Keir Starmer's ex-colleague explains his weaknesses
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- Andrew Fisher was Labour's Director of Policy under Jeremy Corbyn and played a large part in writing the 2017 and 2019 election manifestos.
He sat down with us after Keir Starmer today announced Jeremy Corbyn will "never" stand as a Labour MP again.
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When asked at a election hustings 'Why do you have a private health lobbyist on your team?' Starmer replied 'I will not accept questions on my staff' .... speaks volumes.
After viewing The Labour Files by Al Jazeera, it is my personal belief that the Labour Party is now controlled by the State. Arguments against this belief are welcomed.
Out of interest who is this person?
the answer is that the Labour Party is currently accepting large donations from American Health companies. They are also accepting donations from former Tory party donors and lobbying companies on behalf of "interested parties". Is this ethical, moral, or indeed principled? Answers on the back of a blank cheque, please.
@@blue47er we're heading in that direction no matter who gets into power
@@n00bma5ter69 that's why there needs to be serious change; starmer is a tool to extract the tories, and then he must go. He missed his opportunity to stick a stake in the ground from the getgo, as the lib dems did with their return to the EU and universal basic income, which is a sound economic policy, while solving the collapse of the standards of living. The brexiteers and tories have been getting away with tweaking and legitimated racism and xenophobia to get votes, and indeed street violence. Someone has to puncture the rubber boat nonsense
How is it that recognising the Palestinian people as deserving of basic human rights is now "anti-semitic"?
As someone who is friends with and who organises often with many left-wing Jewish people, who themselves share similare views with me on zionism and on the modern-day apartheid state of Israel and it's far-right government, I really can't wait for us to move past this cowardly phase on the left so that we can have actual conversations again instead of tiptoe-ing around the issue for fear of being labeled an anti-semite.
You were 6 times more likely to get kicked out of Labour for antisemitism if... wait for it... you were Jewish. Go figure.
Wait for it, it'll soon be illegal to question or criticise the government. Just look at the proposed anti-strike laws
'They' have changed antisemitism to include criticism of the state of Israel.
Think you'll find those equating AS with apartheid Israel are not actually left, but neoliberals.
@Littlestone 100% in agreement with you. The label stuck on Jeremy Corbyn was sold through the propaganda press . Starmer is more and more akin to a Tory sitting in. the Labour benches ...
"I would rather Jeremy Corbyn looked a scruff than bombed Libya" soooo true! The perfect statement to reflect the dismal state of British politics.
it's no effort to turn up to parliament not looking like a bag of shit though is it. may not matter to you, but it does to some people - plenty of the working class, in fact. and the fact that he didn't understand this is just one of the litany of the reasons that he didn't get anywhere.
@sidevans1 I think the emphasis we place as a society on how we look, which is often prized far higher than how we behave, is a real reflection of the issues in this country, and is probably one if the reasons we have ended up with a parliament full of vacuous and sub-par people. It is also an incredibly subjective thing, I actually think Jeremy generally looks very nice, but how he looks is not something measurable on which votes should be cast either way.
@@josephineh6154 fine, that's your opinion. if everyone thought like you then he'd be prime minister - and here we are. you need to understand the country you want to govern to be able to govern it. he didn't. i don't think he could be arsed to govern it anyway, but that's another argument.
But you can't stop the bombing of libya if you are not in power. That is what the far left of Labour seem to be missing. Your principle means nothing if you cannot enact it. At worst people think they are more important than actually helping people.
I love that line as well 😆
Andrew, you need to know loads and loads of people supported the policies and ideas that you worked for, and we still do. Thank you for your work.
Not enough to win the election, though.
So few infact, those policies and ideas led to the election of perhaps the most dangerous man in British Politics by giving him a large majority. An utter buffoon beat those ideas.
You can have all the ideas you want, but it means nothing without the power to implement them.
When Starmer says that if people still support Corbyn then they can leave, does he also mean this for Labour voters?
No
@@gilldanier4129 it was supposed to be rhetorical but thx 😂
Well said and yes it's like saying fu labour voters who support Jeremy Corbyn why because Jeremy has a bigger fan base for sure so he's a threat to starmers chances of being pm if he gives him back the whip
I couldn't in good conscience vote either main parties. It's a farce. We need PR to give others incentives and a chance. Happy to have a hung parliament with neither Labour or Tory getting in. Rhetoric pours out of their lying mouths
@@gilldanier4129 I'll think you'll find that's how labour voters are going to interpret it
And you were exactly right about public ownership look what's happened with those utilities it's scandalous
Could Andrew Fisher and GarysEconomics talk to JC and put a CZcams channel together to educate the nation please?
We need to understand and get answers to where the "£700 billion" came from. Educate the masses because that's what those in power fear the most!
Btw keep up the good work Joe
👍🏻 Yep, we've absolutely got to give people the information they need, in an easy to digest, relatable & memorable way, so they're not hoodwinked by the self serving media class or things will continue to get worse
Try Hansard….that might tell you why Corbyn imposed a 3 line whip to support the Tories enact Article 50 !! Oh you’ve forgotten already , allow me to remind you, that’s the “project” which is costing the country a 4% reduction in long term GDP and turned this country into a prison island. Yes talk to Corbyn by all means and ask him why he betrayed the Labour Party ?
@@californiadreamin8423
Is that the EU Referendum Act?
@@SkyEcho7 Sorry , typing error Article 50.
@@californiadreamin8423
Invoking the EU Withdrawal Act, Article 50 - The one Gina Millar had to take to court to get May's Government to allow UK Parliament to play its constitutional part in?
Triggered the start of the two year negotiations between UK Parliament & the EU - Enacting 'The will of the people'.
"The Tories have wrecked the country but don't worry, the Labour party will keep things as they are" is a great summary of Starmer's messaging.
100% true..Starmer is Tory lite and nothing will change if Liebour are elected.
@@idonthavealoginname an improvement on further tory heists at least.
@@weirdlytrue no
Tory boy Starmer will only carry on and continue current Tory policies. He's clearly one of them.
@@weirdlytrue Nothing will change under Starmer but maybe he will shuffle a few deck chairs on the sinking ship SS Great Britain ...
Great summary of where we are in this country right now and I will certainly be sharing this video with people I know. Thanks to Andrew for taking the time to be honest about Britain as it is today.
Andrew Fisher, you're a GOOD man and I share many of your thoughts. Thank you for your contribution which by far transcends the limitations of the current debate. Keep Well!
He's a hack 😂
Unions should pull funding. If Starmer and Labour want to be Tory 2.0 then they should fund themselves and see how far they get without their grassroots.
What a great way to hand an election to the tory's
@Nathan Eddy And having Starmer's Labour continuing as present would be different how? A different rosette colour? Great. It's not a sports game.
If Labour doesn't represent labour *through choices they themselves made* then the unions shouldn't support them.
@@pee-ray5760 I'm sorry what a liberal labour is 1000 times better than Tory's what kind of virtue signalling bullshit is this. They literally want to strip away human fucking rights we don't have time to deal with your little virtue signals.
Not to mention... Labour represents labour... It's circular the labour party represents the labour party. Do you not understand how labour leaders are elected....
unions want a labour government.
@@sidevans1 Although I am a member of the Green Party, I would quite like a Labour government, too. But would a Starmer government be Labour?
We welcome the honourable Jeremy Corbyn to run independent for the mayor of London. He is a champion for human rights, workers, rights, quality and diversity sure seat for Jeremy
Well said !!!
let him win his seat first, that's one less for the new liebour starmer party
What about his constituents though??
I don't know about Kier starmers constituents some agree with him some don't it's the same in every part of the country depends on what people want from labour leader and his policy's some agree some disagree
@@oneoflokis all I know is far to much attention is on far right and any far left are being literally taken out of the equation and any one who disagrees with starma views he's said can leave or Thier booted out this is turning into a dictatership not an equal minded party
@44:00 I think what the last few years has shown is that the rich will not, under any circumstances allow neoliberalism to die, that why they are happy to spend much more fighting the unions than what the unions were asking for, its not a question of tory or labour now, neither party will challenge it, the only opportunity was with JC's labour but that won't be allowed to happen again.
Because he was a loser and lost twice and the public rejected it en mass !!
@@1ramises We don't live in a democracy. More people voted for Jeremy and won a larger portion of the votes than Blair.
@@1ramises no. Because the public are vile little scabs who think they're working class but are actually just precarious scabs.
@@robsonbarstow9355 Hang on, you can’t have it both ways. The paragon of socialism, a lifetime in politics , those dark smoke filled meetings plotting i mean deciding on strategy, couldn’t handle the blond buffoon who spends more time in bed than in politics. Well Jewemy blew it , we’re all feeling the painful consequences, and it’s high time he’s gone. Even now, today, he’s a gift for the Tories , trying to stay in government.
@@1ramises he was not a looser
I really enjoyed this conversation. Anyone who has a wince of integrity and a spec of intelligence can clearly see why they kicked Corbyn out of the party. Unfortunately the apathetic won't watch, but will continue reading newspapers, and the "institutionalised" will ignore it, as having Corbyn out supports their agenda.
you may like this, it was my comment above
The people you are talking about that can lead the Labour Party with ideas and charisma don’t get to survive due to the Tory biased nature of the British media, nearly all of it (David Eggerton's The Rise and Fall Of The British Nation), how our propaganda system works, Herman/Chomsky, Manufacturing Consent). The first past the post system, the two-party system that arises out of that, the silly way the house of Lords is selected and non-democratic, the huge inequality, the mill stone of imperial history, associated jingoism, misogyny and racism all work against these people surviving. From what I know Jeremy Corbyn is a perfect eg of this, from one of these casts, in his own words it is obvious he is not antisemitic or ever was. He was stitched up by the establishment as his policies were running the risk of working and they cannot afford that to occur, for its own sake and as an example to follow. Even you guys here played into that, you did not refute these slurs against Jeremy, yet mentioned them in passing, tacitly reinforcing those erroneous ideas. This is why the people are leaving the Labour Party, despite the obvious viciousness of the Tories against ordinary people. This should be a time people flock to join the Labour Party and they would if Jeremey were leader and did.
This is very dangerous, as you indeed point out the next Labour Party is likely to disappoint and there is, a very real possibility people, I think, will turn to populist people offering simplistic solutions, like Ukip, or whatever it is called now and Farage, ie fascists. This is why Labour need people like Jeremy Corbyn’s and Starmer is playing a very silly game by undermining them. The Tories are chasing the Farage faction already. Trying to stop their loony fringes migrating to the extreme right parties. Several of their eg ex Thatcher Ministers have gone across and the Tories only have a fringe left. This is a very dangerous development. Read The Death Of Democracy and The Rise Of Hitler (sorry can’t remember the author off the top of my head, search it, it’s a recent book by an academic). In this you can see how a country can take the road to Nazism and the UK at present has many of the ingredients required, as shown in that book. For this reason, I have lost a lot of respect for Starmer and his team.
I may be wrong and once in power Labour turns out better than I imagine they will be. I hope so, for the long run. They need to build Britain as a Nation, ie the things Jeremy was talking about, the things they are running away from in fear, gutless wonders, machine men. No wonder members are leaving the Labour party in droves. I reckon I would be if were in it and in the UK. AA the big mill stone for the UK is its whole undemocratic political system, totally biased against the people, that is the root of the problem. It is amazing that Atlee achieved what he did in that system. Just stunning.
Sorry but I never liked Corbyn. Having said that I have never met him but something about his public persona gave me the creeps. I am not keen on Starmer either. I hoped for better but he seems spineless. He has no spark. The leading women on his front bench seem much more on the ball.
@@helenamcginty4920 Corbyn definitely wasn't perfect. I especially think his stance on defence was naive. I think he had an issue with meeting things he didn't agree with half way which was inevitably his downfall. But it's not about that, it's about him being kicked out of the party. I agree, Angela Rayner would be a much better leader. I understand they're looking at winning a GE but I wish they would be a bit more vocal about the unfairness.
@@helenamcginty4920 his public persona was propagated by his enemies. And you fell for it!
@@helenamcginty4920 I met him several times and he wasn't in the slightest bit creepy! He was a real gentleman! No side to him at all and very respectful of people especially health workers.
Excellent but extremely depressing. One of the our greatest problems in this country is our popular press and their influence on Red Wall voters. Most of these papers peddle the most pernicious political nonsense.
Here’s an idea. What about after the Next Election. Keir Starmer is leader of the Conservative party and Mick Lynch Prime Minister 🤔
We might then get some reformist crumbs but would we get more - actual social and economic system change?
@@mattw9764 Well, that may of been said tongue in cheek, but the sentiment has truth. Labour has another Tony Blair type playing up to the establishment powers that be. And in reality not much would probably change. However, I hope I’m wrong. What I would really like to see, is him showing pretense now and then In government doing the right things for the people . Tony Blair came in with a wave of optimism with “ things can only get better “ for a while they did, then the proxy Gulf war. We had odd improvements, but we could have had far more advances. I think ,learning from the past and whatever progress he makes , he should go with many in the Labour Party now, and change the voting system to a type of PR where everybody’s vote actually counts. I know personally, so many people, who do not vote now through Apathy. And I personally would like to see the birth of new , fresh political parties and the re-birth of Labour . When all said and done, I have conservative voting friends and relations and they’re fed up with them now. With the corrupt, outdated electoral system we have , that saying “ It doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always gets in” rings true
😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine a UK Governed freely by Mick Lynch An Jeremy Corbyn.... Actual human beings that care about other human beings.... as opposed to the sociopathic, entitled, millionaire corporate stooges currently destroying the working classes for the benefit of the greedy.
The British people would vote for the nazi party headed with the Austrian painter provided he promised buoyant property market.
Keir Starmer was more than happy with Jeremy's principals when he had a chance to be in his shadow front bench in 2019. But low and behold, here Starmer is in 2023 with a whole new set of principals he thinks the frothing gammon will like. He is a bottle job also because he is absolutely terrified of fleet street and the far right tabloid cartel.
A human rights lawyer that can't see how the government commit those abuses on a daily.
You can find out all about Corbyn and Starmer if you listen to Diane Abbots kiss and tell interview , on Robespierre this morning.
He's got nothing to be afraid of he will never be PM.
I think he's not afraid of them. He genuinely believes that if he's a good boy, slicks his hair and ticks all their boxes, that they'll actually end up backing him, and gladly. He thinks he's the next Tony.
He seems to think that the Tories won't have a box under the desk with his name on it. If they get it out, and empty it all over the dispact box on live tv, watch for the look on his face, because it's going to be priceless.
When will the right of the Labour party learn. Politics isn’t about being in office; it’s about political purity. The last thing you want to do is win and soil yourself with the grubby business of power.
I've seen more backbone in a jellyfish than the back stabber starmer.
I see you get your jokes from the Beano.
I returned to the Labour Party when JC became leader, but given the way that KS is leading, it is not Labour so has lost my vote.
bye
Well alot of people left because of JC, and they're only now coming back, so I question those who changed sides for JC. Also, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Labour will win and make the country a better place, then your heroes will be plunged further into irrelevance. I'd prefer a better Britain over someone incharge who'll never win and will never change things for the better.
How about Nicola Sturgeon.....I would suggest that she is, or was, someone who wasn't afraid to answer difficult questions.
And she doesn't waffle through the answers either. Straight to the point.
Hahaha! That's a laugh - she gave up her 16 year power trip yesterday because shit was away to stick to her. Best running before you can be caught!!
dumb enough to believe working class were up for the rape of working class women imprisoned for poverty - she answered a question chose between middle class narcissist wanks or working class now she's gone so will the rest of the wanks declaring class war on poor and vulnerable having the audacity to pretend that's human rights!
@@np1584 Blah blah blah.
I'd also say Mhairi Black.
Outstanding. The first political figure I’ve seen nailing the current situation with honesty in a very long time.
The only thing outstanding is his duplicity, and it sticks out a mile. Have a word with yourself, you can't nail smoke to a mirror.
Who herr Starmer? A man with no moral spine!
@@fredfredrickson5436 can you explain this duplicity, examples Reasons ect? Not to question but to understand your perspective more?
@@user-rd7ek9ve3r I'd be happy to. Firstly, he has broken, or rowed back on every one of his leadership pledges, steering the party sharply to the right. Secondly, he has presided over an abhorent witch-hunt to oust members with any genuinely socialist leaning by characterising them as antisemitic, with even long serving Jewish members and life long anti-racist activists smeared in this way; an accusation that has been overwhelmingly dismantled in the face of judicial scrutiny. Thirdly, his maneuvering behind the scenes to securing backing from various predatory capitalist institutions while at the same time driving out hundreds of thousands of grass-roots members illustrates his true motives and allegiances. Lastly, he sought to dismantle internal party democracy by imposing an unaccountable electoral college to decide Labour policy and succeeded in undermining the power of members votes; In his most recent speech Starmer casts aside any pretence to creating a party of unity and inclusion and, if you trouble yourself to parse through his rhetoric, described a party regime that will more authoritarian, more centralised, more nationalistic and far less radical in its aims of tackling the systemic injustices of the status-quo. This may be what some are looking for from the Labour Party, but quite frankly it makes me sick to my stomach.
@@fredfredrickson5436 ahhhh you are talking about the duplicity of Stammer. The way you wrote and responded to the original post, who's subject was the guy being interviewed, I understood you were saying the interviewed guy was being false.....'his duplicity' is refering Stammer not the 'political figure' or interviewee....
Great interview! Andrew is one of the good ones. So articulate and knowledgeable.
Didn’t help in 2019 though ? Figured out why ?
@@californiadreamin8423 Starmer’s 2nd Ref policy resulted in a Labour wipe out in a ‘Get Brexit Done’ election. But then Starmer would never have become leader if it hadn’t.
@@hedgiecc If Corbyn wasn’t a Brexiteer…..don’t take my word for it, listen to Diane Abbot on Robespierre yesterday, with her kiss and tell chat…it is highly likely the Referendum would have been to Remain. What a Shill, what a Benedict Arnold. Did he energise the Labour Party to campaign to Remain, because it was Labour Party policy and the majority view of people who support Labour. No he did not…..but he showed his true colours by supporting the Tories get Article 50 passed , by imposing a 3 line whip to vote for the f’ing Tories.
Come on prove me wrong. You can’t even add up. What’s the average of 79 and 81 ??? The Labour Party had a snake in the grass with Corby as leader and it’s time you morons woke up.
@@hedgiecc The electorate sensed something of the night and a weak leader in Corbyn. He has actively worked to undermine Labour Party policy and the best interests of its supporters. Pushed forward by Militant Tendency rebadged as Momentum, his leadership has been a disaster.
The Labour Party are well rid of him. It’s a free country and there’s plenty of room for cult political parties…..Reform U.K. are good at conning people so Corbyn should have no trouble.
Loved his point about nurse wages, and really it applies to the entire nation. if people are earning too little to put food on the table, then they're not gonna be spending it in other shops and the economy will grind to a halt. The best way to get the economy moving is to make sure people have enough spare cash to spend it!
And to be clear I'm talking your working and middle class people here, the elites don't spend their extra money, that's why they have so much. They just horde it in off shore tax havens
Keynesism. I like your cmment.
If all the Bank of England Quantatitive Easing had been distributed to ordinary peoples' bank accounts it would have been spent in the real economy. Instead it merely pushed up share prices in thecCity and worsened property inflation in London. Only 8 pence in the £ of that QE money ever got into the real economy.
Won't do them any good in the end 🙂🙂
Tory apologists for not having wealth or windfall taxes love to claim The Rich would relocate abroad and not pay taxes or invest in Britain (?!!) 😅
I keep seeing a replay of "Animal Farm" you know the scene where the old horse is sent off to the glue factory and the pigs dressed up as humans are celebrating their victory over all the farmyard!
Yeah... Socialists
@@hawklord100 Soi-disant. 😏
Jeremy Corbyn is no Boxer though... (More like a king in exile.)
I expect the neoliberal oinkers think that the British working classes will be their uncomplaining workhorses, like Boxer was in Animal Farm. Trouble is for oinkers, the British working class is VERY restive and verging on militant at present.. 😏
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I'm Boxer! I'm Boxer!......we are all Boxer, and sold down the river by Starmer's Labour.
@@hawklord100 Lesson is Power corrupts and we see this in all parties and the police today.
Jeremy needs to stand as an independent, tell Starmer to sod off. He will get voted back in again.
Just as Livingston was when Blair selected someone else in the Mayor election...
@Samuel Like when he promised to stand shoulder to shoulder with unions in his 10 pledges to get elected?
@@user-kv4mg9uj7j no Starmer has created his own echo chamber, the people that were picked up for racism in the Forbe's report, you remember the report that Sir Saintly Starmer actually requested to sort out the Labour party, well Starmer has not acted upon it, instead he has singled out the person that the Forbe's report concluded wasn't personally responsible for the antisemitism in the Labour party from the Labour party despite saying in 2020 on his leadership campaign that MPs will be picked by the LLP yet Starmer has displayed his honesty by denying the local people to have their choice of MP because democracy is dead to Sir Saintly Starmer and I will not vote for it.
@Samuel 🤣🤣
@@user-kv4mg9uj7j but respectfully, that is irrelevant. The argument here is that Islington North should be the only ones with the right to choose their candidate
You're also highlighting problems which are created in Westminster......if/when Scotland becomes independent those problems would cease....some are already being solved, I recently suffered a stroke while visiting my son and his family in Scotland...the ambulance took eight minutes to get to me and before long I was in the stroke ward in Crosshouse Hospital being cared for by nurses and doctors who knew they were respected and appreciated by their government in Edinburgh....unlike their colleagues in England.
Absolutely. (Hope you are recovering.) Whenever I visit Scotland from ROI, I get the optimistic sense of a young country trying to forge its future (despite the economic gloom and hardship that they have always faced and recently aggravated by Brexit and global downturn etc). Westminster is a dysfunctional captured institution. Devolved nations/governments should be allowed to self govern on the big issues tat the local people face. Self determination is basic democracy. Alba Soar.
Good luck hope you are keeping well
I suffered a stroke in Scotland, care was great.
Scotland benefits because it takes more money from Westminster than it gives. Look at per capita spending for each region in the UK...
@@baratoplata7050 Takes???????
40:10 - Really bad, Mr. Fisher. Suggesting that people who can't work due to needing operations should be caring for the elderly. Now I understand what is wrong with politicians. They aren't "real world" people - even the best, most socially minded of them.
When someone gives up their career prospects, health and financial gain to care for their relatives, that's where you've got the best of care. The Labour Party must put family carers onnan equal footing with employed carers at least. Many family carers are foregoing their own future, careers, having children etc. to care for very needy people.
Pay family carers enough, so they can continue their lives when they are older!
My son, ( now a Whitehall Grade 6 civil service economist in what was the DiT ) joined Labour as a teenager, as I did, and he was out on the doorsteps for Momentum and Corbyn during the labour leadership race. He was so enthused by the explosion in membership - especially among the young and educated. They thought that maybe, just maybe, something might change, but the moment that Corbyn annd McDonald looked like serious contenders, the establishment - the traditional one and it's sleeper cells within Labour - went into overdrive, and it hasn't stopped since. The fact that progressive, egalitarian, and socially / environmentally responsible policies were clicking with so many was absolutely terrifying to the traditional and international rentier cabal. Ever since, that ideal has to be sat on and quashed at every turn - it's electoral kryptonite, its anti-semitic, and so forth, until it arrives at the point where the mere mention of Jeremy Corbyn is enough to bury the argument. Like teenagers contracting an insult to "Your mother".
No, that "progressive egalitarian" group you speak of forced Labour into a untenable Brexit position and split the Labour vote. It was the usual leftist self-destruction.
He smiles to your face and all the time he wants to take your place, the backstabber, Starmer.
Great tune, very apt.
Superb summary of slimy Starmer and our sundered society.
GOOD STUFF! Need people like this to step up to leadership...
Unfortunately, being a good decent person isn't enough. If you're not part of 'the club' they'll tear you down on whatever trumped up charges they can get their grubby little mitts on.
@@smon4164 that's what "stepping up" means...facing the headwinds...
@@jimbob-robob Might be stepping up, but is it really worth it? I would say it's equivalent to the Aztec fella who jumped in the volcano to appease the gods. I.E. although it seemed noble it was actually pointless.
Andrew Fisher is probably providing more worth doing what he's doing now, than stripping down to his birthday suit and jumping into the volcano.
@MiceNotBubbles so we'll keep suffering Starmers and Streetings cos "it's not worth it" for the potential leaders we would prefer who will possibly get "destroyed" by the system in the meantime? An odd outlook...nothing will ever change then. Unless you think bottom up revolution is the way. Still need leaders for that. All working class politics is a risk and a struggle to be involved in whether in a union or in Westminster. Still need leaders for all of that too, but the gullible, servile population of England are way off revolution anyway even in these desperate times so Parliament is the only game in town unfortunately, and that's where we need people like Andrew...at the foot of the volcano ready to call time on the sacrifice thing and move the people to a more amenable mountain...
Your volcano is a bit of a strained analogy strained TBF...👍🖖✊️
he was in the leadership. the leadership that ended with an 80 seat tory majority and brexit.
Amen to the simplicity of truth in politics. I just can't trust Starmer because I don't know what he stands for.
but it this way he will do a better job than these lying Tories partied away while people past away Boris using a Quarter of a million pounds tax payers cash get him off party gate
he's standing as the labour candidate for prime minister, mike. this stuff isn't hard.
@@sidevans1 spot on
He stands for less altruism.
I joined the Labour party because of Corbyn and left the day Starmer was voted leader. I knew what was going to happen. I wholehartedly support Corbyn, but he is too nice for politics, the others don't play by the rules. Same with Andrew, too nice. He is frustrated by Starmer, because he thinks Starmer has good intentions, that he is just playing safe, he doesn't. He is working for some very bad people who don't have the interest of the people of UK in their mind at all.
Jeremy was demonised. The corporate media plays a BIG ROLE
Do grown adults in a public position need to have a disciplinary procedure to let them understand that racism is wrong? I'm shocked thier expensive education didn't cover that....
Their expensive education TAUGHT them to be racist, didn't it?
I mean grown adults struggle with concepts of due process and basic fairness. I would argue you agree everyone deserves a fair and impartial hearing or nobody does, I suppose you believe nobody deserves due process? Hope nobody ever makes an accusation against you, without due process it gets very sticky.
I like Jeremy Corbyn. I think that he was badly treated by so many.. He had some very good ideas that were later stolen by the tories and his nationalised ideas for railway and others should go ahead. Compared with Johnson and his lies , Jeremy is a good man and hasn't been given a chance.
he had two chances, didnt win either election.
The PLP? The Hatchet job done on the ex leader? The drive for power at all cost? Not supporting the striking workers?
It's said starmer isn't even starmer. Someone stole his identity apparently many years back and when questioned on desert island disks he acted weird to it.
Pretty sure he's always been in it for himself. Didn't he put julian assange in prison as well? Before he stabbed Corbyn in the back I mean.
Edit: This comment was moved from another thread but the point still stands
That explains why he just pointed and screamed when I bumped into him on the street that time.
Starmer seems to play to the tune of the media oligarchs. Perhaps it's his strategy to use them as campaign managers on the cheap. Don't upset Murdoch; do what Blair did.
100%. When he speaks he's speaking to the media barons. He doesn't need the public to win he needs the media which is why he's happy to betray every promise he made to appease them.
Just another empty soul in a hollow suit.
@@paulies5407 why not look up Mcliable soulless, I think not.
Care to explain why Corbyn imposed a 3 line whip to support the Tories enact Article 50 ?
@@californiadreamin8423 ask him. Even though your question is not directly relevent, here is my opinion on your whataboutery. Imo Labour should have held fire on the brexit referendum until the Electoral Commission had checked for irregularities. After the exposed breaches, they should have demanded another vote. Hindsight is wonderful.
Starmer is showing a dictatorial side as opposed to being leader..
You don't say!! 😄😄
I want a leader not afraid to form a Labour government, and not lead Labour to its worse ever general election defeat. Corbyns leadership was non existent.
Starmer has basically declared the Labour Party to be fundamentally economically right-wing . This is a sad day indeed. We need a new Left party.
Why did you think Starmer a Knight of the Realm, got into Labour the working mans party. He was the viper in the nest.
Takes the piss tho having a right-wing Labour party, I understand the logic but the new party should be the centrist/right one, it just leaves such a bitter taste that the Labour party could be separated from the labour movement
Maybe you are right.. but without the change to a pr system that would be stupid as well as counterproductive.. but then again.. such motives would not be too unfamiliar..
Not Left vs Right, Working Class vs Elite
@@maherhamadouch2005 that's the problem the majority are neither of those.
For the first time in ages, Labour could actually afford to be more bold, and they’re saying We’ll keep things the same..🤷🏼♂️🤦🏻♂️
Corbyn 2017 : We're a broad church.
Starmer 2023 : F**k off lefties.
..I guess nice guys finish last.
Corbyn was a literal cultist though I would prefer not to have an ethnic cleansing denier or a russia supporter in government.
Corbyn should have purged the party when he had the chance
@@lonelyone69 You've got Russia supporters in government now. The Tories are funded by Kremlin linked Russians - Google it. As for whether or not Corbyn is a 'cultist' - I guess it depends on your interpretation, but cultism can work though. Look at the cult surrounding Farage (got what he wanted didn't he - Brexit). Look at Boris.. his fans would forgive him if he turned their mothers into slaves. Or Donald Trump. All cultists who won. ...And I'm not quite sure how you mean "Ethnic cleansing denier". Sounds like you've gone to some effort to reimagine history yourself there.
@@shoelessjoe428 what is this whataboutism I don't want either in power. Corbyn has literally denied genocides he went on fucking RT.
the Hard Left are far worse for the party on the whole, as no one likes them. The Hard left doesn't like the moderate left, of the the centre left, hell, the hard left doesn't even like the hard left. The idea that they are Inclusive is BS in reality.
What we need is proportional representation rather than fptp! Then we can vote for who and what we believe in whilst praying the extreme right wing didn't gain too many seats!✌
I don't think there is an extreme right anymore is there ? PR is likely to mostly benefit parties like Aspire, who represent the interests of a particular
demographic or religion
Did you even think about that drivel before typing it up? Ever heard of the nazis?
You need to CHANGE and EVOLVE the democratic culture of this country over time before instituting PR, that is a basic fact which you libs don’t understand.
'They have nowhere left to go' - mandleson
Dude must have had a crystal ball.
They went . Brexit...
They will go 3rd party
Andrew is the first English political worker I've heard point out the reality - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOVEREIGNTY. Not on a planet where the most dominant organism is reaching 9 billion and is in overshoot. We need more Andrew Fischers to take the helm... Or write the near-term future script. A bit disappointed that he'd still vote/support Starmer...
the most dominant organism is reaching 9 billion - you are ruling out stuff like ants worms bacteria - ants for example are estimated to have about 20 quadrillion world population - humans are kind of insiginificant
Plain speaking; nails hit on heads; truth talking. Good job, Joe.
Andrew Fisher is GREAT in this interview.
Automatic doors don’t even open for Starmer??🙄
Or boring Jezzer.
Smashing, refreshing, I really enjoyed that!
My own inclination is towards socialism ( small s ) & a mixed economy so I was horrified when Blair was chosen to lead the Labour Party & which he rebranded as New Labour. The man was a Tory born & bred. New Labour has drifted more & more to the Right since then. I voted remain & later against the Conservatives but could not bring myself to vote New Labour. Going forward I will vote tactically to remove the Conservatives. I watched a video of the Starmer speech & I too was suspicious of what seemed to me to be double speak. I so wish that I could believe that Starmer was merely trying to establish his Party into UK governance & that once in power there would be a resurgence of a socialist agenda - alas I cannot. Open Question: Is there a free photo ID for voting available anywhere in the UK currently? It was supposed to be available as of June 2022. Who will be available to vote if those free 'photo IDs are not available in May 2023?
John Smiths death was a massive tragedy. If anything that was the moment to reorient the UK towards something resembling 21st Century Socialism that didn't have the country massively brought down by its unions like in the 1970s and also wasn't as grossly unequal like it is now after the 1980s horrors. Corbyn was the other opportunity alas he didn't proceed with the reforms to democracy within the Party. I really think we need a new Party that is for workers in the UK but it won't exist without Proportional Representation. My best shot is to vote for the Greens or to hope that the Labour MP they put up in my constituency is someone I would feel comfortable voting for.
@@albal156 never gunna happen when mcarthyism and far right conservstive extremism was so prevalent in the uk. They love Hitler and fascism, not marx and socialism. And half the ppl in the uk need to realise they are being targeted and picked off by the other half.
@@albal156 I was around when the Unions were demonised in the 70s - I did not believe the propaganda then & I still do not. In my opinion Thatcher & Blair were both instrumental in undermining socialism & promoting privatisation (capitalism with a capital C). The result over the ensuing years is that the UK utilities, transport systems & essential services are owned/controlled by shareholders, many of which are based off shore & many of which are actually foreign governments. Thus UK Tax payers (PAYE) as opposed to tax avoiders pay to shore them up because there is only minimum maintenance & virtually no investment & UK consumers also pay over the odds. For instance, recently the last bit of EDF has been nationalised (& macron is no socialist but at least a pragmatist). So French consumers have seen a 4% energy price hike whereas the same company that operate in the UK has helped to engineer a price hike in the UK of 54%. This difference is echoed many times over with different off shore providers. Unions negotiate for workers rights & safety at work, for paid leave etc., & as a last resort provide legal representation. Unions mostly arbitrate between workers & management & provide a service to both - the aim always is to maintain a balance between improved productivity & safe working environment. In small work places the Union Rep will also be trained by professionals provided by management re: health & safety at work regulation with regular updates. Thus Unions & Management meet regularly even in small work places to co-operate for the common good - or at least this was the case during the 70s, 80s, & 90s. I was such a union rep, first as a teacher & later in other roles in local government. Now the UK sees 0 Hour contracts with no such safety net for employees. The EU was the UK working populations last protection against its' own governments determination to deprive them of a welfare state, to destroy the democratic process ( the UK has slipped two places in the international democracy rating in recent years ) & to repeal all regulations that relate to public safety. Sigh. The EU Has inspired other small nations around the world to co-operate to resist adverse influence from both the USA & Russia & the Peace Process has maintained peace in Europe, at least within its borders, for longer than at any time in recorded history. Sadly, external threats are now taken more seriously. Sigh. Cheers.
Tosh. Feeble thinking. Preferring Tory rule . Militant Tendency Momentum pushed god to the fore , and he blew it. Think of a number between 79 and 81, and tell me it was everyone else’s fault but your failed god. Lemons trying to lead lemmings , you haven’t a clue and you don’t even know it.
@@californiadreamin8423 Atheist here. No clue what you are rambling about it's true. But I left London in 78 after watching my world, such as it was, disintegrate. Conservatives are even trying for a resurgence of the Irish 'troubles' - may they drown in the effluent that they are pouring into our rivers, lakes & seas. Fortunately the UK armed forces are now so depleted & their equipment so out dated that the the C & U Party cannot start another war elsewhere. Unfortunately, for the same reason, C & U Party cannot send the promised troops & equipment to Ukraine. Empty promises - as always - & I have been taking notice since the sixties - born 1950 - & I am not senile yet!
It is frustrating to hear all the bullsh1t issues thrown at us, when we just want to be able to eat and be warm. No different to early humans, but we just get to starve and freeze, rather than hunt a mammoth, and get warm from cooking it.
Good interview here with Andrew Fisher however no mention of electoral reform. With PR the Labour party would appeal to the voters who want to vote for them because they will tackle some serious socially democratic policies such as fair pay for public sector staff. There is a progressive majority in this country whose votes in a PR system would elect Labour led coalition governments. I would argue that the reasons politicians today are afraid to be honest and courageous is because of the voting system whereby swing votes decide. It would have been good had this topic been included.
I don't think the peoples Labour party needs to accept Starmer. It's the people's party not the oligarchy's party. It's not a passive aggressive or a macho thing Starmer has pulled off, it's a con on the public and it is dishonourable. So dishonourable, I'm not quite sure how he wangled 'Sir'. For Starmer to persist in smearing Jeremy Corbyn, is an utter disgrace and I feel ashamed on behalf of Starmer because he obviously has no conscience himself. Wish Andrew Fisher was the MP for Holborn and St Pancras. He would certainly know the moral path to tread.
he wangled his sir by not prosecuting saville the padeophile at the request of the crown who stated saville was charles and dianes marraige guidance councilor, thousands of saville victims would and do disagree thats what stamer fears all that comming to the fore starmer is the !man to subjugate the working class in uk as global research proves that sexualy abused are from working class and as colonies are deserting the uk they need home grown targets
It’s a dangerous situation when you have the Tory’s on one side and an Impotent Labour Party on the other. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place. Nothing seems to represent me politically. I wish some of the energy shown by Union workers could translate to an option within parliament.
Start a new party, many people would join.
It sure sucks when the Tories have such a massive 80 sear majority. I still remember when Corbyn had Johnson by the political balls . Labour weren’t impotent then. I suppose it shows that Corbyn is not god, and he screwed up. It’s always the same, working people suffer.
Unfortunately, this is a result of Labour changing from a broad church to a narrow church. You are not alone, there are many of us who are left wing and no longer have a home in Labour. It is a tragedy, and only poor people will suffer. Labour is supposed to be our party, and yet, sadly, these days, it isn't.
Once upon a time, the energy of Union workers was translated into Parliamentary activity. It was called The Labour Party. Unfortunately, the party that has that name now, is not the same as that party at its inception. The party then, was one that fought against inequality and unearned privilege; Tony Benn (Viscount Stansgate) understood that. He once said "My contribution to the Labour party is that I know the British establishment inside out and what they're up to". The current leadership also know what the establishment is up to, but couldn't really give a Donald Duck when there are privileges to be awarded to the likes of 'Sir' Kier Starmer.
@@CharlieMac53 Anthony Wedgewood Benn was as much use as Corbyn for working people, lots of hot air, something you display here in abundance.
If you take tabloid newspapers like The Sun, The Mai, The Express ,The Telegraphy you will always have Tories in power, because media and credulity go together. That is why we have Brexit, too few people take politics seriously enough to cast an informed vote. It is partly the result of our Education System. We specialise too early, Secondary Education is to teach citizens not metier.
Starmer needs to understand that you can’t be a dictator AND uncharismatic.
Starmer is the labour 'Leader' you need to understand the meaning of the word 'Dictator'
@@gilldanier4129 you can be a leader and a dictator 🤦
@@gilldanier4129 i think you need to understand as well
Thank you great points brought up. X member Labour party
Glad that PoliticsJOE appears to not be simping for Stamer any more!
Really good interview
I'm really glad this channel exists, great content.
Clive Lewis, Zarah Sultana, Laura Pidcock. All better calibre of politicians.
@DoubtingThomas Agreed! Labour currently are a Stalinist RW horror show. Not my party anymore.
loooool pidcock, lost not one but two safe seats in her short career.
Clive "get on your knees bitch" Lewis.
Keir Starmer should either approve Jeremy Corbyn as the Labour Party candidate for the next general election or Kier Starmer himself should be the Labour Party candidate for Islington North.
Let the people in Islington North decide if they the electorate want Keir Starmer and Blairite New Labour or Classic Labour under Jeremy Corbyn as an independent candidate at the next general election.
Very much appreciate this imterview with an honest man.
😂
Excellent conversation. Thank you.
One of the best insights in the absolute state of the UK, it’s inept cowardly politicians in the Tories/Labour front benches.
"I've been a labour party member for 26 years" my man you look 26 years old.
I agree, honesty needs to be Starmer's watchword, not telling people what he thinks they want to hear. We've had 1w years and more of that, and look how few people vote. Non-voters all say, " oh they're all the same", and not vote.
Excellent interview, well done Politics Joe for the inclusivity shown to us gingers.
Ginger nut.
Andrew is absolutely on point with his analysis of the political landscape. UK politics is more or less a pageant show of the elite. The ordinary people are paying to wetness this catastrophe.
All I want is Mick Lynch in number 10
Thank you.
For me Jeremy changed politics narrative. Forever the box is open now
good to hear yoda's take
Thank you for this video
I'm another Labour voter not voting for the Labour party whilst Starmer and his gang are there
Same here
People like you will leave the door open for another Tory win. This is what the Tories want you to do. Stay at home because of some small fault or flaw. Vote Tory or vote Labour, but don't stay at home.
@@liz9147 and who said anything about staying at home? Just because we won't vote Labour while it's under the grip of this Right Wing dictator called keir Starmer why you assuming we would stay at home and not vote at all?
I was backstabbed because I was old Labour or should I say real Labour, they want back in Scotland!! Pigs fly don't they!! Why the SNP keep winning there not Tories !!!
@liz9147 starmer certainly wanted a tory government over a socialist labour one!! f@#k labour now!! all the mugs that voted tory last time are suffering and they deserve it too! People are too stupid, brexit was so important 🙄
I'm not sure whether others find it easy to watch extended interviews on CZcams - but would love it if these could also be released as a podcast for people who only have time to listen on the go!
Sir, you can listen on the go the same way. Use your phone, access the youtube, and the channel or video, play it, turn the screen off, then drive and listen, walk and listen, run and listen have it your way. These things can't be done in every format to please everyone, you my friend, can adapt to it and have it your way. It's already a podcast just wrapped into a video. Hope that helps.
Odd request, I listen to Yootoob videos mostly AS a proxy podcast on my mobile while I work. You can still listen without watching. Not sure why you don't think you can't or what the disadvantages over a podcast is.
@Edward Theodore why turn the screen off when it's easier to rewind/fast forward if you want by tapping the video screen...
@@edwardtheodore1427 Thanks for the reply. Though as I don't pay for youtube premium when I turn off the screen then CZcams turns off (and without the screen off then the video is interrupted if touched when walking/running etc)
@@jimbob-robob Thanks for the reply. Though it doesn't work as a podcast proxy for me as I don't pay for youtube premium- when means when I turn off the screen then CZcams also turns off (and without the off-screen play function then the video is interrupted if touched when walking/running etc)
Corbyn should set up a new party, its not as if it wouldn't get the votes
Please god, do this. For a party that was founded by the Unions not supporting the strikes is unacceptable. They're more a centrist party than a left wing party. Bloody disgrace.
I'd definitely vote
He should just join the Green party, there is already a national party structure there. And with the Corbyn factor, they would gain so many new members and finance. He won't do it though, Labour have stockholm syndromed him.
Not enough young/progressive voters in this shithole country for that.
@@eversonthomas8922 join with Caroline Lucas ffs!!
Remember the attempt to overturn May, as long as Corbyn wasn't in charge.
Talks a lot of sense does Andrew Fisher. Glad I listened in to him.
IT IS TYPICAL STARMER AUTHORITARIAN POLITICS.
Anyone who hates Tories is my kind of tovarisch.
"Andrew wrote the 2019 manifesto." And how did that go?
I have nothing personal against Jeremy but he did lose by an avalanche.
The party needs to move on and stop squabbling with itself.
You need to unite and fight the common enemy, not each other.
No, LAB lost by a small number of votes in a large number of seats. It was calculated as being less than 3000 votes nationally. This rewriting of facts is so post C19
@@adriftinaboat3452 same here. Just seen the kier promising unending suppert to Zelensky. Final straw.
Who said Momentum and Corbyn couldn't lead the working class out of a paper bag ?
The WEF would like Starmer to shape the Labour party the same as The democratic party in America
They're already there.
@@fredfredrickson5436 no, they aren't
The Women's Equestrian Federation has nothing to do with this.
Anyone else seriously bored of all WEFfers that turn up on every comment board but add absolutely nothing to any debate other than their own deluded pompousness?
They are all neoliberal and are WEF monkeys left and right.
Excellent interview and insights.
This is one of the best overviews of British politics.
Thank you 🤍 we need more content like this.
Superb vlog, great interview - Thanks.
Refreshing to see Andrew Fisher a young man with such talent. We live in a one party state where BOTH parties are now the same.
We desperately need a NEW party for real change.
Starmer, heze an autocratic autobot
Wow, Mick Hucknall has become young once again and he's back to supporting Labour! He just changed his name to Andrew Fisher.
good one, well done, great input.
@@yetidodger6650 once I saw that face, something got me started 😂😂
The problem with today's party politics is that it's becoming the choice of gonorrhoea or syphilis. Both are equally painful ( i'm led to believe !) but could be treated with medical intervention or abstinence in the first place.
Andrew, please get together with Jeremy and take Starmer banning him from standing as the catalyst to start a new Progressive Socialist Party, you can either be a lone, independent in Islington North or you can be part of something and build on 2017. People believed in all that stuff and time has bourn out that things like free broadband and the 4 day week are now very acceptable and successful things. The country still needs and is crying out for radical change.
Labour party is split and Kier starmer appears not to give a care that may affect his chances in the long run
He doesn’t care as at worst he will have a coalition with the Tories and will still be in power and as his further right than Sunak he will be more than happy do eradicate the socialist from the Labour Party.
Starmer now sees himself in a position where he can’t lose.
Starmer is a full blown Blairite, a Red Tory!!
He,s a disaster! Labour need Angela Rayner,dump wishy Starmer!
As this crisis drags on more real labour voters will turn against labour if kier starmer won't budge and he'll loose the election karma will bite him in the ass and then he'll realise that by blocking all labour left not only will he be left with no majority but no voters either Jeremy corbyne should get his own party together he would have a bigger majority
So true the labour party as it is is a watered down Tory party with similar policy's and this is blatently obvious now this isn't about labour voters it's about Tory voters
it's as united as i've known it in the last 10 years.
Andrew sums it up perfectly at 5.00. Politicians need to stand up for what they believe in and allow people to judge them and decide whether or not to vote for them on that basis. The notion of winning elections at all costs and saying anything to get that cross on the ballot paper is the cancer at the heart of pretty well all politics today. It's why trust in politicians is at an all-time low. We know we can't believe anything they say. The right seems to understand this a lot better than the left these days, sadly. That's one of the reasons the likes of Trump, Bolsonaros et al are successful. Even people who don't like them will concede that they don't mince their words and that you know where you stand with them.
Utterly disgusting behaviour... In line with a Dictatorship!
Little bit hyperbolic, wouldn't you say?
Is that the 80 seat electoral dictatorship we’ve had since 2019 ? Now how did that occur ?
If Corbyn had done half of what Starmer did but to the right-wing of the party, the media would have been calling it "Stalinist purges!" You just know how they would have spun it had it been the left that was muscling the right out of the way, but when it's posh-speaking Sir Kier in his expensive suit who's doing it, we get not a peep from corporate media... We should maybe try to get a new left-wing party started.
@@californiadreamin8423 Brexit & infighting caused by the Right within mostly.
@@bwright227 do me a favour, have a look at what the word means, then read the statement Starmer gave & then come back.
If Starmer now represents the Establishment it’s the people against the establishment again 😳
Genuinely think that manifesto was the last time the left had something interesting to say.
Jeremy can start a party.
Clause 4 !!!
@@weirdlytrue I'm in!
@@matthewsmith22 me 2!
@@uwanttono4012 Go for it. I just love it. My Hedge Fund has already made me a fortune, and I’ll have the shirts of your backs while you’re trying to find the soup kitchen. Schmucks.
@@californiadreamin8423 Haha, dream on you silly *ugger!
Starmer is LITE TORY
They explain his weakness in a series of books extending to four volumes
well said 👏👏
If Labour wins, people will soon forget how awful the Tories were and Labour will be out again.