"You fell into the pool there." "They said you were fired. Were you stealing things?" "Jed Bartlet's very impressed with you. He likes the work you did with the girls' group with the stupid name." I love how the President of the United States's head speechwriter has, like, ZERO tact. xD
Nah. Celebrity publicists and Washington Press Secretaries are such two different species that anybody that goes from one to the other practically disappears into the void from the perspective of their bosses.
I think her old boss was put into a bad position that necessitated her being fired to keep that client. It felt like her old boss didn't want to fire her in the first place and, if anything, I'd hope she was glad that CJ got back on her feet and went on to be successful.
I think the douchebag director/producer guy would be more PO'd. Blew a chance to have a positive nodding relationship with a part of the Washington power structure.
"Avert your eyes." ".. _What?_" "I'm climbing out of the pool, my clothes will be clingy, avert your eyes." (laugh) "CJ, I really didn't come here- " "AVERT YOUR EYES!" "'kay."
She REALLY should have fell into the pool again on her way to the house... just the splash and perhaps Toby giggling... no visual then cut back to Ron in the present.
Yeah, that's one of the great things about TV shows and movies. You can take hours at a time to not only come up with the lines, you can also record them in such a way that it would sound like people could sound this witty when most people really aren't. The meter in the conversation is not realistic in real life.
+Mr. Thorax My interpretation was that she was being sarcastic because it's SO much less than she was making. It was her way of kind-of-complaining without actually complaining.
Guesswork Probably, yeah. My point is there is no reason to ridicule or assume that this dialogue is poorly written, just because CJ knows her previous weekly salary.
It's not that hard to convert from weekly salary to annual. You get pretty close by multiplying by 50. I'm pretty sure Toby gave the amount in different units in order to make direct comparison more difficult. Because it's a LOT less. It's not just a pay cut, it's an income class cut.
I love when Toby mentions Leo's name she takes interest. Mention the future president, nothing. Mention the man behind the president suddenly she gives a shit.
Yup before it's Toby: "He likes that work you did with the girls group with a silly name." CJ: "EMILY's List?" Toby: "Yes" CJ "He's never heard of me has he?" Toby: "No"
Bartlett was the Governor of New Hampshire. She knows that he would never have heard of here. Leo McGarry is known to be a big hitter in the Democrat party. He may well have been aware of her work in state level campaigns. When Toby tells her that the candidate wanted her she dismisses it. She accepts McGarry might actually know who she is.
Bartlet was a small state governor and former Representative. Leo was a former Secretary with major influence in the Democratic party. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Nathaniel Williams - Keep in mind that this was during the campaign, not the White House press secretary. Not sure what that pays but I’m sure it’s not $600 a week. LOL!
As someone who was pulled half-dead out a pool by an seventeen year old voluntary lifeguard (I was in my forties), he has a point. Be careful around water. I'm a very good swimmer, hit the pool unexpectedly, and tried to breath the water. It is not an experience I recommend. Result was two months in hospital with pneumonia and permanent lung damage. Seventeen year old lifeguard visited me in hospital, met my daughter, and I decided that I couldn't really refuse when he asked for her hand four years later.
People (myself) are always scared to graduate on their own and never get out of their comfort zone. When Toby says it I feel like it’s enough to boost CJs confidence and take go for it. Later on she graduates again and becomes Chief of staff. Fucking love this show ❤️
"...dropped from the 3rd most person in Hollywood to the 9th most person in Hollywood." "Does that still make the playoffs or is the cutoff line..." LOL
I think Bruno Gianelli (Ron Silver, *RIP*) said it best; Bruno Gianelli: "Man, you have got a killer body. Do you know that?" C.J. Cregg: "In fact, I do."
I started watching this when Channel 4 (UK) showed it years ago. I started having a crush on Alison Janney, probably because of CJ. I love women like CJ. She is smart, intellectual and sassy. She has an understanding of her place in the world and she has to be smart 24/7. I love that sort of woman. I now know Alison a bit more through other work and still think she's fabulous. She also has the most amazing body...
Allison Janey is a tall, gangly woman... until she speaks. When she speaks she transforms into an incredibly beautiful woman. She inhabits C.J. and turns her into a three dimensional creature who makes me believe that there's goodness in the world. Whatever Allison wants I hope she gets.
Anyone else realize the economic difference of 8 years White House Senior staff experience will equal for CJ? She just got canned as a PR flack for not being able to overcome a studio mogul's high-financed, high-profile flops. Toby basically recruits her for a campaign job that probably couldn't finance an apartment in DC in the 1990s. Contrast that with the final months on the Bartlett administration... where she has Fortune 500 CEOs offering her more $$$ that her former Hollywood boss makes massaging the egos of Hollywood mega-producers.
Love the scene, love the characters and love the actors. Funny how Toby flies cross country on orders from Leo and shows up on the EXACT day CJ gets canned from her $550K/yr job. It's almost as if Leo knew this was gonna happen.
Its this scene that makes me think CJ and Toby had an affair. The only way you react so cool to someone falling in a pool is if you;ve seen them naked. Then she says avert your eyes and he laughs like - I've seen it all before - and she shrugs and admits he has. Best couple in the West Wing and thats a tough field.
I had to come here because of all the depressing current political news that I get too involved in. I needed something more altruistic, hopeful, and yes, a laugh for a change. And CJ is too sexy for her shoes !!!
The closest I could find was a WaPo article from 2004 on the Bush White House. The Press Secretary then earned $157,000 a year. The Presidential salary was doubled in 2001 from $200,000 to $400,000 and with political appointees, the Presidential salary is usually one of the highest if not the benchmark. My guess is, salaries in 1999 were probably a quarter of what she earned in the private sector, so probably about $135-$140,000 because she was Press Secretary and Assistant to the President, whereas Deputy Assistants make less and Special Assistants are the lowest of the third grade. There are limits on the number who can hold those titles; in the Obama White House, only 17 had the designation of "Assistant to the President." Below the three levels are the bulk of the staff: staff assistants, legislative assistants, greeters, secretaries, record keepers, etc., and they earn between $40,000-$50,000. Generally the people with regular access to the President receive an assistant title. The White House Chief of Staff decides in consultation with the President, which grade a staff member falls into. The White House Personnel Office (which Debbie Fiderer was said to be a part of in "A Proportional Response,") actually writes the checks; they're the White House H.R., with ultimate authority probably being the Chief of Staff for lower ranked jobs and senior staff jobs perhaps being ultimately up to the President (I mean senior-level people such as Deputy Chief of Staff, Communications Director, etc). Exactly how much a person earns is, like elsewhere, determined by education, experience, etc., so you could have two Deputy Assistants and one earns $81,000 and one earns $84,000, for example. It was mentioned in an early first season episode "Five Votes Down," that Leo McGarry made "$40,000 a pop on the lecture circuit," so you definitely take a big pay cut to serve in the White House or government service in general. But of course you're usually only there for 2 or 3 years, maybe 8 if you're someone like Valerie Jarrett or Condoleezza Rice and Stephen Hadley, all of whom served 8 years in their administrations. But most people burn out after one term at the most; it's very long hours (not necessarily always as long as the show portrayed) and very high pressure work. After three or four years of that, I'd definitely go take a one-day a week lecturing job at some college for $60,000.
StrangeAngel03 Toby was already in a relationship with a woman called Andy who later went on to have their children. However Andy had turned down Toby's marriage proposals every time so she is never brought in with a big part in the show.
There was a scene (don't remember the episode) where CJ did something spectacularly well, and she looked at Toby and said "You wanna make out with me right now, don't you?" and Toby answered "Well, when don't I?"
almostfm Pretty sure that was during Leo's Big Block of Cheese speech in SGTE,SGTJ when CJ arranges no cameras for a debate-protest that Toby is going to.
+Indi Heaton - At this point Toby is already married to Congresswoman Andrew Wyatt. Toby identifies her as "she is also Mrs Ziegler" during a scene during the transition period after winning the first election. At that point they are starting out on fertility treatment. Now, when Andi does get pregnant they talk about getting married, but it is about getting re-married. They had divorced prior to series 1, probably due to the stresses caused by infertility and two busy professional lives.
I always thought that they'd had some kind of relationship in the past, before Andy. Because they do have such flirty banter, and I'm pretty sure it very lightly indicates at one point that either they did previously date or were very close to it.
They’ve both been working in Democratic politics for years, it’s highly likely they’ve worked on some campaigns together, and met at functions. The flashbacks are not about how the characters met each other, but how they all came to work for Bartlet. By your logic we’d need to see how a whole bunch of the other characters met for the first time, since most of the principal campaign staff had met previously. The only truly new character in the flashbacks is Donna.
That’s the pay during the campaign, and it would have gone up after Bartlet got the nomination. As the actual WH press secretary, her salary would have been over 100k/year.
$600 a week even for a small national campaign press secretary seems even 20 years ago a bit low. Obviously I know it's just during the campaign & if the campaign wins then she'd get more as most senior staff but still $30k is I suspect low even for probably state level office campaigns unless it's someone like me... who know literally knows then ok it make sense. BTW I like no one knowing me :).
There is just so much going on here. We've already met these two characters. This is a flashback. Its purpose is to show us how close these characters have been since before Bartlet's campaign and where CJ was before Bartlet as well as where Toby finds her. He gets lucky. Had he talked to her a week before this event or a week after, he'd probably catch her in a better opinion of what she does in Showbiz. I mean she'd find another job that paid as much as she had been making. She's a cat she woulda landed on her feet but Toby catches her on a day where she got fired from her job, lost her glasses and falls into her own swimming pool, and he gets her for a song cuz he's a sweet talker and he knows how to play her. I doubt Leo McGarry asked for her by name either. Toby just didn't want to be press secretary. He was saving himself grief by picking the person on his rolodex best fit for that position. He doesn't just do this over the phone. He drives to her place unannounced. This is not a common occurrence for either of them, so while they know each other, we get the indication they're not so much friends as coworkers who happen to run in the same circles. Maybe they are friendly. Perhaps CJ thinks of Toby as a friend in the same way she thinks of everyone she meets as a friend until they cross her and then watch out buster you'd better install eyes in the back of your head. There's also a kind of symbolism going on here, tho perhaps tongue in cheek. Seems the writers have gone out of their way to get CJ wet. This could simply be an opportunity to increase ratings since Allison Janney's physically appealing in or out of a wet suit. However, I would rather believe the reasoning behind the water was more than just "sex sells." It's a kind of baptism. Leo's John the Baptist bringing Mary Magdalene into the fold. Okay the symbolism doesn't hold water well under close examination, but she makes a point to ask Toby if Bartlet is a good man and Toby's poker face is terrible. However, we know CJ is a "good man" in some ways she's shown she's made of sturdier stuff than most actual men. Later in the series she stands toe to toe with foreign diplomats and retired five star generals and comes out on top. While she doesn't single handedly save Bartlet's campaign, her presence does prove to have a cleansing effect. It's also just a funny, well written scene that gives us a chance to see these two characters in a different light. We see a Toby with a little less of the weight of the world on his shoulders. We learn what CJ gave up to help Bartlet win. What she sacrificed. Half a million dollars a year is a lot to give up for one's political aspirations and personal convictions, but who could say no to taking a stab at being in The White House?
I can't find the scene anywhere where she gets fired. She's talking to the director/producer guy that slipped from 3rd to 9th and says something like "It was a bad movie. All the publicity in the world is not going to change that."
No, and we don’t need to, since the flashbacks are about how they all came to work for Bartlet. Most of the principal campaign staff had met previously.
There's no scene that shows CJ's & Toby's past association. They were both players in Democratic politics, and probably crossed paths several times even if they didn't work together before.
I wonder how many takes they had to do for this scene. Did Allison have to dry off, change clothes, and fall into the pool several times before they got it right?
And meanwhile all I can think about are the papers sitting there soaking and sinking in the water. LOL
That's going to mess up the pool filter.
OCD represent!
They were more than likely from her old job.
@@JoshFriedlander ✊
@@Rougarou99 why'd she bother to take them with her if she didn't need them?
A rare sight that Toby smiles and even laughs... Quite a rare sight indeed
I mean... a tall chick fell into a pool.
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It's funny.
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He hadn’t really started his job at this stage… he was still young and carefree!
@@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff The scene in the Manchester bar takes place some time before this. He is neither young nor carefree then. 😀
Love it when CJ asks: "is Bartlet a good man? That question of presidents should be asked more often (and in iambic pentameter)
Do you think Jed Bartlet is a good man?
Putting the stresses in the right places sounds off, otherwise that’s iambic pentameter.
"Is Jeb Bartlett a good man?"
This scene, this scene right here tells you all you need to know.
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They're politicians ya dope, they all sell their souls to Satan to get into power.
Something... something... Pinafore.
He is a very evil man, like all US Presidents. @@stevechance150
"You fell into the pool there."
"They said you were fired. Were you stealing things?"
"Jed Bartlet's very impressed with you. He likes the work you did with the girls' group with the stupid name."
I love how the President of the United States's head speechwriter has, like, ZERO tact. xD
Its kinda like how comedians are often the saddest people in the world in person. Its a contradiction that is often very common in people.
To be fair, "Were you stealing things?" kills me every time.
That’s what you need in a speechwriter. Someone who doesn’t have it themselves so they can recognise how and when to use it in a speech.
One of the few shows that had first class writing and actually gave the actors a chance to act.
What I find sad about this scene is how Toby laughs. We hardly ever see him smile after this.
This was before his divorce from Andrea.
Michael Anderson He didn't really smile much even before that though.
He smiles when he finds out babies come with hats
I was thinking the same thing, Rudy Juarez.
Women'll do that to ya.
Since the moment this episode aired, all I kept thinking was “CJ’s old
boss must be regretting the day CJ got fired.”
Nah. Celebrity publicists and Washington Press Secretaries are such two different species that anybody that goes from one to the other practically disappears into the void from the perspective of their bosses.
@@samsonguy10k She became WH COF and could consider world domination a wise career move.
I think her old boss was put into a bad position that necessitated her being fired to keep that client. It felt like her old boss didn't want to fire her in the first place and, if anything, I'd hope she was glad that CJ got back on her feet and went on to be successful.
I think the douchebag director/producer guy would be more PO'd. Blew a chance to have a positive nodding relationship with a part of the Washington power structure.
"Avert your eyes."
".. _What?_"
"I'm climbing out of the pool, my clothes will be clingy, avert your eyes."
(laugh) "CJ, I really didn't come here- "
"AVERT YOUR EYES!"
"'kay."
She REALLY should have fell into the pool again on her way to the house... just the splash and perhaps Toby giggling... no visual then cut back to Ron in the present.
Toby: "how much were you making before?"
CJ:"$550,000 a year "
Toby: "this pays $600 a week"
CJ:"so this is less.." Lmao
Yeah, that's one of the great things about TV shows and movies.
You can take hours at a time to not only come up with the lines, you can also record them in such a way that it would sound like people could sound this witty when most people really aren't.
The meter in the conversation is not realistic in real life.
David Coffey I think she knows her previous weekly salary.
+Mr. Thorax My interpretation was that she was being sarcastic because it's SO much less than she was making. It was her way of kind-of-complaining without actually complaining.
Guesswork Probably, yeah. My point is there is no reason to ridicule or assume that this dialogue is poorly written, just because CJ knows her previous weekly salary.
It's not that hard to convert from weekly salary to annual. You get pretty close by multiplying by 50.
I'm pretty sure Toby gave the amount in different units in order to make direct comparison more difficult. Because it's a LOT less. It's not just a pay cut, it's an income class cut.
His line delivery is so brilliant
I love when Toby mentions Leo's name she takes interest. Mention the future president, nothing. Mention the man behind the president suddenly she gives a shit.
Yup before it's
Toby: "He likes that work you did with the girls group with a silly name." CJ: "EMILY's List?" Toby: "Yes" CJ "He's never heard of me has he?" Toby: "No"
Also at this time Leo McGarry name in the party was bigger the Bartlet's.
Well, that's also because Toby was lying when he said Bartlet wanted her but he was telling the truth when he said Leo wanted her.
Bartlett was the Governor of New Hampshire. She knows that he would never have heard of here. Leo McGarry is known to be a big hitter in the Democrat party. He may well have been aware of her work in state level campaigns.
When Toby tells her that the candidate wanted her she dismisses it. She accepts McGarry might actually know who she is.
Bartlet was a small state governor and former Representative. Leo was a former Secretary with major influence in the Democratic party. Hindsight is always 20/20.
I like how all the characters want to know if Jed Bartlet "is a good man" before they sign on...
Is Trump a good man?..
....What?
.....WHAAAT?
'try and feel your way to dry land." "Oh Shut up" Toby places hands on hips. Bwwaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa
I love when he puts his hands on his hips after she tells him to shut up.
"CJ?"
"yeah?"
"... house is over there" hahaha priceless. what a great show.
One of favorite moments in TV history. "Avert your eyes"
I miss this show so much. That was a great scene... I love the pool scene....Too cute..
"...You fell in the pool there."
One of my favorite scenes ever, from one of my favorite episodes ever.
same
"How much does it pay?
How much were you making before?
550.000 a year.
This pays 600 dollars a week.
So this is less?
Yes."
LOL
She was hired for her ability to do complex maths in her head.
That's just $31,200 a year. Seems a ridiculously low amount for a job like that.
Nathaniel Williams - Keep in mind that this was during the campaign, not the White House press secretary. Not sure what that pays but I’m sure it’s not $600 a week. LOL!
@@nathanielwilliams3891 seems like google says the two press secretaries of the *cough* current administration *cough* make shy of 200,000 a year
BuT tHiNk Of ThE eXpOsUrE!
I love Toby. "CJ, you fell into the pool there." Lol, no really?!?!!?!
Thanks for the heads up.
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"Sorry Alison, we didn't get that,can you fall in the pool again" wonder how many takes they did :-)
I wish we could have seen however Toby and CJ met.
Was thinking same thing. A backstory
PSA from an old lifeguard: 62% of the people who drown NEVER INTENDED TO BE IN THE WATER. When you're near water, PLEASE BE CAREFUL!
thank you!
did they come up with that percentage after polling people who successfully drowned?
It can probably be ascertained from a lack of swimwear.
@@SpydeyDan Just being in street clothes would make it harder to swim, so there's that.
As someone who was pulled half-dead out a pool by an seventeen year old voluntary lifeguard (I was in my forties), he has a point. Be careful around water. I'm a very good swimmer, hit the pool unexpectedly, and tried to breath the water. It is not an experience I recommend. Result was two months in hospital with pneumonia and permanent lung damage.
Seventeen year old lifeguard visited me in hospital, met my daughter, and I decided that I couldn't really refuse when he asked for her hand four years later.
This is such an amazing scene, so beautiful and perfectly accomplished. This is one example of what made this show great.
People (myself) are always scared to graduate on their own and never get out of their comfort zone.
When Toby says it I feel like it’s enough to boost CJs confidence and take go for it.
Later on she graduates again and becomes Chief of staff. Fucking love this show ❤️
Even harder to do when the comfort zone pays $550,000 per year. That was in 2000. That would be roughly $911,118 per year today.
I always loved her house. It seemed perfect for the area and so well contained. Pool, house, and street entry just so perfect.
"They said you were fired. Were you stealing things?" ROTFLMAO!!!
Oscar winner.....Allison Janney....so brilliant.
"It's graduation day."
one of my favorite scenes ever.
"...dropped from the 3rd most person in Hollywood to the 9th most person in Hollywood."
"Does that still make the playoffs or is the cutoff line..."
LOL
cj and toby are my two favorite characters
Me too. I think CJ turned out best in the end - everybody else either did nothing or got annoying or just didn't have the screen time.
@@SwimmingMegz01 The other characters did nothing? Josh got Santos elected president, and Toby committed treason. I wouldn't say they did nothing.
Her expression as she falls...priceless.
Toby and CJ had met years earlier when they worked on a state campaign together. That's how they knew each other.
I think Bruno Gianelli (Ron Silver, *RIP*) said it best;
Bruno Gianelli: "Man, you have got a killer body. Do you know that?"
C.J. Cregg: "In fact, I do."
Nice drumsticks =)
Bruno … the Italian player!
I love how his hands go on his hips. Lmao!
I think that the music in this scene is some of the prettiest in the series.
Funny and touching all in the same clip. "Avert your eyes!"
“Does he still make the playoffs or is the cut-off line...” haha
This might be my favorite WW scene, until I remeber another one. Seriously, in the top 10.
This is my favorite CJ scene. "So this is less?" Have loved it since the first time I saw it years ago.
Couldn’t see the pool but knew exactly where Toby was looking the whole time.
2:45
"You really think I can do this?"
_(averts his eyes so that she can't see how much he's in love with her)_ "Yeah."
I started watching this when Channel 4 (UK) showed it years ago. I started having a crush on Alison Janney, probably because of CJ. I love women like CJ. She is smart, intellectual and sassy. She has an understanding of her place in the world and she has to be smart 24/7. I love that sort of woman. I now know Alison a bit more through other work and still think she's fabulous. She also has the most amazing body...
+malcs0 as in such cases is identity theft they are
I love the " avert your eyes!" line.
That scene was so hilarious then like it is now. So funny!!
I wonder which accolade Bartlett is most proud of, the Nobel Prize or being called a good man by Toby?
I love this episode.
Allison Janey is a tall, gangly woman... until she speaks. When she speaks she transforms into an incredibly beautiful woman. She inhabits C.J. and turns her into a three dimensional creature who makes me believe that there's goodness in the world. Whatever Allison wants I hope she gets.
The other 2 times I can remember him laughing/smiling is the talk and walk seasons 1 and the snowball throwing in season 4
Anyone else realize the economic difference of 8 years White House Senior staff experience will equal for CJ?
She just got canned as a PR flack for not being able to overcome a studio mogul's high-financed, high-profile flops.
Toby basically recruits her for a campaign job that probably couldn't finance an apartment in DC in the 1990s.
Contrast that with the final months on the Bartlett administration... where she has Fortune 500 CEOs offering her more $$$ that her former Hollywood boss makes massaging the egos of Hollywood mega-producers.
Love the scene, love the characters and love the actors.
Funny how Toby flies cross country on orders from Leo and shows up on the EXACT day CJ gets canned from her $550K/yr job.
It's almost as if Leo knew this was gonna happen.
Its this scene that makes me think CJ and Toby had an affair. The only way you react so cool to someone falling in a pool is if you;ve seen them naked.
Then she says avert your eyes and he laughs like - I've seen it all before - and she shrugs and admits he has.
Best couple in the West Wing and thats a tough field.
Nice observation, David Rendall.
I don't even know what to say to that.
WAIT! Yes I do!!!
HOW DARE YOU
DANNY AND CJ FOREVER THANK YOU VERY MUCH
I had to come here because of all the depressing current political news that I get too involved in. I needed something more altruistic, hopeful, and yes, a laugh for a change. And CJ is too sexy for her shoes !!!
"550,00 a year" "This pays $600 a week" "So this is less"
slight downgrade...
"One of the keys to [Bartlett's] game plan is bringing you on as Press Secretary". That's where Toby went too far, LOL.
This scene is why I believe CJ and Toby did it.
David Rendall I think C.J. Was his beard back in high school.
And now, rather than asking "Is he a good man?" they ask "How much money and power will I gain?"
Toby Ziegler: "CJ you fell into the pool there."
CJ Craig: "If you *mention* this to *ANYONE!* I *Will have you, KILLED!*
Never more beautiful.
Toby is such a flirt MY GOD
Countered by an unrivaled prestige raise.
Did they really need that cute button line at the end of the scene?
Yes, they did.
$600 a week is what Charlie was being paid. I *think* the "Let Bartlett Be Barett" ep Leo mentioned that.
Charlie wasn't hired on the campaign. He wasn't hired until they had won and he was given a position on the White House staff.
it would be impossible to do this show today
550,000 a year to 31,200 is a massive pay cut! wonder what her salary went up to when Bartley got elected?
Current press Secretary is on 176,461, probably less in 1999. Not sure by how much.
The closest I could find was a WaPo article from 2004 on the Bush White House. The Press Secretary then earned $157,000 a year. The Presidential salary was doubled in 2001 from $200,000 to $400,000 and with political appointees, the Presidential salary is usually one of the highest if not the benchmark. My guess is, salaries in 1999 were probably a quarter of what she earned in the private sector, so probably about $135-$140,000 because she was Press Secretary and Assistant to the President, whereas Deputy Assistants make less and Special Assistants are the lowest of the third grade. There are limits on the number who can hold those titles; in the Obama White House, only 17 had the designation of "Assistant to the President." Below the three levels are the bulk of the staff: staff assistants, legislative assistants, greeters, secretaries, record keepers, etc., and they earn between $40,000-$50,000. Generally the people with regular access to the President receive an assistant title. The White House Chief of Staff decides in consultation with the President, which grade a staff member falls into. The White House Personnel Office (which Debbie Fiderer was said to be a part of in "A Proportional Response,") actually writes the checks; they're the White House H.R., with ultimate authority probably being the Chief of Staff for lower ranked jobs and senior staff jobs perhaps being ultimately up to the President (I mean senior-level people such as Deputy Chief of Staff, Communications Director, etc). Exactly how much a person earns is, like elsewhere, determined by education, experience, etc., so you could have two Deputy Assistants and one earns $81,000 and one earns $84,000, for example. It was mentioned in an early first season episode "Five Votes Down," that Leo McGarry made "$40,000 a pop on the lecture circuit," so you definitely take a big pay cut to serve in the White House or government service in general. But of course you're usually only there for 2 or 3 years, maybe 8 if you're someone like Valerie Jarrett or Condoleezza Rice and Stephen Hadley, all of whom served 8 years in their administrations. But most people burn out after one term at the most; it's very long hours (not necessarily always as long as the show portrayed) and very high pressure work. After three or four years of that, I'd definitely go take a one-day a week lecturing job at some college for $60,000.
That's a campaign salary. Once they get into the actual job, of course they make substantially more.
They said you were fired. Were you stealing things?
He was asking in hopes in seeing her loot.
Where is that house/neighborhood? It is perfect. Very self contained and private.
Oh my god, why did they never fall in love?!
StrangeAngel03 Toby was already in a relationship with a woman called Andy who later went on to have their children. However Andy had turned down Toby's marriage proposals every time so she is never brought in with a big part in the show.
There was a scene (don't remember the episode) where CJ did something spectacularly well, and she looked at Toby and said "You wanna make out with me right now, don't you?" and Toby answered "Well, when don't I?"
almostfm Pretty sure that was during Leo's Big Block of Cheese speech in SGTE,SGTJ when CJ arranges no cameras for a debate-protest that Toby is going to.
+Indi Heaton - At this point Toby is already married to Congresswoman Andrew Wyatt. Toby identifies her as "she is also Mrs Ziegler" during a scene during the transition period after winning the first election. At that point they are starting out on fertility treatment.
Now, when Andi does get pregnant they talk about getting married, but it is about getting re-married. They had divorced prior to series 1, probably due to the stresses caused by infertility and two busy professional lives.
I always thought that they'd had some kind of relationship in the past, before Andy. Because they do have such flirty banter, and I'm pretty sure it very lightly indicates at one point that either they did previously date or were very close to it.
Let’s walk and talk walk and talk
I just noticed Toby has a Starbucks cup....
Erin Cromer He came from a Game of Thrones audition.
I'm sorry, I'm with Toby on this. EMILY's List is a fantastic organization, but God in heaven that is a stupid name.
shindlers list would be a stupid name....emilys's list is fine
I always thought it looked like she was pushed.
Hopefully they were able to film it in one take. LOL
"avert"
I really wish they had explained how they knew each other in the first place. That sort of invalidates the whole plot revelation point of a flashback.
They’ve both been working in Democratic politics for years, it’s highly likely they’ve worked on some campaigns together, and met at functions. The flashbacks are not about how the characters met each other, but how they all came to work for Bartlet. By your logic we’d need to see how a whole bunch of the other characters met for the first time, since most of the principal campaign staff had met previously. The only truly new character in the flashbacks is Donna.
$550k per year in 1999 … damn that’s insane!
Drops to just over $30k as White House press secretary, that salary seems ridiculously low!
No she was being considered for press secretary for the campaign. They didn't say what she ended up making as the White House press secretary.
That’s the pay during the campaign, and it would have gone up after Bartlet got the nomination. As the actual WH press secretary, her salary would have been over 100k/year.
@@flyboy152 still ridiculously low in comparison to her $550l
$600 a week even for a small national campaign press secretary seems even 20 years ago a bit low. Obviously I know it's just during the campaign & if the campaign wins then she'd get more as most senior staff but still $30k is I suspect low even for probably state level office campaigns unless it's someone like me... who know literally knows then ok it make sense. BTW I like no one knowing me :).
Man, Allison Janey has a great body. (in addition to being a great and hilarious actress)
There is just so much going on here. We've already met these two characters. This is a flashback. Its purpose is to show us how close these characters have been since before Bartlet's campaign and where CJ was before Bartlet as well as where Toby finds her. He gets lucky. Had he talked to her a week before this event or a week after, he'd probably catch her in a better opinion of what she does in Showbiz. I mean she'd find another job that paid as much as she had been making. She's a cat she woulda landed on her feet but Toby catches her on a day where she got fired from her job, lost her glasses and falls into her own swimming pool, and he gets her for a song cuz he's a sweet talker and he knows how to play her. I doubt Leo McGarry asked for her by name either. Toby just didn't want to be press secretary. He was saving himself grief by picking the person on his rolodex best fit for that position. He doesn't just do this over the phone. He drives to her place unannounced. This is not a common occurrence for either of them, so while they know each other, we get the indication they're not so much friends as coworkers who happen to run in the same circles. Maybe they are friendly. Perhaps CJ thinks of Toby as a friend in the same way she thinks of everyone she meets as a friend until they cross her and then watch out buster you'd better install eyes in the back of your head. There's also a kind of symbolism going on here, tho perhaps tongue in cheek. Seems the writers have gone out of their way to get CJ wet. This could simply be an opportunity to increase ratings since Allison Janney's physically appealing in or out of a wet suit. However, I would rather believe the reasoning behind the water was more than just "sex sells." It's a kind of baptism. Leo's John the Baptist bringing Mary Magdalene into the fold. Okay the symbolism doesn't hold water well under close examination, but she makes a point to ask Toby if Bartlet is a good man and Toby's poker face is terrible. However, we know CJ is a "good man" in some ways she's shown she's made of sturdier stuff than most actual men. Later in the series she stands toe to toe with foreign diplomats and retired five star generals and comes out on top. While she doesn't single handedly save Bartlet's campaign, her presence does prove to have a cleansing effect.
It's also just a funny, well written scene that gives us a chance to see these two characters in a different light. We see a Toby with a little less of the weight of the world on his shoulders. We learn what CJ gave up to help Bartlet win. What she sacrificed. Half a million dollars a year is a lot to give up for one's political aspirations and personal convictions, but who could say no to taking a stab at being in The White House?
550000$ dollars a year? 45grand a month? wtf was she doing?
I can't find the scene anywhere where she gets fired. She's talking to the director/producer guy that slipped from 3rd to 9th and says something like "It was a bad movie. All the publicity in the world is not going to change that."
She gets fired about one minute after that, when her boss pulls her outside her office.
@@flyboy152 Yes, I know how it goes. I just can't find that scene on YT. Doesn't look like anyone's posted it.
I don't recall....do we ever see how Toby and C.J. originally knew each other?
Scrapbooking club.
No, and we don’t need to, since the flashbacks are about how they all came to work for Bartlet. Most of the principal campaign staff had met previously.
In which we see the most faked trip into a pool
toby laughing? wht madness is this?
@observer9670 Really? What episode? Shame on me, I watch this show religiously.
starwarsgeek8 wasn't this during josh's operation after getting shot? season 2?
There's no scene that shows CJ's & Toby's past association. They were both players in Democratic politics, and probably crossed paths several times even if they didn't work together before.
No denying it...she has great legs.
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550000 a year, 600 a week, so this is less🤣🇸🇪
Jan-Olof Härnvall I got Siri to do the math for me.
advert your eyes....lol
So what did she decide?
Have you ever actually watched the show?
@@flyboy152 Yes. It is a personal favourite.
@seanwebb605 Then why would you even need to ask the question? You know she takes the job
@@flyboy152 You replied a year late to a joke that you didn't understand. Now you just appear an even bigger fool.
@observer9670 Cool, thanks
I wonder how many takes they had to do for this scene. Did Allison have to dry off, change clothes, and fall into the pool several times before they got it right?
TheUnknown285 I was just thinking about that. Great minds!
Allison Janney is pretty hot even when dry. I don't think it is just me.
Judge me if you like, but I did not at all avert my eyes.
That leg was quite distracting.
Avert your eyes, she doesn’t want him to look.
Oh turn around.....why aren’t you eager to look.
Women are wonderfully mysterious.lol
Is it interesting? The actor playing Toby has been in many things, but when he grew a beard, he looks so much more intelligent and fit right in.
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Loved the show but I didn’t like how they always tried to make it seem like CJ was super attractive. She’s not.
And meanwhile all I can think about are the papers sitting there soaking and sinking in the water. LOL