It's a shame you didn't compare the phanteks fan to the Noctua NF-A12X25 since it's the current benchmark for premium fans, still a good video and a solid recommendation nonetheless.
Yeah. Throwing in the static pressure oriented F12 and then comparing airflow with airflow oriented fans while spouting nonsense like. The nf-f12 is the worst among it's pears... It has to be on purpose.
There's another video doing this same testing on another channel (Major Hardware) right now (they had been given the same testing equipment by Phanteks). That channel tested a completely different set of fans than Bitwit tested here (including the NF-A12X25). I'm *guessing* phanteks sent this same testing kit to even more techtubers and asked each of them to review against a different variety of fans. Bonus for the techtubers: each one is presenting data on different equipment so the viewers aren't watching the same review 18 times in a row. Bonus to Phanteks: wider array of testing data gets put out.
You right. But I don’t regret it because with them being Magnetic Levitation Bearings and my room being fairly hairy and dusty because of 2 dogs, the lifespan will be better
When you hear that the supposedly objective testing equipment was sent by a contender for the title of best anything, you know there's a problem to start with.
@SmashStomp Inc It's a bigger fan with double the price tag of other smaller fans that's using a test rig built by the company trying to sell the more expensive bigger fan. In contrary to your stance, I wonder how you manage to look at it and be like "yes this is a test to see what's best for the consumers" That's like saying we have 3 commercial helicopters + a military grade fighter jet and we're going to see how fast each one takes to get to the destination while dog fighting in the air assuming the size and price tag is not a concern. The company trying to sell the obviously far more expensive fighter jet would make sure the testing site is optimal for their product to sell the appeal to potential customers. I'm not discrediting the whole test, but you can't say this was a genuine comparison either because he didn't show how the rig looks inside, and for a fan it's important especially because simply being bigger gives you more airflow. That's just a basic fact without even testing parameters. At best this video was a promo for Phanteks to sell fans that are far too overpriced for the performance delta compared to more traditionally sized and priced consumer fans, and Kyle definitely willingly took part in it.
So many questions even before watching the video: why the NF F not an NF-A? Why no arctic P12? Also why this specific Testing setup (except for they send exactly that just like with major Hardware) this seems pretty specific and at the same time not very useful for PCs. It's not professional enough to provide usable data, it doesn't even measure pressure, and it's so specialized that you can't really tell if the fan that excels in this setup will also excel on a say CPU cooler radiator or as case fan... So I find the usual test setups on CZcams where someone just takes an AIO or a CPU cooler actually more useful.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 That's what I kinda expect too... Especially since major Hardware got the exact same setup. I really don't like when manufacturers do such moves... If their fan is good enough it will be noticed by hardware CZcamsrs anyway and such a specialized setup which wouldn't be provided if it didn't favour their fan in some way is really sus... Kinda raises the question once more how stupid manufacturers think we are...
Because the NF A is not a static pressure fan. These tests seem fine to me. GN will be more in depth, but I would be willing to bet their results won't be far off from this.
@@JawKnee86 I think so too, the "tube test" is pretty good to meassure airflow. And you could see there was a grate at the end of the tube to straighten airflow before it hits the anemometer. Not perfect, but more then enough for a good estimate and perfectly fine for a comparison.
The NF-F12 was released in July 2013. So let's put grandpa in a footrace with some teenagers and see who runs faster and lasts longer. A12x25 would have different results.
The Gentle Typhoon (that the a12 is based on) is even older and beats the a12. But still loses to the T30. At least according to Major Hardware who does a fair amount of fan testing.
@@robwhitmore3040 The scythe GT is the base for most modern fan designs and the F12's only real competition back then for rad usage. The P12 was designed for higher SP/restricted flow like intake case fans, the S12 was for unrestricted flow like exhausts. The F12 is a directed flow fan designed for push mount on rads. The F12 wasn't intended for a case fan as such, but compared to every other case fan adapted to work on rads, it was far superior except for the GT which was it's equal in rad performance. Of course this was back when fans were just considered just airmovers and even cpu cooling was still in its infantcy.
Many people overlook arctic because of the price and looks. I wouldn't blame anyone for doing so because how would they know otherwise? However yes, the Arctics come very close to Noctuas top tier fans.
@@Bot.number.69420 PWM PST CO. Best version IMO. New fan motor reducing that odd hum at 1000rpm, daisy chainable to your hearts content and great pwm control. Also these fans now also come in an RGB and ARGB option without sacrificing much performance.
@@misatzu Which should also be how it is compared, unfortunately that doesnt happen though, imo the test on Igors lab shows that the T30 is somewhat of a brute force approach, especially given how at 1000rpm it moves less air than the A12x25, among other weird potential issues. The T30 ofc is still not bad, but for what it is there is a lot of space to improve.
I feel like Kyle missed an opportunity when it comes to fan selection on this test. Fans to consider that weren't tested: EK Vardar, Corsair QL, Gentle Typhoon, Noctua NF-A12.
@@dineshdas8392 yeah. They are fantastic for only $10. The only issue is they make a little more noise at about 1,000rpm. But I just adjusted my fan curves so they don’t hover at that speed.
So he's objectively testing these from the manufacturer that sent him testing kit to compare their fans to others...SMH This new fan is also $31 each. Compare apples to apples.
@@DeletedTaters001 don't get me wrong I like Bitwits content; I just don't agree with this one individual video and will continue to watch him. This video was titled premium fans tested, so I'd think he would be testing apples to apples. Maybe he should have also thrown in some 140mm 😆 just for fun. It's not like he said he'd continue testing other fans either, maybe had he said that we would expect another video with more fans added to this list. By there only being a handful of fans leads me to think he has no intentions on it though.
The NF-F!2 is good and all, but the NF-A12 is Noctua's top dog (well, not accounting for the industrial fans), and a test without the "king" of performance/value, the Arctic P12, is lacking. I mean, the P12 performs extraordinarily well for half the price of the other fans, It needs to be included in most tests to give a "floor" of "if it can't beat the P12, just buy a P12".
The A12 is meant for airflow, but lacks in static pressure when compared to the F12. Even a simple mesh filter drastically drop the A12's performance more than the F12 drops.
weird choice on the noctua fan. the noctua nf-f12 is a pressure optimized fan made for coolers. the noctua nf-s12a is an airflow optimized fan made for cases. and finally, the noctua nf-a12 is basically the best of both worlds, and currently the benchmark for all 120mm fans, which is why thermaltake and phanteks tried to replicate it by doing a 3d scan of the fan. dont support plagiarism!
@@andrewlee672 yes and no. if you compare both fans side by side, you will notice many differences. noctua took an existing design, and improved it. they changed the shape of the blades and coating. the gentle typhoon has a howling sound, while the noctua doesnt. its not a direct copy, and required a lot of engineering and testing. the thermaltake on the other hand is a direct copy, except for the arrows. they even copied the coating. thats the issue. if they had taken the existing design, and improved it, then that would have been a different story, but they didnt. they simply did a 3d scan of the blades, and removed the arrows. big whoop. at least phanteks put some effort and made more changes. but they also copied the coating. i guess that coating is going to be the new norm for premium fans now, and will be adopted by more manufacturers in the future.
@I love you but I doubt you're really asking and instead just trolling.. But if you want an answer here it is it is. I've mostly Built-in ITX cases cases and usually water cooled. 5 mm difference is kind of a big deal. And if we can just make things bigger to make them run better is better than we lose efficiency here
This! It's so sad, NZXT used to have some really cool case designs back in the day. Now all of their cases look the exact same. Just a big ol' black and white box with a glass side panel.
This made no sense to me, if your testing noise then you would set the fans to the same RPM then test but the fans are going diffrent speeds. Of course the faster fans will be louder.
I would have liked a lower-end test, these were all geared for more "full throttle" scenarios, I feel like I and many others don't run fans that loud/fast.
A test designed by Phantex results in Phantex winning. My question is what happens if 400 or 350fpm is not your target. If you can fit double the fans then 200 fpm might be your target or in my case my target was sub 25db fans for which 2 years ago had me purchasing 6 Silent wings 3
@@misatzu thanks good to know. next time i need to put in a plastic tube somwere in my house or in my cabin i will remeber that the tube was invented by phanteks.
@@norkris8729 just don't ignore that the _"and some mesh front panel"_ part was *_also_* what I specifically referred to (since it's totally not custom made for that "generic tube" which, ofc, has no particular characteristics at all) and you can save yourself the hassle of messing up your numerous properties :D
@@misatzu ok so the mesh is made so their fan is better than the other fans.. Do u even think before u type this stuff?? We do know that the best fan design is close to the 12x25. and when u take that and make it thicker.. its going to crush these fans
I'd really have loved to seen a collection of each of these fans in a real world environment under stress test to compare thermals and not just rely on the phanteks supplied equipment. Interesting concept but the methodology seems not as transparent as I would like!
@@ishaanm8270 exactly! perhaps some of these fans excel in other tests, not necessarily but it would have been interesting to see a variety in testing!
@SmashStomp Inc At very least real world data would provide context, i.e. this cooler ceteris paribus had temps 2 degrees lower. It's not useful data especially as there's no price discussion. Better at what cost, better by 1 degree etc. So for instance you had one of the lower rated fans and decided to swap for the phanteks one, if the performance increase is only minimal then you might be surprised.
@SmashStomp Inc I don't think that's remotely true, it would not be beyond comprehension to make a test pc out of the most common parts or a standard selection for comparison. My point here was that what does the data shown, other than db (obviously) actually mean. If a fan can move fpm how might that impact it's real world performance does 10% fpm equate to the same in degrees.
@SmashStomp Inc I don't think it's outrageous to assume that the most reviewed on Amazon case or top trending or whatever not only will be exactly what some people have but also not be niche. Don't think you quite need to be a rocket scientist to think that you pick the best sample and run with it, the sample that reflects what real people use. Not sure whether you are contrarian or what but it's not a radical idea. Especially when you state these are the parts we are using, selected to represent the average consumer
@Gareth Tucker no, the tube cant skew the results. but testing the T30 against fans that dont serve the same purpose as the t30 is skewing the results. It is a blatant ad for phanteks. They ommited the a12x25 on purpose because it would eat the phanteks while being smaller and quieter
@Gareth Tucker the major viewers know a thing or two about fans. Kyles audience is mostly young impressionable kids who only use computers to play minecraft not solidworks or any work
A fan company sends out a new fan AND a new testing machine that's only usable in really abstract non true-to-life benchmarks and - *who would've guessed it* - favors the own fan?! even non-haters would say that this video is so damn rigged that you should take it off the platform ASAP
@I love you but sure Buddy. The test scenario still doesn't make sense for real world use in a pc case. But keep thinking that you are smarter than anyone else. This is like throwing tires in a campfire and trying to find out which one is best for drifting and melts the slowest.
@I love you but oh okay. So where did I say this tube is rigged. The only thing I said is that this tube make zero sense when applying the scenario to the real world. Also what I'm wondering: What makes you an expert on this? Because I got my master in mechanical engineering with my main being thermodynamics. And I'm pretty sure that I'm capable of telling you that this "experiment" with the tube (while being accurate for the test) is total nonsense when applied to a real PC build.
Good stuff, and thanks for the vid! Keep in mind, though, that this was a test on a device sent by a company to prove their own product is superior. Hopefully, the results are objective, but there's definitely possible bias in testing materials/setup.
Would be nice to see a full product line comparison from the corsair lineup seeing that they have many models with little detail on performance variance other than the RGB difference.
It would be nice to see these kind of data for more fans. Also would be nice to see fpm's results of fans at max speed regardles the noise level. (A lot of us use headphones when playing)
The phanteks is 30mm so the comparison is kinda skewed. Although given how new cases are structured perhaps a much bigger fan would be a good options to have. A 50mm fan for example(if it yields better results then even bigger), given the open space new cases have currently, as its only obstruction would be the GPU in most cases and its not that close. I guess you could always go industrial and pick up a sanyo but they are pretty loud for a machine next to you.
@@jonas1234163 I don't recommend buying the 5 pack because I've seen quite a few retailers selling the single fans for less than a fifth of the 5 pack, including Amazon sometimes I recommend buying the P12 PWM PST CO which doesn't come in a 5 pack (AFAIK)
I hear if you start talking about anything Linux Anthony from Linus Tech Tips will just materialize out of thin air and recommend PopOS before offering to help with all your tech problems. So effectively Wendell and Steve are wired teleportation and Anthony is wireless. Praise be.
I understand why you controlled the experiments in the way you did, however I had a thought. My GPU is insanely loud compared to my case fans so the noise of these won't really impact me. I'd like to see an experiment that standardises RPM to measure the difference in each fans airflow. Also the absolute max airflow capable regardless of RPM and noise. Finally, I had no idea how much these fans cost at time of filming so I'm not sure if these fans are in competing markets. Great video though you explained things well and I'll always come back for these kinds of vids!
Confirms my personal tests while fans were in my system. I compared ML120 to the NF-F12 and noticed lower performance with sound and airflow. Everyone always touted the Noctua being best choice for all scenarios (that was available) but all of my quick tests showed otherwise. Now Phanteks just has to do some neat RGB and appearance on the fans so it doesn't look like something self printed. As of now, my choice is still the ML120 to get personalized RGB options.
Even though Noctua NF-F12 is an older design, it is comparable to the other fans while running at a much lower RPM concerning airflow. But its RPM to Noise (dBA) is finally showing its age. It had a great run.
it _would_ have been helpful if it had included the Noctua NF-A12X25 and Arctic P12 it didn't because it's an ad nothing wrong with basing decisions on ads if that's your thing :>
The 20% in thickness and the heavier pitch fan isn’t really comparing apples to apples. To level the playing field, that should of been up against 140mm fans. I bet they couldn’t wait to send to the test kit 😄
@I love you but If you’re specifically testing performance, it’s obvious that the larger fan (regardless of whatever way it is made to be larger) will come out on top 🤷♂️ I’m not implying that Phanteks are at fault for anything BTW. The innovation is inspiring. Joking aside, I’m all for lower noise and better performance 👍
Would like to see comparisons at different flow/noise targets, for example at idle or low loads (where I'm sure most users will spend the vast majority of the time). Suspicion of conflicting interests aside, it would be interesting to see if other 30mm thick fans appear, given how the extra 5mm of thickness supposedly produces so much more performance. in the meantime I'll stick with the NF A14's
I ve got 4 ml120 for 50 € so is a good value for the performance, the pro one still being 1 22 € while only one phanteks t30 costs 55€, in the us apparently costs $30. I cant complain with ml120 fans move a lot of air
To everyone wondering why he didn't use this fan or that fan, it's because these are the fans specified by Phanteks to use in the comparison in their "review guide" that was provided along with the testing equipment (A.K.A. "the tube"). This video should really be labeled as "Sponsored" or "Ad" to comply with FCC regulations. But Kudos to Kyle for squeezing 2 sponsors into 1 video. Look out LMG, Bitwit is matching you in the number of sponsors per video. Time to up your game!
T30 are great fans, and even if it's Noctua's fault that after 3 years we're still waiting for A12 Chromax, the standard A12 should be in this test (the F12 have almost 10 years).
> *everyone _*believes_ noctua is the best performer and quitest fan FTFY time to update your "knowledge" bud, the only thing that hasn't changed is that they are the most expensive among their respective direct competitors
THIS. And also, they should all have the same PWM or CFM rating. Or, all the same Noise rating. My Noctua FNN-P12 Redux 1700 fans make only slightly more noise than the stock Coolermaster and Corsiar fans, but move 3-4 times as much air. This was not a good test. as they should all be tested at various voltages and speeds. What you need to test is RPM vs. Noise, and Airflow vs. Cooling. Basically looking for the most airflow and cooling vs. Noise. Also, if the Noctua fan is undervolted, it won't perform as well as "lesser" fans. If you fully power all of those fans and retest them for their noise vs. cooling efficiency, you'll get a more true understanding of how "good" they are vs. one another. Because at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to. How much noise a fan makes vs. how much cooling it does. If one or both of those things isn't good enough for you, keep shopping.
Also the same Voltage for each. Because different voltages with different fan motors will give you different RPMs, so you could set a Target RPM as a test as well.
Using a Phanteks designed test suite to demonstrate a Phanteks fan beats the well regarded industry standard, and that the well regarded industry standard performs horribly and contradicts the findings of basically ever other fan test on CZcams... Idk man. Idk.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I'm thinking there will be backlash on this. I just don't trust someones testing methodology who did the testing using one of the fan providers equipment that they provided...and what do you know they land on top on all his charts. 😆
Completely glossing over the fact the Phanteks fans are a design ripoff of the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoons... Zero mention of the Nidec Servo fans and using Noctua F series instead of A series (which is also a clone). Phanteks only gets points for the 5mm depth increase. I was intrigued in the beginning, but the remainder of the testing and concluding thoughts was very disappointing.
I like how he releases this video about a week after I bought a 3 pack of Corsair AF120 LED fans... but hey they still work pretty great in my opinion.
@bitwit you should do one last final test where you crank up the all the fans to the maximum RPM they can deliver with the most restrictions you could realistically put against it, and THEN measure its dBs and FMP
2 final tests. The scythe GT and Noctua F12 both had pretty mediocre stats on paper, there were plenty of other 120mm fans with higher sp or higher cfm. Yet both were rated the best fans for rads because of the ratio of sp to cfm worked best vs rads resistance. Coulda slapped the end of that aio on a cpu and seen where the temp performance was at, does the Phanteks really Cool better than the Noctua. I'd rather move less air, more noisily, if it meant a drop in temps.
I have 9 ML Pro in my 925, 6 attached to PE Rads, yet when I run them at 800 RPM, I only see 35db, and that is on a pulsar nova class 2. Also found it odd that you picked the RGB varient over the standard ML, as they have different attributes, the non RGB has higher CFM 75 compaired to the RGBs 47. That said, it is the only fan of the 4 that has RGB.
You know the video is gonna be good when it takes 5 minutes to explain the setup. :) .....and I spent about 15 mins trying to find out what dB(A) is. There are a few different dB(x) designations, I came to find out. Damn good video.
Ok it's not really fair to compare a 30mm fan to 25mm fans but that doesn't make this info wrong or irrelevant. It wasn't long ago when we were desperate for exactly this info. ~10 years ago there was 1 guy who was posting videos on his own site with anemometer and dB testing. He was THE resource in the watercoloring world. Now we have progressed to the point that fan companies are sending anemometers in their press kits!? I call that a win. More data points= more better.
The Amazon product page for the Phanteks T30-120 doesn't say what the stock or "max" RPM rating is. Noctua offers a 3000 RPM 120mm fan: "Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM" which would seem preferable for simply adding extra air cooling aimed directly at a hot-running graphics card, for example.
You say most builds won't have completely unrestricted fans, but I think the rear fan is pretty unrestricted in most cases. Maybe not totally, but they usually only have a mesh with large holes or a small grill to keep your fingers safe.
Why did you not try Noctua NF-A12x25 which would perform better overall over the NF-F12?! This test isn't completed until you test the most modern Noctua fan. On paper 0.3 less static pressure, but would perform better in most scenarios. Do again, do right. 10% thumbs down says it all..... No, I'm not a Noctua fanboiiii btw.
I think one important data point is ambient noise level, to measure an over ambient dBA is much more useful for most people. IE noise control test being at +15dBA over ambient rather than 50dBA total noise reading. Just posting this information in the comments would even be more useful to most people, because some people are in noisy environments already vs the ones in already quiet environments. Great idea, I just think that simple tidbit of information would've been greatly more advantageous to end users looking at these 4 options and/or for future similar videos, if any are planned.
It was necessary to do two more measurements per fan - one at ~50cm and maybe the other at ~100cm. No one has a computer next to their head while using it.
What matters more in the output of the fan is how close the blades are to the cowling. The greater thickness could also be a legit factor but for the longer duration of time the air is within the blade/cowling system. I believe so anyhow. I think myth busters may have done an episode on this.
Thanks for the video I like things like this. Sadly RGB is one of my things so I picked up the new Lian LI uni fans and love them. They are quiet compared to the coolermaster i was running previously and the simplified cable management was a total win for me.
Comparing 4 fans, 1 being over double the price of the others and 15-20% bigger as well, I wonder in which direction this benchmark will go. Please choose the appropriate models to compare them against each other next time.
Thanks for testing the fans with filters or panels in front of them! Most testers only test fans on radiators, which tells nothing about their acoustics when used as case fans. I hope you'll keep reviewing more fans in the same way against the Phanteks T30. May I suggest the Noctua A12x25, the Sharkoon Silent Storm, and bequiet Light Wings for the next roundup?
After trying fans from most of the big manufacturers someone turned me on to the artic p12 fans. Love them and I'm not looking back. Best of all they are priced reasonably.
It's a shame you didn't compare the phanteks fan to the Noctua NF-A12X25 since it's the current benchmark for premium fans, still a good video and a solid recommendation nonetheless.
I think that was on purpose
Yeah. Throwing in the static pressure oriented F12 and then comparing airflow with airflow oriented fans while spouting nonsense like. The nf-f12 is the worst among it's pears... It has to be on purpose.
There's another video doing this same testing on another channel (Major Hardware) right now (they had been given the same testing equipment by Phanteks). That channel tested a completely different set of fans than Bitwit tested here (including the NF-A12X25). I'm *guessing* phanteks sent this same testing kit to even more techtubers and asked each of them to review against a different variety of fans. Bonus for the techtubers: each one is presenting data on different equipment so the viewers aren't watching the same review 18 times in a row. Bonus to Phanteks: wider array of testing data gets put out.
@@JensHolstSchumacher Why is an nf-f12 around pears? Are we air cooling fruit now?
Is a Phanteks commercial
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You right. But I don’t regret it because with them being Magnetic Levitation Bearings and my room being fairly hairy and dusty because of 2 dogs, the lifespan will be better
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As soon as he said "...testing kit sent by Phanteks" I knew the outcome
It's a bit disingenuous
When you hear that the supposedly objective testing equipment was sent by a contender for the title of best anything, you know there's a problem to start with.
@SmashStomp Inc physics. On the other hand how can you prove it does not?
@SmashStomp Inc It's a bigger fan with double the price tag of other smaller fans that's using a test rig built by the company trying to sell the more expensive bigger fan. In contrary to your stance, I wonder how you manage to look at it and be like "yes this is a test to see what's best for the consumers"
That's like saying we have 3 commercial helicopters + a military grade fighter jet and we're going to see how fast each one takes to get to the destination while dog fighting in the air assuming the size and price tag is not a concern. The company trying to sell the obviously far more expensive fighter jet would make sure the testing site is optimal for their product to sell the appeal to potential customers.
I'm not discrediting the whole test, but you can't say this was a genuine comparison either because he didn't show how the rig looks inside, and for a fan it's important especially because simply being bigger gives you more airflow. That's just a basic fact without even testing parameters. At best this video was a promo for Phanteks to sell fans that are far too overpriced for the performance delta compared to more traditionally sized and priced consumer fans, and Kyle definitely willingly took part in it.
@@grimfist79 Noticed how you didn't even say anything. Just one word and you thought it made you look intelligent when it had the opposite effect.
well even disregarding that, the phanteks fan is literally in a league of its own being a thicker fan. whereas the rest are the same thinner fans
So many questions even before watching the video: why the NF F not an NF-A? Why no arctic P12?
Also why this specific Testing setup (except for they send exactly that just like with major Hardware) this seems pretty specific and at the same time not very useful for PCs. It's not professional enough to provide usable data, it doesn't even measure pressure, and it's so specialized that you can't really tell if the fan that excels in this setup will also excel on a say CPU cooler radiator or as case fan... So I find the usual test setups on CZcams where someone just takes an AIO or a CPU cooler actually more useful.
He had to make the Phanteks fan look good somehow.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 That's what I kinda expect too... Especially since major Hardware got the exact same setup. I really don't like when manufacturers do such moves... If their fan is good enough it will be noticed by hardware CZcamsrs anyway and such a specialized setup which wouldn't be provided if it didn't favour their fan in some way is really sus...
Kinda raises the question once more how stupid manufacturers think we are...
Yeah, the Arctic P12 are superior to bequiet. I replaced my bequiet ones. And my PC is cooler and nearly silent.
Because the NF A is not a static pressure fan.
These tests seem fine to me. GN will be more in depth, but I would be willing to bet their results won't be far off from this.
@@JawKnee86 I think so too, the "tube test" is pretty good to meassure airflow. And you could see there was a grate at the end of the tube to straighten airflow before it hits the anemometer. Not perfect, but more then enough for a good estimate and perfectly fine for a comparison.
If I didn't know better, I would think this wasn't an ad. Thanks everyone for letting me know about the Noctua NF-A12X25.
@I love you but It isn't for the naive.
Just a other sponsor video...
Premium fans? No A12 from Noctua and P12 from Artic. Obviously biased review.
We'll just wait for GN Steve to test this
The NF-F12 was released in July 2013. So let's put grandpa in a footrace with some teenagers and see who runs faster and lasts longer. A12x25 would have different results.
The Gentle Typhoon (that the a12 is based on) is even older and beats the a12. But still loses to the T30.
At least according to Major Hardware who does a fair amount of fan testing.
@@robwhitmore3040
The scythe GT is the base for most modern fan designs and the F12's only real competition back then for rad usage. The P12 was designed for higher SP/restricted flow like intake case fans, the S12 was for unrestricted flow like exhausts. The F12 is a directed flow fan designed for push mount on rads. The F12 wasn't intended for a case fan as such, but compared to every other case fan adapted to work on rads, it was far superior except for the GT which was it's equal in rad performance. Of course this was back when fans were just considered just airmovers and even cpu cooling was still in its infantcy.
Even if you put the A12 against T30, it loses. Shame the Gentle Typhoons weren't in the test.
@@frijin490 late af, but I saw another video that had gentle typhoons in it, it was close but the t30 still pushes more air with less noise
imagine testing PC fans in 2021 without including Arctic - premium performance for a nice budget price.
I’m such a simp for arctic
Imagine fan without pst splitter.
Arctic are awesome. A must for any budget build.
Many people overlook arctic because of the price and looks. I wouldn't blame anyone for doing so because how would they know otherwise? However yes, the Arctics come very close to Noctuas top tier fans.
@@Bot.number.69420 PWM PST CO. Best version IMO. New fan motor reducing that odd hum at 1000rpm, daisy chainable to your hearts content and great pwm control. Also these fans now also come in an RGB and ARGB option without sacrificing much performance.
So Conclusion, the Phanteks fan performed the best on the Phanteks fan tester? Who would have thought?
does not matter if panteks made the fantester. their fan would be best anyway
@@norkris8729 ... because it's 20% thicker.
This is an ad, not a test (for a myriad of reasons), don't fool yourself.
@@misatzu i wont fool myself, just watched the phanteks beat the 12x25. noo fooling
@@norkris8729 ... except disregarding the fact that price/performance ratio also matters to what's "best", unless money is no issue
@@misatzu Which should also be how it is compared, unfortunately that doesnt happen though, imo the test on Igors lab shows that the T30 is somewhat of a brute force approach, especially given how at 1000rpm it moves less air than the A12x25, among other weird potential issues. The T30 ofc is still not bad, but for what it is there is a lot of space to improve.
I feel like Kyle missed an opportunity when it comes to fan selection on this test.
Fans to consider that weren't tested: EK Vardar, Corsair QL, Gentle Typhoon, Noctua NF-A12.
I have a rig with only Corsair QL in it (6). Quietest and coolest (pun) rig yet.
I'd add Arctic P12 to that list, these fans are very good for their price.
He should’ve tested LL120s or QL120s, yes. ML120’s have always been Corsair’s worst performing RGB fans. This data had a huge bias.
Major Hardware tests against the nf a12 and the gentle typhoon.
If he did that then the Phanteks would likely lose and he'd lose that nice money they payed him to make them seem like the best.
I wish you'd included the Arctic p12s but only because that's what I filled my PC with, 😂.
Definitely
Is it good?
@@dineshdas8392 Yep they're the best performing fans in most aspects (like airflow and noise) and also one of the cheaper ones!
@@dineshdas8392 yeah. They are fantastic for only $10. The only issue is they make a little more noise at about 1,000rpm. But I just adjusted my fan curves so they don’t hover at that speed.
Yeah just put 2 in my case last night!
So he's objectively testing these from the manufacturer that sent him testing kit to compare their fans to others...SMH
This new fan is also $31 each. Compare apples to apples.
To be fair, isn't the point of comparing differently priced fans to see if the extra money yields extra performance?
@@DeletedTaters001 don't get me wrong I like Bitwits content; I just don't agree with this one individual video and will continue to watch him.
This video was titled premium fans tested, so I'd think he would be testing apples to apples. Maybe he should have also thrown in some 140mm 😆 just for fun. It's not like he said he'd continue testing other fans either, maybe had he said that we would expect another video with more fans added to this list. By there only being a handful of fans leads me to think he has no intentions on it though.
The NF-F!2 is good and all, but the NF-A12 is Noctua's top dog (well, not accounting for the industrial fans), and a test without the "king" of performance/value, the Arctic P12, is lacking. I mean, the P12 performs extraordinarily well for half the price of the other fans, It needs to be included in most tests to give a "floor" of "if it can't beat the P12, just buy a P12".
It's not half when you get value pack for 32€ and the others cost 20-30€ for 1 unit.
Costs like £5 for a P12... whereas Noctua F12 is like £20...
The A12 is meant for airflow, but lacks in static pressure when compared to the F12. Even a simple mesh filter drastically drop the A12's performance more than the F12 drops.
Yeah, this test was Rigged. Why not use the A12's, because it's not Black? Very Suspect.
What about 240v server fans. They go really good and only make your ears bleed a wee bit
weird choice on the noctua fan. the noctua nf-f12 is a pressure optimized fan made for coolers. the noctua nf-s12a is an airflow optimized fan made for cases. and finally, the noctua nf-a12 is basically the best of both worlds, and currently the benchmark for all 120mm fans, which is why thermaltake and phanteks tried to replicate it by doing a 3d scan of the fan. dont support plagiarism!
Which also means we should boycott noctua too?
They pretty much copied the gentle typhoon.
even noctua copied, it is not purely original. They copied the gentle typhoon.
"3d scan of the fan" so they 3d scanned the bearings and pcb and printed a copy? LOL
@@andrewlee672 yes and no. if you compare both fans side by side, you will notice many differences. noctua took an existing design, and improved it. they changed the shape of the blades and coating. the gentle typhoon has a howling sound, while the noctua doesnt. its not a direct copy, and required a lot of engineering and testing.
the thermaltake on the other hand is a direct copy, except for the arrows. they even copied the coating. thats the issue. if they had taken the existing design, and improved it, then that would have been a different story, but they didnt. they simply did a 3d scan of the blades, and removed the arrows. big whoop.
at least phanteks put some effort and made more changes. but they also copied the coating. i guess that coating is going to be the new norm for premium fans now, and will be adopted by more manufacturers in the future.
yeah exactly, kyle disappointed me today...
So the winner is actually the be quiet fans for normally sized PC case fans.
@I love you but I doubt you're really asking and instead just trolling.. But if you want an answer here it is it is. I've mostly Built-in ITX cases cases and usually water cooled. 5 mm difference is kind of a big deal. And if we can just make things bigger to make them run better is better than we lose efficiency here
OK you've convinced me.
Wait...Where is the NF-A12x25 ? You can't do a premium fan test without the NF-A12x25 .
phanteks wouldnt like him to test an actually decent fan
The closed panel front should just be called the NZXT 😂
Yes yes... but i still love my H700i!!!
😂😂 So accurate!
This! It's so sad, NZXT used to have some really cool case designs back in the day. Now all of their cases look the exact same. Just a big ol' black and white box with a glass side panel.
This made no sense to me, if your testing noise then you would set the fans to the same RPM then test but the fans are going diffrent speeds. Of course the faster fans will be louder.
He also set them all to the same noise level and measure how much airflow they produced which I think is the most useful test
@@pocketlint82 But if your testing noise then it should be a catagory of it self, how much air vs noise can do its own.
Why not test all at 100%. Some of us don’t care about noise, it would be a good data set to include.
I think most people care about noise but extra data is nice
I was also thinking it could be cool to see data with normalized rpm at say 1400
my pc has all t30 fans & trust me you shouldn't run them at 3000 rpm
@SmashStomp Inc actually, they sound fine @ 1500
what about arctic p12 and p14
I can't believe Phanteks provided the testing equipment and they also got the lead in EVERY SINGLE TEST!! Absolutely unexpected!! I'm shocked!
So you’re not a fan of this test?
yes, the tube can tell the difference between the fans while testing...LOL
@@Jaz_3001 haha fan
I would have liked a lower-end test, these were all geared for more "full throttle" scenarios, I feel like I and many others don't run fans that loud/fast.
People don't run all of their fans at max RPM all of the time? Blasphemy!
Paint me shocked the thicker fan can move more air
A test designed by Phantex results in Phantex winning. My question is what happens if 400 or 350fpm is not your target. If you can fit double the fans then 200 fpm might be your target or in my case my target was sub 25db fans for which 2 years ago had me purchasing 6 Silent wings 3
"test design by phanteks" did phankets come up with a tube/air tunnel and some mesh front panel?
@@norkris8729 yes, that's exactly what they did. it's a test kit, obviously.
the way you're asking as if it wasn't is hilarious :)
@@misatzu thanks good to know. next time i need to put in a plastic tube somwere in my house or in my cabin i will remeber that the tube was invented by phanteks.
@@norkris8729 just don't ignore that the _"and some mesh front panel"_ part was *_also_* what I specifically referred to (since it's totally not custom made for that "generic tube" which, ofc, has no particular characteristics at all) and you can save yourself the hassle of messing up your numerous properties :D
@@misatzu ok so the mesh is made so their fan is better than the other fans.. Do u even think before u type this stuff??
We do know that the best fan design is close to the 12x25. and when u take that and make it thicker.. its going to crush these fans
Kyle finally released an OnlyFans video. Not quite what I was expecting but I’ll take it. Ba dum tsss
Thanks for not mentioning the Arctic P12. Now I can keep getting high-performing quiet fans for cheap :)
hehe exactly ... avoiding the "Jay mentions product > product sells out" effect
You missed NF-12x25 and Arctic P12s granted P12s aren’t exactly “premium” but the performance sure is
No scythe wondersnail, thermaltake a12x25 copy as well. For case fans, kaze flex black is good all rounder in performance, looks, and bearing noise.
I'd really have loved to seen a collection of each of these fans in a real world environment under stress test to compare thermals and not just rely on the phanteks supplied equipment. Interesting concept but the methodology seems not as transparent as I would like!
I do agree there. I trust Kyle, buuut we can't put it past a company to have their own best interests in mind when prepping test equipment,
@@ishaanm8270 exactly! perhaps some of these fans excel in other tests, not necessarily but it would have been interesting to see a variety in testing!
@SmashStomp Inc At very least real world data would provide context, i.e. this cooler ceteris paribus had temps 2 degrees lower. It's not useful data especially as there's no price discussion. Better at what cost, better by 1 degree etc. So for instance you had one of the lower rated fans and decided to swap for the phanteks one, if the performance increase is only minimal then you might be surprised.
@SmashStomp Inc I don't think that's remotely true, it would not be beyond comprehension to make a test pc out of the most common parts or a standard selection for comparison. My point here was that what does the data shown, other than db (obviously) actually mean. If a fan can move fpm how might that impact it's real world performance does 10% fpm equate to the same in degrees.
@SmashStomp Inc I don't think it's outrageous to assume that the most reviewed on Amazon case or top trending or whatever not only will be exactly what some people have but also not be niche. Don't think you quite need to be a rocket scientist to think that you pick the best sample and run with it, the sample that reflects what real people use. Not sure whether you are contrarian or what but it's not a radical idea. Especially when you state these are the parts we are using, selected to represent the average consumer
Honestly, after using the Unifan for my build, its hard to walk away from the amazing fan daisy chaining, and the performance is pretty good as well.
LMAO this test is only good to make phanteks good
to make phanteks _*look_ good
For real
oh, on phanteks test kit, their fan performs bestO lmao
best biased test ever lol
@Gareth Tucker no, the tube cant skew the results. but testing the T30 against fans that dont serve the same purpose as the t30 is skewing the results. It is a blatant ad for phanteks. They ommited the a12x25 on purpose because it would eat the phanteks while being smaller and quieter
@Gareth Tucker the major viewers know a thing or two about fans. Kyles audience is mostly young impressionable kids who only use computers to play minecraft not solidworks or any work
@@Marco-yk8kp Does that include you? I'm assuming that you watch it.
@@garytrawinski1843 yes i
I think we need a redo that includes Noctua NF-A12x25 and my personal favorite Scythe/Nidec Gentle Typhoon AP15
A fan company sends out a new fan AND a new testing machine that's only usable in really abstract non true-to-life benchmarks and - *who would've guessed it* - favors the own fan?!
even non-haters would say that this video is so damn rigged that you should take it off the platform ASAP
@I love you but sure Buddy.
The test scenario still doesn't make sense for real world use in a pc case.
But keep thinking that you are smarter than anyone else.
This is like throwing tires in a campfire and trying to find out which one is best for drifting and melts the slowest.
@I love you but talking to yourself? Nice
@I love you but yeah get off your high horse and realize that you have 0 idea about this.
@I love you but oh okay.
So where did I say this tube is rigged.
The only thing I said is that this tube make zero sense when applying the scenario to the real world.
Also what I'm wondering:
What makes you an expert on this?
Because I got my master in mechanical engineering with my main being thermodynamics.
And I'm pretty sure that I'm capable of telling you that this "experiment" with the tube (while being accurate for the test) is total nonsense when applied to a real PC build.
has he been working out? he went from your your average cute tech reviewer to even your mum calls me daddy
can't wait to see more fan testing ,hope to see what some cheep fans do . I think that this was a fair test GJ .
Good stuff, and thanks for the vid! Keep in mind, though, that this was a test on a device sent by a company to prove their own product is superior. Hopefully, the results are objective, but there's definitely possible bias in testing materials/setup.
Would be nice to see a full product line comparison from the corsair lineup seeing that they have many models with little detail on performance variance other than the RGB difference.
It would be nice to see these kind of data for more fans. Also would be nice to see fpm's results of fans at max speed regardles the noise level. (A lot of us use headphones when playing)
Nobody uses their fans at max speed it’s pointless
Hm where is the Arctic P12?
Since no one can beat the Noctua A12 everyone now is straight out copying it.
which itself was influenced by the Nidec gentle typhoon
Except that Noctua themselves are copying Nidec, kek
You know so little
LOL Noctua are the true copycats if you actually think the way you commented.
Surely this is a bad trolling attempt, right?
Noctua fanboys so butthurt 30mm fan is beating 25mm wide fans...
NF-A12x25 MASTER RACE
Would have liked to have seen more of the setups per test. 9 minutes of this video was looking at a spreadsheet
The phanteks is 30mm so the comparison is kinda skewed. Although given how new cases are structured perhaps a much bigger fan would be a good options to have.
A 50mm fan for example(if it yields better results then even bigger), given the open space new cases have currently, as its only obstruction would be the GPU in most cases and its not that close.
I guess you could always go industrial and pick up a sanyo but they are pretty loud for a machine next to you.
I’d love to see how the $10 Arctic P12 PWM stacks up.
I have those fans and love them, quiet and cool temps. I do recommend buying the 5 pack (if they ain’t out of stock)
I'd like to see how the Lian Li Unifans stack up! They've been so popular recently, I'd be curious to see if they're any good
@@kevo05s i have them and they peform amazing, but thats without hard data just personal experience
@@jonas1234163 I don't recommend buying the 5 pack because I've seen quite a few retailers selling the single fans for less than a fifth of the 5 pack, including Amazon sometimes
I recommend buying the P12 PWM PST CO which doesn't come in a 5 pack (AFAIK)
@@misatzu for me the 5 pack saved me 10 bucks, bought directly from arctic themselves
You should have summoned Steve at Gamer's Nexus. I hear he's been working on travelling via telecom rack ala Wendell.
I hear if you start talking about anything Linux Anthony from Linus Tech Tips will just materialize out of thin air and recommend PopOS before offering to help with all your tech problems. So effectively Wendell and Steve are wired teleportation and Anthony is wireless. Praise be.
all the data was great! I've always wonder how the performance of some of the popular fans performed compared to each other. keep it up kyle!
Would be good to see these fans tested in a case for thermals as well in a bunch of configs
Arctic P14 5 packs FTW!
I understand why you controlled the experiments in the way you did, however I had a thought. My GPU is insanely loud compared to my case fans so the noise of these won't really impact me. I'd like to see an experiment that standardises RPM to measure the difference in each fans airflow. Also the absolute max airflow capable regardless of RPM and noise. Finally, I had no idea how much these fans cost at time of filming so I'm not sure if these fans are in competing markets. Great video though you explained things well and I'll always come back for these kinds of vids!
Confirms my personal tests while fans were in my system. I compared ML120 to the NF-F12 and noticed lower performance with sound and airflow. Everyone always touted the Noctua being best choice for all scenarios (that was available) but all of my quick tests showed otherwise.
Now Phanteks just has to do some neat RGB and appearance on the fans so it doesn't look like something self printed. As of now, my choice is still the ML120 to get personalized RGB options.
A testing unit provided by Phanteks and somehow the Phanteks fan is the winner in every category. Totally not suspicious.
gotta love the cute little trophy in any of the charts making it even more obvious
how about the arctic p12
Phanteks paid for this, so the results must be taken with a grain of salt. I will seek more objective results before spending any money.
Even though Noctua NF-F12 is an older design, it is comparable to the other fans while running at a much lower RPM concerning airflow. But its RPM to Noise (dBA) is finally showing its age. It had a great run.
realistically this is a comparison of 3 fans.
thanks for this video, im thinking of upgrading my cooling, and this is pretty helpful.
it _would_ have been helpful if it had included the Noctua NF-A12X25 and Arctic P12
it didn't because it's an ad
nothing wrong with basing decisions on ads if that's your thing :>
The 20% in thickness and the heavier pitch fan isn’t really comparing apples to apples. To level the playing field, that should of been up against 140mm fans.
I bet they couldn’t wait to send to the test kit 😄
@I love you but
If you’re specifically testing performance, it’s obvious that the larger fan (regardless of whatever way it is made to be larger) will come out on top 🤷♂️
I’m not implying that Phanteks are at fault for anything BTW. The innovation is inspiring.
Joking aside, I’m all for lower noise and better performance 👍
What The Duck for case fans, I’d save the money and go with Arctic p12 pst co or kaze flex black (intake) and kaze flex regular (exhaust).
Would like to see comparisons at different flow/noise targets, for example at idle or low loads (where I'm sure most users will spend the vast majority of the time). Suspicion of conflicting interests aside, it would be interesting to see if other 30mm thick fans appear, given how the extra 5mm of thickness supposedly produces so much more performance.
in the meantime I'll stick with the NF A14's
I ve got 4 ml120 for 50 € so is a good value for the performance, the pro one still being 1 22 € while only one phanteks t30 costs 55€, in the us apparently costs $30. I cant complain with ml120 fans move a lot of air
Would you be planning on turning this into a multi part series? I'd love so see a huge compilation of fans
Go watch fan showdown. Major hardware
@@micahjensen7407 Yeah his series is good but I mean with fans that are commercially available.
@@CannedMarmalade He did some a12x25 knockoffs but I really want to see him do like all of them.
Please do more content like this! Things like gpu cooling mods, gpu overclocking/undervolting case mods, thermal paste testing etc!
To everyone wondering why he didn't use this fan or that fan, it's because these are the fans specified by Phanteks to use in the comparison in their "review guide" that was provided along with the testing equipment (A.K.A. "the tube"). This video should really be labeled as "Sponsored" or "Ad" to comply with FCC regulations. But Kudos to Kyle for squeezing 2 sponsors into 1 video. Look out LMG, Bitwit is matching you in the number of sponsors per video. Time to up your game!
you managed to point out the 1 thing that Kyle is really good at :>
T30 are great fans, and even if it's Noctua's fault that after 3 years we're still waiting for A12 Chromax, the standard A12 should be in this test (the F12 have almost 10 years).
Phanteks - “can I copy your homework?”
Noctua - “yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn’t look obvious.”
Phanteks - “ok”
Wow bruh it's 2021 can u stop 🙏
every one knows noctua is the best performer and quitest fan
this vis is sponsored by phanteks
> *everyone _*believes_ noctua is the best performer and quitest fan
FTFY
time to update your "knowledge" bud, the only thing that hasn't changed is that they are the most expensive among their respective direct competitors
Still wondering why no one is testing arctic p12. They are awesome
As others have mentioned, comparing noise between the fans should be done with the fans running at the same speed.
THIS.
And also, they should all have the same PWM or CFM rating. Or, all the same Noise rating.
My Noctua FNN-P12 Redux 1700 fans make only slightly more noise than the stock Coolermaster and Corsiar fans, but move 3-4 times as much air.
This was not a good test. as they should all be tested at various voltages and speeds.
What you need to test is RPM vs. Noise, and Airflow vs. Cooling. Basically looking for the most airflow and cooling vs. Noise.
Also, if the Noctua fan is undervolted, it won't perform as well as "lesser" fans. If you fully power all of those fans and retest them for their noise vs. cooling efficiency, you'll get a more true understanding of how "good" they are vs. one another. Because at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to. How much noise a fan makes vs. how much cooling it does. If one or both of those things isn't good enough for you, keep shopping.
Also the same Voltage for each. Because different voltages with different fan motors will give you different RPMs, so you could set a Target RPM as a test as well.
Whole video did sound like a spnsored one for phanteks, imo.T30 should have definitely been compared to the noctua industrial ppc ones.
that would not have been nice for noctua
*fan blows so good cpu turns to ice*
*bitwit* this is grarbage
*fan that doesn’t blow anything *
bring me my credit card, i need more of these
Early upload ? I dig it!
Using a Phanteks designed test suite to demonstrate a Phanteks fan beats the well regarded industry standard, and that the well regarded industry standard performs horribly and contradicts the findings of basically ever other fan test on CZcams...
Idk man. Idk.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I'm thinking there will be backlash on this. I just don't trust someones testing methodology who did the testing using one of the fan providers equipment that they provided...and what do you know they land on top on all his charts. 😆
Completely glossing over the fact the Phanteks fans are a design ripoff of the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoons... Zero mention of the Nidec Servo fans and using Noctua F series instead of A series (which is also a clone). Phanteks only gets points for the 5mm depth increase. I was intrigued in the beginning, but the remainder of the testing and concluding thoughts was very disappointing.
this is perfect i have literally been on amazon studying which fans i should get
Arctic make great fans. Very efficent, very quiet, very cheap. 5 Arctic P12 fans cost as much as one Noctua A12, and you can daisy chain them.
Arctic P12 PWM PST CO (for no 1000rpm humming)
I like how he releases this video about a week after I bought a 3 pack of Corsair AF120 LED fans... but hey they still work pretty great in my opinion.
@bitwit you should do one last final test where you crank up the all the fans to the maximum RPM they can deliver with the most restrictions you could realistically put against it, and THEN measure its dBs and FMP
2 final tests. The scythe GT and Noctua F12 both had pretty mediocre stats on paper, there were plenty of other 120mm fans with higher sp or higher cfm. Yet both were rated the best fans for rads because of the ratio of sp to cfm worked best vs rads resistance. Coulda slapped the end of that aio on a cpu and seen where the temp performance was at, does the Phanteks really Cool better than the Noctua. I'd rather move less air, more noisily, if it meant a drop in temps.
It would have been interesting to see temperature results, especially when refering to radiators.
I have 9 ML Pro in my 925, 6 attached to PE Rads, yet when I run them at 800 RPM, I only see 35db, and that is on a pulsar nova class 2.
Also found it odd that you picked the RGB varient over the standard ML, as they have different attributes, the non RGB has higher CFM 75 compaired to the RGBs 47. That said, it is the only fan of the 4 that has RGB.
would like to see the Arctic P12 as well here, since the price to performance value is still unbeatable imho.
You know the video is gonna be good when it takes 5 minutes to explain the setup. :) .....and I spent about 15 mins trying to find out what dB(A) is. There are a few different dB(x) designations, I came to find out. Damn good video.
Just got the Phanteks 719 and 6x T30. Planing on swapping x3 on my Nzxt Z73 top or side exhaust. And 3x front intake. Wish me luck
LL120's from corsair are also highly popular, I would like to see how it scored on the test.
Ok it's not really fair to compare a 30mm fan to 25mm fans but that doesn't make this info wrong or irrelevant.
It wasn't long ago when we were desperate for exactly this info. ~10 years ago there was 1 guy who was posting videos on his own site with anemometer and dB testing. He was THE resource in the watercoloring world.
Now we have progressed to the point that fan companies are sending anemometers in their press kits!? I call that a win. More data points= more better.
The Amazon product page for the Phanteks T30-120 doesn't say what the stock or "max" RPM rating is.
Noctua offers a 3000 RPM 120mm fan: "Noctua NF-F12 iPPC 3000 PWM" which would seem preferable for simply adding extra air cooling aimed directly at a hot-running graphics card, for example.
I filled my case with 6 Noctua NF-P14S fans, set them all to 50%, and never have to worry about noise or airflow ever again.
You say most builds won't have completely unrestricted fans, but I think the rear fan is pretty unrestricted in most cases. Maybe not totally, but they usually only have a mesh with large holes or a small grill to keep your fingers safe.
Why did you not try Noctua NF-A12x25 which would perform better overall over the NF-F12?! This test isn't completed until you test the most modern Noctua fan. On paper 0.3 less static pressure, but would perform better in most scenarios. Do again, do right. 10% thumbs down says it all..... No, I'm not a Noctua fanboiiii btw.
Can I please get an answer on this @Bitwit?
I think one important data point is ambient noise level, to measure an over ambient dBA is much more useful for most people. IE noise control test being at +15dBA over ambient rather than 50dBA total noise reading. Just posting this information in the comments would even be more useful to most people, because some people are in noisy environments already vs the ones in already quiet environments.
Great idea, I just think that simple tidbit of information would've been greatly more advantageous to end users looking at these 4 options and/or for future similar videos, if any are planned.
It was necessary to do two more measurements per fan - one at ~50cm and maybe the other at ~100cm. No one has a computer next to their head while using it.
This may be a weird comment but the color correction and saturation is amazing for this video.
This was basically a training video for people who work for phanteks. A video of yours has never made me feel uncomfortable Kyle, bad form.
Awesome! More of this in the future please!!!
👍👍👍
The only winner is whomever buys those fans without using your affiliate links
lmao
genius
Amazing that a Phanteks provided testing rig proved the Phanteks fans is the best....press X to doubt
What matters more in the output of the fan is how close the blades are to the cowling. The greater thickness could also be a legit factor but for the longer duration of time the air is within the blade/cowling system. I believe so anyhow. I think myth busters may have done an episode on this.
Thanks for the video I like things like this. Sadly RGB is one of my things so I picked up the new Lian LI uni fans and love them. They are quiet compared to the coolermaster i was running previously and the simplified cable management was a total win for me.
Comparing 4 fans, 1 being over double the price of the others and 15-20% bigger as well, I wonder in which direction this benchmark will go. Please choose the appropriate models to compare them against each other next time.
Thanks for testing the fans with filters or panels in front of them! Most testers only test fans on radiators, which tells nothing about their acoustics when used as case fans.
I hope you'll keep reviewing more fans in the same way against the Phanteks T30. May I suggest the Noctua A12x25, the Sharkoon Silent Storm, and bequiet Light Wings for the next roundup?
After trying fans from most of the big manufacturers someone turned me on to the artic p12 fans. Love them and I'm not looking back. Best of all they are priced reasonably.
Ooo, I love the new camera angle 🙌 showing off the streaming set etc.