Why Goku VS Gojo Isn’t Close | In-Depth Analysis
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- In this video, I go over what I think of Goku VS Gojo and why I think it’s incredibly one sided. With Gojo being from JJK (Jujutsu Kaisen) and having an ability called limitless allowing him to create infinity versus Son Goku. The protagonist of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT AND Dragon Ball Super and having insane powers. Who will win? Satoru Gojo VS Son Goku |
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hey so if goku has the capacity of filling an infinite void with his sheer presence as a near death imperfected ui,odds are hes aware of the actions taking place with that infinity so would that in a sense give precedence to him being able to withstand an infinity worth of knowledge and still be able to function while facing a foe who in himself held power greater than the infinity goku created
distance affects Instant transmission, as in the manga we've seen Gas having a hard time transmiting back to when they were after Goku led him off.
In the Dragonball verse hacks are countered by simply being stronger than your opponent
True
I believe the stronger an individuals ki is, the better they resist hax
Only some HAKAI can be countered by being stronger, but instant transmission can't be countered this way
@@kaloyanivanov9938Metal Cooler literally intercepted Goku mid instant transmission
@@-Hikaru._.Tykon- that isn't canon
Edit: I started a war
Honestly, Gojos powers being so deep and complex makes him a very fun character to power scale against other characters, which is probably why this debate even exists, just to see how far he can go
Exactly!
Gege is one of the best at creating powers
He uses metaphysics and astronomy to make most of his techniques
@@secoTheSonicFan Even if that were so, Goku has ultra instinct in his base form now. So if Gojo used his limitless domain expansion, Goku would still be able to move. And that's his most powerful technique.
@@secoTheSonicFan Because ki is made up of mind, body and spirit. So when your ki is higher so are the defenses for mind, body and spirit
@@secoTheSonicFan its not just dragon ball but in Naruto, Bleach and One Piece too
Goku is the equivalent of saying "yeah sure super man is strong but bat man can plan around it" but instead of planning he just punches harder
Uh no, he is the equivalent of “Guys! I figured out his weakness! We just have to hit him really really hard.”
@@andywu1981 tfs reference, nice
Hes shown to be smart at times. Remember his 1st fight with Hit?
@@andywu1981 we should hit him really hard........... Together?
Part of why Goku can do that is because Ki seems to be effectively limitless. Creation, destruction, mental attacks, space-time manipulation, teleportation, energy transmission and absorption, etc., are all possible with Ki.
In Dragon Ball, Goku and Jiren while fighting shook the entirety of the World of Void (Null Realm) which is an eternal void. Him powering up is enough to shake the World of Void, which could mean that he can still attack past Infinity in the dumbest way by simply releasing way too much ki.
that's a mistranslation, in japanese it's called the null realm of eternal darkness, it's neither infinite nor void, just a mini universe No 0 that has no suns or planets.
@@Drakno2First off, the Japanese version translates to "A world without time and space, filled with only eternity and emptiness". It's extremely vague. So you somehow taking that and calling it a "Mini universe" is itself ridiculous.
The Grand Priest held the T.O.P there specifically so it wouldn't destroy any universes. Meaning it's more durable than a universe. Calling it an "Eternal" realm implies a measurement of time. If that were the case it would be the equivalent of saying Jiren shook time while walking. Someone who can speak Japanese clearly translated that to "Infinite world of void" because that is the only way it makes sense.
@@observantbuddy translators mistranslate stuff to sound cool all the time, you're pulling the shaking time out of your ass to wank Jiren, you're also pulling the more durable than other universes out of your ass too, it could've just been picked cause there's nothing to be damaged there.
still can't beat infinity
goku can blow up the whole planet and then instant transmit to a another planet while Gojo would die cause he cannot breathe in space
I agree with your take. I think when giving both characters the most charitable arguments, Goku wipes, being as we've seen characters break through and bypass infinite dimensions in as early as the Buu saga, and characters have been light speed+ since OG Dragon Ball. I'd say something like Kakashi vs Gojo is far more interesting.
Kakashi VS Gojo would be interesting!
Kakashi would need dms in my opinion
@@Greg12839 I think the outcome depends on how you think Kamui would interact with Gojo's Infinity
Ok I don't know about infinite dimensions but you still are technically not wrong
@@Black-mx3hc Buuhan was able to scream tears into the fabric of the universe, threatening its existence (stated by daizenshu) with the universe being infinite in size. That’s most likely what he meant.
"Goku hasn't crossed infinite distance with Instant Transmission."
Goku: *instant transmissions to King Kai's place which is literally in the afterlife*
Each Universe is a macro crossem in dbs making each one infinite ♾ and goku bypasses infinity
@@PrinceRathodno1 he nearly destroying the macrocosm is literally destroying multiple infinite spaces, and he absorbed that power to base.
@@memelord8706 I know dude that also in just ssj God red form
@@PrinceRathodno1 yep.
PLUS WHILE FIGHTING GAS
The fact that, in any vs topic, goku is usually one of the fighters just shows right there how powerful he is in ANY scenario. He will always be the OG.
He is simply him
"but can he beat goku though"
He will always be the original gamer?
@@12wholepizzas13Goku solos Goku ...Goku doesn't stand a chance easy diff😂
@@12wholepizzas13 Goku (mid) is enough.
Finally, people can shut the hell up about this debate 😂😂 like damn I can’t believe they really thought Gojo would win
I think it comes from the fact most people that watch jjk dont watch any of dragon ball series. And they think Gojo can resist anything with his hax. But realistically you can blow up the planet and he'll die lol.
Well Goku's ability's work off a "energy system" which is basically just he has a bunch of energy and shoots it in a beam, which is completely different from Gojo's universe where Gojo's abilities work off a physics system that is actually explained. In a broad overview it can look like a "he is strong" description vs a "he is strong because his abilities work like this" description. Firstly, Gojo's infinity slows things down as they get closer, doesn't matter that Goku can travel multiple times the speed of light, it is still a numeric speed and can be divided by 2 until its infinitesimally small. And now the main attacks, Goku's abilities mainly consist of Ki energy being put into some sort of projectile and fired and whoever puts the most energy in can over power the other. Meanwhile, specifically hollow purple, is an ability that is explained through the physics of the jujutsu universe that it erases all matter. These abilities are very far apart in their relation as, for example, a kamehameha is a large amount of energy, and energy is heat, so its affects on other objects are vaporization, so it just turns it to gaseous form. But hollow purple on the other hand mixes the abilities blue and red, which work by creating impossible scenarios that the world must fix like negative existences and the other doing the opposite, to make a destructive force that instead of vaporizing, basically deletes crossing the law of conservation of mass. This can be illustrated as if a Hollow purple was fired at Goku and a kamehameha was fired at Gojo and these two forces collided, it would look like the hollow purple is effortlessly moving through the kamehameha with no resistance. Because, as stated before they aren't the same type of attack and when one object has the power to essentially "delete" it and the kamehame ha has no impact on it simply because it consists of ki, or energy and this can just be deleted by the hollow purple. Another aspect is that Gojo has his domain which can overflow Goku's mind because as we all know the theme around Goku is that he is stupid. This will disable him and Gojo can just do the rest as he now has a essentially brain dead body in his domain. Now to all the people who would state, "no way, he is Goku he will find a way to overcome this" or whatever, no he will not because there is a difference between powers that work on a stat system and those that work on an "absolute" scale.
Goku neg diffs that fodder
@@nikhilvijay4057 in his dreams
@@Lobnissbro really wrote a whole essay for this
Instant transmission has worked between different realms, which are arguably infinite apart. Goku casually teleports from earth to otherworld and the realm of the Gods (supreme Kai planet, Beerus's planet) and those aren't normally reachable with basic movement. If goku ever uses instant transmission to universe 6, then it will be confirmed infinite distance as the universes are each infinite, as well as a distance apart.
Goku also transcends time with raw power (seen vs Hit and to an extent in the Broly movie) so he could literally just move faster than the infinite expansion between him and Gojo (which would take time)
Didnt he actually did that ,instant transmission to universe 6 when he fight Gas
Goku solos
Exactly bruh the dead zone is supposed to be even further than a universe if he could causally do that he could do the same with universe the debate should can be teleport to a different the 7th furthers universe from him and he could do that ,Goku slams
@@TUNAKUH 💀 In this situation, people can't talk 💀💀💀
Goku didn't break time against Broly, it was Gogeta that did so.
Goku has actually crossed infinite distance instantly with instant transmission, he did it in the Cell saga.
infinity works in taking a finite space and jsut dividing it forever so its kinda like beyond infinity but then again idk
How? You mean when teleporting to king kais?
Legit teleports to otherworld instantly
@@jakebatty530 the DB universe is infinite in size and goku used instant transmission to teleport from the living universe to the after life an entirely different infinite body
teleporting isn't moving infinitely fast, its literally teleporting
The fact that Goku’s solution to fighting someone who can literally stop time was to simply power up more should give you an answer
right? Hit showed the most OP hax in the series at that point and he overcame it by just raw power alone. that speaks volume itself.
still doesnt bypass infinity@@eetfuk3571
@@eetfuk3571 no? It was because a law in verse helping him whis explained it and i don't think without Goku would have won and also in a fair 1v1 laws like these don't apply
@@Lobniss that law will still apply. power trumps everything it was proven time and time again. Sukuna killed Gojo by guess what? with the use of physical attacks. Gojo's nerd tactics stood no chance against Sukuna because Sukuna adapted into Gojo's infinity, and Goku's ability to adapt is second to none except the one who named Broly which is a topic for another day.
@@eetfuk3571 brooo sukunas dismantle existed as a pseudo 4d object due mahoraga's adaption if you really think he bested gojo by pure power you are delusional lmao
Based on what I saw with Sukuna vs Gojo, I say Gojo aint no chance at all. Gojo`s abilities is not that OP as people may think it is. Base form Goku is enough. I am a big Gojo fan. But this matchup is sooooooooooo one sided.
but wouldnt that make him able to get hit with domain expansion? If you use like moro arc goku then maybe since hes accustomed to ui but top goku wont be able to.
@@thedestroyerbird4930 Lets see, The Unlimited VOID technique of Gojo really is KINDA OP, it traps someone to a inifnite void that no one MAY able to move UNLESS, someone is stronger than Gojo(I dont remember but I think Gojo said that its the weakness of this Technique) can break through the void. Goku also have Instant Transmission, and remember that saiyans dont have any limits. They get stronger every time. They also good at adapting situations. Remember that DBZ/S can tank a Ki blast that can destroy a planet. So hurting Goku maybe a bit of challenge to goju unless you use freeza`s laser gun 😂😂.
So its pretty Obvious that Goku is indeed stronger than Gojo.
Goku is fast. really fast. The purple may not gonna hit him. And About hitting gojo because of infinity, Heck Sukuna cut the word to bypass the infinity. Actually, sukuna wins by the power of PLOT with that nonsense IMO, but if that's the case then GOKU can easily PUNCH the world?
Goku on kaioken or saiyan 1 may give us a good fight, But if you say in his saiyan 2 or 3 that even shake the world let alone GOD form or even MUI that shakes even the VOID or the Universe is not sooooo fair to Gojo.
@@stevesmith1899 ah I had no idea about the overpowering thing but even then u right.
Goku can't get past Infinity, it's that simple
@@codafetthe can, goku has crossed infinity before, I mean goku and vegetas kid was able to make a scream so powerful they broke through space and time, that alone would be wraps for gojo, since thanks to recent chapters we know spacial manipulation is enough to get past infinity, and goku is obviously stronger than his and vegetas kid
Goku beat hit while hit was quite litterally stopping time. Easy to say Goku moving beyond the speed of light breaking the laws of physics, even breaking out of reality itself. Gojo's ability similar to a black hole takes infinite time to reach basically working on the laws of universal expansion, the downside is Goku can reach places beyond time and space.
You do know that the only reason goku was able to go through hits time skip was because he had more ki right? Whis literally explained that in the manga
@speedupslowdown358 so using your logic goku would just overpower gojos hacks
@@drippyfan5977 that only works on ki based attacks tho hits time skip was ki based goku overpowered hits ki with his own and allowed him to move.
@@drippyfan5977 so by my logic no, he wouldn’t be able to do that
@@speedupslowdown358 i completely agree. Goku did that because his verse allowed it to. no human or alien in our universe can do shit like this because of the laws of physics here. So basically the character who is stronger, it the one whose universe has more potential for obsurdity
Honestly I could totally see a scenario where gokus existence rattling gojos infinity being one of those anime hype power moments you see similar to the TOP him shaking the void or when he powers up into ssj3 in the anime.
Yeah in the movie janemba when he powered up to ss3 he shook hell sand heaven and the living world. Hell and heaven is supposed to be infinite
Imagine if he went mui tui or ssjbu😂😂😂
@@c.k.7072 Universes in Dragon Ball have been calculated to be infinitely larger than a real universe which would make Goku likely around at least mid multiversal since he can possibly destroy a Dragon Ball universe if not multiple Dragon Ball universes. Ultra Instinct Goku rivaled Jiren who straight up surpasses time which is evidence for inaccessible speed and that is infinitely faster than infinite speed and would mean anything that takes infinite steps would be done by Goku in 0 time. It’s like time stop done not with an ability, but pure speed.
@@myusername3689 Nah, since their own real universe where people live is freaking small as hell.
It makes sense the afterlife will be larger.
Its doubtful to be super larger than our own.
@khulmach9662 u have discord I would explain to u how large the db universe is. Cause the living world ain't small 🤷
Gojo got killed by Sukuna LMAO! What will he do against Goku? His infinite domain got shattered by Sukuna easily! DB characters have been shattering dimensions since DBZ.
For real!
I just proved gojo one shots goku
@@I_H_M_N When did you prove that? LOL! Naruto and Bleach characters will kill Gojo, let alone Goku. JJK is a weak verse.
deaaamnnn bro what a video
congratulations !!!
you went so deep with the dimensions and all the characters techniques
10/10 video !!!!!!!
I just proved gojo one shots goku
I completely agree with your take. Although gojo has incomprehensible abilities and hax, goku is just too strong and too fast fr them to make sense against him in most cases. For instance: Gojo - being able to erase things on a molecular level vs Goku - Able to withstand erasure on a dimensional level. Gojo - Being able to make infinite space between himself vs Goku - Being able to shake infinity, cross infinity and his kids who are far weaker than him can literally shout loud enough to tear through time and space. In conclusion, goju has a lot of tricks, but goku is just too powerful for him.
Gojo would win an actual fight, these feats you listed from goku are getting in the toonforce category.
"Yelled hard enough to tear through time and space" - does not make any real sense
"Shook empty infinity" - also makes 0 sense, how can you shake something thats empty? Let alone infinite. And yes I saw the anime scene where this happened. Still made 0 sense.
"Withstood erasure on a dimensional level" (but also there's only 1 goku and he's in 1 place in spacetime, not at all like a 4th dimensional being, which is across all of space and time at once)
@@jaelonsanders5878 did you not watch dbz?
Gotenks powers up and yells so hard that it rips a hole in the fabric of space and time in order to escape the Room of Spirit and time, which is a seemingly endless space that is canonically outside of universe 7, ergo, it's own dimension. They used this hole to escape the chamber after the doorway was destroyed.
So yes, goten and trunks literally tore through time and space.
@@jaelonsanders5878 second, not only has Goku shook the entire 7th universe which is confirmed to be "endless" both he and jiren were stated to have shook the entire "null realm", which, while empty before the tournament, was given space and time by the grand priest in preparation for the Tournament of Power. This "space" was shook by jiren and Goku individually.
vegeta also exited the room of spirit and time by busting out of the dimension when the door broke. Basically powerful enough ki can rip space time apart.
@@jaelonsanders5878 Goku was able to tank a hakai ball and black hole, gojo literally got trapped in a cube and couldn't get out
Goku shook infinite empty space and the special fighting stage that can tank black holes for a few seconds in the Tournament of Power. Pretty sure if he wanted to Goku could shake infinite space hard enough to kill Gojo no matter how far or where he teleports since his body is really just that squishy for Goku's power.
Yeah that's true Goku is god-like!
No he only shook the stage
@@TheSaviorofallworlds nope he shook the entire world of void
There are characters in jjk that have withstood black holes and have black hole level durability.
These people are considerably weaker when compared to sukuna or Gojo so that means Gojo automatically has black hole level durability.
Also limitless is not infinite space. It is finite space divided infinitely.
@@TheSaviorofallworlds he shook the entire void.
Relevant things Goku has done. Punched hard enough to damage infinite space, survived a black hole which breaks things down at a subatomic level in base while exhausted, cross dimensional barriers instantaneously.
I do find it funny that when I was younger characters had powers like "I'm super stronk" then as I got a bit older the powers became "I can stop time and completely control space" and now powers are "I'm strong enough that I can punch you even though you've stopped time and control space"
Man. These guys can make every character faster than light because they flick the light switch before the light turned on XD I feel you bro
One thing to note is hakai can pass through it also goku has infinite speed due to this point because depending on how you see the hit some people think he stopped time and goku moved fast enough to go into the future meaning thats a infinite speed feat here because if time is stopped you need infinite speed to even move meaning goku can just go through his domain expansion another thing to note is i mean we can already confirm that goku shook the world of void meaning his prescence alone could probably break domain expansion
its explained how goku surpassed hit's "timestop"
It doesn’t matter how fast you move if the destination is infinitely far away. By definition there is no end point. You can’t reach it.
In the ToP, Goku powering up shook an infinite void, so I don't see how Limitless would stop him. Also, if Gojo's abilities require anything more than a thought, like hand movements, then Goku just blitz's him anyway.
Even if it requires just thought, Goku could still blitz him, once you reach a certain threshold, even the speed of thought is snailspace.
@Dexter'sstepsister he can easily bro I don’t think gojo’s six eyes can keep up with something at the speed of light far less something faster than speed of light
@@dextersstepsister8800 Dude the eyes cannot see nothing if there is no light and guess what goku is faster than light so he is technically invisible gojo won't see him, Goku gonna blitz him in less than a milisecond
Firstly, aint nobody give a FUCK about no shaking voids with voices like who cares? I'd only care if he grabbed the void and did it.
Everything else is fine, Limitless doesnt stop light particles from touching or interacting with Gojo, so moving any speed faster than light, which goku is 100% capable of, would just negate limitless.
@@TheRealGenomeld most people in the scaling community grant the shaking void as a feat but ok.
For Gojo's barrier Goku honestly might just be able to yell a hole through it considering in the Buu Saga SS3 Gote KS and Super Buu yelling made a 2d person sized portal between earth and the time chamber then later Buuhan yelling was affecting the universe and SSG Goku from BoG is on an entirely new level than even a BoG SS3 Vegito
But Goku isn’t buu . There’s no evidence goku has that in his arsenal.
@@nomus1172 it's basically the same feat that Buu and Gotenks did earlier just now on a universal scale. Plus in Super Vegeta blows up the entire chamber and is sent back to Earth and destroying the door seals you in so it would be greater than what was shown in the Buu Saga
Vegeta/Goku (Black Arc) > SSG Goku> Vegito > Buuhan > Super Buu/Gotenks
@@collinleivas9605 like I said Goku isn’t buu . He can’t scream a hole between dimensions . I’m specifically talking about gokus feats not other characters.
Most of gokus anti hax feats come from overpowering time related hax . And gohten and trunks are hybrids. They are potentially way more powerful than goku .
@@nomus1172 if Gotenks who DBS Hoku scales above and isn't a Majin race thing like Buu can scream open a portal between dimensions why can't Goku who can destroy the entire dragon ball universe with a punch
@@nomus1172 In this instant, we use scaling, Gotenks and Super Buu were able to rip a hole through HTC dimension in order escape it by screaming alone. Heck, BUUHAN did the same thing but the hole was universal in size and SUPER VEGITO was able to tanks attack with the same amount of power no problem. And Goku in Super, FAR outclass a SUPER SAIYAN 3 VEGITO in base form, can oneshot a SS3 Gotenks (courtesy of Copy Vegeta). Hell, even Vegeta himself (who is relatively close to Goku) casually destroyed the HTC dimension in his base that one time in the Goku Black Saga. And you think the CURRENT Goku cannot do these feats? All of these feats were performed by sheer strength alone, not by any technique. So if a person WEAKER than Goku in every way can do it, so can Goku.
This is the kind of video that renews my faith in a world that I once thought was full of people who underestimate goku ever since the goku vs superman debacle.
If I remember right, goku and beerus's clash was threatening to destroy realms that were separated from the mortal realm by more than infinite distance.
Not only that, but as stated in this video, Goku was able to Kamehameha through to a different dimension.
I believe there are more feeds to back this sort of thing up, but I think these two are enough to conclude that ki can travel infinite distances, Even if Goku cannot, which I am pretty sure he can.
So potentially Goku shoots a ki blast that within a few seconds reaches gojo and kills him.
well i did scale gojo to outer in live action let alone manga buddy
@@zoomism111 Coolio howdya do that friendo?
@@daltsu3498 lemme explain
tengen sama in s2 ep 2 was stated to be a higher dimensional character , gojo is the 2nd strongest after sukuna which is still above tengen sama who's without cosmo alreay 5-dimensional via higher existence
y i think outer is because i think the verse may be high hyper , better safe than sorry though we can just conclude this 5-d for now
@@zoomism111 no offense but that's the dumbest scaling I've ever heard(second only to average Saitama fanboys). Being 5D doesn't even make you multi let alone outversal. JJK is capped at universal at the highest possible cap
Raw power: Goku, no competition.
Destructive power: Goku, with little competition from Gojo's Hakai imitation.
Hax: Gojo, but it's really close since Goku still has Hax powers of his own like teleportation and UI.
Experience: Goku, wth little competition from Gojo who fought many strong curses and magicians, but Goku fought basically every type of opponent there is (Robots - cyborgs - biological monsters - martial artists - Aliens - Demons - Magicians - Gods - Dinosaurs - Criminals - monsters - terrorists etc....)
Goku has officially fought 3 opponents who are millions of years old. Buu, Beerus and Moro. All of that despite being a mortal being.
@@observantbuddy and yet he couldnt solo fatherhood, scaling fatherhood as boundless- nah im joking please dont powerscale and highball goku then tell me you're low balling him when you reply to me.
@@namelesseditz-vq2ix fun fact Goku is a far better father than naruto and sasuke combined. Oh and hes literally the father of all anime too. I get that you hate him from the bottom of your heart which is pathetic to begin with but playing victim is even more pathetic but I get u probably watched DBZ abridged and watched Goku vs Jiren on yt shorts so it makes sense and no one even mentioned powerscaling you sad attention seeker
@@observantbuddy beerus isbarely 700 years old sir
@@makotomurazakieng6219 Beerus is 10s of millions of years old. Hes ancient.
The thing people don't know about IT is that it puts Goku in a dimension that allows him to move at infinite speed from point A to point B. So yes, Goku would be able to get to Gojo. Quite instantaneously even
It’s not infinite, it’s dividing a finite space infinitely. There’s a huge difference being that no matter how close you get to Gojo it will always be divided, goku would instantly get divided away from him.
@@slip3196 Granolah himself also stated that it was a technique, so take that as you will. It seemed to allow you to travel between two points in negative time somehow though
@@slip3196 It was more like he waited out goku's stamina in UI.
Depends on whose infinity is larger
@@justagoodcook3390 Gojo would disintegrate before the space would be divided, from Goku's sheer energy.
While some hax are obviously "stronger" than others, they are still only proportionally strong to the user in question. In this case Gojo using their world's equivalent of ki to bend space in his favor, there's no reason no one else could use equal or more energy in that intentional way to overcome his bending and "bend it back." Or rather, overcome the force he's generating. in which case Goku could most likely accomplish this.
With Hit in DBZ while they say he's "stopping time." but its truly hyper acceleration, everyone just perceives it at his stopping time because their perception isnt as fast as Hit's. Goku's speed was comparable enough on tandem with his prediction capabilities to thus "overcome" the time stop. If someone was both not fast enough and can't predict well enough they will get hit by Hit. otherwise Hit would literally never lose if he was actually accessing some "universal pause button."
Back to Gojo and Limitless even if he did manage to trap Goku in limitless for even the briefest moment, I don't think Gojo's artificial space could contain Goku and his power, it might literally shatter before any effects could take hold. Yuji was able to physically smash his way into one, it stands to reason Goku to smash out of one. And even if some information "made it in." he fights at such intense speeds that barely any time passes but it's normal for him, this was happening as early as the frieza arc. "5 minutes till Namek blows up." It just feels "normal speed" cause we're seeing it through Goku's eyes. meanwhile reacting at mach speeds in JJK is "incredibly impressive"
All in all, Goku takes the W imo, that being said Gojo isnt weak at all, Goku is just that ridiculously strong by comparison
In your opinion? Bro this fax
Goku quickly BLOWS UP the earth
Then he TELEPORTS using instant transmission to a planet that has AIR.
Gojo SUFFOCATES to death.
Case closed 🤣🤣🤣
Then change the name of Goku to gayku😂
Sounds like something Freiza would do...
Goku has no planetary feat
@@kevinlezo1046 cell knew goku would blow up the earth with his kamehameha if he hadn't used instant transmission.
@@kevinlezo1046he shook the entire universe
Considering people stronger than Gojo can hit through his infinity strongly suggests Goku could just delete him 💀
When did that happen? I don't recall Gojo being hit through infinity because someone was stronger?
Go put a crack in dimensions fam
That’s…not true. The only way to hit through infinity was Domain amplification.
Literally no one has actually hit him the only time gojo drops the infinity is when he sees pseudo geto and goku isn’t smart enough to use those kind of tactics
@@kevinescobar370goku iq might be low but his fighting iq is kinda smart
I saw or heard somewhere that reality altering / complex abilities could be completely overpowered depending on power level. Escaping Hit's time freeze should be logically and physically possible, but Goku was simply stronger than him and was thus able to do it. So my guess is that Goku would just be able to somehow ignore or overpower Gojo's abilities
Ignore no, overpower yes. Put simply Goku massively scales above a Jiren that shook an infinite void without exerting himself. If we imagine Gojo's ability as a house with infinite rooms, Gojo can throw Goku's attack in any room in that house while he's safe in his, well if Goku scales above infinity then it would look something like every room in that house being full of goku's attack at the same time and Gojo no longer has anywhere safe to go.
That's how it works in dragon ball. Sometimes. Idk exactly how stone spit would work
ignore yes
cry kid just cry@@divineroadrunner
You just need to be faster than light to surpass the freeze
In early super, goku was able to deflect attacks from someone jumping forward in time. Either the time skip counter is really strength just based (he would have to be stronger than a best in the universe assassin who was literally called "never miss hit" as he has never failed to kill a target until goku) or he was literally that fast, either way any fight that would happen would be cool af
Not just early super, hit was a character that has been around for the entire series
Gojo's skillset is so well thought out. As a physics student I like Gege's take on infinity and the repercussions of Imbuing False or virtual mass into a space to create attacks.
It's honestly incredible that Gojo's technique is so physics-based.
@@juliusnovachrono4370 not only gojo's, but all of jjk is insane. Iirc, gege asked for the help of professionals multiple times just to make sure that certain fights and abilities were scientifically accurate
Goku still claps him like jelly
@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411 allat just for it to be like every other generic shonen jutsu
@@rockstar-made cap but sure you do you buddy, keep crying ig
Yeah I agree with your take. Both super buu and super saiyan 3 gotenks were able to break through the hyperbolic timechamber which was infinite in size by just screaming which current goku in base far surpasses in power. The concept of infinity isn't really new in db. I think Saitama would be a better debate against gojo.
exactly even thought the time chamber was infinite gotenk just made a tear / pocket to escape. so by this even if goku was caught in good infinite void he should be able do make a pocket/ tear and escape king of like virgil with the Yamato in devil may cry
And to that both gotenks and trunks are not in any way an exceptional prodigy warrior like Gohan. Yet there fusion was batshit insane strong.
Do you think making a portal means you can bypass infinite space? The distance would just get infinite once you left the portal...
@@jaelonsanders5878 no that like buu escaping the time chamber which is infinite and there was no escape gokj would just punch a whole and walk through it to get out just like how vergil from dmc uses the Yamato to open tare in reality and walks through
@@jaelonsanders5878
If the portal destination is inside Gojo, problem solved.
didn't whis say hax abilities in the DB universe only work at 100 percent on those relative or weaker than yourself? so wouldn't that kind of apply to Goku and infinite void? the effects would still be there but shouldn't they be drastically weaker
@@anitrilogy lol nah bruh gojo attacks wouldn’t affect goku and also goku is much faster than him and also if we go by the manga goku could hakai the whole verse and this hakai can destroy you and erase you out of existence
@@homomagii fax
Yeah the hax sucks in dragon ball . Like most of them just stop time. It would be interesting .
Gino’s hax infinity basicly floods your brain with so much knowledge and sensations that you can’t process it .
@@homomagii
1. domain expansion
2. you clearly havent watched or read dragon ball if you think gokus gonna destroy an entire universe to beat one guy (who isnt even evil)
@@homomagii weird to see you not in shorts.
you have to remember even gojo realises his infinity dosent work against things he does not understand. after killing toji when he was explaining his powers he specifically said he is still working to prevent any poisonous thing to prevent entering his barrier and that he needs to research it more to completely block it off meaning gojo cannot block elements he does not understand or realises. meaning he does not have any defence against ki,mana, haki anything since they are all different with how they are structured so no gojo can be hurt by any other energy users outside his verse
when comparing animes you have to give them the same power system and make some adjustments. just like mana would function as ki agains goku so does cursed energy. it's the only way to actually compare 2 verses. if you dont take this into consideration than ichigo would slam literally any character in db as they cannot see him
@@kimjongun100bsubsorillkill5False.
You don't actually have to equalize the power systems. However, people do it anyway to make the battle more fair.
@beevstew1896 you can decide not to equalize the power systems, but the comparison becomes awful and completely not reliable
@@kimjongun100bsubsorillkill5 but that is how gojos powerset works if he understands the energy he is being subjected only then he can defend against it. If they ever were to meet gojo can't defend against goku period so this dumb arguement about goku not being able to reach gojo dosent even work in the first place
@@Pinakiprime910 ki is extremely simple as energy type. even krilin was able to use it so gojo would 100% understand it
Gojo: Infinite Domain Expansion
Goku: Infinitely empty brain (Punches gojo into dust)
I just proved gojo one shots goku
I’m pretty sure we will see the faults of gojo power when he fights sakuna
imagine him copying fu==-ing limitless
Fights Sukuna? Lmao
@@PrinceRathodno1 sukuna doesn’t copy abilities
@@blacksheep6415 I think he can I know it's not confirmed only 2 technics of his are revealed and 1 domain expansion.
@@Pimpmister78 ???
In dragon ball hacks don’t matter in the face of raw strength all hacks meet there match at some point considering gojo only being island level there’s no way he can oppose some that’s universe+ heck I’d find it hard to believe he can take on someone planetary+ in dragon ball but if we’re going off of jjk rules he might if they don’t have the hacks unless of course his opponent speed blitz him before he really has a chance to do anything
For the sake of these videos, I can’t let that be an argument because the video would just be over in like a minute.
@@ToasterXD I get it, get that bag bro 😂
All dragon ball Hax are trash Hax that are directly tied to the user's raw power/ability.
There not real hax, its just raw power disguised as hax.
Gojo can't be speed blitzed unless you have something to nullify infinity, which most characters don't have
@@log5531 he very easily can. As said in the comment, in the dbz universe, hacks are ignored if the person is too weak, and even if they couldn't goku can instantly reach Gojo with the Instant Transmission *and he can even just reach him by running through raw speed.*
Goku has been seen doing feats of impossible speed quite a few times, and has been seen breaking through both time and space to hit his opponents. If you count filler and the movies it's not even a competition, with how unbelievably fast he goes (including flying from earth to hell, which are two, separate, infinite dimensions, in a few seconds and fighting during Instant Transmission, which, by design, is instantaneous.)
Sure, Gojo with Infinity is very hard to Speed Blitz for non teleporters, but Goku is one of the people this argument simply does not work on.
Very nice reasoning, although I think even if goku could Instant transmission through infinity I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t stop moving through it since if there’s one halfway there will be another, and ect. , I’ve also see people say he could because toji was able to hit him, huh toji had the inverted spear of heaven. Very nice take👍
great video. loved that you gon in details of all the points that matter to the fight and taking into account the "ultimate moves" or power ups... the instant transmission theory doesn't work because Goku sense "KI" and not "energy" as you mentioned, so that's out of the table even with the "fallen under appeal to ignorance" doesn't apply because the conditions don't meet for him to be able to instant transmission. But even if it did, even if Goku could sense Gojo "energy" (which could only be life force or something because goku cannot sense cursed energy or reverse cursed energy, which is the only thing gojo has, like every other jujutsu sorcerer. its "infinite" its not a very big distance light millions of lightyears. it's Infinity it self, so goku could never instant transmission. as for the limitless void, it's a Domain Expansion that garantes hitting the target no matter then attack. and the only way to take out of that is either taking the hit and live and hope that the curse energy of the user runes out before you die, of to put out your own domain expansion... its in the manga :) but still great video i also think goku would comeout on top because he could probably take the hit and just keep on fighting. it would be a hell of a battle that i would pay to watch. And lastly, doing a Saitama vs Goku is just a short video saying saitama wins ez :)
General blue in the original dragon ball had the ability to freeze anyone he made eye contact with, thus was negated by Mercenary Tao simply being stronger than him, let's be generous and say general blue has a PL of 1 and that Tao is somehow raditz level (1000) if goku only needs to be 1000 times stronger than his opponent to break had well..... 1000x is really small starting freeza saga
Its not actually freezing him physically, its the mental charge of infinite knowledge that absorbs 1000000% of his brain capacity. UI is enough to counter that, no need to search that deep imo.
@@chaad1046 Jokes on you, Goku has no brain capacity. Infinity times zero is still zero. Ez win (/s obviously)
@@chaad1046 goku is probably too stupid for that to work
@@chaad1046 wrong it’s dividing him and gojo finite times in a infinity domain doesn’t matter though goku can just break out of it
An average farmer at the start of DBZ was at power level 5. So general blue would be a good 60-100 cuz he wasn't as strong as kid Goku when they fought, and same for cyborg tao, he was nowhere near as strong as king piccolo at 260 against kid Goku before he died.
Not downplaying Gojo or anything, but UI Goku was stated to shake infinity when he first awakened, and now he's much stronger, so he might be able to have some counter or resistance to infinity voids
gojo is not even ssj level
@@mattmysterious866 if its dbs ssj then yes, if its dbz then no possibly ssg but ssg possibly if you want him to win
@@thxio7226 ssj namek solos gojo easily , not even saitama is ssg level
@@mattmysterious866ok you overreacting lil bro
@@mattmysterious866Saitama is ssj 2 cell saga lvl quit the down play bud.
Goku could just use"Hakai" and the debate would he over.
Vegeta use hakai not goku , goku has mui , base goku is 4D >>jjk negative diff
@@Your_real_dadYou were wrong, Goku has both MUI and Hakai, also base Goku is well above 4d
tbh Goku could just hakai the cursed energy that makes the infinity barrier and it would be raps for Gojo and not only just the barrier but Gojo at the same time
Goku is a rookie in using the Hakai power, he used a replica/cheap copy of it in the manga, and never used it in anime, so chances are: he can't use it against something like infinite space .... maybe a seasoned Hakai user like Beerus would know how to use i better, but new users like Goku, Vegeta, and Toppo have little to no chance.
@@belalabusultan5911 true but we know Vegeta is going to master it since he is training under Beerus
@@GokuSolosAnime already has bro
@@belalabusultan5911 you realize gojo is not actually using infinite space right? He is using his cursed energy to basically put a condensed barrier of "infinity" around himself basically the infinity energy barrier is not technically infinite although it alsi is but gojo is not using infinite cursed energy ti make the barrier Goku should be able to just erase it also so what if it is not as good as Beerus's it should still work on cursed energy, right?
@@pokeballblaze9835
Goku probably can destroy cursed energy and cursed beings, he can't see them, but he can sense them.
the problem with Infinity is that it's just too complicated to understand.... I do believe Goku will find a way, but that way will not be the Hakai.
Goku can make his universe shake WITH A PUNCH at SSG. Goku has broken through Hit's space dimension, he did that at SSGSS Kaioken. Goku can manifest a GIANT SUSANO like form from his body while Unconscious that has been only shown twice and NOTHING has been close to that power as we have seen.
The OC I made up as an 11 year old could BREAK TIME BY SNEEZING: isn't that cool?
@@sumanoskae cope
@@shaziausman8708 lol with what?
@@sumanoskae keep coping
@Shazia Usman I'm trying but the sheer weight of your insipid comments is drawing my attention.
Seeing that gojo literally just got bisected by an attack that targets space time and gokus punches can likely shatter reality (see gogeta vs broly breaking reality) I think goku takes this pretty easily now
So, how's this fight doing after the Sukuna incident?
Goku can also use the Hakai (although it's obviously not perfected like Beruus' version), as seen in the Manga in his fight Vs Fused Zamasu, so that's another thing that can easily bypass Limitless. And that happened a really long time ago, he's more experienced and far more powerful now. Not to mention, DB characters negate hax just by being stronger than the opponent.
it's not canon tho
it would still be intersting ngl
@@CKduah17 Goku doing Hakai is definitely canon, it's in the manga which Akira works a little more closely on with Toyo
@@jonathanbatista6135 i still wouldn't consider it canon cuz toriyama only gives toyotaro plotbeats as to where the story goes everything in between is left entirely up to toyotaros interpretation, so toyotaro putting in hakai doesnn't neceserily mean it's canon as we haven't heard toriyama acknoledge it (sry for my shit spelling lol)
@@CKduah17 Unfortunately, your take is completely irrelevant
It's in the manga, and toriyama doesn't have to acknowledge something in order to actually make it canon. just putting it in the manga should already indicate that it is fully canon
One feat often overlooked is that goku literally shook the world of void which has no space/spacetime and also the fact that he moves in it so yeah... Also goku literally knows hakai and has used it to which for the reasons said in the video, simply outscales the limitless. There are many ways gojo gets merked
hakai isn't canan
@@Idomtknow47282 i wouldn't consider it canon cuz toriyama only gives toyotaro plotbeats as to where the story goes everything in between is left entirely up to toyotaros interpretation, so toyotaro putting in hakai doesnn't neceserily mean it's canon as we haven't heard toriyama acknoledge it, this is supported by the fact that the anime didn't have such a scene either. (sry for my shit spelling lol)
@@Idomtknow47282 once toyotaro took over it's been alot more difficult to know what's canon and what isn't, you can see this first hand when comparing any arc in the anime to the manga where both have vastly different interpretations to essentially the same plot, but they both produced different circumstances such as ssjbkkx10 being an anime only form and perfected ssjb for the manga, the only way to definitively know whether something is canon in super is if toriyama writes it or we wait for the anime adaptation of the manga so far and find exact scenes to match with, that will tell us what's 100% canon.
@@Idomtknow47282if you mean in the context of the manga sure but outside of that? hell no this is probably going to be treated the same way as ssjbkkx10 where it was canon in the context of the anime but everything outside of that there's no mention of it because it just isn't canon outside of the anime.
Like i said before just because it exists in the manga doesn't make it canon overall.
have a nice day
@@CKduah17were you on drugs while typing this💀 DBS Anime is basically a adaptation of DBS manga earning everything that happens in the manga is Canon because it is original work.
This. This is what people don't understand about DBZ. The scale is so much bigger than anything else, that trying to compare it to anything else becomes meaningless. In Naruto they deal with Island level abilities for most big hitters. And we travelling instantaneously between two points a few miles away, at the quickest. Or there's Saitama jumping from the Moon back to Earth in a few seconds. JJK like you said, at best star level. Dragonball sits up, cracks it's knuckles and asks, "How about all of the stars? Like 12 times over? Oh and extradimensional beings capable of altering reality at will?" The scale difference between a single star and even a solar system is ORDERS of magnitude more significant than that of a star and a single planet. I did the math: The sun is 864,000 miles in diameter, The rough estimate for the size of the solar system (if you include the Oort Cloud) is 12 TRILLION MILES. That's 2 Light Years across. Is that big enough? Dragonball says no. How about the 100,000 Light Years across Milky Way galaxy. Makes that jumping from the moon thing seem kinda trivial doesn't it? And that's just one galaxy. Just the tip of the iceberg for Dragonball.
“Through out heaven and earth, I am totally fucked”
-Gojo, probably
Goku, remember that golden frieza' presence alone killed some of his soldiers, it means just have energy surrounding a person can kill them, so if we debate that gojo is a human with special abilities, just goku' presence if he appeared next to him faster then he can response he will win, no mental attack would work as he trained his mind so most options for defeat are gone
Why hasn't he killed Burma or chi chi by mistake when he powers up then they have been there to watching fight on multiple occasions including the rest of the Z fighters
@@Six-bw3ir Goku seems to have extremely high control over his Ki. Like when he was hurt by a rock hitting his head despite having the power to destroy a universe
@@Bear0601 Exactly. More proof would be future trunks' first appearance. Despite being stronger than Goku on Namek who was at 150 million, when the soldiers checked his power level it was at 5. Which is equal to farmer with a shotgun that raditz comes across when he first comes to earth. So pretty much everyone has extreme control over their ki in dragonball. Even the fighters like Krillin who are also capable of destroying the whole planet accidentally.
@@Bear0601 rock level
wouldn't the energy around gojo be negated because of infinity? it wouldn't reach him, its kinda his whole thing. And for his mind, It wouldn't matter unless you can process literal infinite amounts of information, having your mind trained wouldn't matter in this case. As shown in the manga 0.2 seconds is 6 months of information, I personally don't believe goku has enough "mental endurance" to withstand the full extent of gojo's inifnity.
gojo's domain expansion would sadly force goku to use MUI since that happened in the granolah arc where he snaped into it out of a need
Goku in base has the strength to destroy multiple infinite universal sized structures. He'd beat him with ease, at his current strength.
@@rafi_sensei5421Facts. Gojo might as well not exist.
Goku only needed MUI because Moro was also multiversal level. Dragonball hacks can be countered by raw power, seen with Majin Vegeta getting the boost from Babidi's "mind control", but then Vegeta basically said "fuck you" to the mind control magic just by flexing his power
Here's the deal, his mind wouldn't be clear. I don't think Goku would be able to access Ultra Instinct while thinking about EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE. I mean, the whole idea of the form is focusing on the fight alone and letting Your body just go with the flow. Gojo's domain is a hard counter to UI.
@MineDan Taken goku would just need base. And suppressed.
I love how when something serious like the end of the world, people struggle to find a solution but when it’s Goku vs gojo all of a sudden the brightest minds are against each other 😂
What a time for this video to get recommended to me
Majin buu saga changed so many thing. We learned with a good ki Technic you can even slap away magic itself. I know gojo not using same magic as buu but remember in granolah saga goku said never use same thing againts a saiyan twice that race learn damn fast when it comes to fight
also in the Buu saga with a good enough ki technique you can rip through dimensions
Its honestly crazy how strong Goku has become and also Vegeta. Goku now being able to get into UI at will and has a better understanding and mastery of it. Vegeta now has access to, and I shit you not, Ultra Ego. Increasing him to an insane level but with every bit of damage he takes he converts it into strength pushing him to Goku's level. On top of that Piccolo and Gohan have new forms via the new DBS movie(granted this may not be cannon to the manga yet but is cannon to the anime) with Orange Piccolo being stronger than ToP UI Goku and Beast Gohan being nearly infinitely stronger than that. Beast Gohan was able to repel an attack with just his Aura that would have bodied ToP UI Goku. And of course their is Broly who has fallen behind some but has limitless potential much like Gohan.
Just so you know, anime canon technically now precedes over manga canon as they are written by two different people, anime canon being written by toriyama. I personally though would just say they are seperate versions of goku like how superman has multiple different verisons
@@DeadLog It's been confirmed to be canon to the manga. But you're not wrong. I feel like the anime continuity is essentially the same as the manga but with filler.
Fast forward to now and super hero is in manga lol
The fact that sukuna whooped gojo just by using spatial manipulation shows that goku would whoop gojo since characters right from the buu arc were already capable of shattering space.
I'm hyped for the archie sonic video. He deserves so much more coverage than I've seen.
You and me both!
@@ToasterXD when is it? btw
W video because you dont just hype one character and leave the other with no defense. You give very valid arguements for both to make it fair as possible. Subscribed
I think the domain expansion would make goku stronger just because a saiyan is constantly learning and evolving he would definitely absorb some of that info
Thats not how that works. Mostly any entity who isnt omniscient cant stand all the knowledge in the universe all at once flowing into their mind, it essentially fries their brain and turns it to goop. That being said goku is fast enough to dodge and get out of limitless void (or just break out of it with the 0.2 seconds that it takes to effect his brain)
Majin Buu was able to put a hole in the hyperbolic chamber which is dimensional in nature. Vegeta in his current level is able to destroy it regularly. DBZ characters have the ability to get past dimensional restrictions.
Goku's massive speed advantage isn't the only issue for Gojo, but it's also the corresponding pace at which he perceives reality. Gojo having to activate all of his abilities in front of Goku, would appear from Goku's perspective to all be happening so slow that it would be barely happening at all. So at will, Goku could just beat Gojo before any of his abilities even activate. Even Infinite Void would only work on Goku (maybe) so long as Goku let's Gojo complete it. Goku can destroy it with the force of his ki before it completes, which from his perspective would all be unfolding in immense levels of slow motion.
Or (if he he has one which i think he does) to get past limitless he needs to use an attack with no mass nor velocity (because limitless detects mass and infinitely slows it down) so, if there is something like that in gokus arsenal he can get past limitless easily.
Limitless’ speed is based on Gojo’s brain’s processing power@@Palagrizofnira. Hoku would literally be too fast.
There is the argument that Goku has infinite-inaccessible speed which would bypass infinity as he could move an infinite distance. That mostly stems from the multiple infinite statements about the macrocosm although it can turn into a heated debate. Then there's the fact characters have resisted hacks through raw strength like the Hakai, telekinesis, mind control, space time manipulation etc... But I do agree with practically all the Goku stuff you said. Very solid video
I have one question. Since the Moro arc is after Broly movie and dbs super hero wouldn't that make current manga Goku stronger than the anime? I know they kinda went two different routes with the anime and manga for dbs but wouldn't that still make me right?
@@zeno_xy9669 the way, I see it. Is that the anime became its own continuity because after partway in the Goku black arc, the anime passed the manga so it was always playing catch up. Toriyama and Toyotaro basically gave the studio a guideline which they interpreted their own way. Now that the manga is multiple arcs ahead, it could be that they fuse more for a lack of better term. I think all the same events and major points will happen in the anime but if it stays somewhat its own Continuity, then the anime is just going to be stronger when it catches up to those points. You can make the argument that the manga is stronger as of right now though
@@zeno_xy9669 in the anime goku absorbed ssg to base form in the manga he didnt and the arcs arent the same with manga and anime (in the manga he doesnt have the feat of shaking the universe) so he is weaker i would scale his transformations to uni+ up to multi but base he must be multi galaxy to low uni while in anime base he is high uni
@@argy7526 I mean there isn't anything that says he didn't absorb ssjg in the manga too, although it's never stated he could've done it as well
@Argy97 And he did shake the universe with Beerus in the manga, I read it not too long ago
Pretty sure Hakai doesn’t require contact when perfected, and I think goku may have reached that point. Pretty sure it simply works as “you decide it’s destroyed and it is, unless they’re stronger than you” am I wrong?
@Potato Soup yeah like sidra destroyed entire city with his hakai. not sure if it was filler but i think u can still count it.
@@senpai5175 Goku in the manga didn't make contact with Zamasu when he was doing it. And I don't THINK Gojo can regen
@@cavelstone9545 thats what im trying to say. You dont need to be in contact to use hakai
@@cavelstone9545 Gojo can regenerate.
He has reverse curse technique on 24/7
@@khulmach9662 Oh, then if he can MAYBE interrupt Goku while he's erasing him, then he can survive Hakai. Vegeta or Broly would probably do whatever they need to to kill him
It’ll always be insane how people try to argue this topic
The fact that Goku can move with time stopped means the distance is a non-factor to him in this kind of situations
As long as his attacks have mass and velocity they will be infinitely slowed down, so speed isnt the factor here
Goku could potentially be able to just power through the infinite space considering that in the ToP Goku's energy alone was enough to shake all of the infinite world of void but that probably can't be used in an argument like this because we haven't seen him do anything else comparable since
Actually, in the earliest arc of DBS, the Battle of The Gods. SSJG Goku clashing punches with a heavily suppressed (originally 70% but was retconned) Beerus caused the entire universe to shake and would be completely destroyed if it continued, which it itself was a macrocosm, which scales far higher than ordinary infinity as it has multiple infinite spaces within its infinity (the kai realm, the afterlife, the living universe are all infinite in size).
An important aspect of this is the compatibility and reactions of the two power systems (jujutsu/cursed energy v. ki etc) They are fictional energy systems but one can argue that even encountering the other has interesting outcomes. Would Jujutsu users be able to grasp and even use Ki and vice versa. It is an interesting discussion and one that is hard to have definitive objective viewpoints on
Yes, power system equalization is required for cross verse battles
@@ToasterXD I disagree slightly as equalizing can cause power scaling issues.
TLDR: depends on how you define equalize and how that equalization is applied.
You just have to define if they can interact and how they can interact. Like how in real life with Physics you can examine the interaction between forces at one scale to infer how forces at a different scale behave(like how basic physics understanding relates to but not always matches quantum physics)
For example, If a power system is based on a soul ie bleach, or when an anime character is a ghost another power system can but not always has a system for interacting with a ghost/spirit etc(If "character a" can punch a ghost/spirit or something similar then you can infer "character b" who is a ghost can be hit and isn't intangible to "character a" attacks. You can equalize and/or make things conditional based on a power system's properties and traits.
@@d.a.f.for example, Goku would be able to sense Gojo’s Cursed Energy, Gojo would also be able to put Goku in a Domain. Another thing is, Goku would be able to push back Gojo’s purple technique. Things like that, otherwise it’s just all messy and doesn’t really make sense
@@d.a.f.bleach is a bit weird. There’s ways to make it equalized because if not it just isn’t fair.
brutally underrated comment
Ultra Instinct is like a meditative state, so any psychic effects or manipulations would be negated, especially since Goku is a martial artist, he's practiced mediation and shit so he's had very strong mental fortitude since OG Dragon Ball
something powerscalers have been doing with db recently is finding the closest version of goku matchup. if gojos limitless ability requires him to perceive his opponent then Goku in the king piccolo arc blitzes and would probably negate his hax at this point. if not then i think instant transmission is still on the table considering infinite distance isn't anything if you can just ignore space altogether. but if you don't count that then buu saga characters were blowing holes in reality to jump through dimensions so there's that
Also Goku has Beyond infinite speed, because he’s faster than time itself as shown by him being able to negate time skip, being able to move in space where time doesn’t flow and also beating jiren who is stated to transcend time.
Not to mention that Dragon ball characters have Hax and ability negation, where for example if Goku is physically stronger than you none of your Hax will work on him, but the video would be 6 seconds long if you included that so I understand 😂
It absolutely would be over very quick if I went over that haha
If he's beyond infinite then how come he's capable of being outpaced by other characters? He has time stop resistance, he isn't 11d or whatever tf you guys always claim.
So basically if you include a DB character in a fight you murder all nuance and there's nothing to talk about. Riveting.
@@KumaMisogi ok and you know how strong Dragon Ball Characters is and how strong Dragon ball villain is Downplayers
@@Shadow-mr3uj he’s not “beyond infinite speed”. He has resistance to time stop. That’s like saying Jotaro from JJBA has “beyond infinite speed” because he can move in time stop. Makes zero sense if other characters in DB can outpace Goku.
Doug you should keep making video’s, these are super well made, and if you get a good mic you’ll get up there in views
The fact the both ki and conceptual powers are used in dB history but everyone thinks it's just ki only shows how little they pay attention to things.
There are witches, wizards, and gods with magic that doesn't even count as using ki at all in DB.
Goku already bested concepts like time, magic, which actually did give him trouble and more.
Like Goku defeating hit was absolutely a Ki based feat and a feat of overcoming the concept of time being slowed or stopped.
What's conceptually faster than the time we are capable of perceiving?
Anything that achieves beyond light speed will immediately begin to outpace Hit.
So it's a simple break of the concept but come on, dB isn't known for being very complicated.
Just pointing out that saying concept powers aren't used in dB is an intellectually dishonest statement.
In jujutsu they already allowed Gojo to be taken out by a cut through spacetime.
That's fancy for well beyond light speed.
Because particles going well beyond light speed already cut through spacetime.
In fact you or I swinging our arms around cuts through spacetime technically.
But anyways Goku has defeated a character that stops time itself as a concept. Not just space which can effect time.
Hit manipulates time itself.
If Goku beat that then theoretically Gojo is nothing but the same thing with slightly different attacks and a slightly different method that achieves the same goal of stopping something.
Hit has also already pulled people into something akin to a domain and it was shattered.
So please explain why gojos domain would be a key factor when the equivalent of domain in dbz has already been shown defeated.
Goku overpowered the equivalent of a domain and when Jiren met that same power he shattered it with his force of presence alone.
Two times a domain like concept has been squashed in db.
Goku has the raw strength and speed to out-do the concept of infinity according to statements from Elder Kai when Goku goes into UI for the first time. Its stated that "its as if the *entire* realm is shaking." This is interesting primarily because we're already told that the Null Realm, where the ToP takes place, is infinite, so Goku's mere presence shakes the entire place, so an actual attack from him should be easily capable of making it through Limitless.
Another point is that Limitless doesnt *stop* you from moving, it doesnt freeze you in place, it just slows you down. It forces you to travel through a nigh infinite space that sits between you and Gojo, so its as if youre moving just incredibly *incredibly* slowly, but Goku's speed is already so outrageous (MFTL+ in even base form) that it still wouldnt be enough.
i think people like you dont really ge the concept of infinite space. it is totally irrelevant in what kind of speed or what kind of teleportation you have. if there will always be infinity between you and your enemy you wont reach
@@haidora9321 Thats not how gojo’s Infinity works though.
There isnt actually infinite space between Gojo and his enemies. What Gojo’s technique does is that the closer you get to him, the slower you move, as he explained to Jogo. The speed dampening doesnt affect Gojo though, ofc, so he moves at max speed when attacking, but his Limitless automatically targets *incoming* attacks and slows them down. Its actually just slowing you down a bunch, not freezing you entirely or being an actual infinite gap between the two of you.
@@TheDangerNoodle nope. he just explains it that way to jogo so he understands... thats not how it actually works. watch a video about it and you will understand. its not that they get slower but moe that no matter how far they go in his direction... there will always be an infinite amount of space between them. just watch a video about it, you will get it :)
@@haidora9321 “no, the way its said to work in the manga isnt true, watch a CZcams video made by someone whos *not* Gege and doesnt actually know how it works but is making their own assumptions, which go directly against how the show explains the ability. Thatll explain how it works :)”
- your dumbass
Also here’s a counter to instant transmission.
According to guide books the living realm is INFINITE. And it boreders the infinite after life.
He teleported to Kai’s world multiple times which if the guide books are true… well he did teleport infinitely
Since suerbuu is braking through an infinet dimension with its own time stream/flow by accident due to yelling and superbuu has been almost infinitely surpassed is power by the big hitters in super I dint think gojo’s infinity would be much of a defense. Especially when SSG at the start of DB super was accidentally shaking the universe apart when his punches met another character who was restricting his power to around SSG goku. The current goku should be able to brake through the infinity that gojo used
infinity is useless in DBS Infinity weakness is speed and im pretty damn sure everyone is fast there
@@maven9323 sn infinitte speed
yeah and not to mention Gojo infinity might not even register him because think about it. If goku uses his god form than the only people who can sense his energy are people with god ki and it gojo infinity barrier cant even distinguish toxins than how can it pick up and distinguish god ki.
Two fight scenarios:
Normal:
Goku charges, notices he isn't getting closer and stops. Mildly flexes, causing the infinite space to shatter like glass. Fight ends as Goku lightly taps Gojo on the shoulder.
Morals Off:
Goku blows up the Earth, Gojo suffocates.
The thing about Gojo's infinity is that it can simply be countered by moving much faster than Gojo. This is because limitless automatically detects incoming attacks and stops them, this means that limitless has its own reaction speed and because we dont know how fast it is we have to say that its as fast as Gojo's. So if you can blitz Gojo you can blitz his infinity.
no. lol
so it's like an upgraded version of Gara's auto moving sand ?
Goku can literally outspeed time i dont see goju winning
Destruiria el infinito como cuando gogeta peleó con broly Goku en modo ultra instinto es igual de fuerte que gogeta así que Goku gana
Why would you make the massive assumption that it's reaction time is as fast as gojo?
I’m no expert on Jujutsu Kaisen so someone could correct me on this but based on what I’ve read in the comments and from this video Goku literally operates on a higher dimension of power that largely negates Gojo’s abilities. Limitless seems to work by “generating” an infinite 3-Dimensional space between Gojo and an assailant, gradually slowing down an attack to a point that it can’t reach its target or if it does hit the energy behind it would be minuscule. However, Goku has demonstrated the ability to just straight up destroy space-time and can affect things on a scale beyond infinite 3D. It sounds stupid but Goku could quite literally power through Limitless if my assumption on how it works is correct.
You’re correct for the most part, but it’d be a one minute video if I just said he powers up and wins 😂
@@ToasterXD Not necessarily. You did a good job by explaining what Gojo’s powers were and how Goku can possibly counter them which is essential in a Vs debate analysis, something that would’ve taken more time than a mere minute
Ngl the 'fights' where it's like "Haha, you can't touch me I win" are kinda boring
It actually funny since gokus energy would never reach gojo
I don't think he has any ability to counter infinite.
Also, Goku is just a 3D being that can affect 4D spaces.
@@virtueisong615 Like I said I’m not too knowledgeable on JJK, but based on my research Gojo’s limitless ability can’t stop Goku. Goku being capable of affecting 4D should be more than enough to defeat someone who can only manipulate 3-dimensional space even if it was on an infinite scale. Nevermind the fact that Goku has feats/scaling of him destroying/bypassing space-time outright which may negate limitless completely. Had this been Z Goku then perhaps he might not have been able to hit Gojo, however, Super Goku seems to have the ability to just power through limitless by sheer strength disparity
Gojo and Accelerator would be a really interesting matchup, both use a kind of barrier so who would win?
accelerator do not really have a barrier, it is vector manipulation.
he controls the movement of objects and redirect it the way he wants.
and in order to do that he has to calculate ”himself” the distance and where the object is.
accelerator win easily
I'm here after Gojo was cut in two like a Lego. Goku solos
I think if Goku teleported to where Gojo is and punched him, there would still be infinite space between his hand and gojo, just like in the paradox. Maybe if goku teleported to inside gojo's body exploding him it would work, but if he teleports to anywhere where there's any space between him and gojo (even molecular or smaller in scale) that space would turn into infinite space.
That said goku can kill gojo before gojo can think and activate the ability if he doesn't preemptively activate it, or idk, he would just destroy the whole planet Gojo is in, or the whole universe he's in for that matter, that should be enough.
Gojos limitless is automatic, it filters how dangerous something can be. I think gokus presence could simply blowup gojos brain
I like how you don't low ball the characters and just give facts and countermeasures to their abilities
If the distance increase of the technique used by Gojo is exponentially growing, The limit to reach for him to get Goku to not be able to attack him would probably take too many time, at least a few seconds. And it is more than enough time for Goku to react quickly.
Because Gojo is only human, the time he would get infinite distance between him and his opponent is infinite.
Nah Gojo's ability scales above time, when it's active it's active, the thing is Goku simply scales above time and infinity itself so imagine a house with infinity rooms, goku throws a punch and Gojo can send that punch to any room in the house, but goku since Goku scales above the Jiren that shook the infinite void, when Gojo tries to send that punch away, every room in the house is already going to have a goku knuckle sandwich waiting at the door.
@@divineroadrunner funny analogy
Gojo i think was star level or nuke level while infinite is not even close to gokus power it was literally stated goku and vegeta reached the physical limit
@@divineroadrunner but he didnt shake all of infinity at once. It could be expanding shaking
@@Debate_BotHe did shake all of infinity, the void was literally infinite and the entire thing shook
Goku: Punches
Gojo: has infinity shattered, meets geto in the airport
Geto: How was son Goku?
Gojo: Too strong and he was not giving his all
"Say the line, Bart!"
"Ki annuls hax..."
I agree with most of it except the breaking through timeskip feat. Can't remember where but said somewhere in a guide or official statement that Goku didn't move faster than time or anything like that, just he'd outgrown Hit's technique. Basically if you out-tier Hit enough, his abilities won't work on you as well, if at all.
its a manga only statement that cant be true for the anime as hit himself says the opposite
@@imperfekt_zen 2 things. 1, it's been 7 months dude wth. 2, Hit literally never says that in the anime, like he just says "What the?" and then goes on about how he's pushed his timeskip further and his respect for Goku. Like at no point does he ever say that Goku moved faster than time or surpassed it.
@@Fenguangout right says it in the rematch that hes beyond time lol hell jiren is stated to be beyond time
Good scaling and quick to the point showings for each ch, I remember hearing gojo fights somewhere in a domain that is stated to not have time (but it's a bit contentious bc of the context) so I'd like to see an example of gojo with possibly inf speed (goku has a couple of these showings too like the void and going to get zeno out of a spaceless timeless erased universe but those r also seen as outliers)
He got sealed in a box, time dont flows etc, he was Just talking and moving his hands, and now People think he have infinite speed lmao
@@punkydesu5110 yeah I figured it wasn’t a very solid feat but scaling the high end and lower ends r fun bc then u can take those and give a much more likely and consistent middle stance
gojo would win imo
he doesnt fight there, he just was able to move there
He said “good scaling” 😂😂😂 your going to take a made up calculation of goku moving through hell at an estimated 4 quadrillion times faster than light, and completely ignore the manga which says it would take vegeta 5 seconds to travel to another city 😂😂😂
Or the fact that dyspo and hit were fighting at speeds relative to the speed of sound 😂😂😂😂
How is taking made up numbers over the real numbers “good scaling” the dragonball fanbase is something elsr
The real question is if gojo is even able to react at the speed of light and if he can’t react do his abilities still work since his eyes wouldn’t be able to keep up 👀
Goku was able to shatter Hit's time stopped dimension by just being stronger. That's all you need to know
this is really a funny take on this though i don't think goku would even need ultra-instinct when the guy can literally use hakai i mean it may not be has strong has the gods of destructions but I'm sure it's enough to get the job done
I don’t believe he’d need UI at all either. Base is more than enough. It was just an argument for him being able to move around in Gojo’s domain
You need proof that he can hakai someone from an infinite distance away as the hakai would never reach him
@@virtueisong615 no he wouldn't since the hakai he is talking about is the evolved version and not the energy version. It doesn't travel through space. U literally just start evaporating from existence. Thus it's questionable that limitless would even since the hakai coming.
@@jaunzelmullins1508 too bad Goku doesn't have that version. Also, Goku has to at least be close to the user since you need to prove he can use it on someone an infinite distance away from him
@@virtueisong615 he does have that version😂. If he didn't I wouldn't have brought it up. Like I said since it doesn't travel so u don't need to prove it can travel an infinite distance.
And another thing limitless doesn't create an infinite distance. If u are 2 feet away from gojo and he activates limitless YOU WILL STILL BE 2 FEET AWAY from gojo. U don't just magically become infinite feet away from gojo. U just won't be able to reach 0 feet.
I agree Imo, it really comes down to the dimensionality difference, if gokus able to surpass space-time, which is what gojo has control over then there’s nothing gojo can do to stop goku.
Goku is still a 3rd dimensional mortal human. Goku is not 4th dimensional. Soooo tired of this wank and these random feats Toriyama puts in the manga without even realizing what it's implying.
@@jaelonsanders5878Gokus not human he’s literally a alien cope harder
@@jaelonsanders5878 Bro you don't know the first thing about dragon ball, jesus christ.. Goku is literally a saiyan that was sent from a different planet, he's literally an alien. Not a human.
Gojo : fix your hairLine bro
Goku : someone has death wish 😡
The classic phrase
"If he got an ability called "beat goku" he still aint winning"
I love the idea of Goku simply punching through literal infinite space just get out
I think it would depend on how fast they would use their best skills.
To be fair to Gojo
Goku loves letting his opponents do their thing.
Anyone who watched resurrection F should know goku could have went blue before using IT, and IT behind frieza and just literally kick his head off.
He's just not the kind of guy who would waste an opponent before he knows what they can do.
@@TecTitan it's not just in the R.F, Goku was always like that. he loves fighting, in order to enjoy the fight, he was always holding back in order to learn from his opponents while gaining satisfaction and experiences. Goku is always a martial artist, the only time he went all out immediately when he sensed that Zamasu/Goku Black had a massive power up due to Zenkai Boost and Goku immediately went Blue because he knows something is wrong and he was right, Goku Black had the Super Saiyan Rose.
Goku is obviously better why is this even a debate?
Gojo is literally island level 💀
As I recall, Dragon Ball goes by the logic that hax powers don't usually work on people stronger than yourself, like how Hit tried to use Time Skip but Goku's Blue Kaioken was stronger than Hit and he could therefore just still punch Hit during skipped time. And we were already having dudes strong enough to shake and effect infinite spaces in the Tournament of Power, and we're beyond that by now.
in dragon ball, all "hax" are tied to strength and Stamina.
We see this with Hit, it drains his stamina to old Jiren in a "time" prison.
If that was Dio, Goku and Jiren would be stopped for 9-10 seconds, no exceptions
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