Roland TD-50X with DWe Drums and Cymbals - Must See!
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2024
- Roland just came out with an update for the TD-50X which allows the TD-50X module to be used as the controller with DWe kits instead of a computer. It also allows one to use Roland cymbals with a DWe shell pack as well. It works great and it's a free firmware update for the TD-50X module that is out right now.
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Yes you can still of course trigger the DWe or other software using the TD-50X's USB/MIDI or MIDI ports. Good question!
Very informative stuff. Would certainly be cool if they add a functional roland style cymbal to the DWe wireless configuration one way or another.
Agreed! We feel they should put the wireless tech into Roland cymbals but still make them able to be plugged in as well so they work with older / other modules.
That is pretty awesome, i'll wait to see what the next roland flagship has in store though :) I want to see the DW VST sounds in a roland module as that's always been the sticking point for me and i'm sure a lot of others, the sounds. I hope they are working on that next, gotta be!!!
Good feedback!
Now this is really cool
I will be installing this update tonight!!!!
Ok save any custom kits you have created or stock kits you are in love with as it adds/overwrites kits on the previous firmware. You can always reload them after the update.
@@Edrumcenter Got it!!!...........Thanks!!!
Great info! What they need to do…. Since DW and Roland are the same company now, is make the Roland cymbals wireless with the DW cymbal underside and Roland top cymbal so that you can have wireless DW drums with wireless Roland cymbals. Also, make that update for the td27 as well. Maybe you guys could send that up to DW/Roland as a suggestion
Thanks, Jim
We have already asked them for this but you commenting will get seen and help reinforce it. Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for this video Erik and team! One question, can you still trigger sounds from DW SoundWorks software with this setup? Like by maybe plugging the TD-50X to a MacBook Pro and choosing the TD-50X as the input to trigger sounds on the Mac? That will allow to use both, either module sounds or DW sounds by turning Local Control Off, maybe?
Yes you can!
Great update on the update guys 🙂. Small bit of constructive criticism - I found the background music too loud, to the point of being distracting. Perhaps consider turning it down or doing away with it completely except for the intro maybe?
Great feedback on the music we feel the same!!!
Those DWe cymbals don’t seem to natural rebound like real cymbals. The Roland 706 cymbals seem to have more realistic attack and rebound. Am I correct? This is a big factor for me whether to purchase the Roland kit or the DWe kit. I hope to hear from you….thanks!
The DWe cymbals are metal so the stick feel is more akin to an acoustic cymbal. However they have an undercarriage which makes them stiffer and heavier than both acoustic cymbals and the newer Roland "thin" cymbals. Give us a call to discuss!
I’ve been researching and been so torn as what to get between the VAD706 or DWe kit. THIS is what I want. DWE shells with Roland cymbals and TD50x. Went to your website and the shell pack is out of stock. Noooooo lol.
We are in the process of creating packages for this. In the meantime contact us and we can create a custom order for you. DW is still a bit behind on production but we are about to order more so let us know what you want and we will order it. Or better yet just get one order with a small deposit.
Guys.... what is the update Revision number for Td50X?
It's TD-50X version 1.10. Here is the link to download it from Roland's website. www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/td-50x/updates_drivers/201eb796-c2c3-4be4-97fe-17f96c13c3f3/
Other than getting direct outputs for FOH, what are the pro's of sending the wireless into the 50X module as opposed to sending to the PC soundworks directly? Isn't the Soundworks drums samples superior to those found on the 50X?
Really just need the Roland thin e-cymbals & hi-hat mated to the DWe kit and make them wireless as well. Getting an upgraded wireless hub that includes direct outs would seem the way to go.
This is the only way you can use a DWe shellpack with Roland cymbals right now. The other benefit is you can use the Roland TD-50X direct outs ( all 10 of them ). Saving you having to buy an interface for more outputs. If you want to trigger the DWe Soundworks software you can still do so by using the MIDI out of the TD-50X.
Maybe real cymbals should be included with DWe sets or VAD706 series and include a wireless mic that attaches to the cymbals stands to patch them through. That way you get the best of both worlds. Just thinking & throwing out ideas.
Is there any hot spots, mainly on the Toms and Snare? ....and can you use the TD50x midi USB out from the TD50x to my Mac and continue to use Superior Drummer 3?
Hot spotting does not seem to be issue with these drums. The drums perform very well! Yes you can still use the USB/MIDI out to trigger software for sure.
@@Edrumcenter thank you
Can you use Soundworks samples in the TD50x, or is this only for what sounds you already have on the TD50x? I already have an expanded VAD706 kit, so it would be great to have the shells wireless & also use the new DW sounds with the TD50x module. Last question - Can FoH control the shells from the sample outputs at the back of the module? I currently send all 8 outputs to our splitter/monitor desk & FoH can mix toms, kick, snare respectively.
Nope
You can trigger the Soundworks software from the TD-50X module. You can route the direct outs from either internal sounds or the DWe sounds trggered from a computer ( or layer them ).
So there is no delay from the wireless? I used CME bluetooth and there is a noticable delay from contact to sound.
I don't think you can ever say no delay on anything wireless but in this case it's so low that it's hardly more noticeable than using a cable. Keep in mind that even while using cable the electrons need to move from one place to another so there is always some latency.
Would this work similarly with the Pearl Mimic Pro?
No it would not. Pearl / Slate would have to collaborate with DW to come out with an update for the Mimic Pro to make this happen. We don't think that would happen at this point.
Hello have a question. IS this connection with the Roland module can go with cables as well and not use the wireless system?
No the DWe drums don't have traditional inputs.
Will you see all the pads individually when using digital outs to a mixer or DAW?
Awesome question! We will double check this and get back.
Absolutely
Hi guys, can I use the direct outputs of the Roland TD-50x module with the DWe, in other words, can I send my instruments separately to the FOH?
yes sir!
Yes, you can! I've downloaded the new update to my TD-50X and I didn't lose any of my previous settings and my direct outs still work like they did before I applied the upgrade. All of the settings that is in the DWe hub is now in my TD-50X module. You can use your existing Roland pads and cymbals with the DWe/Roland upgrade.
@@rogerwhitsettdrummer2922 Great to hear it's working smoothly I know you wanted this functionality and it's one of the reasons you made the jump. 🙂
@@Edrumcenter , Hey Erik, Yes...everything is working as advertised! I'm still going to purchase an audio interface so I can use the sounds from DW Soundworks program live!
Thank you Roger ✌
Can i use soundword and play with digitals pads without the drum module ( plugin the pads directly in a pc) ?
It’s work with superior Drummer (except for some feature like positional sensing)
yes
Is there any benefit to doing this versus using the midi connection? I’m wondering if there’s any additional latency doing the midi method. I’m not too keen on dropping another $2800 to get a module if I can use the midi output with something else (like an eDrumin 10). Any thoughts?
The triggering with the TD-50X was incredible. No latency at all because there's no computer involved. That's the benefit. You also get the TD-50X's direct outputs as well as the 32 channels of Audio or MIDI over USB.
@@Edrumcenter Thanks! Do you see any benefit to using the direct/usb method versus the mini-midi jack on the DWe module? Since the TD-50x only has 3 digital inputs, it seems a shame to "waste" one of them on this if you also had the digital Roland ride/hihat/snare pads. OTOH, if you bought the DWe shell pack you could use its snare instead of the Roland. Anyway, just curious if there is any noticeable difference between the 2 methods.
Can it work with the TD-50 upgraded to TD50x?
Yes for sure the hardware is the same between TD-50 and TD-50X. So as long as you’re on this latest firmware you are good to go.
Does this update apply to the td 27 as well?
Not that we are aware of at this time. It should be possible though, we will ask Roland about this.
Ok. Let me know because I’m in the market for a new ekit. And if the td27 can do it that will be the selling point
@@nathananderson1605 you’re not happy with the simple TD 17? With some work you can get phenomenal sounds… Although, aren’t you a little bit curious about waiting a few months to buy the new Alesis Module!!!??? You could use that module which blows away the TD 27 module and build a hybrid kit
Is it me, or when the gentleman is playing at around 6:51, there seems to be a lot of lag? Is that my imagination? Or is that a video sync issue?
Hallo sir can I use my Roland vad drums kit to the new thing Love from Mik Roy from Denmark ❤
Yes you can!
This is great news. Now dwE just needs to bring the trigger tech minus the shells so I can buy 4 10 inch trigger kits and have an e kit with wireless without the need of an overpriced shell pack.
Great idea! A portable DWe shellpack. We'll bring this up to them. Thanks for the feedback!
Necer going to happen, but roland will release wireless pads with plastic shells
Now we need a module upgrade from the td50x that has 4 digital imputs instead of 3 so we can run digital hats ride and snare while hooking up to the dw hub that also has sd3 built into the module like the mimic pro has steven slate even the new elesis prime has software based tones built in and lets face it if roland truely wants to stay on top the software based tones from sd3 are needed considering the drum tones ofered by roland is its week link but if roland did what i mentioned in a new module that has the individual line outs it would be the ultimate for live use edrumming other than an upgraded module that has better tones this is a game changer especially if you wanna hybrid setup that is wireless for live use the cymbol connection is even that important considering most live use ekit users are still using real cymbols
Good feedback thanks!
Will this work with the td30k?
No this only works on TD-50X. So if you have a TD-50 it would have to be updated to the TD-50X first. It utilizes one of the USB digital inputs for it to function. If you still have a TD-30 kit you can trade in your TD-30 module and get the TD-50X module. Contact us through our website www.edrumcenter.com for details.
This is why I am hesitant to purchase a VAD 507. I feel I am on the trailing edge of technology...be it hard wired setups.
You can see the overall future is wireless. The fact they could mate up their high end module to the DWE is a sign of things to come. I'm sure youe going to see wireless VAD sets to come. The triggers could easily be dropped into VAD shells w some kind of dedicated module/brain.. They just proved they've been working on it. I'd prefer a wireless VAD kit w a dedicated module vs laptop and hybrid DWE. I don't need acoustic capability and its additional cost. Just a wireless VAD 507.
You make fair points. Thanks for the feedback!
A wireless VAD is coming, no doubt about that but it also will cost 10000 so…
wow , super cool idea. To not use it wireless ... I like that dwe to be able to use it as acoustic as well . Although is a lot of work to convert it to acoustic. anyway.
Thanks for watching!
the cymbals are the weak part of the dwe. roland ones are better. they may look good but they dont feel good.
Thanks for the feedback!
sounds like typical roland plastic drums
Thanks for the feedback!
WHAT
little disappointed, if you compare this out of the box with other new released edrum sets from other brands, there must be some more adjustment work.....
What new kits are you referring to?
@@Edrumcenter new Alesis, EfNote, Gema....
The EFNOTE PRO is the only thing that compares on triggering. Especially on the hi hat.
promo sm
Is all this talking an actual drum sound? All I heard was a lot of yapping. I’m just asking for a friend? 🤓
Thanks for the feedback!