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Ireland Has a "Ridiculous" Attachment to Neutrality? | Irish Neutrality Debate | The Tonight Show
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- Ciara Doherty is joined by Kieran Allen, Senator Lisa Chambers & Professor John O’Brennan to discuss Ireland's neutrality and what that really means today.
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00:00 | Irish Neutrality Undermined?
00:59 | Triple-Lock
01:36 | Military Neutral
02:13 | "Ridiculous" Connection To Neutrality
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(RAF a member of NATO) patroling our aerospace and you state we are neutral . get a grip
Every independent nation must be able to defend itself. Irish ppl agree on that, surely? Else, what was the point of Independence from Britain 100 years ago? Even Ireland, with its fortuitous geography, has to be able to defend its national territory. If not, why have an army, navy or air corps in the first place? If ppl.can agree, some defense is needed, which is national policy, then the question is how much defense? Enough that Ireland doesn't have to call the RAF when Russian bombers enter Irish airspace. Enough naval power to ensure the Russian war ships off Donegal, Cork and Galway don't sabotage the sub sea cables. Every other neutral country is armed to the teeth and able to defend themselves, e.g Sweden, Switzerland, Austria. Ireland is a complete oddity in the developed world in defense matters. I am saying, to be a fully sovereign, independent nation, the ability to defend yourself is part of the package. Sanctimonious self congratulations on UN peace keeping efforts is masking the reality that the country is effectively defenseless. As one of the speakers correctly said, freeloading. Shameful.
Off you pop. Send us pictures from the battlefield. Oh brave warrior of the Keys. What warzone have you been in? Sorry I assumed you had experience in war. You ran your mouth like you do. I think a new rule is you and people like you along with your sons brothers and nephews should be put to a front line. I mean, you wouldn't have any objections? Surely that would be hypocritical?
@Sterling Archer By your logic then, IRL should have no army or navy and be defenseless. Are you an idealistic dreamer with no actual solutions then?
Be neutral if you want but put your money where your mouth is and pay for it. You can't rely on the US, Britain or NATO to help us. If we're so mature then act it and stand on your own two feet. We have to pay for our neutrality 2 or 3 % of our 504 billion would be about 10 billion. if you're going to spend so much why not join NATO, your money goes a lot further. Neutrality isn't a free ride. I think neutrality made sense when the country was developing but not now as a mature state we need to take our place among the nations of the world.
Neutral countries who don't medal in other countries concerns don't usually have problems FACTS do some research.
There was a High court case (Horgan V. Ireland, I think) where the court decided that the use of Shannon by the U.S. military beached our neutrality but was legal with the permission of the Dáil. Anybody who feels we should help Ukraine is free to go there and fight themselves.
Lisa "unvoted" Chambers lost her seat then gets a Senator post??
How could we ever be neutral. Ireland depends on Anerica for its factories and the EU for all its money it gives us
And britain for it’s language.
@@janeeire2439 you can’t be dependant on a language? If you’re trying to say we speak your language you might want to refresh your history as to why… your surname is beautiful
The americans owe us more in 2023 than we ever did to america, multi-billion dollar companies who set up here for tax breaks, and yes we should have outright refused to allow american military jets from using shannon airport,
Ireland is not dependent on American the other way around we fought for our independence not to fight Americans proxy wars that American citizens disagree with American is only 1 of 4 in the world
"We have the luxury of geography. We are not positioned where the Estonians are positioned. We haven't had the same historical experience." - Right, Ireland has the luxury of geography to not be positioned right next to a larger country which would invade and take some of its territory. I think(???)
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We had neighbours who hated us for Centuries so think on that?
There's nothing more pointless than war.
I was born in England. No blame there, I also have dual UK/Eire nationality. Brits don't hate the Irish, (except a few brain dead morons, 10 a penny any where you go) if anything the exact opposite is true@@seannamadra5675
When did the Republic of Ireland become so trigger happy?
It supported a thirty year war in the North of it's island. It's been trigger-happy for a long time!
We need out of the EU an throw all politicians out as well,this is the way.
Why do we need our of the EU?
Crackpot suggestion.
Neutrality is just so you don't have to fight.
Not true, there are some circumstances it's indefensible not to fight, but peace is more desirable,
We can always depend on the Black and Tans to defend us.....come out ye black and tans come and fight FOR US if ye can!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ireland 🇮🇪 must stay neutral
Yes! Sweden will regret giving hers up?
NATO today will take you to war that the whole idea of NATO Americas international army.
Neutrality just means taking the evil's side
@@saveliyfilistovich No it's not and here's why the definition of neutrality is not supporting or helping either side in a conflict, disagreement etc, from the Oxford university dictionary 😂
@@clover1475 by refusing to fight evil, you support it
From: Patrick McCarthy. It is of my understanding that perhaps the issue of neutrality in Ireland is so very complex,
knowing that PEACE is not an easy word of definition: Yes? The bible tells us " Blessed are the peacemakers ... ,
and " To every thing there is a season ... a time for war ... a time for peace ..." and all the rest. I would like to express
my thanks and appreciation to the participants for raising the level of consciousness: Kindest regards.
We should build up our military
Has Ireland no self respect? Switzerland , Sweden and Finland have all been neutral for decades but they have always had a real defence capability. Their guns have always pointed east. Ireland is positively gushing about the EU project. Totally aligned. But Ireland has never had any meaningful defence capability. No need? NATO will come to our aid. Austria is neutral as a result of agreement for the withdrawal of Soviet troops in the nineteen fifties. That is different. But even that has now run its course. That guy ,in the video supporting neutrality like it is a religious cult , basically is saying invasion of a non threatening state by an authoritarian predator is none of Ireland’s business……militarily. He is saying in effect, “We support you but we are not going to help.”
This is truly pathetic.
But like me and the majority of the Irish people believe we have no reason to get involved in the affairs of mainland Europe. Ireland has been the historically punching bag for Britain with constant invasions and genocides and now that we have true freedom for the first time in hundreds of years we should focus on our country and no other. And why I do think we should invest more in our navel sector of the military it should be only to protect Irish waters
Yes I have a problem when we support one side over another. Ukrainians are not guilt free in this situation and definitely not Zelensky.
Less guilty than the orcs though.
I agree 100%. Besides, the Russians (like the Chinese) are our friends.
And the Irish weren’t guilt free when the British occupied the country. Do you even hear yourself?
@@mightyturnip5070 I never mentioned the Irish or the British. Let’s expand on the Zelensky comment. Zelensky was installed by the US following a US supported coup. He immediately banned all pro Russian parties and media. They then started to have said certain issues with non-Ukrainians. So 24,000 Bulgarians had the leave the country. There have been issues with the Hungarian population and obviously they have been anti-Russian from the start. Btw this was all in one of worlds most corrupt countries in the world. Take five minutes and actually check the history of Ukraine and you will realise it is not as the MSM say.
What
So what we build up a army just like the US/British built on the lives of those who don’t have any better options unlike this professeur. His kids won’t die, he won’t die but some poor family around the country will lose a son, a daughter because this man wants us to interfere in another state.
Like the US in Iran, afghan etc because they were all righteous. No the only thing that will change will be the death of Irishmen for the image of our Taoiseach in the eyes of the EU or US.
If Afghanistan/taliban never attacked the US we would have had no reason to be there.
If usa hadnt actively funded mujahadeen to destroy afghan socialism and feminism, or used saudi bases to attack middle east. The two organisations you are refering to, would not exist.
Laughable. Troops in Shannon not to mention the Geo-Engineering going on here. The sheep bleating to the script they are given.
Ireland's neutrality is vital. Keep it.
Those North Atlantic cables that run through the sea's off of the west coast of Ireland are strategically important to the British Americans and the French. There all going to move to secure them to ensure no potential Russian sabotage.
Russia didn't carry out a terriost attack on EU
Nordstrem. USA UK and Norway did
Neutrality Needs to be continued Stop being Neutral About the North of Ireland It's Time to Establish the Citizens Assembly on Irish Unity Anois
When is John o brennan joining the front.🤣
Who do these people think they are this must go to a referendum tds,think they own the country they dont
Let the people decide
No covert querrilla state
We're not and never were neutral.
Yes we were. Throughout the Second World War we maintained neutrality. Churchill would make grand speeches in Westminster calling for Ireland to join the war. A week later De Valera would respond in the Dail saying we would not join a war between two empires. This was a time when Irish independence and sovereignty was maintained and coveted.
Now the Irish political class can’t do enough to try to impress their overlords and enhance their own personal wealth.
Well I would have sided with Spain in the anglo Spanish wars. I would have sided with France in the Napoleonic wars. I would have sided with Germany in the first and second world wars and I side with Russia in this war.
@@biulaimh3097 Interesting that you would have sided with one empire that wanted to use Ireland as a backwater farm for their own benefit. Basically you would have preferred to be part of the German empire than have independence(?)
@Free Speech Is Never Wrong Ireland was not neutral during World War 2.
Allied airmen who crashed in the Republic were brought to Northern Ireland. While German airmen who crashed here were held in the Curragh Camp.
Where possible allied aircraft were also repaired and returned.
Ireland shared maritime and military intelligence with the allies throughout the war.
Allied aircraft were allowed to fly over Donegal in an air corridor to the North.
In the lead up to D-day it was Irish weather stations who provided the weather reports the allies needed.
Not exactly neutral.
@@hippy1922 Ireland being neutral did what was best for Ireland. For example, we kept our lighthouses lit because that was what we wanted to do. Britain wanted us to turn off the lighthouses. The Germans were happy we did that but it wasn`t to help the Germans or annoy the Brits (although that part was very pleasing :) The reason we kept the lighthouses lit was for our seafarers and so the Germans would know when to turn back. Obvoiusly we didn`t want German bombers flying over Ireland unintentionally because accidents can happen.
Nuetrality and cowardice are two different things...if we were not nuetral in WW2 the demobilisation of troops and armalites from Europe would have been impossible and took decade's..decades the allies didn't have...
Actually A lot of Irish men died fighting in WW2.
Time for Ireland to put its big boy pants on get in the game
You need to stand up Ireland!!!!
Ireland is f.....