; they all die and the Doctor is back to being alone. I'm kind of assuming the Fourteenth's proper end will be during the Fifteenth's, because unlike with the Meta-Crisis, we don't actually learn what will happen to Fourteen beyond what we already know (he completes the bi-generation eventually by emerging from his past self as 15). And at the end of the day, a few decades is a drop in the bucket for the Doctor. Besides, based on The Church on Ruby Road it doesn't look like the Fifteenth Doctor will get to escape trauma coming right back on him. Just finished relaxing now he gets hit with things again.
There was a moment in 15's first episode where he says he has no family, so I think we will see him mourning the Nobles in some capacity. Though it does beg the question of why he's able to revisit them since it's confirmed we'll see Rose again.
Obviously I’m relieved Doctor Who will carry on for a long time to come and I’m enjoying the new series. But if the show had had to end here, what a lovely send off it would’ve been. If the show ever ends it either has to end with ‘and he kept on running, forever’ vibe implying endless exciting adventures, or with a peaceful ‘and the Doctor finally stopped running. And rested’ peaceful ending like in this episode, which managed to give us both!
Its actually a nice ending to the doctor his story. First we had river as the doctors wife hinting that in the future he would have a family.then the 11th had amy,rory and river as an actuall family. Then 12 spended most of his life with river. Then 13 tried having a family and now 14 finally setteled down
Tom Bakers Doctor Retired, You see him in the end of the special 'Day of the Doctor' he is now a curator of the art museum, he even says... well hints "if I were you!" so Tom Bakers 4th Doctor has retired and gone on to live a normal life on Earth, It's not clear if he was STILL the Doctor or Bi-generation happened back then too and Baker was just living out his Ex-Doctor life or he was still the Doctor in waiting just growing old until he regenrated.
If the bi-generation truly split the Doctor into two people, I think it'd be a perfect fit if the Curator is 14's future. Allow him to keep his happy ending.
"Okay. Kid, I love you. Get out." It's official. 15 is definitely the big brother of the Doctors (which is weird considering how much older some of his past incarnations are)
Doctor: "So, she looked at me, The Warrior Queen of the Felooth." *looks at Mel* Mel: "Oh!" LOL, I love they just imply that Mel's heard this one, since she's joining in mid-story.
I find that last line really poignant. Back in “The Family of Blood”, Ten as John Smith lamented that a normal life was something the Doctor could never have. Took a while, but it looks like he finally got there.
Meanwhile while Sutekth is attacking Earth with Donna’s daughter in danger. Doctor and Donna are like “Nah,not our problem,the other Doctor can handle it” Donna wouldn’t act like that, she would try and get the 14th Doctor to help the 15th Doctor stop Sutekth because it concerns the fate of her daughter and the rest of the world.
@@Vicioussnakeboy No it's a reference to the late Bernard Cribbins himself. It's a reference to a phone called he and RTD had when Bernard was actually shooting moles back in the day as I recall it.
Does anyone see this a good proper ending to the doctor who serie as a finale. Granted I know season 15 is happening. But this feels like a conclusion.
He finally has a family? Thats a big insult to his kids and grand kids not to mention Amy and Rory who were his family as well. In a very literal sense. What there are two Doctors now one in retirement?
He is hundreds, if not thousands, of years older since then. It's been a very, *very* long time since his actual kids, and still a very long time since the Ponds. Finally is definitely a word that can be used here, but I think it's more relying on an unspoken "I finally have a family, where we don't run. We don't survive. We just simply exist- together."
The Man Who Regrets found something to enjoy; The Man Who Forgets promised not to forget one line-not one day.
Fourteenth Doctor was not man who regrets. He was Man who accepts. He accepted that he loved others. He accepted that regenerating was not dying. Therefore he got two rewards, being with his family and friends and bigenerating instead of regular regenerating
"I've never been so happy in my life "Finally found peace of heart and peace of life
Even though David was THE Doctor, and I'm sure we all want to see him for the 70th or maybe even after, I feel this was the perfect ending for him. :)
9 said he was after a quiet life in Bad Wolf!
14th saluting 15th is great, a regeneration actually passing the torch to another.
I am amazed that almost seemingly nobody has noticed the eyebrow story is about Delphon, a planet mentioned by the Third doctor where they only communicate with their eyebrows
I thought watching it wondering if it was doctor one or two that communicated with them
1:29
I picked up on that
I think it is true. Nobody or “small” community understands this!
So, this scene made me bawl. All of that pain that ten went through, the hundreds of people he’s lost over the years, all of that trauma: finally being addressed and healthily taken care of. And his life not being perfect, and some days not being great, but most days being nice, is such an accurate depiction of recovery. This scene is the perfect resolution to ten and 14’s story. God, I cried.
Not just ten, all of them from one to fourteen (who is not ten).
"I've never been so happy in my life..." **goes into a corner and cries** I'm not crying, you're crying! **sob sob** Damn, I'm crying! lol
And to think the last words he was going to say was " I don't wanna go" while crying, regenerating, and being alone.
"Who'd have thought I ended up with a family." - 14th Doctor "The Giggle"
"In all the universe, I never expected to find a family." - Sarah Jane Smith "The Man Who Never Was"
These two quotes just seemed so similar, I just HAD to put them together!
As happy as I am to see 14 with his family, I still imagine that the process of healing has only just begun. The Doctor has seen so much and has suffered so much and he’s run from it all. He is the man who keeps running, never looking back because he dare not, and now he has to. He has to face all those centuries of pain and loss and grief. The Doctor has said many times that he thinks the pain of it all would kill him, and I think he’s right. I think it would actually kill him, causing him to regenerate over and over again out of grief, always into an old face, always sobbing, and yet always with Donna and his family sitting there, right beside him, never moving, always there for him as his faces flow like his tears from one to the next until finally, he turns into an old, frail version of one of his favorite incarnations, his fourth. Finally, the weight of the millennia slides off his shoulders and he can resume enjoying life with his family, occasionally taking them on outings in his Tardis, and always bringing back a piece of everywhere he goes. Eventually the things he collects get put into a museum that proves very useful to his younger self and he lives out the rest of his days amongst family until he finally rests his head for the last time in his Tardis and sleeps his final sleep.
The Lonely god has finally found his home, and he lived happily ever after.
His happily ever after
While his successor, himself in a brave, heroic, powerful new form, the regeneration called 15, continues on, adventuring on alongside Ruby Sunday, a girl who has the same blonde hair as Rose Tyler. The adventure continues, as thanks to Bi-Generation, one doctor finds peace, and the other now finds his calling, adventure.
So... something from what you've said about the fourth, surely if thats the case that he turns into the fourth as an elderly man... He becomes the curator
Deeply cringe, holy shit this comment is a 10/10 on the cringe factor.
@@agure4061 Whatever bro
I know this might be the 14th Doctor's redemption and finding peace after years of fighting, but I wonder if he'll ever return.
If they could get him teaming with 11 (Back when he was 10), they’ll do it with 15
15 might ask him for some help in the future
Imagine they did a whole series where the Bi-generated Doctors travelled together as companions & one was in a low point like 11 after losing Amy & Rory, & the other was at a High Point, like 10 at the beginning of his regeneration.
He already did he is the curator from day of the doctor he gave him a wink saying he will see old faces again
I loved the way they handled WIlf and Bernard Cribbins' death. Instead of killing the character off entirely, they just had him elsewhere. I don't think the audience could have handled WIlf actually dying; we're still getting over not having Bernard anymore. He himself was just as beloved as Wilf was.
This ❤
This still doesn't feel completely real, to be honest. I can't believe RTD managed to pull off such a beautiful intro for Ncuti Gatwa's 15th Doctor while giving us the most cathartic possible ending for 14 and Donna. I'm not a huge fan of the bi-regeneration as a concept, but as a long-time fan of the Doctor and Donna, him settling down with her and her family was more than I ever dreamed of. I'm so happy Donna finally got the happy ending she deserved too, because while her original ending was tragically beautiful in its own right, this was an immensely satisfying payoff after so many years.
I’m not a massive fan of what happened in The Timeless Child arc but if bigeneration is a thing, then The Doctor is the perfect person to become that myth. After all, he’s not Gallifreyan; he’s both the source of regeneration and also something ‘other’. The normal rules need not apply.
I wouldn’t want it to happen again of course. One is kinda cool, multiple would start to feel ever more lame.
Yeah bi-generarion being a common thing would kind draw away the magic of the 60th anniversary. Though also not personally a fan of it and its confusing a bit like how will 14 turn in 15 now that they bi-generated??🤔
What if...after bi-generation 14th doctor lost regeneration ability and his lifespan is much shorter due to dr #15, who is ... just next generation ? Look at Donna's doctor mind recovery and what Who said - she have a child so some part of energy went to her child - so looks like his "life energy" can't be doubled but divided between bodies so the bigger part of it went to #15
After so long, Tennant’s doctor and Donna finally get their happy friendship ever after.
“Love the moles” great callback to CIN short Born Again
Rip bernard cribbins
A genuine fantastic conclusion. And brings potential future opportunities for this doctor to come back
This ending was so emotional and a 'nod' to the Tennant fans who never want to see him go, He hasn't gone... just living a happy, peaceful life now in a family. And it also leaves his story open to he can always come back in future episodes (hopefully)!
I'm glad my favorite Doctor and Donna can just have their peace now
I don't know if anyone has said this but 15's soundtrack sounds like it came straight out of jetpack joyride
I always thought 11's theme sounded like the theme from Sonic 06.
References in this scene:
0:54 the Third Doctor's first episode where he chaotically talked about the species on Delphar (i think i got the spelling right) who communicated with their eyebrows, which he used to talk about his.
2:26 I think this is a reference to "I like the mole" from Tennant's first scene as the Doctor from the 2005 Children in Need special where he was reacting to his new body. His very first scene referenced in his final ;v;
i know he wont have this peace forever but its nice he has some of it
I want to see more of his relationship with his niece. 😭
I hope we get a Big Finish Audio Drama where 14 and Rose fight Ice Warriors.
@@nekusakura6748idk having him go into retirement and then immediately go back to fighting monsters seems counter productive
@@thebrokentable7554 Fair Enough. I still want to hear Rose Noble in a few Big Finish DW Audio Dramas at some point.
@@nekusakura6748 maybe a companion chronicle with the 15th doctor
@@thebrokentable7554Again this won’t be for a while, but he will probably regenerate after his time with Donna and everyone, that’s when 2 new doctors will exist at the same time.
The Fourteenth Doctor does eventually become the Fifteenth, and the Timeless Child has a long, long life. This is happy in the moment, but you know this ultimately ends the way it always does; they all die and the Doctor is back to being alone. I'm kind of assuming the Fourteenth's proper end will be during the Fifteenth's, because unlike with the Meta-Crisis, we don't actually learn what will happen to Fourteen beyond what we already know (he completes the bi-generation eventually by emerging from his past self as 15).
And at the end of the day, a few decades is a drop in the bucket for the Doctor. Besides, based on The Church on Ruby Road it doesn't look like the Fifteenth Doctor will get to escape trauma coming right back on him. Just finished relaxing now he gets hit with things again.
There was a moment in 15's first episode where he says he has no family, so I think we will see him mourning the Nobles in some capacity. Though it does beg the question of why he's able to revisit them since it's confirmed we'll see Rose again.
@@RileyWritey That's... a very good point actually. Nicely spotted.
The Doctor is talking about the planet Delphon I believe, Jon Pertwee brought it up in his first story
Obviously I’m relieved Doctor Who will carry on for a long time to come and I’m enjoying the new series. But if the show had had to end here, what a lovely send off it would’ve been. If the show ever ends it either has to end with ‘and he kept on running, forever’ vibe implying endless exciting adventures, or with a peaceful ‘and the Doctor finally stopped running. And rested’ peaceful ending like in this episode, which managed to give us both!
What’s that the Doctor and fam are drinking? Wait, is that…
Oh, not again, Mel!
Its actually a nice ending to the doctor his story. First we had river as the doctors wife hinting that in the future he would have a family.then the 11th had amy,rory and river as an actuall family. Then 12 spended most of his life with river. Then 13 tried having a family and now 14 finally setteled down
I kind of wish Bernard Cribbins was here too. That they planned ahead and made this scene before he passed away. But his reunion was beautiful too.
I love seeing one of the Doctors just retire!
Tom Bakers Doctor Retired, You see him in the end of the special 'Day of the Doctor' he is now a curator of the art museum, he even says... well hints "if I were you!" so Tom Bakers 4th Doctor has retired and gone on to live a normal life on Earth, It's not clear if he was STILL the Doctor or Bi-generation happened back then too and Baker was just living out his Ex-Doctor life or he was still the Doctor in waiting just growing old until he regenrated.
@@ghostpanic oh yeah, I forgot about that! Well, it's nice to see him retire, *again* !
If the bi-generation truly split the Doctor into two people, I think it'd be a perfect fit if the Curator is 14's future. Allow him to keep his happy ending.
This is so beautiful. Also, if ANYONE knows where Rose’s top/dress is from please let me know! (The one she is wearing at the dinner)
"Okay. Kid, I love you. Get out."
It's official. 15 is definitely the big brother of the Doctors (which is weird considering how much older some of his past incarnations are)
Doctor: "So, she looked at me, The Warrior Queen of the Felooth." *looks at Mel*
Mel: "Oh!"
LOL, I love they just imply that Mel's heard this one, since she's joining in mid-story.
I find that last line really poignant. Back in “The Family of Blood”, Ten as John Smith lamented that a normal life was something the Doctor could never have. Took a while, but it looks like he finally got there.
The 14 more intouch with his emotions
I feel like that story wpuld apply for either 3 ir 12
Meanwhile while Sutekth is attacking Earth with Donna’s daughter in danger. Doctor and Donna are like “Nah,not our problem,the other Doctor can handle it” Donna wouldn’t act like that, she would try and get the 14th Doctor to help the 15th Doctor stop Sutekth because it concerns the fate of her daughter and the rest of the world.
The eyebrows is a tribute to Jon Pertwee.
The moles is a reference to a mole guy in the old series too.
I think the moles is a reference to 10 noticing the mole on his shoulder immediately after regenerating from 9
@@Vicioussnakeboy No it's a reference to the late Bernard Cribbins himself. It's a reference to a phone called he and RTD had when Bernard was actually shooting moles back in the day as I recall it.
It’s great to have you back 10th doctor and tardis ❤🇬🇧
Does anyone see this a good proper ending to the doctor who serie as a finale. Granted I know season 15 is happening. But this feels like a conclusion.
If doctor who had to end here, that would have been okay.
It's not the 12th Doctor who would have done it, all his companions have disappeared
2:19
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Which episode are these Zelooth from? And what the Hell is a ZINGO???
I think the third doctor mentioned the zelooth in his debut episode.
Does this mean Donna is Susan's grandmother?
River should have been there
Nah man Susan, HIS ACTUAL GRADNDAUGHTER lol
@@thebrokentable7554 Both of them
@@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF I mean to be fair river is “dead” at this point, maybe we should just let her rest
@@thebrokentable7554 maybe
He finally has a family? Thats a big insult to his kids and grand kids not to mention Amy and Rory who were his family as well. In a very literal sense. What there are two Doctors now one in retirement?
He is hundreds, if not thousands, of years older since then. It's been a very, *very* long time since his actual kids, and still a very long time since the Ponds. Finally is definitely a word that can be used here, but I think it's more relying on an unspoken "I finally have a family, where we don't run. We don't survive. We just simply exist- together."
Possibly the last scene of David Tennant ever!
You said that in the 50th. Lol