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Pitch jointing for setts and cubes
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2014
- Watch and learn how traditional pitch jointing is used to complete a sett paved driveway and give it a touch of class and authenticity. Read more about pitch jointing and sett laying on the pavingexpert website - http;//www.pavingexpert.com/jointing09.htm
I did this when I was a teen working the mains road Dept.
We filled cracks in the bitumen road surface with cars and trucks speeding past.
It's amazing that I survived.
I have never seen this before and it looks amazing. We have a summer house with a flat top garage and maybe 40 years ago tar (this same material) was poured over the cracks (it is a massive garage) and until now it is still there. No leaks, no cracking, nothing.
Brilliant job by tradesmen, really nice to see a old traditional skill been carried out today .
I just pictured me with tar all over and splattering everywhere! These guys are awesome and really know what they are doing. Very beautiful and clean work.
Wow looks nice! I was worried at first thinking "tar" was going to make an absolute mess, but it cleaned up so well. And the melting for any awkward spots was cool. Great job!
Tony that’s great & believe a tradition that’s 100s of years old. It still looks great today & no where for weeds to grow.👍🇬🇧
Wow thanks for that vid, never seen this done before lovely to see an old craft being carried out
An excellent demonstration of each stage of the process. Thank you for posting as I needed to see this. I have 60m2 of old setts to have laid this way.
Played these for years and this I never done aor seen done, proper old school, this takes lot of time , not many clirnts would pay for this
I've never seen pitch filled joints in the US. Looks fantastic!
This is how it's done.. good job lads..
It was absolutely beautiful as said - looked a million dollars , 👍👌💯
Superbly artistic pavement laying and a wonderful job done by skilled artisans.
+Maria das Santos Glad you like it!
Never seen that in the States. It’s beautiful.
Yep , works as long as the pavement / Blocks are in Level ;) Ive seen people using this method on slightly curved pavements, and yes -- it did not work out well ;) so it depends on many things . But overall it is a good thing, because as said before tar stays more or less flexible and will "flow" for a long time, which means also that it expands and contracts within seasons. thanks for sharing
In germany we use that stuff sometimes in historical town centers with heavier traffic..but it really is an old fashioned thing over here. Today in traffic areas they usualy use stuff based on cement. There's tons of different brands which are all highly specialized in different styles of paving. In private areas this pitch would be a absolute no go. Most landscapers use artificial resin. There's a big variety of brands also. Google "vdw kunstharzfuge" or "sakret kunstharzfuge" best looking result in my opinion
I have several other videos showing resin jointing products from two different German companies plus a video in production showing a cement-based product with German origins...
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Tony McCormack I'll check them out. I'm a landscaper myself and am doing a lot of paving too. Quite interessting to see how it's done in other countrys. Your videos are well done anyways. A lot of work I guess.
A lot of work but I enjoy making them. I just wish I had more time to make other videos. I have a few new ones to be made public over the next week or two, and quite a few planned for the summer, but will I find the time??? Thanks for your interest.
Wow, I’ve wondered if this was ever done and here it is, very cool.
This is very satisfying to watch.
I've never seen that before that's fantastic
our whole city is done that way ...
Not common in my country (Luxemburg).
However i like the idea.
We normally use groud. The problem with it is that once a year, cleaning the path with the high pressure cleaner, you can see how the joints are getting deeper an deeper
A great looking job, ive not seen this done before, maybe a dying art!
Great video with even better music. Proper job
Thats a great job and its good how you can easily right the wrongs!
"Fun" fact: pitch never freezes, it just becomes a more and more viscous fluid. The world's oldest running science experiment is the "Pitch Drop", where a funnel was filled with pitch and has been flowing at room temperature since 1930, with a drop of pitch falling out roughly once a decade ever since.
That's also why, as said in the video, the tongues will eventually fix themselves.
Didn't someone nip out for a pee or a coffee or summat and miss the first 'drop' of the 21st century? I recall looking at it online years and years ago, half expecting a drop to fall during my brief visit.
Somewhat like glass which is a super-cooled liquid and very gradually flows down under the influence of gravity.
Tony McCormack I’m 51 years old now and I used to see that type of paving a lot more when I was a lad.Excellent work and the effect looks great too.👍
This is how they used to keep wooden boats and ships from sinking, except they used "oakum" (made by unraveling old ropes) instead of gravel. And it was the sort of job where as soon as you've finished its time to begin again.
beautiful work... looks fantastic
Thanks Tony very interesting
beautiful work
brilliant, I always wondered how to clean these up but it's pretty easy. nice job.
Why dont use sand and cement tomilho the joints? In the end spray whith water to cure the cement.
I would love this for my garden, but i would get tar everywhere apart from in the joints. Never seen this in the uk although i probably havent looked hard enough
I can see why you woud use it. But for me I dont like the aesthetics.
Glenn Howerd same I think it is not a nice look
Maybe if it was a walk way but using any sort of tiling for a driveway is a huge mistake, especially in front of a garage like this one was.
Tiles will wiggle apart every time heavy load is on it into the tile become loose which will futher deteriorate the surrounding tile unto you end up with a bad driveway.
In front of a garage where the foundation will most likely shift isn't a good idea, I've seen solid slab get crack or ruined and they're more structurally supported than Tiles with Pitch (and gravel bed).
@@h3llblaz3r12 they are not tiles, they are stone setts.
Love it. Less weeds👍
I wonder if that done here in the U.S.A.? I like how that looks in the end.
Here in India we pour molten lead (metal) and it completely fixed permanently. After a few years If you want to remove the lead metal u can't so the owner have to make right decision.
That seems kinda unsafe based on certain properties of lead and its effects on people's bodies. Just saying.
lead lol
Incredible, i think it looks great and different well worth it
Excellent work!
I have some small repairs to make where the pitch had cracked and fallen away. Do you think it would be alright to heat some pitch directly in the pitch can?
I never heard of this, certainly will last for a century if stones are bedded properly....
Great work Guys !!
very nice finish
Awesome art
How do you keep weeds from growing out from the grout areas?
This looks neat and appears to provide a solid, no maintenance solution, especially for somewhere that is wet and icy with possible lifetime survival under snow etc. Where can you buy pitch from? Doubt if our Homedepot or Lowes have it. May be we are missing something important in USA...
it's called bitumen not pitch so now you know the name you can search for bitumen grouting ;-)
Looks well. I wonder on a very hot summers day would the tar become soft with the sun and stick to your shoes. Just wondering
No: as mentioned in other comments, this is a modified bitumen pitch specifically for jointing pavements, so it has a higher melting point, and we never get the temps in Britain and Ireland that would be needed to turnm it sticky or tacky.
Looks great
You made this shit immortal
great vid, i used roofing tar when i did it several years ago is this the same thing as pitch, which you use ?
Great tutorial Tony. Is it sensible to use pitch on top of original sand and cement jointing that is slowly eroding after 20 years of life?
It's possible to do that, but you would need the old jointing to be at least 25-30mm down in the joint to accommodate sufficient pitch to hold itself in place. Thin coverings of pitch (20mm or less) over existing jointing never really lasts: it peels off far too easily as there is a lack opf 'grip' on the sides of the joints. You may need to grind out the joints to ensure you have adequate depth, and the deeper the better!
Knowing what a built up roof looks like after five years they may regret doing this. The tar will crack and look like crap and it would be all but impossible to remove it. Wait until they have a heat wave and someone tracks tar into the house and on the carpet.
This is my work
Looks like a very elegant and durable surface. How long does it last and in freezing climate. Great job!
In Britain and Ireland we have pitch-jointed pavements in excess of 100 yrs old.
What a great film........................Cheers
How much would it really take to grab a leaf blower and clear all the gaps for a nice finish? Not very impressiv
The few leaves remaining on the setts after preliminary cleaning have absolutely no impact on the pitch. Most are vapourised on contact, and any rclinging on are abraded to nothing in days. Why would we waste time with a leaf blower to remove so few leaves when 99.9% of them have been swept off already? Would you have us vacuum the setts, too, just in case there's any residual dust? I've been doing this for almost 50 years - never once had a problem due to leaves....or to dust!
That's beautiful! Where does this pitch technique come from? I'm from Denmark and I've never seen that at home.
Britain and Ireland never really used the granular jointing material, splitt, that is used in Germany, Austria, Scandinavia and, of course, Denmark. However, the British "overseas adventures" gave them access to Trinidad Lake Asphalt which was ideal for waterproofing ships and filling the gaps between setts.
Yall cant buy a 60 dollar gas leaf blower and get rid of the leaves first?
The issue of the leaves has been repeatedly addressed in the comments below. If they presented any form of a problem or compromised the pitch jointing in any way, they *would* be removed, but they don't so they weren't.
Looks great job👍👍
Women in high heels will hate this cobblestone.
They are NOT cobblestones! They are setts.
@@TonyMcCormack cobblestones
Love it.
It’s just wrong putting pitch between these stones. It doesn’t match.
@Robert Adkins Savage. My boii was expressing his opinion and his right to free speech and you came and burned all his Hope's and dreams.
@Robert Adkins "your stupid"... Me fail englush thats unpossible.
Robert Adkins I grew up in a place where the these street surfaces are 100 year old and have never seen one with pitch.
It was nice to watch but mismatched.
I've never seen this before Mr. McCormack. This is pitch, not tar is that correct? Is this something that is available in the states? I'm just to about start a granite pavers entrance to our garage and I think this is a very good application for longevity.
Yes, it's pitch, which is a specially modified bitumen for jointing sett paving (and other pavings), so that it is less prone to softening in warm weather and less liable to 'creep' down a slope due to gravity. I can't really comment on its availability in North America: I know it *was* widely used, but whether there are still producers, I can't say.
@@TonyMcCormack Thank you Tony! I sure like the principal! I'll see if we have it in the states. If not I may very well be looking at the UK. I'll have to find out about the pots.
Thank you,
Eric
bom trabalho
I like this work👍
This is one of my favorite videos.
I was wondering - if you boil pitch at 180 degrees - what might the temperature be when it is merely sticky?
...and what preparations were made for the reclaimed granite setts? Was the substrate tamped or was there any material set in place before the setts were laid?
I want to do this here in New Mexico - and the temperatures get pretty warm in the Summer here (90's - rarely over 100 in my particular area - but potentially up to 102 degrees F) - I wonder are there application specs on the pitch you use?
Thanks for the compliments. I think the easiest way to respond is to direct you to my website, particularly www.pavingexpert.com/setts06.htm and then on from there. Have a read of all that info and then, if you wish, feel free to email me (address on website) and I cam guide you through specifics.
Good
great work!
Never seen this before I Realy like it looks a little time consuming and teatius lots of back ache to but looks worth it .
This is the traditional way to fill cobbles. sand and cement is messy and dominates the look, distracting from the beauty of the cobbles, where as this is perfect. I am due to have my drive way done soon and will film and post on line....
Differentiate between setts and cobbles 'coz they ain't the same thing.
Your full a sh$%
This isn't the traditional ways in Sweden at least. Our roads are functional. Cobbles are used for their durability, low cost, ability to let water through and ease of maintenance. This only adds complexity and cost while reducing some of the most important benefits of cobblestones. And this looks far worse in my opinion then just using sand.
@@SWEmanque i agree with you, same here in germany
Perfect
While its still hot, could you broadcast it with sand?
How long does it last?
It should give at least 40 years service.
Tony McCormack - wow... what happens when the pitch is older, can new pitch be poured on top or does it need to be removed?
@@grendelum After many, many, many years, the pitch will most likely degrade to a black, lumpy powdery mass. If that does happen, then it's fairly easy to blast it out with a water jet and then replace with new or an alternative material.
Is it completely waterproof? Can it withstand heavy rain run off without eroding?
Plumsmuglers yes....lasts for decades!
nice.....whayt about frost.....or 45%c hot days...?.....i know its a biblical trad but still roads get pretty smelly in the red hot.
frost doesn't bother it and the last time we had 45¤ in Britain and Ireland was during the Triassic era!
How well will this hold up in harsh winters were it can get peak down to the -40s?
Not the sort of conditions we experience in Britain and Ireland, but I can't see any reason why it shouldn't hold up. It might become somewhat brittle, but as along as it's well seated within the joint, that shouldn't be a problem.
How much to do a 11 x 6 mts drive? Has a slight slope on it, very slight.
You'd need to get a local contractor to price for you. I don't get involved in pricing-up work any longer.
Never seen this material used this way before! Im a roofer i work with this hot tar almost every day and let me tell you what you dont know or probly this guy dont know either is that during summer at 90 or 100 Fahrenheit if you step on one of those tar lines ita gonna stick to your shoes!! And if it gets really cold at 20 Fahrenheit or lower and you put weight ita gonna crack like ice specially on those bricks!!
But, as explained in the accompanying web page, this is NOT, very, very definitely NOT, roofing bitumen. It is NOT the "tar" you may use in your work. It is a specially modified bitumen manufactured exclusively for the jointing of pavements. As for melting in summer and cracking in winter? I've been working with these materials for almost 50 years and I've never seen that - we just don't get those extremes of temperatures in Britain and Ireland, or when we do, they are so short-lived, they have little or no impact on pitch jointing.
@@TonyMcCormack man come on is the same tar used in pavement without the gravel, whata been used in this vid is pure tar! Melts at 500F 600F its like water! Hotter than that your little boiler will blow! Aint that right either?? The only thing different that you can mix with it would be fibers but this wasn't the case
No it's not! It's a modified bitumen. However, please feel free to continue with your beliefs based on a completely different trade in a completely different country and continent. Those of us actually working with the oroduct in Britain and Ireland will opt to accept that it is, indeed, a modified bitumen and NOT the tar of which you speak.
@@TonyMcCormack no matter what yoy think or come up with! It is not the best option! To be honest worst I've seen! And worst job! Could have at least thrown some powder gravel while it was hot just on the surface to get rid of that nasty black tar lines i dont understand how yall work in uk or wherever you're from but here we work smarter we dont just kind of fix! We fix for long term! What was done in this video wont last longer than 2 yrs
Your powers of prediction are about as good as your understanding of this method of working and the materials involved. If you care to look at the date on the video, it was published in January 2014, just over 5 years ago, and it's still performing perfectly well. Maybe your own work lasts only 2 years, but over here, we have pitch-jointed pavements in excess of 150 years old. Thanks for your input, no matter how irrelevant or ill-considered, but I think I'll stick with what I know.
amazing
What happens in a heat wave?.....I can foresee some of those loosely fit cobbles being picked up.
FMHammyJ First of all, they are setts, or even cubes, but most definitely not cobbles.
Secondly, we don't really get heatwaves in Britain and Ireland. If the daytime temp goes above 30C for more than an hour in high summer it's a miracle.
Thirdly, the modified bitumens used in the specialist sets jointing pitch are designed to remain relatively stiff at all temps below 40C.
Finally, the setts have been properly laid, by a professional, and are fully bonded to the laying course and the joints partially filled with the bedding mortar.. There is not a cat in hell's chance of any of them coming loose unless you put a jack-hammer to them.
@@TonyMcCormack is a cat's chance in hell better or worse than the snowman's? I like it and have never heard or at least recognized it. Looks a little like melted crayons. Thanks for sharing!
you can add a layer of sand on top of that and it will look even better
Spot on, pal
Very nice.
And when in summer +40 it will be pitch to stick to the feet and then it will be in the house
But we never get 40°C+ in Britain and Ireland! Acctually, the modern, modified bitumens we use have a much higher softening point.
The most important good progress
if you don't know what you're doing, this could turn into a disaster real fast
Tony, how many square meters can you fill with 100kg of melting?
Square meters of what? And at what joint width/depth?
Is this a better method that setting in mortar?
It depends on how you define "better". For me, it's certainly better looking, and, done properly, it's arguably 'better' for light and medium traffic. Where it might not perform quite as well as a cement mortar is in commercial spaces with heavier traffic loads. But think about how many such 'commercial spaces' you've seen that were sett paved 120-180 years ago, jointed with pitch, and are *still* perfectly serviceable!
Wow,.....that was ......Pitch Perfect......rutrow!
do the leaves in the joint bubble out along with the moisture?
No: they just vapourise (if they are bone dry) or become completely subsumed into the molten pitch. I'll say it again: The leaves are NOT an issue. They have zero impact on the performance or service life of the pitch.
@@TonyMcCormack hmm...what is the vaporization temperature of leaves? bet it is higher than the boiling point of pitch ;) No doubt, it doesnt affect service life or performance. Just seems like they should still be removed.
@@michaelcarton3299 I'm a professional paving consultant, not a experimental botanist, so you're asking the wrong person. I've only been working with pitch jointing for 40+ years, and my father for 20 before me, so maybe we lack your experience.
As I have repeatedly said, if you care to read the supporting texts, the *excess* leaves are removed. However, when this video was filmed, it was autumn and more leaves would fall as pitch was being poured. It is not practical to remove every last leaf.
When you've a can of rapidly cooling molten pitch at hand, it is not worth de-gloving to hoick out the odd leaf or two, allowing the pitch to cool to the point of uselessness while you chase a sodding leaf in the breeze.
Of course, purists, of which you may be one, are more than welcome to remove every last leaf, every last bit of organic detritus, every speck of dust, but the amount of jointing completed per shift will significantly diminish. We are/were professional contractors needing to earn a wage. If we reduce productivity due to over-zealous litter picking, or have to repeatedly re-heat cooled pitch because we worried about a bit of debris, we'd make no wage or price ourselves out of the job.
You do it your way. I'll keep working how I was taught. Since 1972, I've never once been called back to a failed pitch jointing job.
Nice
Best Perfect Pitch video... all the rest insist on singing.
Why would you full pitch in the joints?! Never seen that.
It's a traditional method in Britain and Ireland. Read the linked webpage
And verity idea
Roughly, how many square metres per block?
+negara54 There's a quantity calculator on the web page referenced above - www.pavingexpert.com/jointing09.htm#calc
its a strange video !!!! i have never seen before. we produce hollow block machines and i thought i know every detail until i came upon this
What am I doing with my life
Why pitch ? Why not cement and sand for filling ?
Because the client wanted a traditional look
The Bitumina was to hot. You can see White Smoke and Bubbels.
I assume the pitch is a petroleum product.
Where do you buy pitch at?
On that job, the pitch (CobbleSeal) was purchased direct from Jobling Purser in Newcastle.
Why would you pollute the environment with that substance?
Prefer mortar joints all day long.
You're weird.
@@robertcook2572 And you Sir are a turd.