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Claiming my 2024 Freedom bike is capable of 40mph is nice. But the Real reason I chose this bike is for ALL the other Reasons. Power to kill any hill on the street, Smooth full suspension Comfort, Nice upright riding position. And a good size 60v 20ah Battery for possibly some kind if range. And it's available is bitchin Blue! ( thank god because the black looks a little to plain Jane for me) AND it's a SMOKEN deal for a little over $2000.!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on all these highly Questionable claims. PS I joined the same Facebook page also.
Everyone advertises the Wired bike as a "40"mph bike but the fact is you really have to try to get to 40. The vast majority of the time I end up cruising at 25mph when I ride that bike and honestly that is fast enough for most situations.
amen. Ps, love the content man!
Thanks man, you too! Does your GPS speedo keep track of your rides as well? I've been looking at adding speed and map overlays to video but so far it seems like a convoluted mess, but it would be cool at times to see that. @@maximumchargeEV
Yeah the Wired Freedom on flat to slightly downhill is capable of 40+ with rider peddle assistance with average weight rider. But thats only for brief moments and can't be sustained. I got mine up to 44 mph for about 10 seconds on very slight downhill road. But on completely flat road with throttle only i can cruise around 36 mph.
The E-Bike guy just went 103 MPH on his DIY bike.
Thats AWESOME and so is the ebike guy and his builds. I'll have to watch that one
Top Speed is irrelevant. It doesn't matter in the long run. Whats important is RELIABILITY, and trustworthyness. Will it be running after 1000 miles (Odo), 50000, 10000? Most of these Xi-Nese p.o.s,'s, I doubt it. Most, like my Ariel Rider Grizzly X-2, will be in the landfill. By messing with the settings to enable a near 40mph top you increase the chances of toasting your controller, wires, batteries., or motors. These things are untested and unregulated. These companies pop-up via some Xinese megacity, sell some bikes, and disappear. Good luck getting someone here to work on it. Its YOUR problem once the card funds clear. I want to see a poll of E-bike owners where their bikes ODO's are the competition. Who has the most mls/kms on theirs w/o breakdowns? Mine didn't hit 800 mls before a major breakdown, controller short, then fire, while riding.,and has spent the last 3 months dead with sporadic customer No-Service emails. I should've bought a motorscooter from Japan. They don't breakdown.
Agreed that reliability is important and we all value different things. That could be a whole video on it's own. I totally accept the fact that I am running this system to it's absolute limit, maybe even more, and I might pay for that. I've done that with every computer I've ever owned as well, overlocking it to the limit. I think something is wrong with me.
True. I’ve been running mine since last summer - 6/2022 - and have had little trouble. Only matter is needing to discharge the battery slightly if I charge 100% so the bike will turn on.
Note that I built it myself, and have gone a minimum of 100miles a month.
Body weight also makes a huge difference.lighter is faster and tire pressure low pressure is slower.
Slight different for top speed as it increases the rolling resistance, but nothing compared to what gravity and wind does
You're incredibly right on this, and the guy running this channel is so flat wrong he had to go out on a limb and say "gravity"... cuz you know, that changes things. lmao.
A 300lb rider and a 90lb rider is a difference of about 3mph on my Grizzly, and increasing the rolling resistance with tire pressure and tire types can drop another 3 to 6mph. They're massive differences, not slight at all and the guy tried to just discount what you said out of hand then brings up gravity... 😆🤣 too funny. I couldn't even finish this video after reading that garbage.
But you sir, have it correct.
@syberphish oh you're one of those people..
Grin technologies recently made a video on this topic. Feel free to check it out, and I hope my horrible content is never shown on CZcams feed again.
@@maximumchargeEV You and me both!
....gravity...
lmao. Nice one.
@@maximumchargeEV if by "one of those people" you mean someone who thinks rider weight and tire pressure / rolling resistance means f-all more to a rider than "gravity"... yes.
The wind part goes without saying. No one tries to clock their top speed in the wind. You just sound like a nutter.
After a yr and a half and 3800 miles of commuting 10 miles a day, I’m more concerned about when my next visit with a goat head is coming. When I first got the bike it was top speed. I have one stretch where I can get to 32.X but I’d rather just cruise at whatever the bike gives me without hard work. Cheers.
Here's my honest thoughts, my bike is labelled as 48v 1000w 17ah, I'm 55 around normal weight and height. End of the summer with a tail wind..... And pedalling like an absolute lunatic, head down I achieved 49.9 kph, it or i could not go any faster, but.... If i changed the gearing I could, but I'm happy with how it is, for a bike it's great and puts a big smile on my face.... But don't get me started on my previous 36v 250w 10ah and limiter.... downright depressing!
Yeah those weaker ebikes are horrible! Unless it's a mid drive, they are only good for flat areas
Interesting video, my stock Ariel Rider Grizzly will peak at 38 mph, will have to do a phone app comparison to verify. I'm thinking it's more like 36 mph. My next bike will probably be one of those 8000 watt big battery bikes. I just want to keep up with the 50 mph cars on stretch of highway that I ride to get to town.
Epic!
Many bikes have an unlock feature. My Raev Bullet GTX is supposed to go 28mph, unlocked it goes 36 mph. A million ebike unlock videos out there.
I'm referring to the unlocked speed.
Is that ebike 48v?
Top speed is just a glory number. Im more concerned with range. A good test would be range at a set mph. More importantly, I'd be most interested in a test using three progressively higher set speeds to be able to ascertain the range drop.
I know manufacturers proclaim a max range but is it accurate? Was the test performed on a 30 degree grade down hill, while holding a kite? Or did they establish max range while peddling their ass off but holding a 3 mph top speed? Was their test rider a 65lb horse jockey?
Yeah the manufacturers definitely pad their range numbers for sure. I think we could probably infer that the more Watt hours (Amp hours x volts) a battery is the more range, and just ignore what the manufacturers claim. But 1000 Watt hours should give you about 15-20 miles of full speed throttle only, and 50-60 miles of very slow pedal assist 1
Well, the bike can be reprogramed to go faster. Just go to the settings and change the speed values. The bikes have limiters to control max speed for safety and the class of bike.
I'm referring to maximum 100% unrestricted speed
"I don't wanna be the guy that flys by people at 40 mph". Respect for that. Those are the people who are gonna get us banned from trails.
absolutely!
A very well detailed explanation of how ebikes work. Here is the thing though if you watch the right people on youtube you will see how manufacturers advertise there bikes as going 28+ MPH. That is how they will ship them legally but once you get it you find out how to unlock it to go faster. So a company says 28+ and you see someone on your same bike going 40mph the company can't advertise beyond that speed if it is shipping to a place that has speed limits before it has to get registered. I mean I think and I might be wrong but in the UK I think it's 15MPH anything over it has to get registered.
Oh yes I totally get that. I'm only referring to unlocked speeds.
I think 15 is a little ridiculous tbh. It kinda does feel like I'm cheating with my class 3 not needing to be registered, but I think 20mph class 1 class 2 shouldn't need registration.
@@SyllarenI agree. In my younger days I could hit 17 on a ten speed just pedaling. Couldn't hold it for long, but I could do it
@@ravenrock541 and with modern bikes healthy/young cyclists do maintain near 20. Lot more work, but same speed and danger. Pros hit mid 20s average nowadays.
Oh come on I have a cheap Walmart ebike with a 250 w motor that will do 32 mph. It will climb any Hill easily. Did I mention that it has a 350watt on the front and running 54v. The lightest bike I own.
Volts and amps largely limit speed. For sure!
Certainly wind resistance!
On a good day, on a flat road I can get my 48v 24A 20” bike up to 55km/h whilst pedalling too (upgraded to 56t, 11t)
I long ago realised that the speed achieved would be slightly more than the voltage. The torque relates more directly to Amps..
If I had a 72v system I’m confident with pedalling and the right gearing I could go faster than 70km/h, yet the wind resistance and my weight would likely affect that top speed….
I don’t think that’s a healthy speed for an electric bike… torque however! Now THAT I do want! Hmmmmmmm more AMPS is hard because of wiring restrictions
Yeah hill climbing and torque is the best. I would rather be able to climb a hill at an extra 10mph than go an extra 5mph faster on flat
Great video. Specially, the scenery.
Thanks!
I live in Alaska and can really appreciate the way you have the spray mounted. I'd like to see how you mounted it as it really looks solid and no movement at all. I always wear a pack and have mine mounted to the shoulder strap so that it's always with me.
Oh yeah it's solid! Would bear spray even help against a grizzly? We have black bears around here. I honestly am more worried about having to use it on an angry dog or human with bad intentions you know? Be safe!
Are they also lying when they say we get strong leg muscles with electric pedal assist???😊
It doesn't matter, because people are interested in what the machine can do, not the human rider. The ebike doesn't come with some muscle enhancement for your legs as an accessory.
@@maximumchargeEV 🤣
Air pressure in tires can make a different as well if i run 12 psi vers 35 psi i lose a mph i like to run low pressure when i am on trails to get a better ride
True
Well my 60 V scooter goes up to 50 miles an hour in a heartbeat so I love racing these guys because I have yet to run into an electric bike that can get anywhere close to me.
I believe that. There are some fast scooters out there
Ever hit a tree at 50 mph? You'll spend a few weeks in the hospital if you had your helmet on. None of you didn't. I know from experience when a car pulled out in front of me
@@ravenrock541 I think if you hit a tree in any vehicle going 50 you'll be In the hospital
@@ravenrock541 Thank you Mom!
@@user-ke9yk5qp3u Grow up, kid. I can't even be bothered to scold you
yeah any 48v/52v ebike is definitely capped around 35 unless you buy a controller over 40 amps and bump up your voltage to 60v then you get into the fun zone of 45 mph
Can you do that without ruining the 48v battery? I can set mine to 60v on the display or more but and 45 amp controller. I’ve not tried to change to higher volt on my 48v battery. If that’s possible or not please let me know dude
@@ahaelectric78a fully charged 48 volt battery sits at 54 volts, on the display on my e-bike I changed it to 52 volts from 48v. That's just concerning the first bar of five. It did change my bike regarding the torque, it takes off harder and it shows.
When I looked at it stock the fifth charging bar was at 49.5v so I put it at 51.5v, I've got more torque and it stays on the first charging bar for a long time. With me changing the voltage for the fifth bar higher I've never had any problems with the control box getting hot or the battery getting hot. I suggest that you do the same.
No, I tend to stay under 15mph. It will go faster, but I’ve little interest in going much over that figure unless in an emergency.
I built it myself, so there’s no formal “manufacturer.” I’m running a BBS-HD, and a 1.6kw/hr battery.
As far as I know, they don’t sell things like this. Most of them don’t have the kind of pulling power I need. I’ve yet to encounter a hill it will not climb.
Yeah the off the shelf mid drive bikes tend to be weak. Some of them that have the bafang m620 are beasts though. Biktrix has an insane one.
Nope. Kepler goes 35 mph with fresh charge throttle only. Mine i test constantly.. 38 mph pedaling is common. We have zero hills where i am. Would be fun to see how fast down a hill i could go.
My bike will do the normal 20mph on the throttle and usually 26mph with me peddling normal, it has the potential for 28mph but I seldom see that...I could change the gearing to prevent the "ghost" peddling between 26 and 28 mph and potentially increase the overall top speed of the bike...My bike is not a Wired bike and only has a 750 watt motor.
Sounds like you have a legal ebike that won't be confiscated like mine If they start to care about power levels!
When you lift the back tire off the ground, the cruiser tops out on the speedo at 43 the Kepler reads 49
So?
My Kepler shows 46.6 mph wheel up.😂
I noticed also that the batteries on my wife’s Ebike (LifePO4) seem to not put out as much speed when it’s 0 or up to 2 degrees C. The batteries are going on 5 years old, this is the end of the 4th season.
Makes sense, that's gettin cold!
I get 33Mph on a claimed 35Mph dual 1kW motors; only using 2 batteries & a blender for 48v 42Ah I'm 260Lbs and have another 40Lbs of crap attached to the bike!
Not bad!
50mph for $500 from Alibaba
My wife’s Ebike says that it’s going 59km/h but that radar thing we went past says 44kms/h which makes more sense, it’s the displays that lie and people don’t know any better
You might be right
I can get my 63 year old 217 pound butt up to 28 mph on my Jansno X50 and that is plenty fast for me… I have to admit I live out in the country and the 6 savage dogs chasing me like I stole their bone motivated me to get to 28
I bet the dogs were having a blast chasing you! haha
@@maximumchargeEV they can sure change your heart rate
Great video!
Thank you sir!
There are a lot of different E-Bikes out there. How can you make a broad statement saying you are being lied to. Maybe be specific next time and call out the ones that are lying.😂😂😂😂 i own an E-bike that goes 30mph with the throttle which is what the description of the bike said.
I'm not including the ones that cut you off at 28/30mph automatically, but the ones that have an unloaded free spinning max speed of 40+mph. You are correct, I did not mention this in the video.
Modern day “fishing stories”😂
Exactly
People can get different top speeds if the manufacturer has opened up the setting so the can program a variety of settings that are normally locked down. You were doing in the high 30's on your motorcycle(check with a lawyer on whether it qualifies as a motorcycle where you live.) have a complete set of motorcycle level safety equipment. I'm assuming your speedometer was set to MPH and not Km.
I'm only referring to unlocked, unrestricted controllers that give the bike 100% power
Quality video but the vehicle operated was not an e-bike at least in Pennsylvania. While in a residential area on a public roadway you blew through stop signs. You reached a top speed of 40 MPH on a paved trail with a total disregard for animals that might cross. You passed a pedestrian on a trail without warning at 19 MPH. Don’t worry, you are special. As long as you make interesting content laws don’t apply.
Thanks. You must be a blast at parties
I have a Kepler on flat ground it goes 36. My Wired cruiser 2023 model goes 38.
Incorrect.
Some CZcamsrs manipulate the wheel size to increase the visual top speed for click bait, they won't put it side by side with a gps.
Eg: Cyrusher Kommoda does 37mph pulling 0 watts,
Yes I did go 37mph pulling 0 watts but I was going down hill and I weigh 235Lbs.
I think for your everyday Joe 20Mph is fine.
Bingo!
@@maximumchargeEV Dude it's silly o clock in the morning on your side of the pond, get some sleep lol.
In the uk 15.5 mph max , we are so lucky here !
Well, you can go faster, there are only consequences if you get caught 😄
250 watts better than no watts, its like your best friend helping you. Hyper E Ride City all day, or 20 miles, 20mph and 60 minute duration for real !
Never said it wasn't!
Downhill the same hill the Kepler goes 44. The cruiser goes 43.
All bikes will go 120mph while falling off a cliff. I don't care for gravity assisted speeds.
@@maximumchargeEV #terminalvelocitymatters 😆
I could care LESS about top speed. I care more about Max Range. I want to spend as much time out enjoying a nice day that I can. Staying in positive control of the bike. The other thing to consider about Top Speed to ponder is.. how fast do you want to be going when you fall off or something appears in your way like a person or animal. 20 or 28 is fast enough ! My goal is having a good time and not being on crutches and having to sip food through a straw 😆
Fair enough! Dual and triple batteries for you my friend!
Okay so I have heard that a 48volt BBSHD mid-drive is capable of reaching up to 38 MPH, or are we only talking about hub drives? Just saying. Also when coasting downhill with no pedaling and no throttle you can go a lot faster than you might think. Hitting speeds in the 50s is not uncommon. So yeah speed testing is totally subjective.
Yeah I'm not sure about that claim, but I'll actually be finding out since I will soon build bbs02 48v. When people think top speed, they usually want to know what the machine can do on flat ground, unassisted by heavy pedaling, wind, and gravity. We can just throw an ebike rider off a cliff and say this bike can go 120mph
@@maximumchargeEV Have you tested a mid-drive eBike with a BBSHD? They have 160nm of torque on a 48 volt system that max out at 1500watts. Then you have the gears to think about, hub drives only have whatever gearing is available to them internally. Mid-drive make full use of your derailure. Really Hub driven bikes versus Mid driven bikes are completely different animals. I say this because I am not a CZcamsr and I have been riding both since 2019. I love the immediate torque of a hub drive, but my mid-drive has higher top end and when using the gears properly can climb even very steep hills easily. Why is it that cheap Hub drives are so popular? A mid-drive motor will run about 800 dollars where most hub drives only cost about 200 dollars.
@@maximumchargeEV I was agreeing with you about testing being subjective. I see some hub drive bias creeping into your tests. Both hub drives and mid drives have their use cases. Hub-drives are great for a quick commute. When I want to take an eBike out on the ATV trails, I prefer the mid-drive for control, range and climbing. Throttle only on a mid-drive kind of defeats the purpose.
Also how heavy are these e-bike operators complaining about their bikes speed, 120+kg? We are seeing more and more extremely large cyclist as e-bikes are getting more popular.
Very true, very common to see men in the 250lbs+ pound range. I did a test on this several months ago and a 50lbs difference made a substantial difference in acceleration and hill climbing.
What bike are you on?
Wired Cruiser Shunt modded to 3000 watts.
I think why people lie they have bought the bike and mebbies get a speed of 34mph but bike might feel it could go faster so they number is always 40mph to 45 mph. Now I've got 2000wat kit 40amp controller sw900 display battery 52v 20amp on the stand is 54mph on road 42mph so that's 10moh different but if I lost more weight I wous go faster. Now my bike can leave a car at traffic lights and I'm not kidding it gets to 30mph in 3to 4 second and that's no lie. Yes if you want a good speed 3000wat 72v that will give top end speed fir a while battery discharge so when that happens bike goes slower that's the only fault with ebike. There will be time when ebike won't need charge up. But not in my time I'm 75yrs old I've bought fat tyre bike 750wat I've increased speed using 30amp controller sw900 display 48v20amp battery you can increase battery to 52v 20amp it will give more speed. If you want good speed from your bike loose weight bike goes faster at the end of day 30mph is a good speed and gets from a to be fast
Can't wait to see more ebikes come stock with 72v systems!
Is there a reason you are in pedal assist 2 for the max speed test and rest of the end of the video. Wouldn't you want to be in 5 for that?
No reason. Throttle gives the same power regardless of the pas level. I think I has it on pas2 for pedaling near pedestrians to go slower
@@maximumchargeEV That makes sense, thank you for the response! I wasn't sure if it was related to the shunt mod thing you were talking about. Do you think you could have gotten to a faster speed when pedaling in pedal assist 5? I don't have this ebike but I'd be curious to know if you are able to go faster pedaling in pedal assist 5 then you are just doing throttle alone. Also curious at what pedaling in pedal assist 5 and going full throttle would do. Would you go even faster?
@@willBo8070 I actually did pedal during the first half of each run in this video, with full throttle the whole time. Even with my improved gearing, it only gave me a 1mph difference. The wind resistance at high speeds is ridiculous. Takes a lot of power to go only a little faster. Pedaling is pretty much useless after 40
@@maximumchargeEV If the bike was in pedal assist 5 do you think you could have hit a higher speed?
@@willBo8070 I doubt it. PAS 5 gives you full power just like throttle.
B/S does a very moderate speed of 43 which is all I need downhill maybe 50 do you want American made you get it do you want Chinese garbage you get it? Vintage electric roaster 72 V
Downhill speeds are irrelevant. It's all gravity. Flat and uphill is where it really counts.
truth.
if you want to go faster than what the e bike you have is just get a more powerful controller motor and battery for an upgrade no matter what e bike you have doesn't matter
not entirely true. Sometimes the controller can be modded to take more power from the battery and send more power to the motor. Only do that if you know what you're doing and you know you won't burn anything out. You could also only get a motor upgrade and go for a direct drive motor if you want more top speed and less torque.
@@maximumchargeEV I guess it depends on the specific model of the e bike for upgrades/modifications or what you can do is instead of doing it yourself take it to an electric bike mechanic for them to do the modifications/upgrades for you for what you want to do to your bike based on the model and brand of the e bike you have
What bike are you riding?
Wired cruiser shunt modded to 3000.watts
@@maximumchargeEV I'm getting my Wired Cruiser this month. Without mods, should I expect it to go 35mph after changing the settings?
@@GutsOfThor yes 100%
It’s about the battery it’s only 4000 W I have a 20,000 W consider that off-road
I don't follow...
Check out the CZcamsr E-Bike Guy. He's building my 8000w 72v Ebike. Custom E-Bikes are the best Ebikes
Agreed!
I dont even get the market for an "ebike" that goes over 28. Just buy a moped ffs.
The benefit of an ebike is transportation while still being allowed in many bike areas(depending on state this may require dropping to 20). I dont get the appeal of the ones that require being registered to be used anywhere, cant be on 90% of trails, and require expensive motorcycle insurance in order to be legal. Even if it goes 85 its just not worth it.
can you name anyone who's registered their ebike that still has pedals that goes between 30 and 50mph? Cause I can't.
@maximumchargeEV seems like playing with fire. Driving without registration and insurance is a pain of a ticket, and repeat offenses escalates the punishment rapidly.
@@Syllaren talked to a lot of cops. As long as you're not being an ahole and you have pedals they don't care
@maximumchargeEV thats only because it's the early days man. As they get more familiar with what is and isn't legal it'll be the same as you driving down the road without a license plate.
They are financially incentivized to ticket people during crackdowns, and as bikes get more popular, and people on surons keep wheelying into grandmas, a crackdown will start happening and they will start hunting those incentives.
If you've got disposable income and it's a hobby sure, but if you're using it for a commute it just seems like being short sighted to get an illegal bike and just hope it never gets enforced.
@@Syllaren so should we restrict ourselves from doing something now because it might be illegal later?
Sounds like we just need to go back to gasoline engines it seems to be a lot simpler
People will lie about that too
Just use a GPS speedo on your phone, blah blah ...
What?
If you are going to peddle for top speed be in PAS 5.. Go outside today put your bike in PAS 2 or 3 go flat out peddling your butt off while using full trottle.. NOW put it PAS 5 AND DON'T USE THE TROTTLE you'll be fastest in fact grap some throttle and notice the bike slow down. Your welcome🍻
That's interesting. I just came back from a ride. I'll try it later
The strongest cyclist will push about 250w max, so if you pedal hard, that's all you're gonna add...
That's BS, a good Tour de France rider can sustain 250 W for hours and peak at over 1000 W of power!
As you can see in the video, I add maybe 1mph at the top end of pedaling. Doesn't do much at very high speeds. At low speeds however, it does make a difference, especially for climbing. I got the 60 tooth chainring because I like to pedal all the time.
But the Wired cruiser is much quicker
For acceleration yes
I have a different problem I have a e motorcycle with a 10000 w motor 72 v 80ah lithum and people with a 3000w hub and only a 40ah is going faster
Battery capacity shouldn't matter too much for top speed. Tell me more about this dilemma please
@@maximumchargeEV I have it quick off the li e wish it was a little faster. But when I hit about 30 mph it stays about a few seconds then it feels like a turbo kicks in
@@albertdelbosco9686 strange. Which controller do you have? Might be worth looking into
@@maximumchargeEV brand new fardriver my guy is coming back to tune it some more