Why Did the USSR Ask to Join NATO? (Short Animated Documentary)
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- One thing many wouldn't have expected in the Cold War was that the USSR asked to join Nato. Which seems a bit mad and so obviously it raised the question: why? To find out watch this short and simple animated documentary.
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"we're not an anti-soviet club"
"so can we join"
"fuck no"
LOL 😂🏆
They're an anti communist club. There is a difference.
@@Novusod Not a big difference ngl
@@Novusod Russian Federation was refused membership, even after break up of USSR
@@Novusod NATO is the anti-Russian club, no matter communist or not. Though, Russia is just a bogeyman and an excuse for NATO existence, the real purpose of the "club" is US neo-imperialistic dominance over Europe.
I really wish NATO said yes just for the awkward silence followed by a “who do we fight now?”
Would of been the Chinese because of the Sino Soviet split
@@citizenfoffie7605 and when they join what then!? i want to use my tanks dammit!
@@mso2013 fucking some country in Africa
@@citizenfoffie7605 haven’t the French assassinated about 22 elected African PMs? Nothing has stopped their imperialism even when they’re not even a world power anymore lol
@@citizenfoffie7605 it wouldn't last long, because China became o worthy opponent to USSR because of economical support of the West (and still is).
"can i join nato?"
"No dictatoriships allowed"
"But portugal is in nato!"
"No dictatorshiPSSSSSS only one is allowed"
"So You Prefer To Have A Useless State In Iberia Rather Than The Full Might Of The USSR By Your Side?"
"Yes"
"You Also Get Red Army To Keep Peace"
"Wait We Get To Use The Red Army?"
"Yes"
"You Mean That Insane Massive Conglomerate Of A Military That You Have Togheter With All The Veterans...
*AS PEACEKEEPERS?"*
"Yes"
"Ok You Can Join"
And Thus World Peace Was Achieved Because Anyone That Said No To Nato Got The Full Might Of The US Military And The Red Army At Their Doorstep.
NATO logic
@@basedperson1533 well then NATO finally can serve it purpose after all
Portugal has been an ally of the UK for centuries and Portugal didn’t go waging wars in Europe and trying to spread some stupid ideology. seems very straight forward to me that they got a membership while the Soviet empire did not.
@@Nickel_Eye no it didn’t?
In an alternate universe
USSR: hey, can we join NATO?
NATO: okay sure. So now what?
USSR: I don’t know, I didn’t think I’d get this far
Lol good comment
Alternate universe USA asks to join warsaw pact
@@jackhardy3905alternate universe the brits win
@@chri-k In alternate universe nazi won they make the USSR slave and the allies
the good ending
History Matters: "Why did the USSR ask to join NATO?"
Me: "They did what now?"
didnt russia do the same at some point
@@Velin_official how can you split russia though? That's a stupid thing, so probably didn't happen.
@@Velin_official I’m pretty sure that’s not what happened. The Russians didn’t want to join NATO after initial inquiries because they would have been treated as a junior partner to several other NATO nations despite being militarily superior to those nations.
The irony is that Russia is now in an alliance with China as the junior partner.
@@Velin_official
"us", "our", "us"
My apologies, but aren't you german?
@@Velin_official I suspect (but did not check) the condition was not so much to split Russia, but to abandon all attempt to re-unify with the other former Soviet states. Which is what Putin wants, to rejoin the 3 Russia (White, Black and normal)
NATO: "USSR can't join, because its a dictatorship"
Portugal: *unsuspicious whistling*
Yes but, Portugal could be controlled see?
@Ninja Crackpot we like you, but that does not mean we want to get steamrolled for you.
We learned our lesson with Nappy, and this time going to Brazil is not an option.
Spain 👀
@John Williamson it was a dictatorship, and you know it!
@John Williamson Please don't fail art school.
USSR: "Hey fellas can I join?"
West: "No dictators."
USSR: "But you let Portugal join."
West: "I said no dictator(S), we're allowed to have 1."
Classic Simpsons line!😂
Spain, Greece, Turkey?
@@NorthernChimpWhen Spain joined they weren’t a dictator
When Turkey join they weren’t a dictator
The coup happened when they were a full nato member
lol
@@irenaveksler1935 You are right, my bad. I had no idea Spain had joined so late. And in Greece and Turkey, the coups happened after, but still, they were US-backed, like in Chile, Indonesia, etc. Both NATO and those regimes were items of the same American ant-Soviet toolset.
@@NorthernChimp True.
USA: creates NATO to oppose the USSR
USSR: knowing this, asks to Join anyway.
Chad move
Almost like the USSR helped the Nazis start a world war, funded the Nazi Holocaust for years thereafter, and then turned right around and started the Cold War by getting the north to invade South Korea
😂😂😂
“Chad move”
"your collective mothers"
The humor of this channel is unmatched.
0:54
@@abdirahmanmusse8738 wot?
Was just coming to post that.
0:25
OUR mothers
Boys: ur mom
Men: your mom
Intellectuals: Your collective mothers
More levels in select qualified countries:
Young Boys: Ur Mummy
Boys: Your Mummy
Teens: Ur Ma
Adults: Your Ma
Intellectuals: One's Mother/Mama
Scots: yer ma'
timestamp?
I love ur mom
@@rockking2616 0:26
1:11 the painting 😂
USSR: Can we join nato?
US: who will we blame if you join us?
USSR: Can we join nato?
NATO: If you agree to give germany back its territory and start a joint disarmament program.
USSR: Nah, wasnt really serious.
NATO: we know.
@@benjammin3381 USSR: Ok we can
US: We knew wait what?!
= “I’m anti US and pro Russian. That’s all these silly comments are a proxy for. I’m so smart.”
@@coreyleander7911i’m anti USA AND anti Russia (I don’t hate Russians nor Americans btw) 😎😎
The real life version of “ you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take”
Your chances of joining NATO are slim.
But never zero.
As an XCOM player I can say that you miss 100% of the shots you take as well
@@steelbear2063 Except the ones with 3% chance of hitting. Which means it is somewhat surprising that Soviet Union did not end up in Nato.
Michael Scott
Kiiiinda. It was also largely a diplomatic move to get the goodboy points needed to start the Warsaw Pact, which I'm pretty sure was what they wanted really.
1:00 ''And when Stalin opted to follow in Lenin's footsteps and died'' this is one of the best jokes History Matters has made lmfao.
Yeah, I think Lenin took credit for someone else’s idea - either way, it’s a _really_ popular trend!
I spat out my drink then came to the comments to see if anyone else appreciated this as much as i did 😂
@@patchworkfellow4262 it’s such a popular trend that everyone does it eventually!
@@marshmellow6152 ikr
Yes
Little detail that I love : In 0:15 you can see a portrait of the King Leopold I of Belgium in the background, as the NATO headquarters are in Belgium it makes perfect sense
The USSR actually requested to join NATO during the Berlin Conference of January-February 1954. The request to join NATO was bluntly rejected by the UK, US, and French governments.
British General Hastings Ismay, the first Secretary General of NATO, went as far as to say that "the Soviet request to join NATO is like an unrepentant burglar requesting to join the police force".
and who makes british the cop if they stole the most from the world at the time
Although Stalin died and Khrushchev was clearly pro-West, it’s strange why they didn’t understand this
In an alternate universe...
"Why did the US ask to join the Warsaw Pact?"
Lmao
"well really it was a win-win"
@@ThomasonCG if the Warsaw Pact rejected the United States' application, it would be clear that the Warsaw Pact is an anti-capitalist alliance.
@@alinek2289 it is really a win win
@@alinek2289 But if it was accepted the dynamic of the Warsaw Pact would have drastically changed.
*99% chance they will reject us*
I love this channel.
Whaaaaat? 0:55 good luck telling me that
This channel is great 👍
I agree mate, it's way more simple than learning something from school.
TBH it woulda been way more interesting if NATO called their bluff and said "sure, you can join"
*Hoi4 vibes*
NATO has always been an anti-Soviet/anti-Russian alliance. The USSR asking to join and being denied just proved that to everyone else.
Ye but NATO have refused Ukraine
not at all, the soviets just asked to join for their own benefit knowing they'll get rejected. Stop simping for these mass murdering dictators
@@EmeraldGamerOriginal Whats your point?
Everyone does shit for there own benefits that's not new, NATO sacrificed Ukraine for there benefits what's your point?
@@salahabdalla368 you're so lost 😂 Nobody sacrificed Ukraine. The Nato just can't intervene directly without causing another world war.....
2:24 TBH these are pretty solid reasons.
Portugal moment.
@@PAC-0922 Even as a half Portuguese, I agree
I love how the video frames it as "Well maybe they would alll be drunk or something and say yes" and then it turns out CHURCHILL was the one pushing to yes
Churchill is the Yeltsin of the U.K.
Churchill was a mumbling drunk slob.
@@oilersridersbluejays You mean the guy that stood resolute against the Nazis practically alone and had a quick wit?
@@troysdownfall6547 yea he only had the biggest empire ever
@@everybeat3664 with a weak military, lesser technology, and most of that empire was in some sort of rebellious state
USSR: "Hey, can we join NATO?"
European leaders after a night out drinking: "Yes, welcome!"
USSR: "Wow that actually worked?"
And we’ve had world peace ever since.
World peace achieved
@Oritra Kar No because then the Hitlers of the world can do what ever they want :O
@@PrivateMcPrivate They can't attack neighbouring countries inside the same defence pact, because that would violate.. literally everything.
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I love how you draw all the leaders drunk but Churchill is normal, like alcohol does nothing to him.
Thank you for clarifying that. Putin in a speech mentioned that Russia asked to join NATO and I was puzzled by that. The next question I have is why we promised to not expand NATO to the Soviet Union but broke that promise with Russia. The tactical reasons, not the legal reasoning.
I would argue that the reasonings to expand NATO were not tactical but still operating from Cold War mentality as well as US imperialism.
Just imagined if they joined, peace would be an option lol. From Russia's point of view I can imagine NATO being the agressor, adding countries so close to Russia to the alliance etc. Was bound to happen at some point.
Military Industrial Complex, they run the show, conflict is really good for their bottom line.
they never made an agreement. LOOK it up.
Putin himself wanted to join NATO after 9/11
There's a universe where the US said yes and instead of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy and Krueschev were clanking Coca Colas at a summer retreat in Crimea.
No it be Pepsi.
@@brandonlyon730 the real cold war: coke Vs Pepsi
@@brandonlyon730 with the Soviet ships ironically sold to them
@@kameronjones7139 there’s a video on this channel that explains that deal between pepsi and the USSR never happened lol
I get that this is a US-based channel but the Cuban Missile Crisis begun when America put its missiles in Turkey and Greece and Soviets retaliated. And Kruschev was given the promise that if he disarms Cuba, then America would pull out of Turkey and Greece. Obviously Americans never held their word. Anyway my point was imagine a universe where the US doesn't bully and threaten the USSR by putting missiles at their doorstep
The Soviets genuinely tried to pull a Zuko walking up to the Avatar’s gang and asking to join them.
"Hello Molotov here"
Charles Goodyear guess that's also something a finnish person would say in the winter war when he sees a russian tank
actually Zuko pulled a Molotov, several times
Also sounds like something a squeaker would say in a game.
@@AgiHammerthief I mean a fire bender and someone throwing a molotov is not to different.
I wish this was included in the GCSE cold war spec, this would be incredibly interesting to learn
For anyone wondering what flag is on the wall at 0:57 it is the Red Ensign, specifically Canada's variant which was used as a national flag for much of it's history before settling on the current Maple Leaf rather recently. Several Provincial flags are also variants of the Red Ensign with different configuration of crests on their shields. I only registered what I saw on the second watch through, so thought I should mention it in case anyone else missed it.
This has been Sheldon Cooper of "Fun with Flags."
I noticed it (me being Canadian), but I did ask myself, why is it here?
@@brcycaCanada has a major part of starting the Cold War, because a member of the USSR Embassy in Ottawa told the Canadian Government what he was doing which was sending information and if anybody ever found out he would shot, which never happened.
So what youre saying is, The Warsaw Pact was the Soviet Union saying 'Fine ! Ill make my own Alliance, with Blackjack and Hookers!"
"You know what?! Forget the alliance!"
"fine I will do it myself"
Damn, I was one hour too late for posting that comment myself
NATO : Sorry no Germanys.
USSR : But you have West Germany!
NATO : We're the no Germany-s club. We're allowed to have one.
Well that's pretty much what happened
I like how Churchil is the only one who isn't drunk. The man could hold his whisky
The end of that sentence hurt me
He e whiskey his would too yes
You, on the other hand...
Indeed he should be a could would whiskey 😂😂
He could but apparently you can’t hold your liquor
THIS is the only channel I need to hear on 1/2 time.
Great video 👍🏻
''You collective mothers'' will be the new insult i will use in daily life.
I prefer "your 1000 fathers"
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@@FlagAnthem that doesn't seem good Enough
Jesus leave the guy alone.. Ahah
no you wont, because you too scared of retaliation
West: Let's make an organisation to fight the communism
USSR: Can i join?
West: *bruh*
@Caesar Sanchez there is nothing based about nato or the west.
@@mojewjewjew4420 are you blind?
@@mojewjewjew4420 agreed.
That doesn’t make sense
@@mojewjewjew4420 NATO = extremely based
0:57 Very clever sneaking in that Red Ensign (Colonial Era Canadian Flag)
Russia: Did you created NATO to attack me?
US: No.
Russia: Can I join?
US: NO!!
NATO is a defensive alliance, not for attacking.
@@jcb3393 well if they allowed them to join there wouldnt have been a real for anyone to attack each other
@@jcb3393 that is what an idiot would say
@@lightningstrike5024 wtf are you talking about? Russia attacked Ukraine.
Remarkable how brainwashed you people are. “If you didn’t create NATO to attack me you must let me join!”
"And when Stalin opted to follow in Lenin's footsteps and die"
The greatest line ever
I decided to follow their footsteps when I heard that
I just about fell off my couch and had to go back and re-watch that bit twice, ROFL!
Beria was one of Stalin' killers.
I literally spit my drink out and had to re-watch it multiple times. hilarious.
@@niki123489 Stalin was 74. Old age was Stalin's killer.
History matters fans: James bisonnette this, James bisonnette that
Kelly moneymaker and the others: are we a joke to you?
Yeah Spinning 3 Plates and Izzy? too
Izzy? Was my favourite
When I hear Kelly Money Maker, it almost sounds like someone is funding money on both sides.
@@LudicrousTorpedo ooo cia agent spotted
Nice to be appreciated 😊👍
This aged like a fine wine.
I had no idea the USSR actually wanted to join NATO before forming the Warsaw Pact, interesting video
"History Matters: Answering the questions you didn't know you had"
I had that question.
So how many times have you finished The Witcher 3?
@@MouldMadeMind BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAD IT
Somewhere in an alternate universe: "Why did the USSR decide to join NATO".
"it all happened after the entire nato organization got drunk after a party and as a joke they accepted the request, thus uniting germany earlier and allowing the ussr some degree of freedom to invest into the population and not the military development
after this the ussr collapsed into smaller states in 2005 not overnight but in a more slow and organized manner where the population live standard wasnt too diferent to the west"
@@Kevineitor199 The good ending
@@Kevineitor199 The USSR was projected to be the world’s Number One Economy in 2004.
sadly that never happened I wish if I could restore the USSR
@@UAEanimation Okay Putin.
I love this channel so much. One character saying "your mother" to another to demonstrate hostilities is already a great gag, but Stalin saying "your collective mothers" gave me a beaming grin
Hits different now
0:32
Soviet officer: “Okay so we’re looking to weaken the UK however we can, we have a lot of leverage over them with our massive army so what should we plan to do?”
Other Soviet officer: “Alright, hear me out” **takes Northern Ireland**
LMAO
You been playing HOI or something?
@@Memphismastermind I can imagine that conversation too:
“Ay, it’s fine, see I play this game called Hearts Of Iron 4 I know what I’m doing”
Anyone know if this was referencing anything in particular?
From what I remember the Republic at this time would have been significantly more open to socialism than the North
@@Memphismastermind just keep watching u will notice northern ireland turn pink , he is not making an hoi4 ref
Soviet Union: *I'm playing both sides so I'm always on the Top*
Is that you Palpatine?
Every politician ever.
My cousin when we play dodgeball
My cousin. Im playing both side so i always come on top
"I see this as an absolute win"
They almost do the Italian move
super super useful!!
I love that you get to the heart of the real reasons behind events and the motives driving them. You call a “physical device for extracting loose ground cover’ a “shovel” rather than going with the political language used by most historians. Very refreshing.
“Your collective mothers” lmfao
It’s honestly scary that this piece of history is totally ignored in the school books. At least it was in my books.
I believed the first time someone in Russia asked was Putin when he admitted he asked Clinton.
Had no idea this happened before the Warsaw pact was created.
So dissapointed in our modern history coverage in school and media ... And those are the same people that preach inclusiveness to everyone that uses a wrong word ...
Agree, they thought us Warsaw pact was east and communism answer to NATO... well it was, but completely wrongly portraited to us as a students...
@@elvirhurem2013
This little tid bit of history doesn't change anything. All it did was show the political posturing for the USSR in how they were able to make a pact of their own. It was always a counter to NATO.
@@SeanUCF agree
@@SeanUCF, doesn’t change anything? It proves the West could prevent the whole cold war. How is this irrelevant?
very good . keep up the good work
I’d love to peak into an alternate universe to see what the world would look like had NATO allowed the USSR to join.
Maybe it could end up being a military version of the UN, with all countries eventually joining the alliance.
Flying cars, no cancer, bases on Mars and the Moon 😂
@@zionismisterrorism8716or could have rendered itself useless from the inside. The UN did nothing in the Invasion of Ukraine because Russia had veto power.
A similar thing like this could have played out. It's also hard to add new members in if even just one country is in disagreement. The USSR could use the alliance against itself.
@@triadwarfare Most military alliances become useless if there are enough members who disagree with each other. Even NATO is crippled now by Turkey not allowing Sweden to join. The more members you have, the harder you are to control. That's why the one government NWO will never work.
Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine would probably join too and there would be peace in Europe.
Could you possibly make a video about what Germans outside of Germany during WW2 thought about Germany and its invasions? (That's a lot of "Germany" but that's the best I could word it)
You're brilliant!
@@liverking24 This video is sponsored by Brilliant
Maybe “What did the Germans not living in the Third Reich think of its invasions?” is a better title
brilliant topic. I hope this happens
For what it's worth I come from a very Germanic part of Canada and quite a few people went to fight against Germany in both wars. I can't say much about the whole world but German-Canadians didn't seem to be big fans of the 3rd Reich. This is most evidenced by the fact that a lot of the local war memorials are covered in German names.
1:45 the one guy falling over really got me
Welp. Should have said yes in hindsight.
USSR: "Can we join Nato"
Nato: "sure"
US Warplanners: "wait what?"
China: you did what?
@@aussiejezza world peace break out lol
Hi Greetings from China, nato what?
@bang bang Government locking me up? nahhhhh i think you're desperate cause usa locked you in Uyghur usa concentration camp, if u need help please blink your eyes twice
US: Warplanners: *peace was never a option*
1:45 Love that drunk Churchill is just regular Churchill.
Coool video
Thank - you .
One half of my brain: imma ask that girl out
the other half of my brain: *99% chance they will reject us*
So you're saying there's a chance.
@@JarrodFrates i like those odds
It's a win-win.
They??
Ironically the Russian Federation came pretty close to joining NATO in a period of co-operation between 1998-2001. They had observers at high level NATO standardisation committees as a Partnership for Peace nation along with 33 other non NATO countries including Brazil, Chile, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Finland and all the nations that subsequently became NATO members from eastern europe who were former Warsaw Pact nations. I personally witnessed a Senior UK MoD civil servant being presented with the Russian Federation's peace medal by the Russian Defence Minister. We came that close to uniting the whole of europe and the US with Russia.
And then what happened? The US.
@@sombraarthur Pretty much. The goal of NATO to members is for national defence. The US however uses NATO as a tool ensure their top spot as a global hegemon. Russia and China are serious contenders for creating a multipolar world. USA policy since the intentional dissolution of the Soviet Union has been keep Russia contained. I am against the current invasion of Ukraine, but before it started the Russians had a reasonable demand, stop expanding NATO east. To them they correctly recognise it as a threat which will put nuclear weapons on their doorstep. Personally I think the whole situation would be a lot better if NATO was disbanded and replaced with an EU alliance with no USA. I doubt the Russians would feel threatened by this. They may even want to join.
@@countessmargoth469 Russia applied for membership and was rejected
@@differentsoul21 because reasons?
@@Mewzyc ask yourself.
1:44 I love that Churchill is completely fine after what was presumably a night of heavy drinking.
If they said “Yes” there wouldn’t be a boogeyman no boogeyman means no military industrial complex that takes billions annually
What about china
NATO actually reduces military spending, because European countries have cut their own defense spending because they know the US will bail them out. If they had to protect themselves, then they would need to buy more weapons.
@@badluck5647 save that bullshit for kids under 4 pal I knw NATO and that alliance hasn’t helped anyone in Europe or the world ✌🏻
NATO: "You can't join NATO, Russia! You're undemocratic, and you're occupying lots of countries that don't want you there!"
Portugal:
You dont need to be a democracy to be supported by the US, just ask south korea
I was thinking the same thing
That BS about democracy is just a convenient excuse whenever US have to say NO for less pleasant reasons. For example, they don't want Russia selling gas to Europe because it's "undemocratic" and as the alternative push the pipeline project to Turkmenistan which actually has "democracy" and freedom of speech levels worse than North Korea; and as this is not enough, the pipeline goes through Turkey where Erdogan rules longer than Putin with more authoritarian regime. "Undemocratic" in US-speak means only one thing - "we can't puppet them".
its kinda funny because they were colonial powers themselfes lol
@@cianakril it's called hypocrisy
@HistoryMatters an important detail for why the whole reunification and neutrality of Germany was refused, was that the soviet's wasn't prepared to withdraw their troops from German territory. This was obviously an important detail, as the western powers feared that the Soviet union wouldn't really allow a reunified Germany to be neutral. They also feared that the Soviet union may have wanted to use Germany as a staging ground for further communist spread.
Just came back here from.the Tucker Carlson interview for a refresh.
It's unbelievable to hear that Putin asked Bill Clinton if they could join 🤯
Why? Putin licked US's ass throught the whole 2000s. Your propaganda may disagree, but putin was proamerican traitor for the first 15 years of his rulership. Then he realized that he is too heavy bag of shit to carry for US.
"Why did USSR asked to join NATO"
Me: they did WHAT
why not? they were allies just few years before it
Um br aqui?
russia also tried to join after 91
@@leonardoleo5740 não
@@sodinc i mean china wasn't world power yet right? so it would be alliance to defend from...who exactly?
USSR: Can we join?
NATO: But who'll play the bad guy?
Pretty clear that Russia is the bad guy now
@@TheQWER9 What if they said yes ?
@@KrissNaramon Then Russia wouldnt have to worry about NATO stopping them since they are a part of it
@@TheQWER9 Would we have to see todays event ?
@@TheQWER9 Russia is just trying to keep nato bases and missiles off their border. NATO has been boxing in Russia for years each NATO country has a nato base with missiles on it. Think about it.
This is such great stuff
1:47 I love the really small touches, like Churchill being an alcoholic and seeming much more normal than the rest of the leaders.
1:02 Probably the smoothest transition from death to soul I've ever seen.
NATO: USSR cant join because its dictatorship.
Also NATO: Welcome aboard Portugal, Greece, Montenegro, Turkey..........................
Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia.
Turkey was more democratic when it joined nato
@@Plasmify Montenegro is basically a dictatorship of one man who is in power since the 80s
@@kostam.1113 Was/is
@The Caliphate That's authoritarian, not undemocratic. If a non-secular, Turkish speaking nation was voted for, then that would be democratic. FTR idk if Turkey actually was a dictatorship or not but your argument isn't exactly convincing.
brilliant how you didnt change churchill's character design during the scene where everyone is drunk, implying he's just drunk all the time
great video. ty
I absolutely love that in the "They'll get drunk or something" scene it implies that Churchill is always drunk, which isn't entirely inaccurate XD
That and he was in favor of the USSR joining as far as I am aware.
Best comment ever
" When Stalin decided to follow in Lenin's foosteps and die.."
This channel will actually end me
*thud*
u mean u will follow lenin’s footsteps, right?
remember, dying is communist, so don't do it.
Just like stalin in 1953
Teach me
Thank you. Here's something that looks like a good history bit with no agenda, unlike in other channels.
That was a chance for a world peace..
Imagine if they have said yes, the cold war might have relaxed right away and the time line would have been completely different
Given that the West had nothing to lose, either, these Soviet leaders showed that the entire charade was a shakedown to fill the military industrial complex coffers.
They actually took Eisenhower's stepping down message to heart, as the world order would need a de-facto villain.
Now the USSR was vile, sure, and committed long-lasting atrocities against the west via subversion, but they had nothing to gain from being the perpetual target for money-wars and having to sink half of their GDP into defense just to keep them at bay.
Wouldn't that be similar to if league of nations was nice to Japan and Japan stayed a British ally? Sure war would be different, but still so much suffering
@@darrenjackson4804 actually the Anglo Japanese alliance was one of the conditions of the Washington naval arms treaty just by the americans as it would mean they would in a possible outbreak of war with them mean having to fight two of the other three largest navy's + having to fight them on the two fronts.
They would have fought China
Yeah, with the Soviets absorbing western Europe by 1970.
How I think Global Superpowers use diplomacy to gain leverage: Intricate & elaborate spy games
How the game is actually played: "Can we join?" "No" "Aww, ok."
It honestly seems to me that NATO should have been courting Russia to join. If the fear is Russian military aggression, binding them into a huge defensive treaty that expands over time makes aggression increasingly difficult for anyone involved. At the same time, globalization tends to result in more democratization over time, so strengthening ties with Russia would be a vector for ideology as well. Even now, if Russia were a part of NATO, Russia wouldn't have cause to be concerned about sharing borders with NATO states(Not that it truly matters, tbh. The difference between missiles coming from your neighbors and missiles coming from the nearby seas is like 2 mins), and the rest of NATO could rest easy that Russia wasn't going to try and gobble them up piecemeal.
Yea, however one of the requirement to join nato is to have unanimous agreement from current members. This means if russia join, then they could prevent any other unprotected countries to join.
@@kosmas7713 This is, in my opinion, a weakness of NATO. However, I still think that being in NATO would have increased the political leverage other countries had over Russia.
@@GhostedJackal This attempt to join wasnt very serious. Like the video said, they knew they wouldnt be allowed in and instead asked to gauge their response.
yeah, but who'd be their biggest enemy then? how they'd feed their ever-hungry military industrial complex?
It goes to show that they were genuine when they the concern is a national security threat on their borders. Joining NATO would have prevented them from invading their neighbours and it would have also guaranteed that nobody would attack them. NATO evidently didn't want that. So when NATO arms and trains an army on the Russian border to fight Russians, what are the Russians suppose to think? Trust me bro it's a defensive army I pwomise.
You have so interesting accent, please can you tell which accemt you have?
I always watch the outro credits cause
1.This guy makes 3 min of epic content so the videos are worth to watch untill the end
2. James Bissonette
Also he sometimes adds a joke after the credits
spinning 3 plates
Hail James Bisonnette!
At this point the James bizonette memes are Half the fun
I miss Azarka Flash.
Sometimes it feels like politicians are just playing a very weird version of truth or dare
And someone who knows politicians they kind of are.
This may seem completley unrelated, but when I think of the episode where Doofenshmirtz joined OWCA, that concept by itself (ignoring all but the concept) is similar to this in a way (probly not many though) opinion
this is a fun look at history.
You could make a video about yugoslavia during the cold war, i think its very interesting
Yes!
He did a vido on it already
Agreed
@@himselfz
No, he did one for Yugoslavia in WW2, not cold war.
He could also make 20 minutes of scream in serbian and croat and add gun noises in the background.
Quicker than people running thru the daisies
Hey a ron player!
@@esamsed6487 sup lol, rare to find but if we find it anywhere, it's a history or roblox video
@@JG-bf2gk yeah lol
They would not let it because it would mean peace and prosperity.
Right, because the USSR totally wanted peace and prosperity. It’s not like they had their own ambitions or anything.
@@seanmacguire6898 alright there buddy, with that kind of thinking we will get nowhere, or wait yes we do, we are exactly there where your kind of thinking brings us. Good job man. The world is in a good state right now huh.
@Duplizapper
NATO was created to keep the US in and the Russians out.
@Duplizapper you know country's can just leave NATO. So even if they tried to take controll of the members they would just leave
So the USSR was like somethings fishy about this let me ask to join cause I'm tryna see something 🤔
Stalin:Teach me your ways Lenin!
Lenin:*Dies of brain failure*
Stalin:*Dies of brain failure*
Stalin:...Really?!
Lenin: Should have said OUR ways!
OUR FAILURE
stalin actually died due to the aftermath of a stroke, which is different than brain failure, your brain can actually still function after having a stroke, it's just that you lose learning capacities and a lot of knoweldge. a stroke is an accident when a vein pops in the brain, leading to the destruction of diverse neurons.
Stalin despised Lenin, their ideology of communism is very different.
@@joparojopstar239 no he didn't? stalin had large respect for lenin
this channel asks so many good questions that none of us would ask
Nato should have said yes. The best policy is to try and include everyone, everybody being friends, no enemies left outside.
China left outside.
But adding USSR or Russia or China into NATO hurts America world domination. Russia and China are the only 2 countries that can look USA eye to eye and say no. They can’t be bullied into doing America bidding. And if you add them to Nato then how will America justify the alliance and how would America be able to sell weapons of war if you have no bad guy that must be destroyed. And Russia and China are Asian countries so they are lesser in the eyes America and Europe. China,Russia and USSR did nothing wrong and did not deserve to be singled out as outcast but they necessary to NATO and America military industrial complex. They are the great evil that must be killed and best way to do that is bugs unnecessary weapons of war by America.
@@saimyintmyat9373 North Korea : :((
@@miya9953 With Russia in NATO it is easier to invade NK.
NATO is controlled by short term bonus greedy people, not by people who think of the future of mankind.
Then in 2000 PUTIN asked CLINTON (former US president) to let them join NATO. They said NO again.
And for good reason. NATO would be throwing Eastern Europe into Russia’s hands again.
@@seanmacguire6898 , That was not the reason. If Russia had join NATO then NATO wouldnot have had a reason to exist. USA hegemony is sustained on wars.
Yelstin also asked in the 90s and they still said no
@@redvlandro
Exactly. Russia was wanting to join NATO to kick the US out of Europe, and unsurprisingly nobody wanted that.
@@seanmacguire6898lowiq murikan ahh answer lol
1:44 it's subtle, but you can tell he's trying to contain his own laughter
*USSR:* _Why can't we be friends?_
Спасибо! / Thank you!
This aged very well
I didn't know this, i thought they straight up just formed the Warsaw pact right after ww2. It's very interesting and a rabbit hole worth digging into.
same
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Considering the Soviet Unions tight hold of the Eastern European nations the Warsaw Pact was more of a propaganda tool than anything else
Surprise - USSR wasnt empire of evil, and after losing 27 mln of people - want peace without blocked. But...
@@brunishka Surprise, it was, its actions in east Europe proves it
Alternate Timeline
NATO: “Ok you’re in”
USSR: “huh I didn’t think I would get this far”
I would like to imagine that the west would make another bloc with new rules that would prevent the soviet loop hole shenanigans. As Ultimately the two were bound to become adversaries after the preceding events.
@@abdurrehmannasir5963 A: New Bloc.
B: USSR joins, germany gets demilitarized but restored, everyone's actually at peace for a short time. Sino-soviet break-up happens, and now the entire world is staring down the barrel of a gun as the USSR is just trying to inform NATO and go "hey. Uh. Guys. We have a small problem. I don't know how to handle this. H-hey? America? Can you.. ... What do we do?"