Fun with Rails! - Whale Talk
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- Thinking about getting some rails? Not sure how to put them on or where to put them on?
@whalebonesworld explains why and how to put rails on your board. Rail talk!
How do rails slide? 01:16
Where should you put them for tricks? 03:35
How to put them on? 09:15
HSR rail sneak peak! 13:18
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“Protects the graphic on your deck” with that shit totally covered with rails had me laughing
The safest graphics ever... except all the screws holes
@@NHSSkateDirect I had the guy at my local shop install my rails… now I have a deck with 10 screw holes and no rails (thanks to his excellent craftsmanship)… you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself (Hank Hill voice)
I already know about rails but... I’m still watching this
That’s how you know that ron is awesome
Yep, same here, never skate without them.
I'm a Whale fan
Me too
I whaley, whaley like Ron Whaley.
It's hilarious how rails were the norm and now nobody's heard of them.🤣 they used to make small ones for your nose and tail. I just realized this youtube channel belongs to the same company I just ordered a deck from!🤣
Crazy right? I almost put in a part talking about the 2 decades when skateboarding was too cool for rails. Curbs and rails are bringing generations together.
Don't forget truck copers and lappers, too 🙂 For anyone who skated back in the day, it seems weird to try tricks with a bare board and no protectors.
It’s funny that rails are coming back. I used to skate with them on my deck back in the 80’s
I love the Whale talks
In the 80s Powell used to make rat nuts they were the best for fixing rails to your deck.
Yep, you had to drill through the deck to mount them, like with trucks!..
I never ever tought I would want rails again after watching this video. Just used them back in the early 90´s but I´ll defnitly try them again.
Right? It's weird how they were so common back then and then just disappeared for 15 years. Super fun for railsliding curbs.
Back in the day we put them on with different fittings.. Bolt and hex nut.. Solid
Ah yes, forgot about those. Rat nuts? Those were rad if you didn't mind seeing the hex nuts on your grip. I always thought they looked pretty cool. Thx for the memory!
@@NHSSkateDirect T-Bolts!
“It’s not the end of the world... It’s just 2020.”
you can loosen the clutch on the drill/power screwdriver so it slips out instead of stripping the screws
Super stoked to see this video! Being 43 , i just bought my 1st pair of rails in 25 plus years. hopefully i can slide some crusty blocks. thanks for going into detail about the installation and trick detail. i'm still riding my santa cruz VX mccoy board(best and most durable board i ever owned) . 200 lbs and its still 360 flipping. good to know you guys are still pushing decks through this time of uncertainty. THANKS SANTA CRUZ. Will/IS there a documentary about the company? would love to know the history/riders/story! MAHALo/ALoha FAT BOB
VX decks are amazing. Hope you haven on the rails!
Here's a little tour through the NHS skate museum for some history: czcams.com/video/P7D30brTDG0/video.html
I love your videos :) because we can easily see you know what you're talking about, and it's not always the case for other skate involved people.
informative and awesome video. Been skating for 20 some years but learned some things in this video. Thanks!
God i love ron. - im 6'5" 3/4 skater with size 15 foot. Just put rails on my 9 inch anti hero right before this.. crazy cosmic coincidance.
15's!
Thanks Rynno... There so many folks out there thanking Rynno on a daily basis... Put him in the Skateboard HOF damnit!!!
This is the best-produced informational skate video I've ever seen. Thanks, and great job on it!
Solid lecture, thank you!
Best video ever about rails.
Thank you! It was fun to make. Sliding on rails is a special skateboard feeling for sure.
@@NHSSkateDirect i just wanted to say the first video I saw of you was indy advertisement. I said not nice things. I tealy dis like indys. But my comments were directed at your person. I'd like to apologize. I've since watched other videos and your just hands down awsome as humans go. At least you seem like it enough that it made me feel bad so... I'm very sorry. Indys still suck though.
Just got some black santa cruz hsl rails and they feel and slide great!
Mad love!
This is a very comprehensive video. Good job
Thank you! Super fun to make. I hadn't skated rails in a long time and they let me do things I'd never done before.
6:04...lmfao! Shit cracked me up!
Great video Ron! Thanks!
Thanks Johnny!
Those HSR rails look good. Some of the design features remind me of the old G&S rails I had once, but it looks like Santa Cruz have an even better design & material.
I believe Keith even mentioned some inspiration from those G&S rails.
@@NHSSkateDirect I only remember them because they were good. 😉 I'll definitely be getting a pair of yours when they come out.
Well done!
Nice video, thanks !!!
Hey man, im loving your channel its a real diamond. just a tip: dip the screw threads in kerosene, makes it easier, and it absorbes into the wood. THANKS AGAIN!
Very informative guide
Glad it was helpful!
Ron is awesome.
Was contemplating getting rails for a while but I am definitely getting a set now. Never knew they had so many benefits.
Another use for rails is to put them in the very centre of your board to give it higher inertia making it flip faster. Board slides will be very scary though if you do put them in the very centre haha
I've never really thought about how they affect the flip rotation but they must have an effect. Makes sense and there's another thing to consider when deciding whether to put them more in the middle or closer to the edge. Thanks for the insight!
anyone remember when Santa Cruz made Slick decals ? it was like a sheet of slick (3pcs - nose, middle, and tail)
Yes! I always thought those were great. We need to make those again. Then any board can be a slick or you can use it for a specific spot/trick.
Love these videos!!
Thank you!! -Ron
Great video. You really covered everything except how long rails last in general before needing a replacement. But thank you for your time and extremely insightful video.
Depends on the brand.
I find Santa Cruz/ OJ Juice Bars to last longest and are the most slick.
Followed by Rib Bones.
The Enjoi rails were really the only ones that sucked. Much softer, grippy material.
@@vorpalblades are Creature rails the same material as the Santa Cruz rails? And can I fit 14.5" rails on a 14.25" wheelbase deck? Creature Stump 8.5 to be exact
I like 4 hole rails that come with double-sided tape.
This video also didn't mention rail or wheelbases in inches. What's a good rail length for a 14.25" wheelbase? Which brands carry that length of rail? What's a good length of rail for a 15" wheelbase? What brands carry those lengths of rails? Etc.
One question about rails: Do they weaken the deck any?
Will 14.5" rails work on a 14.25" wheelbase deck? Creature Stump 8.5 to be exact. Or do I have to trim the edges of the rails off? Looks like they will fit if I keep them moved inward a bit, but I just want to make sure b4 I drill any holes.
HSR rails is damn good idea!! I’ve been putting rails on my board since i started skateboarding, and have been facing those problems!!
Can’t wait for them to be released and hopefully someone would sell them in Japan as well. If not I’ll just get them from NHS online for sure!!!
Keep the awesome work NHS Factory!!
They should be available to the world around the end of March. The first 2 colors released will be black and white. Thank you!
Great video
Thank you!
I'm sure I will still try them out when they're released, but I'm not sold on the HSR taper design. The less rail material touching the slide surface the less friction there is. Sliding on the edge of a normal rail is going to be faster than sliding on the flat surface area of a tapered profile.
Interesting take. Makes sense for sure as far as more material in contact on a slide. So far, to me, they seem to slide just as fast as our Slimline rails. Might be worth it to try to turn them outward. That would make the sliding surface touch the least... and some people like the way look reversed as well.
Those SB’s look great with the flat laces!
Great skate shoes IMO. Just hard to get before they marked up in price. Sneaker life in 2022. ;)
this was so informative and cool
Thanks! It was fun to make.
This was great, really appreciate the innovation. Take my money already!
Ha, thank you!
I didn't know the role rails played in smith grinds ,,,thanks !!!!
Super super helpful video. That duct tape trick is money as well as the info about stripping the screw head. Also there shouldn't be a dislike button for this video.
Really nice video
Thank you!
Amazing video! An encyclopedic knowledge about skate deck rails)
Thx! It was fun to make.
I loved the part where he said if you consider yourself a real opener of jars try screwing them in by hand 😆 very informative video thanks
Everything Santa Cruz is awesome.. Santa Cruz, Creature, Independent, Bronson, OJ WHEELS.. SLIME BALLS! It’s all good quality! THANKS NHS I ordered some stuff last week and look forward to ordering more..
Btw which size Trucks for a 8.5 deck?
Our 8.5 trucks:
Independent 149's / Krux 8.5's / Bullet 150mm
Legend has it scientist Ron's board will never snap
Dude this was as complete game changer thanks for the 411
My pleasure! It was fun to make.
0:38 Huge rails fan here but never saw what Ron shows us here.
Skating it at Derby around 7:40. The nose and tails rails felt sketchy and all the rails nullified that flat rails slide feeling but still fun.
@@NHSSkateDirect Derby... "I coulld be at Derby right now... Yeah, Derby" (JJ, Streets on Fire)
I haven't used rails since 95.
Looking to get old school with my skateboard though. Throw some rails on a valley or hosoi deck and urkel a board up!
this dudes got some good tips
Thx!
I use the screws that go all the way thew. Keeps the rails from breaking or coming loose
Damn I haven't thought about rails since 1990 but now I'm seeing lippies on crusty grind blocks.
Love all the details, I've tried them out and I think I'm a convert because it's so much more stable sliding on rails. Can you talk more about rails on the tail and nose? Is there anything made specifically for those?
They made tail rails in the 80's and I always wanted to try them. I cut these to make something similar but wouldn't suggest cutting up a perfectly good rail to do it. They made sliding on the nose and tail unstable. If you're looking for something to make nose and tail slides faster I'd suggest Everslick decks.
Swarf cuts. Nice rails
Nice
Wow lots of info on how to install them
Blooop wuddup!! Hahhaha love 🐋 lessons
the shaving chamber is so sick
Innovation!
Gonna try those HSR rails when they release. But every set of rails I ever bought came with really bad screws. Most of the time they are to big for the holes in the rails, or the heads are just to big overall. Went to a hardware store and bought a little box of tiny tx10 Torx screws. Solved all my problems with rails! Smaller size and head gives you longer lasting rails until you slide them down to the screws aswell as a better fit and no slipping when putting them on! And they dont break!
They'll have our new screws which are much better and won't break. Although it sounds like you've got the screws covered. Thanks for the tx 10 tip! Good to know.
Whale Talk series is great! Does NHS sell that half-height hollow kingpin nut @10:13? Looks like a hybrid DLK kit.
I believe those are the upcoming Krux K5s
That is the new inverted kingpin that will be on the new K5's as well as the Indy mid. Both coming out soon.
@@NHSSkateDirect I can't wait to try out those new K5 trucks!
The background is beautiful, especially the artwork that is hiding behind him
Derby Park, Santa Cruz CA
😎👍-boop!
Great video 👍. Do they become less stable for slides if you put them farther in ? Maybe 2 inches ? Did putting them on the nose and tail make nose and tail slides more fun?
A little less stable, but it still slid flat until I wanted them to tilt. The nose and tail rails were very unstable though. They slid fast but the board kept going tilting into weird nose grinds. I think Everslick is the most fun for nose and tail slides.
Great video, as always! I'm interested to know about VX decks because that is the only thing I ride these days. Because they are thinner and have these two Quad X layers, is it still OK to screw rails into those decks? Will the screws go all the way through even?
Great question. Rail will work great on VX decks. If you use the screws that come with the rails they won't go all the way through.
Okay I have to get my hands on some Santa Cruz deck Rails 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
What about using a very small drill bit to create a pilot hole, thereby reducing the shavings pushed out by the screws, and easing their installation? Would this also help avoid any potential for delamination or weakening of the deck, or is that not really a big deal?
That will work and I know some skaters do that to get the screws going. Just make sure it's a really skinny bit (smaller than the screw for sure) and you don't go too deep.
🤙🏽
Do rails add durability at all? Like is a board with rails less likely to break on you if you're skating stairs?
At 3:06 is him at Concord Skatepark in Concord, CA 🤙🔥
Yes! Fun park. Tried to get a shot with the train in the background.
Concord skate park🤯
Whaley asmr when
surfing with the railien ....I like the thought of having them for smiths and feebles. ....Also just had a marketable thought but can't describe openly cuz peeps in this industry are heavy biters.haha no joke
I love rails and i hope rails love me
Interesting... imo the HSRs are more retro
Nice to have a new, different style of rail than the standard rectangular rail shape. A little lighter with that option of making that slide surface completely flat too.
Is it possible to fit 14.5" rails on a 14.25" wheelbase deck? Creature Stump 8.5 to be exact.
"rails protect your graphic" completely covers graphic in rails and adds some extra
Ha! Too true.
Ok question, why the 5 hole pattern on the rails instead of the old school 4 hole pattern?
What kind of wrist brace are you wearing?
I want to run only one Santa Cruz rail. Should I do toeside or healside?
Enjoi rails are the best. Santa Cruz ones are impossible to screw in well
Wheels wheels wheels , what are all the elite ojs like what are skating in this vid and why .?
When rails first came out in the late 70's they were made out of wood and they were primarily used for grabbing for airs (as you mentioned). But in the early 80's as board graphics evolved from basic logo's to bitchen art work your board felt more like a cool album cover and most kids used rails simply to protect their board graphics, because the average kid back then couldn't do airs or board slides. Also, back in the early 80's there was no stigma of being a kook because you had accessories on your board.
I'm 54 so my board sliding days are over but I have a couple of boards that have carbon fiber on the top and bottom of the board. Have you ever tested how carbon fiber boards slide versus wood ? I'm surprised that nobody has designed a board where the entire bottom is a hard plastic veneer for board sliding (like laminate flooring has).
I tested some carbon fiber decks a long time ago but it was more a strength based test an d we didn't really test them for sliding.
I remember there were some everslick alternatives back in the late 80's/early 90's. Maybe even pre everslick. I think Lib Tech made some decks with Ptex on the bottom that slid well. Everslick and the other brands slick bottom decks dominated that arena.
"If your strong enough and consider yourself an opener of jars" HAHAHA
Love these vids!! I recently bought some rails and a new Powell flight deck. Was going to go with the Santa Cruz rails but they were no longer in stock and thought I would tryout the psycho vision rails which I have never heard of. The installation went horribly wrong at ludicrous speed when I was drilling the first screw in and it snapped off in the deck. My second attempt I pre drilled a hole about the length of the screw and again snapped off inside the deck. I did this once more but drilled the hole through the deck completely with same result. Not sure if I have a quality issue with the screws or if the flight is just that hardcore and need something stronger. The Santa Cruz screws look a bit more durable. Any suggestions Ron!?
That's not an uncommon rail scenario. I'm not sure if it's the screws those rails came with or that's just the experience of mounting rails the for the first time or first time in a while. I put some on a few days ago and was like 'Here we go' even though I trust our screws and have installed many rails.
It's just such a small margin for error since you only have like 1/16 of an inch between the screw not in the deck and 'oops I went too far and now I need to move the rail and make a new hole'.
Screws breaking though. That shouldn't happen that easily. Sounds like hardware store wood screws will be better. Often they are sharper and make the process easier.
Hoe that helps a bit.
@@NHSSkateDirect Def first time with rails and with a flight deck so I've decided to just see how much abuse the deck takes until I'm ready to retire it and then experiment with the screws I have left and some hardware store wood screws like you have suggested and hopefully through science I'll have some answers on my situation. But thanks for your time and responding, much appreciated!
Is moving from a board slide to a smith easy? Looks fun
It takes some practice. It is much easier with rails if you use that teetering trick. Also, you can learn the motion without even having to slide at first.
I'd suggest trying it on something where your wheels won't get caught underneath in case you turn into the smith but your truck doesn't get on a grind. Curbs work great for learning them.
A few tips after skating slims this year:
Get a cordless drill (not an impact driver) with a *torque setting.* It's usually numbered 1-23 with 24 being full torque. I usually use 7 or 11, but it buzzes and vibrates instead of stripping out the screw
To line it up perfect, I start the screws in the rails with just the tip (lol) sticking out, then I press the rail down where I want it, making 5 little dents. Then I get a tiny drill bit, mark it 1/2" up with tape, and pre drill the holes
Also, instead of a "shaving chamber" I back out the screw and shave off the excess with a razor
I know it sounds really meticulous but I de-laminated a board after only 5 days I think because it had a gap between the rails and board (it was the exact same "8th dimension" board I replaced that I got 30+ days out of before) (maybe just my luck)
Rad! Thanks for the tips! Sk8 knowledge. -ron
I used Rat Nuts on my Board as a kid. Much better than Screws.
Anyone try the ‘cut up rail on their tails instead of a skid plate’ like in the video? I have a old school deck I want to prevent razor tail on lol
If you set them in a bit it might slow that down a bit. Right on the edge will make your tail hit the ground too early. It was an interesting experiment but skated sketchy.
When I was a kid I knew some skaters who made this special paste out of wood glue and toilet paper. Use a disposable bowl, pour some wood glue in there and add a little toilet paper, stir it up until it makes a thick paste and you can use it like a wood filler to replace the worn part of the tail. Let it dry overnight. You could even put it on a new deck and wear that down before it gets to the deck. I tried it a few times and it even popped pretty well. It can look a little sloppy depending on how you spread it on and you can always sand it off. So try it at your own risk. They called it "Blorpie". I swear I'm not making this up. Shout out to those innovative Watsonville skaters: Chris Poole and Big D.
@@NHSSkateDirect funny, I actually thought of doing something like that but with something called plastic playdoh lol I ended up making a skid plate out of thin plastic. Just waiting for my board to get here to test out this experiment. If it fails I will definitely try the cut up rail method! lol
So these are held in with wood screws... any reason not to use a stronger steel screw? Seems like that would be better. Does it damage the board or something?
The wood screws work well. If you're worried about them stripping in the wood there are companies that make "sex bolts" where you drill a hole through the deck and and the bolt attach from both sides.
My favorite thing about Santa Cruz rails is that they're 14" long where as almost every rail from other companies are 14.5" or bigger. Why would I want a rail that's longer than a majority of decks with 14.25" wheel bases!?
will 14.5" rails work on a 14.25" wheelbase deck? Creature Stump 8.5 deck. Or do I have to trim the edges of the rails off?
Just realized you're at Derby
Ahhhhh... Derby. Yes. One of the oldest skateparks in the USA.
If it's easier to slide and protects your graphics, what is there to be proud of?
I think some skaters would still say that it's harder to do a long slide without rails, which is true, but it shouldn't diminish the merits of a really long slide with rails.... if that makes sense.
Hsr rail seems that it will wear out faster, due to thinner material
Thinner but more durable and should actually last longer.
Soooo, that 'lighter design' (13:43) looks like it cuts a lot of the meat out of the rail. I wear rails down now just through regular use. Won't these wear through to expose the hollow part after a few sessions? Or is it just a small divot?
Great question. That's the cool thing about the new material. It's a lot more durable so it can have that hollow area. I haven't worn through them yet.
@@NHSSkateDirect Excellent. Thanks for the reply. I'll definitely check them out.
What is that deck at 6,59?
what about dark slides bro?! rails on top 😂
Yes! I don't think I've ever seen that. Sounds hard on the feet. ;)
I only use sex bolts. Keeping it old school!
The "Dust Dome".