Is suffering needed to face the necessity to change? | J. Krishnamurti
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Brockwood Park 1980 - Question #5 from Question and Answer Meeting #1
'Is suffering necessary to make us face the necessity to change?'
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"Suffering is not necessary." I understand this statement, suffering is a habit, nothing more nothing less.
If I want to summarise J K Sir's teachings in two words, that is "complete attention". I have seen many videos of him, all the tym he has strongly emphasised this two words, which has very deep meaning. Thankyou sir every time I see yr video there is a new lesson to me. And more and more I m been attentive. All suffering, insult ends as. J K sir says. Thankyou very much to the missionary 🙏
Could anyone explain what does complete attention mean ? How to be completely attentive
@@chetansn6030 In complete attention you see things exactly as they are without thoughts, ideas, and past experiences interfering. You are so attentive that nothing else about what you think it is matters. In this case, the past and future disappears. The question is how to do you become completely attentive. This question itself prevents you from being completely attentive. This is major clue to look at who is asking that question because it is THAT which prevents you from complete attention. That which prevents is the accumulation of thoughts - start by emptying the mind of all you know. Then you’ll see clearly complete attention
But how does one be completely attentive to Past Hiurtful words that have already been registered in your Brain?
Stopsayingsir.
Observe your each thought when sitting alone watch your words while speaking watch your actions in every situation and don't move be with it completely.
if 'you' don't know what Love sounds like..then close your eyes and listen.
The only way to listen.
So beautiful comment sir
I believe my whole body shivered when I saw the comment.!!!!
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Wow! J. K. took the meaning of the word and dissected into in atom. I can't think of any one has gone deeper.
So much brain- foggery is going on...this here= like a clear light...removing all the dust and lies of delution...one can detangle up with.
❤just awsome here❤
Thank you.
All your words sir means a lot to me.
I do take them to heart.
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It's the ultimate way. R u really ready for that ?
Psyche Implosion leads to Explosion into Freedom and Truth, pathless land. All phenomenon are created by thoughts from separation of me against the world, a dualistic division. Sufferings and wars are magnified tsunami of this psyche separation from billions of egos eons accumulated. Repay our sage with complete attention in simple, truthful and energetic life. That's fearless love in this phenomenal life. Thanks K and friends.
What an extraordinary man and what a way to teach human beings and show them the very foundation of existence they may not be an otherJK ever
Toward the end when he said "moving, living, active.." in regards to the mind, that is what I experienced when I ate a whole lot of magic truffles. It's just a picture in my head now.
It seems to me still, the 'me' at work.
But it shurely gives you an idea, how enormous the brain can do it's job, as long as you have attention for it.:)
When the attention fades, the movement fades to.
Like K has showed us, Attention is a part of Love. :-)
It gives you a glimp indeed .
Yes. Psychedelics dissolve boundaries (as identifications and so on). Afterwards the experience may become a new image and then one lives through the past again, even though it might be a more colourful image. I had a sort of „awakening“ when in the early twenties due to magic mushrooms. K helped me to realise many mistakes I had made afterwards and which I still do. For kicking in the front door, what they sure did, I still call the mushroom a sacred and immensely powerful entity. But to go beyond experience is a completely different thing altogether. One Love ❤️🙏
let's face it. we all suffer.
And you definitely didn't listen. If you did you didn't comprehend. Try it again.
Inattention causes suffering and registering. A “Complete attention” does not cause suffering and registering. It must be noted here that Krishnamurthi’s “Inattention” and “Attention” words have slightly different meaning than the normal meaning. “Attention” or by “Complete Attention” he actually trying to mean - you receive a thing without the judgement, processing, evaluating or resisting. This is spontaneous and purest level of experience (in this case suffering). For this to happen one must perfectly stay in present without any perturbance in mind. When one is perfectly in present, duality ceases. There is no experience or suffering. “Inattention” here refer to contrary of it where there is judgment, resistance and evaluation. This causes world of suffering and experience.
The End was Fantastic😎😎🙏😍!!!!!
Wonderful
I wonder if the questioner was asking if suffering motivates people to find out what is required to end suffering or to find out if it is possible to end it. Some people have rather pleasant lives and may see no reason to go into the question of suffering as they have not yet experienced deep suffering.
Thank you for sharing these.
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Hurt registers when one is inattentive
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he looks so cuuute :3
'I wonder if you follow this. No. Alright.'
I like how he makes his point and then goes on gauges his audience. He registers their comprehension. And makes several analogies for different perspectives.
*Yes* 😂
Good guy follow him
Salutations
17:18-17:33 he''s so lovely.
No miss.
He gets the whole thing
your truth is in yourself becoming. you all human can invent his truth from his own brain knowledge. your truth always lives with your figure with you but you all search this truth in different religions, in different human mind made god, in pray and worship, in temple, church, masjid, gurudwara, by meditation. if your truth is with you then how you all can got this truth to other place. all true man always tell that truth is a pathless object because your truth always lives in your body. when you all will see your real truth in your same figure by only your brain knowledge then how much pleasure and joy you all have got. if you have make doctor, engineer, scientist, prime minister, president, minister, leader, dharm guru, etc from your own brain then you have feel so many pleasure, when you all will see and know that you all is truth and that truth is your god from your brain then how much pleasure you all have got. when you all will meet your truth then your death will be disappear from your own mind. here is no death because your real you is not body but he lives in your body. you all come with me and see your truth in your own body.
brilliant!
This is my direct questions to K who says " don't register anything in mind"
If you you are beaten mercilessly by goons ,will you be able to maintain your poise?
You can fight back without any thoughts going in your brain😆 probably Bruce Lee was a good example
@@nalijo4419 correct✌
You deal with the situation when it arises but he is talking of fear of hurt which makes us self centered .
People who come to beat are also influenced by the desire to achieve power and position and we are also frightened of losing position and authority and are hurt when one makes us feel inferior .
If you get beat up and lose once to goons, will that prevent you from facing the next encounter..or was it the feeling behind the purpose for fighting that influenced you to fight that is the true underline
Though its not the first image as 2 be as a child....that already is a image...a dreamed image already ...which brings as well...suffering with it...cause a child or baby= dependent= helphless and so on.
Look here
is transcription available for this video.....
its kind of like LOVE is not based in MEMORY , LOVE cannot be registered , and no algorhythm can descibe it
Suffering, therefore, a runaway mechanical process that perpetuates in the absence of attention? Attention, thus, the mental space where emotional turmoil is unlikely to sustain? Seems not unlike water between dissipating ripples.
Mmm, then the insulter ceases as attention catches fire with the love of attention
Hi, the video seems to end abruptly, is there a complete video under this topic ? I would like to see the complete video please.
+Vijayakumar K Thank you for your comment. The complete video can be found at czcams.com/video/5sn2VT_UML8/video.html. However, this specific question wasn't explored further in the full-length version. In that sense this video doesn't end abruptly, as at its end K moves on to the next question. Hope this helps.
Thank you !
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Can you please add a transcribe of this video?
the questioner must have listened to krishnamurti's dialogue with david bohm
It might be a question, written by David Bohm..:-)
is suffering needed to repentance?
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Dear sir it's unfortunate that this program was when reaching the solution gets end can you please give me the details of this whole program
After this question Krishnamurti moves on to the next. but you can watch the whole Question & Answer meeting at this link: czcams.com/video/5sn2VT_UML8/video.html
bogus money :))
That's a belief.
Listen to the video again
Which change he is taking about?
Who am I? Bundle of thoughts.
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Psychological hurt is registered when one is inattentive but why there's inattention? Where is our attention all the time? What does it mean to be attentive?
attention in the usual sense means focusing on one thing, which is completely different from the holistic attention to what is happening in the actual moment, without interpretation, without evaluation i.e. without the distortion of memory and thought
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Suffering is not needed.
First time JK has misunderstood a question. A rare miss by the master
He didnt miss it.
Short answer that he went into deeply: no. I don’t know if he misunderstood but he is clearly saying that suffering is never necessary, for any purpose
Can i get a yes or no
Jimmy Kruzer Yes
YES OR NO
If you're content with your situation then why bother to change?
It seems you would already be in a state of suffering to arrive at a point where change would be a necessity
Did JK's constant "are you following this?" and "do you understands?" serve any purpose, or were they just a verbal tic? I find them very annoying, but maybe that's the point?
It is a way to know weather the depth & meaning is getting through to the listener, & the depth is understood , people listen, , & thats all , taking it in & measuring the material up to what we our selves believe,in or understand , or have been conditioned to believe , or to rationalize it with the mind open ,Some people,it just go s over there heads, until the penny drops,One day early in the morning ,, then they have a realization that it really makes sense , then they become inspired to venture further for them selves , & so it gos .
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You know what they say. When something bothers you, it's usually more important to understand why you're so easily annoyed then to understand the supposedly annoying thing.
The wise man points to the sky, and the fool sees the finger!
He was definitely not cynical. His attitude is based on observation of what is, that means people around him arent get nothing of what he said. There was no one of them capable to bring the flame of attention in themselves. He was probably sad, not cause of psychological hurt, but cause of an actual insight into the lack of seriousness in people. He invites people in the conversation not by cynicism but with compassion, the compassion of an actually perceived tragedy, which is this deep ignorance and lack of attention and seriousness in man.
he really had no idea what he was talking about.
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