in the end Henry understimated both his daughters and specially Elizabeth, although his son Edward did not live to rule and Mary became a tyrant, its Elizabeth who ruled for 45 years in time of peace called the golden age
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839 I think that's very unfair to call Mary a tyrant just for being religiously intolerant. She was no more intolerant than her grandparents, who took part in the reconquista of spain which was all done in the name of religion, against another religion that claimed to also be the true religion. That was also tyrannical and bloody yet they are celebrated while she is not. Elizabeth wasn't exactly friendly towards Catholic's either but since protestant's were the majority she is revered.
Lucía Martin not saying that’s not true but if you’re one of the hundreds of innocent people she burned to death for not being catholic I don’t think that matters too much.
@@leahhart3585 Not more so and possibly less than her father or her brother (but more than Elizabeth), and almost not at all compared to the Catholic or Protestant factions in France and Germany where religious wars were almost genocidal.
Frankly Chapuys is a chad. Also one of the few who in real life told Henry how it was. They had a fit over that Mary could be queen very much in her own right, and maybe Henry was not going to have sons and was being a twat and needed to chill. Loved that. Also Chapuys walked away from that argument without suffering at thing. Only G at court.
Henry executing the Spanish ambassador would be a stupid and dangerous thing for him to do. Chapuys would have to really offend Henry for that to happen. I mean really. He also answered to the Emperor, not the King so he could say what he liked.
I think that Mary was very lucky that she had at least one person to whom she could tell everything, who could comfort and listen to her, and for whom her happiness really meant a lot. Although Maria had a miserable life, it is a real miracle when you have such a person in your life.
@Clodaghbob your absolutely correct but here's another fun fact Eustace had a son who died and was a very rich man by the time he died. I bring up the son because back then priests still had normal sexual relationships woth women even special pope blessed ones. . Somewhere down the line rhe church forgot priests have needs that God doesn't fulfill. But also let's go back to Eustace and Mary. The age things actually waa quite common at that time. If you were royal and 12 they formally opened up marriage negotiations for the future. Henry's sister married a king so old he literally died not even a month while she was queen and she came back and married Charles Brandon. Strange hookups happen all the time in royals too.lol
@@IndependentConversations A pope cannot legitimately bless those relationships. Priests don’t just take a vow of celibacy (no marrying), they also take a vow of chastity (no sex). A pope cannot bless the breaking of a vow to God. Having sex is not a ‘need’, it’s a ‘desire’. Food, water, shelter, sleep, etc., are needs. You _can_ survive without sex. It may not be easy (it’s called picking up your cross and following Jesus) but that’s what a priest vows to do in the belief that God does ultimately fulfil all needs. However, in the past, many men who weren’t cut out for the chastity aspect were persuaded to join the priesthood, for numerous reasons including status, etc. Instead of turning a blind eye to the wholesale vow breaking and the exploitation of the women involved (who would never have the emotional and _financial_ security of marriage), it would have been far better and healthier if the Catholic Church had reverted to the original way of having married priests, as the Orthodox Christian churches still do. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church didn’t want her priests leaving their worldly possessions to assorted wives and children. In the end, it all boils down to money, doesn’t it! 🤪
Strangely, in the show the only mention of Mary's concern for her beloved former governess (not counting this deleted scene) is when Cromwell delivers a letter to Henry asking to spare Salisbury's life. We do not see Mary's reaction in person, even though the episode makes a point of highlighting Salisbury's agony and the injustice of her execution. The next episode, Mary is seen privately complaining that the king "beheads one heretic to marry another" (referring to Anne Boleyn and Henry's selection of Anne of Cleves as his new wife), which seems out of place since at this point you'd expect Mary to feel angry at her dad for executing a woman who was like a "second mother" according to Chapuys. The writers didn't think this through.
Mary was angry at her father over many things but was not allowed to show it. Later as queen, she made a few sarcastic remarks about her father which show how she really felt. She had cared about Bishop Fisher too and had sent him warm clothing and bedding. Also Mr Aske, whom she looked up to but was unable to do anything to help.
@@gidzmobug2323 I'm not criticizing Mary, but the writers. I'm disappointed they developed a sentimentalist character arc with Mary in season 4 when she's already in her mid-20s, instead of seasons 2 and 3 where Mary had much more cause for grief, including by the execution of her surrogate mother Margaret Pole. They should at the very least have kept this scene. If it matters, after watching the show I wrote a song about Mary: federalagent.bandcamp.com/track/queen-of-the-people :)
True, completely agree. Considering the writers highlighted her grief for her mother pretty well, and the sorrow of all the catholics in England being persecuted like this. And then Salisbury goes. I think in real life this was one of the very big punches Mary had to take from her father. Cut off from her mother, forced to denounce her and herself and her faith, not being married off, neglected, threatened with death, many supporters killed, and then her second mother butchered like she was. God. How bad her survivors guilt must have been. Hence her farewell scene with Chapuys she snaps and said she wished she were a boy, none of this would have ever happened to me was a good scene to write. They should have shown the impact of Salisbury on Mary better
GREAT SERIES BUT WITH THIS NAME, IT SHOULD GO ON TO INCLUDE Edward, Lady Jane Gray, Mary and Elizabeth I. This should be renamed The Six Wives of Henry VIII...
Mary and Elizabeth suffered so much because of Henry's ambition of having a son
in the end Henry understimated both his daughters and specially Elizabeth, although his son Edward did not live to rule and Mary became a tyrant, its Elizabeth who ruled for 45 years in time of peace called the golden age
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839 I think that's very unfair to call Mary a tyrant just for being religiously intolerant. She was no more intolerant than her grandparents, who took part in the reconquista of spain which was all done in the name of religion, against another religion that claimed to also be the true religion. That was also tyrannical and bloody yet they are celebrated while she is not. Elizabeth wasn't exactly friendly towards Catholic's either but since protestant's were the majority she is revered.
Eustace Chapyus, Mary Tudor’s true father.
mary is my favourite in the tudors
She very sympathetic in the show but in real life she was a horrible mass murderer.
Leah Hart because how she was treated in her childhood.
Lucía Martin not saying that’s not true but if you’re one of the hundreds of innocent people she burned to death for not being catholic I don’t think that matters too much.
@@leahhart3585 Not more so and possibly less than her father or her brother (but more than Elizabeth), and almost not at all compared to the Catholic or Protestant factions in France and Germany where religious wars were almost genocidal.
alesi257 I’m not saying she was that different than others but she’s known as Bloody Mary for a reason.
Chapuys is the most perfect , handsome , beautiful male I have ever seeen.I would love to paint his picture if only I had the skill.
He quickly became one of my favorites as well, at that vile court, it was remarkable to see a man of such virtue, loyalty and intellect.
@@opalo4113 agreed 😍😍😍
Mary is so pretty in this scene
he is so good to her
Frankly Chapuys is a chad. Also one of the few who in real life told Henry how it was. They had a fit over that Mary could be queen very much in her own right, and maybe Henry was not going to have sons and was being a twat and needed to chill. Loved that. Also Chapuys walked away from that argument without suffering at thing. Only G at court.
Henry executing the Spanish ambassador would be a stupid and dangerous thing for him to do. Chapuys would have to really offend Henry for that to happen. I mean really. He also answered to the Emperor, not the King so he could say what he liked.
Mary: I suppose it annoys him...* Smiles *
I am the only one who had the biggest crush on Chapuis in the show ?
@@michaelrosen6969 🤣 glad to see I'm not alone !
I think that Mary was very lucky that she had at least one person to whom she could tell everything, who could comfort and listen to her, and for whom her happiness really meant a lot. Although Maria had a miserable life, it is a real miracle when you have such a person in your life.
@@michaelrosen6969 That would have been problematic. Eustace Chapuys was ordained in 1517. He couldn’t marry anyone.
@Clodaghbob your absolutely correct but here's another fun fact Eustace had a son who died and was a very rich man by the time he died. I bring up the son because back then priests still had normal sexual relationships woth women even special pope blessed ones.
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Somewhere down the line rhe church forgot priests have needs that God doesn't fulfill.
But also let's go back to Eustace and Mary. The age things actually waa quite common at that time. If you were royal and 12 they formally opened up marriage negotiations for the future. Henry's sister married a king so old he literally died not even a month while she was queen and she came back and married Charles Brandon. Strange hookups happen all the time in royals too.lol
@@IndependentConversations A pope cannot legitimately bless those relationships. Priests don’t just take a vow of celibacy (no marrying), they also take a vow of chastity (no sex). A pope cannot bless the breaking of a vow to God. Having sex is not a ‘need’, it’s a ‘desire’. Food, water, shelter, sleep, etc., are needs. You _can_ survive without sex. It may not be easy (it’s called picking up your cross and following Jesus) but that’s what a priest vows to do in the belief that God does ultimately fulfil all needs.
However, in the past, many men who weren’t cut out for the chastity aspect were persuaded to join the priesthood, for numerous reasons including status, etc. Instead of turning a blind eye to the wholesale vow breaking and the exploitation of the women involved (who would never have the emotional and _financial_ security of marriage), it would have been far better and healthier if the Catholic Church had reverted to the original way of having married priests, as the Orthodox Christian churches still do. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church didn’t want her priests leaving their worldly possessions to assorted wives and children. In the end, it all boils down to money, doesn’t it! 🤪
I adore them.
I guess he thought Mary had lost touch of herself after her mothers death
Strangely, in the show the only mention of Mary's concern for her beloved former governess (not counting this deleted scene) is when Cromwell delivers a letter to Henry asking to spare Salisbury's life. We do not see Mary's reaction in person, even though the episode makes a point of highlighting Salisbury's agony and the injustice of her execution. The next episode, Mary is seen privately complaining that the king "beheads one heretic to marry another" (referring to Anne Boleyn and Henry's selection of Anne of Cleves as his new wife), which seems out of place since at this point you'd expect Mary to feel angry at her dad for executing a woman who was like a "second mother" according to Chapuys. The writers didn't think this through.
Mary was angry at her father over many things but was not allowed to show it. Later as queen, she made a few sarcastic remarks about her father which show how she really felt. She had cared about Bishop Fisher too and had sent him warm clothing and bedding. Also Mr Aske, whom she looked up to but was unable to do anything to help.
How much Mary could actually do is debated. She could petition the King, but he would make up his own mind.
@@gidzmobug2323 I'm not criticizing Mary, but the writers. I'm disappointed they developed a sentimentalist character arc with Mary in season 4 when she's already in her mid-20s, instead of seasons 2 and 3 where Mary had much more cause for grief, including by the execution of her surrogate mother Margaret Pole. They should at the very least have kept this scene.
If it matters, after watching the show I wrote a song about Mary: federalagent.bandcamp.com/track/queen-of-the-people :)
@@alesi257 true. They should have shown Mary grieving in private
True, completely agree. Considering the writers highlighted her grief for her mother pretty well, and the sorrow of all the catholics in England being persecuted like this. And then Salisbury goes. I think in real life this was one of the very big punches Mary had to take from her father. Cut off from her mother, forced to denounce her and herself and her faith, not being married off, neglected, threatened with death, many supporters killed, and then her second mother butchered like she was. God. How bad her survivors guilt must have been. Hence her farewell scene with Chapuys she snaps and said she wished she were a boy, none of this would have ever happened to me was a good scene to write. They should have shown the impact of Salisbury on Mary better
Chapuys was a chad
They def should have left that scene in there
Great man.
Yes 😍
GREAT SERIES BUT WITH THIS NAME, IT SHOULD GO ON TO INCLUDE Edward, Lady Jane Gray, Mary and Elizabeth I. This should be renamed The Six Wives of Henry VIII...
Thank you 😊
Mary came to be known as Bloody Mary as in her attempt to restore the Catholic Church in England many suffered at her hands.
put subtitles in Spanish and if you can make a video Mary tudor and Henry viii
Podes subir uno con Mary y henry
Bloody Mary origin story
They make the characters look good in this. Mary and Henry were ugly
@@KG-ds2fj read history....history.described them both very well
@@crystalclimenhage7159 yeah sure,but Henry looked good in his youth,even history says that
@@KG-ds2fj im referring to the old henry
@@crystalclimenhage7159 ok
@@crystalclimenhage7159 actually that descriptions stem from Anglican's hatred for Mary. Look at her earlier portraits, girl was pretty