@@tigerhoods7927they’re all young, Victor has just played professionally for 4 years. Spurs will make some moves in the offseason, add two more top 10 picks and don’t underestimate internal growth since we are watching it first hand this last month or so.
@@jojoprocess2820I think it's crazy we went from MJ is the perfect basketball player to this freak of nature that nobody thoughy would ever exist. The only way to improve on Wemby as a player is if there was somehow a version of him that was as fast and agile while also being jacked and athletic like Giannis.
Exactly, he has Jokic like IQ, it’s just that for the moment, the system around him, the players around him and also him still making bad shots decisions makes them difficult to see But he has a crazy high iq at his age and I even argue that is his best skill yet in his game Maybe a tie with his shot blocking ( but shot blocking is also heavily linked with iq so…)
Yup I dont get these Chet or even Bol Bol comparision. Victor is doing stuff on the court that i never seen Chet nor Bol Bol do. Victor is 1 of 1. Victor is averaging more assists than Chet despite being on the wrose team. Imagine if he had descent teammates he could easily average 5+ APG as a rookie which is just insane for a center rookie.
He's got a good basketball mind. In my eyes, the most surprising thing about him. He is NOT a phenomenal athlete. Nor a good shooter. I like the comparisons to Durant, though I expect Wembanyama to get get bulkier with age.
wemby gets boxed out so many times and it just doesnt even matter at all i remember the good ole days of coaches in youth leagues and schools preaching that whole if you box out, no matter how tall the other guy is, you getting the rebound. well turns out when someone is as long as wemby is that isnt the case no mo.
Both have lived up to every piece of hype 100% and I can see exactly their future of dominating the NBA for the next 10 to 15 years. For both though health will always be a concern cuz that is a crazy frame
@@jerrymiemarcusYou really missed an opportunity there "first the NBA and then the world" like a couple of evil villains' which in 10 years as a Nuggets fan they will be
@@RasLiontrue they should be happy with comparing now Wenby with chet ( even if wemby is already way better than chet , but haters wont admint )because that's how close the comparison is ever going to get chet has nothing more to offer he already fullfield his potential , wemby is gonna be the goat if he doesn't get a major injury
@@doobleludo3589 whats the difference? What about Bronny? When he enters the NBA will he not be a rookie because he is around NBA players all the time and will have college experience. Wemby is certainly as fresh as they come but whether someone has college experience or were drafted in different years your a rookie the first year you play in offical regular season games this is both the first year they have played. That he's not a rookie is bullshit. What about Luka who had professional experience? Simmons was in same situation as Chet did he not deserve RotY?
whats freaking me out in these clips is him telling his teammates what to do, thats so much knowledge and confidence from a rookie its scary. give it some years and his basketball iq is increased and he might be able to lead a team singlehandedly .
That kind of confidence and leadership is special at his age and I'm sure at least some of it is coming from the mentors he has. Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu, Tony Parker, Popovich, all the Spurs legends are mentoring him and supporting him in every way they can. Tim Duncan's mentorship particularly is something I'm excited about. He was quiet but absolutely a top tier competitor, winner and classy player. The defensive lessons, the pressure of playoff basketball (When my Spurs actually get some competent teammates for him), blocking out the noise from media and other players, the value of being a great teammate and leader, how to handle the pressure being a highly sought after #1 overall pick, all things that Tim Duncan knows firsthand and that Wemby would benefit immensely from learning.
@@Cardb33 Wemby played for Vincent Collet, actual coach of french national team and one of the best coach in the world (Pop said this) so he knows what basket-ball is
Nah, that's a huge cap. Wemby's a monster, but Chet is just as crazy, and arguably has more flexibility in terms of his growth. Wemby's still very inconsistent as a shooter, but Chet's already looking incredible, and that's a big thing when it comes to being able to work with a variety of players and playstyles.
@@blazefactor6849he's a year older and has been with an nba organization for a year longer. Shooting efficiency is something that every rookie struggles with but that's less an issue when you have a year with a world class quality NBA shooting coach. Wemby's ceiling is a tier higher, particularly on defense.
@@blazefactor6849 One gets double and triple teamed every play the other doesnt, so I'd hope his efficiency is better cuz thats kind of all hes got going for him in terms of stats
@@picklericky03 Exactly the fact of the matter is that Chet needed 2 of his OKC teammates to help him guard Wemby is crazy. If he is already getting triple teamed as a rookie what will happen when he hit his prime a triple team will not even be able to stop him because he will just shoot over it.
-- trying to think of a great battle of similar years and size. Kobe Vs Tmac only lasted 4-5 years before injuries crushed Tmac. Shaq C vs Duncan PF/C ain't quite the same. KG v Duncan is close. Lebron v KD is reasonable but just seemed weighted on Lebron's side.
@@glovs4188agree. Other than to hype the rivalry, there’s never been a debate (and there still isn’t one). Wembys is already significantly better and his ceiling is scary. It wouldn’t take Presti 2 seconds to trade Chet for Wemby if offered lol.
@glovs4188 Straight horse manure you spat right there. Chet delivers exactly what OKC needed, this year - SPACING. Wemby is still raw in a few areas, particularly outside shooting. OKC is one the few teams in the league who would pick Chet over Wemby - and this video illustrates why. And lastly it is not obvious who will become the better player. Most would agree Wemby has a higher ceiling, but the both do pretty much everything you would want in a modern big. And most players never rwxh their true potential.
Wemby doesn't often have a weight advantage on defenders like he does vs Chet. And I think he took note of how physical Embiid was with him and it looked like he was trying out that style of play on a few possessions.
They compete against each other like they understand what their relationship means to basketball. They could be the greatest individual rivalry since Magic/Bird. Also its cool to see shot blocking bigs coming back, these 2 and Kessler are already establishing themselves as rim protectors.
Im a Spurs fan, so naturally Im rocking with Wemby no matter what. However, these two are at the worst they will be in their careers, think about that. Chet will be a sniper, his shot looks fantastic. I do think that Wemby is the better overall player, but wow are we so lucky to be able to watch these two grow and compete.
Nice to see so many people supporting both of these guys because we want to see both reach their max potential to give us a generational duel instead of shitting on one or the other
They need to call traveling again with how gifted these guys are. 4:11 isn't one step. He does a mini hop, then picks up his pivot foot while taking an extra step
They're both awesome but to me Wemby is clearly ROY and I don't really understand how this is close. The award is for rookie of the year, not "most efficient rookie on a winning team". Wemby gets the superstar treatment from opposing defenses and still gets better numbers than Chet on lower minutes. He is the story of his franchise while Chet is the 3rd option of his. OKC is SGA's team and SGA is the one name way up on the opponent's gameplan. Wemby also steps up to the plate when an opposing superstar comes to town and the lights shine brightest. The game he played against Giannis was him saying "I am the star of this rookie class" to me. Chet is a wonderful player, but he's just a piece. Wemby is San Antonio. They'll go as far as he goes one day while I'm not sure Chet will ever be the 1st option. He is clearly the face of this rookie class, which Chet is not even really a part of -he has had a whole year to adapt behind the scenes while Wemby is doing it before our very eyes. He is the rookie of the year. Chet is the best rookie on a winning team. But he's neither better nor more important than Wemby.
@@awdrpepper OKC won the game due to SGA going absolutely nuclear but watching this game live Wemby won the matchup with Chet, Chet looked unwillingly to take him on offense, almost passing out everytime even in insolation but Wemby had his way on the other end. In terms of the race overall I still think Chet has a case/angle due to his efficiency but I'd take Wemb
@@awdrpepper I did watch the video. It makes the case that they're both good players, which, yeah, duh, they are. I'm just making the case that one of them has a way stronger profile as far as ROY is concerned in my opinion. Last night OKC lost and Chet had a very quiet night. Even in losses, Wemby is anything but quiet. That's because he means everything to San Antonio. All of their stuff runs through him, as it should. And all of the opponent's attention is on him. For a guy who is younger and on a minutes restriction, that speaks volumes as to why he is ROY imo. He makes San Antonio games meaningful. You watch them to see Wemby. You watch OKC to see SGA, not Chet...
At 4:31, you can see the difference between the SAS and an elite team like Denver. In DNVR's offense, Sochan would be diving to the rim for the dump-off or for the lob, McDermott would be flashing to the corner, and Devin occupying McDermott's spot. As is, the spacing is way off; SAS has 3 guys being covered by 2 Thunder.
I LOVE how Chet seems to have no ego issues in terms of not wanting to challenge dunk attempts for fear he might get posterized. That's about your ego, he's more concerned about doing his damn job when anyone attacks the rim. It's like how Alonzo Morning was one of the best rim protectors in the league, but he also got posterized famously a few times, that is a compliment to him, it means he was there to contest every attempt he could.
I’m team Wemby as a Spurs fan but I LOVE Chet’s intensity and how he isn’t flopping all over the floor. Chet doesn’t back down from Wemby or anyone else and contests at the rim as well as any center ever has. His biggest advantage tho is his teams IQ and skill as he is free to play 1v1 against any team. The Thunder are really good. This team is a championship contending quality team. As of right now Chet is more developed and you can see his year in college and year injured in OKC has really helped his IQ. Wemby isn’t as polished but he is far more skilled and has a higher basketball IQnaturally. What I really like is that they both are competitors and want to win by beating each other. I hope to see more of this and hope the LeBron/KD super team era is at an end.
Something that is overlooked is how unique a situation this is for both players. They're both unicorns, and the odds of them being in exactly the same stage of their career at the same time is astronomical. In terms of them having a rivalry, if either one wasn't in the league, who would there be for them to compare themselves to in real time? KP? I can't see there being the same level of drive and motivation for either player if they didn't have a situation where the ONLY real rivalry prospect for either play just happens to be playing at the same time, the same age, and honestly to the same level. IMO this can only bring out the absolute best for both of them, playing against each other, sharing something absolutely unique, and driving each other to grow as much as possible, as either only hated enemies or close friends can in competition. MJ's the GOAT in some respects due to the fact that he made everyone his bitter enemy on the court, helping to drive himself throughout his entire career. Here's hoping that these two lads stay healthy, drive each other to unbelievable heights in competition, and give us all the most amazing next two decades of basketball we've ever seen.
I never watched them so I don't know but I feel like this is what it would be like to watch Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain battles back in the day. Obviously they are rookies and comparing them to all time greats is absurd but the height along with incredible defensive and offensive potential which alters the way the game has to be played, it makes me feel like we could have a modern version of those battles when you include the modern aspects of todays game such as 3 pointers, positionless basketball and whatnot.
I'm so happy both are living up to the hype. Desperately hoping we can get the privilege of watching them healthy and battling against each other for the next 20 years, like Kareem but if there were two of him.
This might be controversial, but I think Victor is by far the more talented between the 2. Chet, however, is way more polished, which is why he contributes to winning so well already.
Most analysts focus on usage and iso possessions (ball in hand) and one on one feats such as blocks, which look great for Wenby. The reality is that so far Chet has had higher efficiency and a bigger impact on winning as measured by nearly all advanced metrics (after controlling for who else is on the floor). The advanced metrics aren't close. But, we are only at the midway point for the season and Wenby has been improving quickly. Wenby has the higher long run upside, but I also feel that most folks don't truly appreciate the impact of Chet. His defensive positioning and versatility is superb for a rookie and his gravity creates space and cutting lanes. As great as SGA has been, the one big roster change between the 0.488 team and current .771 team is Chet.
@joshb.1118 I'm very locked in on nba so I'm well aware of the stats and metrics. I also watch a TON of bball and have for nearly 2 decades. So I know the difference between a player in Victor's position vs Chet. It's undeniably easier to be more efficient in Chets situation vs Victor's.
San Antonio desperately needs to hit with these next 2-3years of first rounders, or make good roster moves/trades. He needs a guard and a wing atleast. Jarret Allen also comes to mind.
They need to make moves. People were saying Wemby is good enough to win right now, and they were right. If they could get Trae Young, I think they could be a contender. That kind of move is what they need. Imagine if they had traded for CP3? They might be in the playoffs right now. And Wemby would be the clear ROY, Allstar, and who knows what else.
I kinda get the argument for Chet as ROY. He’s really good. But it’s been so obvious to anyone that watches games that Wemby is the better player. Basically if you swapped their teams OKC would be so scary. It’s sad for fans that Spurs have been tanking all year with their “experiments”. If Wemby doesn’t win ROY he can thank Pop and Wright for that.
I think it is semi-intentional from Pop. I don't think Pop wants Wemby to explode too soon. He's trying to humble Wemby, but it might backfire. I think Pop has to go in 2-3 years.
They are both amazing, but Wemby doing what he does with zero help (and I mean zero) on his team makes this easy for me. The way I think about it, if you switched their fortunes and put Chet on SAS I can't see it being so clear cut. But man, Chet's shooting is impressive (I mean everything is, he's awesome too).
there is one argument where Chet has more 'win shares' than Wemby, where just by adding him they have gone from play-in team to best record in the west. but i feel like Chet also benefits from the lowkey INCREDIBLE improvement not just SGA has shown this season but also Jalen Williams. SGA has obviously elevated himself into a frontrunner in the MVP conversation, but I feel Jalen Williams is also a frontrunner for MIP behind Tyrese Maxey. The guy is playing like an all star at times esp with clutch buckets - super underrated because he is buried behind Shai and Chet in these conversations. I argue Chet is not the clear cut 2nd best player on OKC behind Shai either, so against this line up, who do you load up your defense on? You can't really because there that many weapons. Meanwhile wemby has faced triple and at times quadruple teams and his open teammates continue to brick open shots
I am curious how high do you rate them in the 21st century of rookies? I find that more interesting than comparing them( which is impossible because the different situation)
I would really like to see these two play together, although that almost certainly would not happen outside of All Star games, which aren't properly competitive. Their differences would make them a nightmare, as it doesn't really feel like they'd get in each other's way that much, if the coaching was right.
@@rachelespiritu4215 I'm not sure they'll go back to the old East/West format and unless they do something to make the All Star game more competitive, I think it would sadly be a disappointment. Hope to be proved wrong though!
@@midsbv8960 you are right - I am behind the times! Honestly, the most recent All Star games have been so painfully boring, I haven't bothered paying much attention.
This month: Wembanyama 25/10/3/3 on 61% TS Chet 15/7/3/2 on 59% TS He is literally averaging more of EVERYTHING on a way worse team without 3 playmakers that average a combined 17 assists like Chet does.
@cabbage8742 Wembanyama is turnover prone sure, but he also is a lead ball handler in a lot of plays. I'm glad you brought up plus minus. Chet has +55, while being on the best team in the West and playing 3 more games, Wemby has 50 while on the worst team in the West and playing 3 less games. Wemby has a better plus minus per game. Youre right with the turnovers tho. He has averaged more turnovers, but also more points, assists, blocks, steals, rebounds, double his offensive rebounds and a better plus minus per game. Better 3p%, better FT%, better TS% and overall better stats on 26 minutes a game, while Chet plays 30.
@cabbage8742 I mean for a career, Wemby has more points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals. He is third in stocks per game and blocks per game ALL TIME. He started off his rookie campaign shooting low percentage shots but now that the team has learned to play with him it's showing.
This is going to be a phenomenal decade-long rivalry. When these guys are both in their sixth year and have each added 40 pounds of muscle they should team up.
@@Max-kw2hpI've thought about this and I am well aware that your perspective has become the conventional wisdom over the last few years. Apparently people think it will make them injury prone and slower. But I disagree. First of all, these guys are young. Wembanyama just turned 20. They would naturally probably add 20 pounds of weight just by continuing to grow up and fully mature into their bodies. But by carefully planned bone-density-building and muscle-building exercise regimens they can add a lot of strength and explosiveness and weight without adding a lot of bulk. It's a pretty good rule of thumb that when it comes to athletics, it helps to be strong.
I have to admit, I'm very impressed with Wembanyama's intelligence. It's his brain that will make him great. I mean, yeah, his physical tools are special, but there are lots of amazing athletes who don't fully pan out because of the mental side of the game. Joe Alexander, anyone?
I understand the comparison due to similar archetypes, but comparing their skills and talent is downright an insult to Wemby. As a 20 yo he's battling against the top players in the league and holding his own. Chet is a great talent, but man Victor is the GUY
I really like this rivalry. There’s no excessive amount of shit talking. None of that big ego speeches in interviews. Just two young, extremely skilled bigs that’s extra competitive when playing against each other.
As interesting it is to note Wemby's IQ, Spurs trust his acumen to run the offense through him. So with all those reps he's going to be aware where his teammates at least should be given the situation. Just like in 2:45 where Wemby defends the close out on a smaller shooter then starts booking it to the other side. Because when a teammate gets the defensive rebound, he's already at the other side cross matched in transition with a smaller player! This is how the Sixers get Embiid easy baskets in transition. No knock on Chet's IQ either when he can play make in transition and read/navigate screens on defense well for his age. Since his shooting is instrumental for the Thunder's ability to space.
i do hope they will still show fierce competetion between them and never show some friendly accolades and shit. I want them to retire and eventually be friends and appreciate the competition they had going on
It’s a lot of fun and really cool to witness but tbh, I don’t think it’s that close. To me, Victor is a superior player and prospect by a good margin. Chet is fantastic but Wemby is generational.
I'm just thinking right now, will Chet still be like this if he did play last season? I mean he looks better than Banchero right now in terms of rookie performance but did resting helps him to be better?
Just some random thoughts, but I kinda considered wemby to be the taller, hypermodern version of tim duncan. Might have something to do with the fact that he is playing on spurs. By taller, hyper modern version of tim duncan, im referring to the general impact rather than the particular skillset. Even then, assuming tim duncan is born in the 2000's instead of the 70's, who knows if timmy can master the same kind of skillset as wemby.
I think ben has a huge b0ner for tall long players. But that was an exciting match up out of fiction, i cant remember the last i saw so many unusual plays with players having their own show down so got me hyped in a while.
It’s crazy to think Wemby has legit Jokic potential except that he might be able to run more pick and roll up top. He’s still raw but he really has everything anyone could ever need.
Lol, Wemby is gonna waste his prime on bad teams. Wemby is putting up good stats on a bad team. And Chet is gonna win a chip as at least the second best player.
We're going to see an incredible rivalry between these two players in the future. For me wemby is more creative and more talented than chet he deserves the title of rookie of the year. There's no doubt that chet will win a title quicker than wemby because he has a good team and he too is excellent wemby will also win a title but later I think. Wemby vs Chet is the future Olajuwon vs Robinson.
As you guys remember, Chet had an injury in his supposed to be rookie year. Being with the team for a whole year definetly helped improved his skills before he started his first nba game. Now imagine if Wemby had one season with the team before playing 🤯
5:46 This is what I don't really get about the NBA. They introduced a "flopping" rule to lessen it, but won't call this obvious of a push off unless the defender sells it by falling to the ground. I mean come on now.
how do you expect a rivalry when wemby is allowed to truck over chet with no calls. That first one was tech worth because he just didn't press his choulder into him where there was already contact, he jabbed his shoulder into him football style.
That play with wemby telling his teammate to move up shows his high IQ he might just be even better than we think he is.
Facts he just need better teammates
@@tigerhoods7927they’re all young, Victor has just played professionally for 4 years. Spurs will make some moves in the offseason, add two more top 10 picks and don’t underestimate internal growth since we are watching it first hand this last month or so.
He is doing that all the time the last month. Even more then there point guard Tre( who is playing great too)
Exactly don’t see Chet doing that
News flash he is
Wemby IQ is so often overlooked. He sees everything on the floor and orchestrates the Spurs offense even when he doesn't have the ball.
He might be the perfect basketball player
@@jojoprocess2820I think it's crazy we went from MJ is the perfect basketball player to this freak of nature that nobody thoughy would ever exist. The only way to improve on Wemby as a player is if there was somehow a version of him that was as fast and agile while also being jacked and athletic like Giannis.
Exactly, he has Jokic like IQ, it’s just that for the moment, the system around him, the players around him and also him still making bad shots decisions makes them difficult to see
But he has a crazy high iq at his age and I even argue that is his best skill yet in his game
Maybe a tie with his shot blocking ( but shot blocking is also heavily linked with iq so…)
Yup I dont get these Chet or even Bol Bol comparision. Victor is doing stuff on the court that i never seen Chet nor Bol Bol do. Victor is 1 of 1. Victor is averaging more assists than Chet despite being on the wrose team. Imagine if he had descent teammates he could easily average 5+ APG as a rookie which is just insane for a center rookie.
He's got a good basketball mind. In my eyes, the most surprising thing about him. He is NOT a phenomenal athlete. Nor a good shooter. I like the comparisons to Durant, though I expect Wembanyama to get get bulkier with age.
These two both have the intangible drive, toughness and desire that makes you confident that they’ll try to squeeze everything out of their potential
But only 1 has GOAT potential 🇫🇷😊
@@Anthonydu01630you never know🤷🏽♂️
You described it perfectly
@@Anthonydu01630lol
@Joesmith-gn7mhTrue... But Wemby will close the gap if he puts in the effort!
"Snatches that offensive rebound over the little kids" 😆
I cracked up😂
wemby gets boxed out so many times and it just doesnt even matter at all
i remember the good ole days of coaches in youth leagues and schools preaching that whole if you box out, no matter how tall the other guy is, you getting the rebound. well turns out when someone is as long as wemby is that isnt the case no mo.
Perfect definition of Wemby
Chet is great, but by God Wemby is so so special
Wemby is just way bigger. Gonna be a great western conference match up for many years to come. Hakeem and Ewing?
Both have lived up to every piece of hype 100% and I can see exactly their future of dominating the NBA for the next 10 to 15 years. For both though health will always be a concern cuz that is a crazy frame
First the NBA and they might also battle it out on the international level.
@@jerrymiemarcusYou really missed an opportunity there "first the NBA and then the world" like a couple of evil villains' which in 10 years as a Nuggets fan they will be
Watching them play is incredible, I'm watching 2 potentially generational talents in their rookie years at the same time
Although to be fair, one of them is 2 years older and 1 year ahead in the NBA than the other.
Chet is not rookie ...
LOL nobody is gonna remember Chet by next year
@@RasLiontrue they should be happy with comparing now Wenby with chet ( even if wemby is already way better than chet , but haters wont admint )because that's how close the comparison is ever going to get chet has nothing more to offer he already fullfield his potential , wemby is gonna be the goat if he doesn't get a major injury
@@doobleludo3589 whats the difference? What about Bronny? When he enters the NBA will he not be a rookie because he is around NBA players all the time and will have college experience. Wemby is certainly as fresh as they come but whether someone has college experience or were drafted in different years your a rookie the first year you play in offical regular season games this is both the first year they have played. That he's not a rookie is bullshit. What about Luka who had professional experience? Simmons was in same situation as Chet did he not deserve RotY?
whats freaking me out in these clips is him telling his teammates what to do, thats so much knowledge and confidence from a rookie its scary. give it some years and his basketball iq is increased and he might be able to lead a team singlehandedly .
That kind of confidence and leadership is special at his age and I'm sure at least some of it is coming from the mentors he has. Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu, Tony Parker, Popovich, all the Spurs legends are mentoring him and supporting him in every way they can. Tim Duncan's mentorship particularly is something I'm excited about. He was quiet but absolutely a top tier competitor, winner and classy player. The defensive lessons, the pressure of playoff basketball (When my Spurs actually get some competent teammates for him), blocking out the noise from media and other players, the value of being a great teammate and leader, how to handle the pressure being a highly sought after #1 overall pick, all things that Tim Duncan knows firsthand and that Wemby would benefit immensely from learning.
@@Cardb33 Wemby played for Vincent Collet, actual coach of french national team and one of the best coach in the world (Pop said this) so he knows what basket-ball is
Wemby is on a different tier and when it’s all said and done it won’t even be close.
Nah, that's a huge cap. Wemby's a monster, but Chet is just as crazy, and arguably has more flexibility in terms of his growth. Wemby's still very inconsistent as a shooter, but Chet's already looking incredible, and that's a big thing when it comes to being able to work with a variety of players and playstyles.
@@blazefactor6849you cant say that when he was too scared to even go at wemby
@@blazefactor6849he's a year older and has been with an nba organization for a year longer. Shooting efficiency is something that every rookie struggles with but that's less an issue when you have a year with a world class quality NBA shooting coach. Wemby's ceiling is a tier higher, particularly on defense.
@@blazefactor6849 One gets double and triple teamed every play the other doesnt, so I'd hope his efficiency is better cuz thats kind of all hes got going for him in terms of stats
@@picklericky03 Exactly the fact of the matter is that Chet needed 2 of his OKC teammates to help him guard Wemby is crazy. If he is already getting triple teamed as a rookie what will happen when he hit his prime a triple team will not even be able to stop him because he will just shoot over it.
I hope all the true basketball lovers don’t take what we’re seeing for granted , rooting for both guys just for the love and evolution of hoops.
-- trying to think of a great battle of similar years and size. Kobe Vs Tmac only lasted 4-5 years before injuries crushed Tmac.
Shaq C vs Duncan PF/C ain't quite the same. KG v Duncan is close. Lebron v KD is reasonable but just seemed weighted on Lebron's side.
I’m so glad this rookie of the year race happening. A lot of NBA draft junkies had been debating who was the better prospect for like 3-4 years lol
There's no debate really. Okc would trade chet for wemby in a heartbeat.
@@glovs4188agree. Other than to hype the rivalry, there’s never been a debate (and there still isn’t one). Wembys is already significantly better and his ceiling is scary. It wouldn’t take Presti 2 seconds to trade Chet for Wemby if offered lol.
@@glovs4188 and some first picks.
But yes, rivalry for this year, if they want. After ROY, he'll choose another player to surpass.
@glovs4188 Straight horse manure you spat right there. Chet delivers exactly what OKC needed, this year - SPACING. Wemby is still raw in a few areas, particularly outside shooting. OKC is one the few teams in the league who would pick Chet over Wemby - and this video illustrates why.
And lastly it is not obvious who will become the better player. Most would agree Wemby has a higher ceiling, but the both do pretty much everything you would want in a modern big. And most players never rwxh their true potential.
@@awdrpepper So if ur OKC and SA offers u Wemby for Chet straight up you aren't taking it???
Wemby doesn't often have a weight advantage on defenders like he does vs Chet. And I think he took note of how physical Embiid was with him and it looked like he was trying out that style of play on a few possessions.
Super excited to learn about the upcoming Wemby video. Hope to see a shoutout to Tre, he's been the key factor to unlock Wemby.
Facts
They compete against each other like they understand what their relationship means to basketball. They could be the greatest individual rivalry since Magic/Bird.
Also its cool to see shot blocking bigs coming back, these 2 and Kessler are already establishing themselves as rim protectors.
shot blocking bigs never left
nothing gets me more excited than watching your analysis on players
Hopefully we get to see them battle for many years to come
Im a Spurs fan, so naturally Im rocking with Wemby no matter what. However, these two are at the worst they will be in their careers, think about that. Chet will be a sniper, his shot looks fantastic. I do think that Wemby is the better overall player, but wow are we so lucky to be able to watch these two grow and compete.
The Rising Star game is gonna be lit 🔥🔥🔥
Two incredible players and another great content from Ben Taylor again ❤
great video keep it up man!
Great editing!
Great video!
Has everyone missed the sack shot on Chet 1:24? Damn 😂
I love both of them, they are very amazing young talent.
Appreciate both of them. They are uniquely talented and skilled.
You definitely have the type of videos that people would assume come from an account with minimum 150k followers. Keep it up!
5:34 i love how Chet didnt dive and cry to the refs like other nba players this rivalry will hopefully revive the nba they both are amazing players
Nice to see so many people supporting both of these guys because we want to see both reach their max potential to give us a generational duel instead of shitting on one or the other
It’s more so Unicorn vs alien and they’re both in the end gonna be all time players I feel, much respect to them both and good fortune to come
They need to call traveling again with how gifted these guys are. 4:11 isn't one step. He does a mini hop, then picks up his pivot foot while taking an extra step
I love them both. Too bad that there is so much vitriol among sycophants that most discussions end up with trashing one of them.
Because spurs fans feel crazy watching a generational talent be compared to a role player.
Thank you. Well said.
@@M0IVD0 Lol, you got the brain rot. Don't jinx Wemby with your glazing.
They're both awesome but to me Wemby is clearly ROY and I don't really understand how this is close.
The award is for rookie of the year, not "most efficient rookie on a winning team". Wemby gets the superstar treatment from opposing defenses and still gets better numbers than Chet on lower minutes. He is the story of his franchise while Chet is the 3rd option of his. OKC is SGA's team and SGA is the one name way up on the opponent's gameplan. Wemby also steps up to the plate when an opposing superstar comes to town and the lights shine brightest. The game he played against Giannis was him saying "I am the star of this rookie class" to me.
Chet is a wonderful player, but he's just a piece. Wemby is San Antonio. They'll go as far as he goes one day while I'm not sure Chet will ever be the 1st option. He is clearly the face of this rookie class, which Chet is not even really a part of -he has had a whole year to adapt behind the scenes while Wemby is doing it before our very eyes. He is the rookie of the year. Chet is the best rookie on a winning team. But he's neither better nor more important than Wemby.
Watch the video and you'll see why it's close...
@@awdrpepperidk more wemby highlights but to each their own
@@awdrpepper OKC won the game due to SGA going absolutely nuclear but watching this game live Wemby won the matchup with Chet, Chet looked unwillingly to take him on offense, almost passing out everytime even in insolation but Wemby had his way on the other end. In terms of the race overall I still think Chet has a case/angle due to his efficiency but I'd take Wemb
@@awdrpepper I did watch the video. It makes the case that they're both good players, which, yeah, duh, they are. I'm just making the case that one of them has a way stronger profile as far as ROY is concerned in my opinion.
Last night OKC lost and Chet had a very quiet night. Even in losses, Wemby is anything but quiet. That's because he means everything to San Antonio. All of their stuff runs through him, as it should. And all of the opponent's attention is on him. For a guy who is younger and on a minutes restriction, that speaks volumes as to why he is ROY imo. He makes San Antonio games meaningful. You watch them to see Wemby. You watch OKC to see SGA, not Chet...
This video deserves to be uploaded to the main channel 👀
Hope and pray they stay injury free and continue to lead the next generation of players. Unicorns indeed!
Yes
At 4:31, you can see the difference between the SAS and an elite team like Denver. In DNVR's offense, Sochan would be diving to the rim for the dump-off or for the lob, McDermott would be flashing to the corner, and Devin occupying McDermott's spot. As is, the spacing is way off; SAS has 3 guys being covered by 2 Thunder.
it’s insane to see the size difference between them and everyone else it’s almost scary
Shoulda been a main channel video, but posting it here might give dis channel a significant view boost.
I LOVE how Chet seems to have no ego issues in terms of not wanting to challenge dunk attempts for fear he might get posterized. That's about your ego, he's more concerned about doing his damn job when anyone attacks the rim. It's like how Alonzo Morning was one of the best rim protectors in the league, but he also got posterized famously a few times, that is a compliment to him, it means he was there to contest every attempt he could.
I’m team Wemby as a Spurs fan but I LOVE Chet’s intensity and how he isn’t flopping all over the floor. Chet doesn’t back down from Wemby or anyone else and contests at the rim as well as any center ever has. His biggest advantage tho is his teams IQ and skill as he is free to play 1v1 against any team. The Thunder are really good. This team is a championship contending quality team. As of right now Chet is more developed and you can see his year in college and year injured in OKC has really helped his IQ. Wemby isn’t as polished but he is far more skilled and has a higher basketball IQnaturally. What I really like is that they both are competitors and want to win by beating each other. I hope to see more of this and hope the LeBron/KD super team era is at an end.
"chet doesnt back down from Wemby" LMAO he was hunting mismatches the whole night
What are you even saying did not even attempt to try wemby lmaooo
@@angryraylangivens1281 he's clearly talking about on the defensive end... hence the "anyone else" and "contests the rim".
@@kathmandu6237 chet is ass
This is gonna blew up
Something that is overlooked is how unique a situation this is for both players. They're both unicorns, and the odds of them being in exactly the same stage of their career at the same time is astronomical. In terms of them having a rivalry, if either one wasn't in the league, who would there be for them to compare themselves to in real time? KP?
I can't see there being the same level of drive and motivation for either player if they didn't have a situation where the ONLY real rivalry prospect for either play just happens to be playing at the same time, the same age, and honestly to the same level. IMO this can only bring out the absolute best for both of them, playing against each other, sharing something absolutely unique, and driving each other to grow as much as possible, as either only hated enemies or close friends can in competition. MJ's the GOAT in some respects due to the fact that he made everyone his bitter enemy on the court, helping to drive himself throughout his entire career.
Here's hoping that these two lads stay healthy, drive each other to unbelievable heights in competition, and give us all the most amazing next two decades of basketball we've ever seen.
I never watched them so I don't know but I feel like this is what it would be like to watch Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain battles back in the day. Obviously they are rookies and comparing them to all time greats is absurd but the height along with incredible defensive and offensive potential which alters the way the game has to be played, it makes me feel like we could have a modern version of those battles when you include the modern aspects of todays game such as 3 pointers, positionless basketball and whatnot.
I'm so happy both are living up to the hype. Desperately hoping we can get the privilege of watching them healthy and battling against each other for the next 20 years, like Kareem but if there were two of him.
This might be controversial, but I think Victor is by far the more talented between the 2. Chet, however, is way more polished, which is why he contributes to winning so well already.
Lol it’s not controversial at all. Most pundits and analysts are saying the same thing. It’s not even close
Most analysts focus on usage and iso possessions (ball in hand) and one on one feats such as blocks, which look great for Wenby. The reality is that so far Chet has had higher efficiency and a bigger impact on winning as measured by nearly all advanced metrics (after controlling for who else is on the floor). The advanced metrics aren't close. But, we are only at the midway point for the season and Wenby has been improving quickly. Wenby has the higher long run upside, but I also feel that most folks don't truly appreciate the impact of Chet. His defensive positioning and versatility is superb for a rookie and his gravity creates space and cutting lanes. As great as SGA has been, the one big roster change between the 0.488 team and current .771 team is Chet.
@joshb.1118 I'm very locked in on nba so I'm well aware of the stats and metrics. I also watch a TON of bball and have for nearly 2 decades. So I know the difference between a player in Victor's position vs Chet. It's undeniably easier to be more efficient in Chets situation vs Victor's.
@@domingow.17 Bro. Chill. I brought up a nuanced point and was not the one who brought up the "many people say" argument.
@joshb.1118 all good man. Just countering your counter point. No hostility on my end
Wemby Cook Chet 1on1
San Antonio desperately needs to hit with these next 2-3years of first rounders, or make good roster moves/trades. He needs a guard and a wing atleast. Jarret Allen also comes to mind.
They need to make moves. People were saying Wemby is good enough to win right now, and they were right. If they could get Trae Young, I think they could be a contender. That kind of move is what they need.
Imagine if they had traded for CP3? They might be in the playoffs right now. And Wemby would be the clear ROY, Allstar, and who knows what else.
both these guys are cold. Must see TV
They're both talented and both well headed and competitive, if they heek improving they'll push each other's to all time status.
One step to dunk from the free throw line btw.
I kinda get the argument for Chet as ROY. He’s really good. But it’s been so obvious to anyone that watches games that Wemby is the better player. Basically if you swapped their teams OKC would be so scary. It’s sad for fans that Spurs have been tanking all year with their “experiments”. If Wemby doesn’t win ROY he can thank Pop and Wright for that.
I think it is semi-intentional from Pop. I don't think Pop wants Wemby to explode too soon. He's trying to humble Wemby, but it might backfire. I think Pop has to go in 2-3 years.
Chet is set to become an all star, Wemby is something else
They are both amazing, but Wemby doing what he does with zero help (and I mean zero) on his team makes this easy for me. The way I think about it, if you switched their fortunes and put Chet on SAS I can't see it being so clear cut. But man, Chet's shooting is impressive (I mean everything is, he's awesome too).
there is one argument where Chet has more 'win shares' than Wemby, where just by adding him they have gone from play-in team to best record in the west. but i feel like Chet also benefits from the lowkey INCREDIBLE improvement not just SGA has shown this season but also Jalen Williams. SGA has obviously elevated himself into a frontrunner in the MVP conversation, but I feel Jalen Williams is also a frontrunner for MIP behind Tyrese Maxey. The guy is playing like an all star at times esp with clutch buckets - super underrated because he is buried behind Shai and Chet in these conversations. I argue Chet is not the clear cut 2nd best player on OKC behind Shai either, so against this line up, who do you load up your defense on? You can't really because there that many weapons. Meanwhile wemby has faced triple and at times quadruple teams and his open teammates continue to brick open shots
I am curious how high do you rate them in the 21st century of rookies? I find that more interesting than comparing them( which is impossible because the different situation)
I would really like to see these two play together, although that almost certainly would not happen outside of All Star games, which aren't properly competitive. Their differences would make them a nightmare, as it doesn't really feel like they'd get in each other's way that much, if the coaching was right.
Okay but seriously, how fun are the all star games gonna be with Chet+Wemby repping the west together for the next decade?
@@rachelespiritu4215 I'm not sure they'll go back to the old East/West format and unless they do something to make the All Star game more competitive, I think it would sadly be a disappointment. Hope to be proved wrong though!
@@stevieboymkii huh?? i thought they switched back to East/West format this upcoming All-star game? or am i just daydreaming
@@midsbv8960 you are right - I am behind the times! Honestly, the most recent All Star games have been so painfully boring, I haven't bothered paying much attention.
This month:
Wembanyama 25/10/3/3 on 61% TS
Chet 15/7/3/2 on 59% TS
He is literally averaging more of EVERYTHING on a way worse team without 3 playmakers that average a combined 17 assists like Chet does.
Does that include turnovers and plus minus?
@cabbage8742 Wembanyama is turnover prone sure, but he also is a lead ball handler in a lot of plays. I'm glad you brought up plus minus. Chet has +55, while being on the best team in the West and playing 3 more games, Wemby has 50 while on the worst team in the West and playing 3 less games. Wemby has a better plus minus per game. Youre right with the turnovers tho. He has averaged more turnovers, but also more points, assists, blocks, steals, rebounds, double his offensive rebounds and a better plus minus per game. Better 3p%, better FT%, better TS% and overall better stats on 26 minutes a game, while Chet plays 30.
@@mayhanay For the past month. Ok sure man
@cabbage8742 I mean for a career, Wemby has more points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals. He is third in stocks per game and blocks per game ALL TIME. He started off his rookie campaign shooting low percentage shots but now that the team has learned to play with him it's showing.
@@mayhanay Well he sure fills up the statsheet for a team that ain't going anywhere that's for sure. Good on him
Chet is not even a rookie.
True. However, it's "redshirt" rookie rule the NBA has had forever: Blake Griffin and en Simmons were ROY winners.
This is going to be a phenomenal decade-long rivalry. When these guys are both in their sixth year and have each added 40 pounds of muscle they should team up.
40 pounds of muscles would be detrimental to both of them (game and healthwise).
@@Max-kw2hpI've thought about this and I am well aware that your perspective has become the conventional wisdom over the last few years. Apparently people think it will make them injury prone and slower. But I disagree. First of all, these guys are young. Wembanyama just turned 20. They would naturally probably add 20 pounds of weight just by continuing to grow up and fully mature into their bodies. But by carefully planned bone-density-building and muscle-building exercise regimens they can add a lot of strength and explosiveness and weight without adding a lot of bulk. It's a pretty good rule of thumb that when it comes to athletics, it helps to be strong.
@@hiawathasbrother Yeah, look at Giannis. I think that is what they should strive for.
This is what Hakeem vs Robinson, KG vs Dirk felt like back in the day. Hopefully they are all time greats as well.
I have to admit, I'm very impressed with Wembanyama's intelligence. It's his brain that will make him great. I mean, yeah, his physical tools are special, but there are lots of amazing athletes who don't fully pan out because of the mental side of the game. Joe Alexander, anyone?
Can’t see how anybody can argue wemby isn’t roty. He cooked Chet this game.
I understand the comparison due to similar archetypes, but comparing their skills and talent is downright an insult to Wemby. As a 20 yo he's battling against the top players in the league and holding his own. Chet is a great talent, but man Victor is the GUY
I really like this rivalry. There’s no excessive amount of shit talking. None of that big ego speeches in interviews. Just two young, extremely skilled bigs that’s extra competitive when playing against each other.
The future of the NBA is in good hands
As interesting it is to note Wemby's IQ, Spurs trust his acumen to run the offense through him. So with all those reps he's going to be aware where his teammates at least should be given the situation. Just like in 2:45 where Wemby defends the close out on a smaller shooter then starts booking it to the other side. Because when a teammate gets the defensive rebound, he's already at the other side cross matched in transition with a smaller player! This is how the Sixers get Embiid easy baskets in transition. No knock on Chet's IQ either when he can play make in transition and read/navigate screens on defense well for his age. Since his shooting is instrumental for the Thunder's ability to space.
Post the Wemby video!!!
Excited to see Chet's development in the future. Having wemby as a rival is gonna make both of them way better as the years go by
Lol
Interesting to me how you didn’t mention the two times Wemby outright rejected Chet. Would have been 3x too
Bro actually have the bag of KD, Jokic and Giannis at the same time at 19 years old, man the 2030s gonna be fun
i do hope they will still show fierce competetion between them and never show some friendly accolades and shit. I want them to retire and eventually be friends and appreciate the competition they had going on
It’s a lot of fun and really cool to witness but tbh, I don’t think it’s that close. To me, Victor is a superior player and prospect by a good margin. Chet is fantastic but Wemby is generational.
I'm just thinking right now, will Chet still be like this if he did play last season? I mean he looks better than Banchero right now in terms of rookie performance but did resting helps him to be better?
Chet had the same game in college, this is how he plays basketball
God please let these two have healthy careers
SUCKS THAT THEY’RE BOTH IN THE WEST, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM IN THE FINALS
@7:50 is the closest we'll see a real-life alien vs predator. 🤣
Just some random thoughts, but I kinda considered wemby to be the taller, hypermodern version of tim duncan. Might have something to do with the fact that he is playing on spurs.
By taller, hyper modern version of tim duncan, im referring to the general impact rather than the particular skillset. Even then, assuming tim duncan is born in the 2000's instead of the 70's, who knows if timmy can master the same kind of skillset as wemby.
Wemby is on a different planet. Chet is great but they are not the same.
I think ben has a huge b0ner for tall long players. But that was an exciting match up out of fiction, i cant remember the last i saw so many unusual plays with players having their own show down so got me hyped in a while.
It’s crazy to think Wemby has legit Jokic potential except that he might be able to run more pick and roll up top. He’s still raw but he really has everything anyone could ever need.
This is like Ovi and Sid NBA version lol
One is in the road to be the next superstar the others are a very great role player.
The first is french the second is American
Lol, Wemby is gonna waste his prime on bad teams. Wemby is putting up good stats on a bad team. And Chet is gonna win a chip as at least the second best player.
Chet is special , but Wemby is something else entirely .
Both have ability+mentality
Hey thinking basketball, I wanted to get your genuine opinion on if Wembanyama is a generational defender
If wemby made that dunk at 5:50 there would be no RoTY race
0:28 kinda, he almost felt there, looked out of control for me.
We'll be talking about Chet vs Wemby for hopefully the next decade+
prolly just 5 years max. it used to be lebron-melo for 5 years then lebron-jordan for the next 15..
"Tallest point guard in nba history" bruhh😂😂💀💀
Fellow hoopheads,
We are going to be blessed to have these two dudes going at it for the next 15 years.
Count your blessings. Durability is always a concern for bigs and few ever make it to 30 and beyond with the ability to play a full season.
bol bol needs to lock in
We're going to see an incredible rivalry between these two players in the future. For me wemby is more creative and more talented than chet he deserves the title of rookie of the year. There's no doubt that chet will win a title quicker than wemby because he has a good team and he too is excellent wemby will also win a title but later I think. Wemby vs Chet is the future Olajuwon vs Robinson.
As you guys remember, Chet had an injury in his supposed to be rookie year. Being with the team for a whole year definetly helped improved his skills before he started his first nba game. Now imagine if Wemby had one season with the team before playing 🤯
5:46 This is what I don't really get about the NBA. They introduced a "flopping" rule to lessen it, but won't call this obvious of a push off unless the defender sells it by falling to the ground. I mean come on now.
This is something I'd like to investigate!
“Wemby snatches the rebound over the little kids” 😂
Seeing them duke is out was like watching Eren and Armin fight as Colossal Titans
Spoilers!
how do you expect a rivalry when wemby is allowed to truck over chet with no calls. That first one was tech worth because he just didn't press his choulder into him where there was already contact, he jabbed his shoulder into him football style.
I used to think that it's a fake channel ! 😂
i wonder if wemby is just too fun for coach pop to consider retiring for now
I don’t watch basketball for a week I come back vic is playing point guard 😂
OKC trades all their picks for Wemby? 😂🥵
This is the dream