A Rust Veteran's Guide on Recoil Control & Survivability
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0:00 Overview
7:29 Gun Recoils
17:21 High Skill Ceiling (Knowledge & Positioning)
33:52 How You Can Improve
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I love the taking a piss in the morning phrase lmao "goes everywhere and your mom gets mad at you"
Awesome vid mate.
You should do this in game, explain as your fighting or after the fight.
Even commentate over other pros fights and explain there moves and tactics.
Legend
Fantastic video hjune!! Appreciate you taking the time to post this!
Video is a bit scattered but I think this is super constructive discussion - in particular because it helps people understand that there really are skill factors in modern Rust, versus everything being just RNG.
It is still RNG for the most part.
It's all game sence stuff doesnt have much skill stuff in it anymore, high skill ceilings do, not mean use cover. Your aim could be but even if our aim is on point it's up to the gods to decide if u get hit markers and where they hit.
@@roze_hd5070 yes and no. June points out some important skill stuff like aiming for center mass instead of the head when trying to hit distant targets with high aimcone weapons, leading your target more with pistol bullet weapons due to lower velocity, etc. A lot of people just aim for the head because headshots are so effective in Rust, and then blame aimcone/RNG when things go wrong.
Aiming for center mass is not a skill thing though its something you do to compensate for the aim cone, that is game knowledge(knowing the bullets will not hit where u aim and adjusting where you aim to have a better chance to hit ur target) as well as knowing the velocity. A skill ceiling is the level of play that's possible with training and mastery. Which would be raw aim, recoil control. To put it in a very basic way, game sense is mostly knowledge based, and a skill ceiling would be mostly mechanical in fps games, by removing a difficult spray pattern and compensating by increasing aim cone they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. All that being said im not saying raw aim is not a skill or something that can not be improved on, the reason why some people feel the game has gotten worse is because they were well beyond what the system can give them positive reinforcement wise, like if I spray at 97-98% accuracy, now i can spray at 100% but it is effectively 80%, i will never get to 85% actual hits on target so even though I know i am able to it feels clunky and frustrating. On the other hand lets say my friend spray on a gun was 70%, my friend now has a larger target (center mass) and by making the target larger and making the recoil alot less difficult he now sprays at effectively 80%, same as I do. Which is not a bad thing for him at the time, but if he gets up around 6k hours he may feel like he has reached his skill ceiling, with nothing to improve on the game feels worse to play overall. So in this world neither player is happy. Now if my friend never hits 6k hours and never hits the ceiling he is what in the industry we call a causal, which is fine however If you have someone that plays basket ball on the weekends and they can compete with lebron james that would make for some very homogenized basketball games, we would not have a NBA NFL NHL ect. I love hjune this is nothing to do with him, I think he does a great job, but lets call it what it is for once. "Bitching" about wanting the old recoil back is not what players really want, imo what they want is, again very basic, If i shoot his head i hit his head, I hit that impossible triple from 175m. Its the same reason shroud doesnt play cod for more than a few days, because games like that make you a worse player by giving everyone training wheels and making for a homogenized experience. I feel like this is pretty fair, I hope im not coming off rude I appreciated what u had to say aswell always great to hear what other people think.@@HunterZBNS
@@roze_hd5070 I ain't reading all that but am happy or sad for you.
I solved my issue with spraying while standing and crouching by changing my sensitivity as a keybind while crouching, so the difference between the recoil wasn't as big and made it much easier to continue spraying while going from crouching to standing and vice versa. Here's the keybind I made for anyone interested
bind leftcontrol +duck;+meta.if_true "input.ads_sensitivity 0.60";+meta.if_false "input.ads_sensitivity 0.75"
so 0.75 is the standing aiming sens and 0.6 is the crouching sens.
this is objectively terrible, changing your sens suddenly by standing will cause you to miss your flicks because the muscle memory is different
Amazing video. I do agree with other comments that the video can be a bit all over the place, but I would say that this is 100% not a beginner’s guide, instead more like bridging the gap between beginner’s and advanced players. This video gives tons of insight and useful information though, and I feel like I learned quite a bit, thanks a lot hJune. ❤
coach hJune is amazing, thanks for the great info
i miss when there was no aimcone but the guns had crazy strong left/right kick. but still no aimcone, at least when my gun went nuts and move off target i knew it was happening and which way to move my mouse. Now my gun stays on target perfectly but i still miss its so fucked
i would have that anyday over this bullshit aimcone. have the old aimcone and make recoil go vertical with random left-right sways (like pubg for example) would be a million times better. It would be something like the longer the spray, the higher the sway, not the wider the aimcone, like we have now. I still miss old recoil, and yes, i'm going to be bitter about it till the day they put the nail in my coffin, but this could be a compromise that most players would agree with, it's like meeting somewhere in the middle. I don't know at this point anything over today's recoil seems like a good idea...
super useful video as an intermediate player.
One question - My biggest downfall is that pretty often I get shot before I even see a player on screen. This could obviously be because of my gameplay but I also wondered howmuch difference monitor size makes? I'm playing on a 15" gaming laptop
Ty good video. Keep it up
Great job I someday love to game again and I watch rust and learn bit from u so far on your break downs of things u should maybe do a armour for beginners could make a quick guide for few other things in game for the beginners to focus on also be a couple videos keep up good work and have a wonderful day.
This is a goated video lol, i can triple headshot at 135m 2/5x but still need hella improvements n this vid will prolly help 1min in rn lol
Hjune, Great vid! Very informative, I wondered, what is your dpi please?, I noticed you look like a wrist player like myself
I really “love” how from mastering something like recoil, to be good at the game, we went to “you need better pc” and “spray and pray game play” just love it
Burst mode thompson long distance is OP...when i 1v1ed a 2-3k hr pvper while i was 100hrs and I was able to win 65% against him (but when i told him to use burst, he destroyed me up lol)
Thanks June!
Thank you for the peepoTalk 😁
Hey man, what DPI settings do you use?
yes finally love you❤❤
Idk how but I'm very accurate with thompson people hate thomp but I love it great vid june
cool vid, it helped me learn a lot, even though i run at 30 fps i’m decent at aiming
mane i feel you, once you're able to upgrade your fps u might not be as good for the 1st day or so but after that you will notice you're way better than before trust
I watched this video and lost everything, and I feel like I'm really good now. Thanks Hjune!
Lear a couple of new things, now need a lot practice and time to be good with that 😅
What’s the best affordable intel cpu for rust? I have a sort of shitty cpu and I’m not tryna get a new cpu and motherboard just for rust
The best video yet
Love your content, may I ask your mouse dpi?
Seeing your handcam , Its basically how i move my mouse. When i was bed bound , When my chair broke, i would Wear tight pants , Sweatpants ECT. And play with the mouse on my Thigh , Even back in old Recoil i would spray using my Fingers only, Not bothering to move my Hand . people swear to god im scripting When my ak spray is novice at best.
You should make a video about tips for building in rust too
How are you shooting the sar and. Python without clicking each shot?
also whats the f1's to spray semi autos without clicking?
can you make a video about ingame lagging and how to avoid lags in game
@hjuneII what mousepad are you using?
crazy how he switches from target to target. thats really impressive
you must have never seen a high elo CS player before
@@meyr1992 you mustn't have been around during old recoil. Hjune would clap any pro c's player on this game.
what is command to lower down your gun and further scope?
Best deal for gear right now is the 7800x3d bundle from microcenter. 499.99 for a 7800x3d, mobo, and ram. Easy swap for current rigs
You think $499 is easy swap?? It’s friggin close to 500.. not everyone has that kind of cash bro
@@DeeManRodgers good bang for your buck
@@DeeManRodgers I mean in terms of physically swapping out the parts... And if you live in the US 499.99 isn't a whole lot
@@whatistruth_1ughh yeah it is lol
@@DeeManRodgersI just dropped $400 on weed to play rust. No, it’s not. How many hours do you have? Don’t want to hear it.
This is what I heard you working on stream heard typing alot lol
honestly, me and everyone I usually play with are not that good and we just send it with stuff and most people are really chill if you just full send when you think your gonna lose
Thanks for the wonderful educational video
How u make it zoomed in more. I don’t understand what he said
6:40 why don't people just use the default crosshair toggle on the game settings? i dont get why people use 3rd party ones...is it just for bows?
i have over 6k almost 7k hours and i have several thousand hours in other first person shooters and i can attest that even if you do everything hjune said in this video, 90% of the time if the other team is deeper or closer to their base, then you lose
what material mouse pad do you have? my cloth one is dirty no matter how much i clean it.
he has a skypad 3.0 its a glass mousepad
I played Rust for almost 6 years, but when new recoil was added i started to play really reraly and now im not even updating it. I cannot use to play now it doesnt give that satisfaction as 3 years ago, but atmopheres still that funny and good
they gave up their niche after that streamer event and went the "accessibility" route for more customers that never showed up, should revert all this new shit. easier loot, easier guns, more rules, lost the magic.
@chaosmii yeah, there is no that tasty piece that was in 2020. It was such a fun year with this updates, even the time when they added excavator was fun, and gave a lot of new possibilities
@@chaosmii im pretty sure they changed the recoil mainly because of console rust, old recoil would be literally impossible without some sort of assistance
Is that a hard mouse pad you're using now?
Hjune just tell the devs to bring back recoil. Its not like they get new players bc of the recoil, Rust used to be a game that you got because you wanted the hardest recoil in all games
So true
does crouching affect aimcone? or does standing up only make the recoil stronger?
it does affect aimcone
i like thos hjune skins, but how can i get them?
what mousematt is that?
What is a good crosshair for rust in steam? I have a msi monitor with crosshairs, but they are awkwardly huge.
Crosshair v2
I like crosshair x
Whats wrong with using the rust crosshair in the settings?
i think alot of people use the mp5 burst but you only get to use it for so long before your like alright can we go to base i needa repair my mp5 lmao the dura is TERRIBLE
What mode or server is this? I'd like to practice this since I'm new to mouse and key
rustoria training grounds
Is that a hard mousepad?
see im rlly good at m2 so i love lr
What's your DPI
anyone know hjunes dpi?
Hi Hjune love ur new Twitch Drops so I watched ur stream for about 10 hours but I just didnt get it , is there anything you can do?
As someone who isn’t a pro, the issue I see when I get on aim train is that everything just seems so inconsistent. That makes it hard to care.
That will most likely be an issue with your method
hmmmm i heard that 3D v cache gives giga fps. I have a 7800x3D 4070 and 32gb ram running 6000mhz and im not even close to 150fps stable is that normal or no? I play on lowest grapics.
Definetly not. There is something wrong. If I were you I would probably check if X.M.P. profiles for your ram are on in BIOS, reinstall windows, drivers and the game itself.
i wish they come back wih old recoil
I have not played since they updated the recoil, all my skins sold. pretty sad that they felt they needed to lower the skill ceiling by so much.
I tried to get back into it recently but the gunplay just sucks. Hitting the old spray patterns felt so nice, I just wanna go back to the old system
ive already maximized my potential but the problem is i run 50 fps with constant fps drops and crashes so the game is kina annoying for me :/
for the sensitvity part find ur perfect sens old recoil it didnt matter high or low its about how good ur aim is thats what made ur spray good not the sens u played
#BringBackTheOldRecoil
How to play off official for my friends
how does everyone else’s Ak so bouncy it’s stiff for me
so if i have a rtx 3070, would i be better off getting a i5 13600k or r7 5800X3D
5800x3d
just wait for next years 9800x3d tbh
Depends on yoir cpu socket
@@EXP256 yeah i would have to get a new motherboard if i got the i5 13600k, but would it perform better
@@mistakessit would probably not. If you don't need a new motherboard for the x3d you already won halfway.
The X3D is such a game changer. I went from sub 40 fps around big bases on big maps(below 20 at times during raids/fights) to 90-140(never below 70) when upgrading from a 9600K to a 7800X3D. With the rest of the specs being the same, except for the DDR5s being slightly faster than my old DDR4s. 6600 XT graphics card, 32 GB ram and a PCI-E gen 3 NVMe.
How much did you spend on your setup
@@sk6te I paid roughly $800/€745 for Mobo, CPU, RAM and CPU cooler.
what mouse pad is that?
skypad
"Not being afraid to lose, is way more important than wanting to win"
-hJune 2024
One more important thing is to learn how to loot quickly, by just dragging things into your inventory super fast.
Rookie stuff
Question. In the past I cheated and got banned on rust. Is there anyway that I can get ungame banned on rust by steam? I’m never going to cheat again as it’s not right
Get a new account and buy it again
@@Mr__Chicken and what about my ip being banned on other servers?
I think Enardo really has to watch this video😶
This is amazing I'm going to watch this 300 times until I am a certified hjune classic
HJune please I know we are potentially in a minority but i know that its still thousands of people who would like to see support for old recoil for server owners.
New recoil is the reason I stopped playing. Just pull down to win now
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4 minutes in, does this video stop being about adding attachments and practicing ?
Gets to recommending hardware-comment retracted
w skypad user
6 minutes in until i realized this is opinion based
bro it looks like straight aimbot when your switching between targets fast
Rust used to be such a great game, you could have 5k hours and still have room to improve. When they did the COD recoil update it removed all the fun for me. I will never understand why alot of the game devs over the last few years think that lowering the skill ceiling in there games is the way to make there games more popular. Rust in particular is not a game for someone who works 40 hours a week, Idk why they target casual players.
I personally believe that the recoil
update only happened because they couldn’t find a fix for scripting so they just removed recoil to balance the field
Could very well be, never thought about that, but at the end of the day I would think the scripters would just start using aim lock and stuff to get the edge, I would prefer to fight scripter than someone hard hacking with walls aim lock and scripting. They were not cheating because the recoil was hard they cheat because they don't have the mental to loose, or they work have a family and just dont give a shit all this is just imo and I appreciated the feedback :) wish u the best in life friend :) @@MrKman172
do u think it had the intended effect?
@@MrKman172
There could be a number of reasons they made this change: 1. It did indeed increase the popularity of the game and in fact made it much easier to actually get hooked playing the game rather than getting shit on for your 1st 1k hours 2. To benefit console players and make most guns actually usable, old mp5 or ak maybe would be impossible almost 3. Easier game = more players = more people telling their friends about the game = more money for facepunch. As for @MrKman172 's comment about scripting or cheating, it may be possible but i doubt it since either way whatever the recoil is there will be scripts for it - wouldn't matter if it was easy in the first place, if anything it made scripting more unrecognisable.
@@akg2655 yeah i think this is a pretty fair idea of what they were trying to do. I dont think it made the game better, but of course saying it's better or worse off for it would be objective. I think for me the recoil being hard and getting better with time and practice gives another since of progression outside of the wipe cycle which would make for a better overall experience in the long run. Thanks for the feedback :)
old recoil still better
Who else misses old recoil :/
Old Recoil player here: if you can't control new recoil you suck. It's pretty much just pulling down... I'll literally take breaks for months, come back on a weekend and get haccusations.
Usually its not really pulling down that is the issue, it's more just the amount on each gun and applying that for different range. 25-50m spray pull is MUCH less significant than 125-175.
Honestly I think the best solution to the recoil debate is rust console’s system, which has the old sprays but lowered down in difficulty. It would give sweats there recoil back but make it easier for new players to learn
Who needs a recoil tutorial for rust in 2023,
People trying to justify that there is a “hard” recoil
Lmao i see nothing wrog with tommy. I got 400h and by far i can do so much with it tommy is not in a bad state lmao.
don't raid your neighbor unless you are ready to be offlined by them. In that scenario you didnt earn the online honestly. 100% hate shit neighbors in rust and i do make sure they leave the server asap
FPS is honestly the most important thing, this game is such dog usually with micro stutters and bad FPS, anyone coming from CS or another FPS game that actually plays well will find Rust to be so much worse.
Thanks g, but it doesn't mather where you aim when rng fucks you in the ass.
Its all about having better guns and playing like a rat, unfun pvp bouth sides but then you win most fights :)
just change it back rust
Imagine making a recoil guide these day. There is nothing to practice anymore. They ruined it.
I already do most of this stuff, i have a god pc i get 200+ fps too.
...good..for you?
@@saltdog9832 😂
I have seen so many clips of thommy just being weirdly rng without holo. I feel like tommy needs a complete rework.
We early
Aimcone shouldnt be a thing
MAN WE OG PLAYERS KNOW THIS IS BS JUST SAYIN #BringBackOldRecoil
Hjune u called stimulant ass because he cannot 1v10 with new recoil u just mad u had a circle beam 75m
Just joking btw nice vids thoo but u know newrecoil is ass
first
Bring back old recoil,dump this dogshit aimcone
The second you can to to a gun range in real life and spray accurately FP will
its a game tho, nothing in rust is like real life
@@whatistruth_1
@@whatistruth_1rust aint real life
@@EXP256 Yup, but they made it more realistic this update, usually a plus. If you want a more arcadey game there are other options now.
bro what are u talking about its not a realistic fps and was never sold as one, you carry walls and raw pumpkins in ur pockets. It is an open world survival pvp co-op fps game.