Ultrasonic cleaner for repairing Macbook logic boards.
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Louis Rossmann you know at some point an idiot will enter in your shop with a motherboard smear with toothpaste because you said Crest was doing some cavitation, but he couldnt figure out what's up...
@@fuckugplus Oh my gosh all I can imagine is that customer saying something about "fighting cavities" and I'm howling đ€Łđ
I can not find Branson EC 1 quart for anything less than $70. Did the company go out of business? If so what alternatives would you recommend?
what id I just wanna use it once in a smartwatch? the jewellery cleaner would work?
This guy should be a comedian, lol. I'm not in any kind of a repair business but I just watch these videos for the constant foul-mouthed comedy.
Thats how genius guy brains work bro.
Same! Lol
"I am Louis the practical repair guy, not bill nye the fucking science guy"... perfect comeback
Lmao
bill nye is not a scientist though
ha! bill nye is just an outspoken militant atheist with an agenda - so i guess that's qualification enough.
He's also a cheesy propagandist for Fat Al. Not the best approach to science, really.
LOL
It's sad that many people don't know of your channel Louis. I find myself drawn to every single one of your videos. They're a wealth of information. and they answer question after question of repairs just by listening to you
***** Is that it is, I don't have much time for advertising nor the money for full time social media promotional staff. As long as it gets to the people who really need it that's all I care for!
Well you've certainly inspired me into a lot of things and im hooked on your videos. They're very educational and to the point. No bullshit just answers. Ideally think you should have a link to a QA in your description though to answer all the common questions. Would save your some hassle i think
Some customers are so pushy to get their phone back, they don't consider that the longer you work on their phone, the higher quality the repair, and better value for money. Instead they'd rather rush you which means more chance of you failing. I had a customer who was calling every 15mins, and after the 3rd time I just reassembled the phone and returned it to her saying I was unable to fix it.
What the fuck you mean I cant clean my cat in it... lol
oh! - but you CAN!
I'm just amazed at the variety of goods his Deli seems to sell.
The reason you don't want the board touching the bottom is because it will dampen the effect.
It the same effect as if you put your finger on a speaker cone.
My man Louis Rossman is giving us free advices on how to repair and fix the smart way through his experience and knowledge, I salute to you! Hope we meet up one day!
I dunno why I can't stop watching your videos Louis. I'm not even working on my mac anymore and I can't stop watching. When I work on lesson plans at night you are my television. If mac repair slows down consider a talk show, radio, or anything else where you can just rant about shit for hours. God Bless! BTW Fuck L2 computers! (they apparently have shitty chips, or they are thieves or something, I didn't watch the videos... fuck em.) Also, Louis, your Jaeggermiester mac repair video totally inspired me to work on electronics drunk! I'm 0 for 2 at this point, and boy is my A1286 fucked but in my journey to repair it I found your channel so I feel like it was a good trade!
The reason you use the tray is because with out it the object your cleaning is laying against the "hull" or whatever u want to call it the tub or hull that holds the liquid has the transducers mounted directly too it they excite the liquid to the point of cavitation. So if there is something directly touching it that close to the emitter of the transducer it causes alot of reverberation and stresses the transducer much more effectively shorting the life of it by about half or more. bottom line u need a certain amount of space from tub. =) loved the video man I'm going to check out what else u got.
Thanks for the explanation, I learned something!
Iâve been a fan of this channel for years, and I canât believe it took me so long to get started, especially with all the info Louis has been putting out.
same, we were blind to his blessings until we grown up and realise he told us his pains here to save us some pain
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I've been repairing electronics for years. How have I never seen your channel!? Definitely subbed, great info.
Man this is pure gold
i have only found you yesterday, but i can't stop watching you videos
keep up
Holy crap, this guy cracks me up. Was not expecting that from an ultrasonic cleaner video.
how many times can u reuse the water and cleaner?
until it looks nasty
Thanks for the info! I've been repairing cell phones and laptops for about 7 year and have been wanting to expand into water damaged products for awhile.
The instructions on how to move the Logic board in the tray were unclear, I ended up re-balling an SMC.
I just found your channel via EEVBlog and have watched some videos. This one was hilarious because you sound different and you explain things like you would to a three years old kids :D Thanks for the good videos and the occasional laughs!
Dude - You rock! I am just embarking into a home computer repair business (aka - starting to charge) and I am so glad I found your channel. đđđ
+Jason Wasko Thank you!
I friggin squirted milk out of nose laughing at "I am Louis the practical repair guy; I am not Bill Nye the fucking science guy", lolol
ya know I just I just found this channel and I haven't subbed because of the wealth of valuable information (of which there is plenty). rather I've subbed for belly laughs I get from listening to this guys rants. thank you. makes my day.
Louis, I just wanted to thank you for this video. I followed your instructions to the letter on 4s for data recovery (sweet old lady wants her pictures) severe corrosion near A4 wouldnt boot past some nand error. Did what you said and now it boots. backing up on itunes and she got her data back. This thing is gonna be a cash printing machine compared to trying to make due without it and the methods you describe. Tim Herrman directed me to an awesome trusonik machine last week and i got some branson today. This has made my whole week man.
Now i learnd a lot of this video, and why you use the utrasonic, thanks Rossmann.
this reminds me of the process used when etching boards at home. though very different liquids are used but the process is similar.
Hi Louis, thanks for this video and sharing your knowledge on the ultrasonic cleaner. I have a question. Branson EC is not available for me (in Bali), could you point me to some alternatives? Thanks in advance...
LOOKS LIKE A DEEP FRYER
Very informative! I like your style and presentations. You make me crack up but I still learn something new / learn some tricks with each of your videos. Sub.
Thanks!
dig all your videos m8, learnt heaps bro. here in Australia an IT guy wanted to charge me $1100 to repair shorted 5volt usb rail on my MacBook pro logic board everything works perfect bar that what a rip off huh picked up a logic board for $200 replaced it myself sweet as .gonna fix the old one myself and sell it for $200
lol! Your videos are not only so useful but also so fun to watch! lol!
Great video. I was waiting from long time like this video.
great video...thanks for the info! quick question - we're mostly specializing in iPhones rather than computers...and we saw how you tilted the board 4x for 1 minute each to make sure all the little hard to reach parts got cleaned...so that we can properly tilt the boards and have them resting on the basket like yours, would we be OK to get the Crest CP200T? It's about 1/2 the size, however it's also 55W instead of 120W. Does that matter? And would this work? Thanks!
hello Loius, thanks for all that informations. i just ordered one of this cleaners.
there is just a question. would you recommend every mainboard, for example after GPU repair to clean with that machine in the way you showed?
would be good to insert in the laptops nice clean boards.
i am a little afraid that it could blast some components from the board (one of these little resistors for example) what is your opinion?
thanks for your time.
Louis. Thanks for your videos. Quick question. Does Crest CP500HT accommodate 15" or 17" MBP boards? Thanks.
Interesting video. How many board is the fluid good for before it needs to be replaced?
Thanks for the video!.
I'm ready to buy one but I see a 45khz and a 132kHz. Which one is best for pcb's? The 132khz seems to be double the price of the 45.
I'm going to be getting one of these machines soon, have wanted one for a long time but really couldn't afford it. Went to welding school and now as a welder can afford my expensive toys đ
Hi Louis! Thank you for your tips! I have question about cleaning old PCB (actually retro computer motherboard). It has ribbon cable soldered to the board. What do you think? is it possible to clean in the cleaner such thing like ribbon cable?
Thanks for the information. This work for me as I am setting up my shop! đđđ
Hi Louis, Thank you for the very helpful videos! I greatly appreciate them. One question, do you take the heatsink off the logic boards before the ultrasonic cleaning or do you leave them on for the cleaning?
dmmaker Take them off!!!
I'm curious: was there a specific reasoning for the choice of heat level? Why should it not be at lower temps?
Also how much of a difference does the Branson fluid make for just simple dirt?
I'll be needing to disassemble my 2011 MBP to try to fix/clean my keyboard, and if I can use my Sonix IV 60kHz ultrasonic with just distilled to get most of the regular sediment out of the motherboard or keyboard, that'd be nice. I haven't had any liquid spills on the machine (just a couple of unresponsive keys after 4+ years of daily use), so I'm wary of use any kind of detergent if not necessary. Thoughts?
Sorry if you covered this and I just missed it but a couple quick questions. Can you reuse the branson and dis. water. Can you leave it in the ultrasonic cleaner or do you remove it and store it for reuse or does it have to be disposed of. I seen the way you reuse the alchol which is a great idea. simple, cheap and keep it from evaporating.
Thanks
Thx man! Almost bought the jewelry cleaner thing. Are there cheaper alternatives for this machine? I'm only looking to use it like once a week on iphone logic boards.
For those who don't have a tank of 1 gallon +: 103ml / 1 gallon means 0,27% of the EMC cleaner which is like 27ml per liter.
Hey Louis, long time fan and customer. Vids are hilarious and fun to watch. Just my experience, I bought the crest/Branson u suggested. I found working at 70 degrees, 150-170ml of Branson is better. As u said, do not skull fuck the board, no more than 10 mins total. Also, to those about to drop $1k on this machine, it cleans the mobo long term, u can get the same effect with toothbrush/alchool but maybe miss spots, that will resurface later. Long story short, this ultrasonic cleaner, will not fix a dead mobo. if it can be repaired by cleaning, this is the way to go
Louis what kind of camera are you using for recording? amazing quality ,
Great video! Quick question for you, when you said your success rate is about 50% is that from using the ultrasonic machine alone? Thanks again for this awesome video.
I just want to know if you suggest the 45khz or the 132khz version? This is available in both versions. I'm assuming it's the higher freq model to be safer. I just want to make sure before I buy one. Thanks so much if you reply.
How often do you need to change your Ultrasonic cleaner fluid? Or how many board runs can one fresh mixture last for?
I know it's an old video, but if your friends with someone at a hospital or dialysis center, you can get "distilled" in this case meaning ultraclean water for "free".
Because they have huge amounts of it and also need to keep the systems running even if they dont use up all that is produced,
because even ultraclean water gets contaminated quickly again over time.
The "distilled" water you can buy at supermarkets etc is mostly demineralized water,
which then stands for a year on the shelf. still really "clean" because nothing to feed/live on inside, but not distilled.
... Don't have a cheap source for the alc tho' ;-)
i want to know how long these parts last after performing a good or best reball and or reflow w\e it is and then using ultrasonic cleaner?
Hey louis, just one last question..
Can I use it to clean my bong?
Dan Mc Surely you can.
Does the machine work with the top off? Could you clean larger boards 1/2 at a time as long as you are careful to adjust the fluid levels so that you aren't doing the same area twice?
as a side note to keep anyone from blowing something up, don't use anything flammable or with a flashpoint. the digital version of this cleaner is nice too. it's about $50 more. very easy to get exact settings and it also adds a degas mode. and if you want to fill it, branson recommends a 3% solution. I fill it with 1.5 gallons of distilled water and put 170 ml of EC in.
When you flip the mother board. Do you wear gloves or use a tool to flip the board?
Also With the use distilled water and chemical what do you do with that?
Have you ever put a iMac Mother board in the ultrasonic? (Just curious if it would fit)
Hey Mate
Im in Sydney Australia and work with mobile phone PCB's.
whats your advice on electronic cleaning fluid for the ultrasonic cleaner if we cannot find Bransons
Thanks, learned alot and had a laugh at the same time.
Louis, Thank you for existing! I have been doing this same kind of work for about the same time as you say you have, but only recently went through all the goddamn red tape to open up a shop. Long story short, ive been working out of my house and because of my new venture cash has become a bit scarce. I came across this post while researching a DIY Ultrasonic cleaner due to the shortness of funds at the moment and because of this post am abandoning that idea completely. I thank you for existing because youve decided to just say what we've all been wanting to say for years. i know exactly how you feel. Some of the customers that have brought me their laptops or other random electronics to fix are complete and absolute morons with the unreasonably short turnaround expectations or the fact that they as you say "Skull Fuck" their shit and have unreasonable or simply unrealistic expectations. So thank you for the information and thank you for just saying to the plebes that they need to stop fucking up their shit if they expect people like us to care.
Why a tray ? The bottom is like a speaker membrane, with impedance matching. A board at the bottom will limit its proper movement, generate harmonics, increase wear, etc.
Is it safe to dunk a motherboard that has non-surface-mount caps, or will the water seep into those things? I'm getting occasional PCI winkouts on an HP server and I'd like to clean it. One end at a time, cuz I can't get the whole thing into the ultrasonic machine.
Great video , i want to ask u what is model of your bga station? Thanks
Hey Louis, what about PCB's that have MSL 3 components on them? Will the 99% alcohol bath be sufficient for getting the water out of those components? Or would the PCB need baked after it's dried? Thanks
I really enjoy watching your videos, very informative and straight to the point. Keep up the good work Louis, it's hard to watch someones channel and trust what they say these days but you hit the nail on the head.
We have an old broken ultrasonic tank (ultrasonic broke 20 years ago and we've just been using it to heat water) at work we've been using for cleaning plastic casings on printers, this is finally getting replaced for a new one within the next couple of months. Due to the use it's being bought for it's on a bigger scale than your tank - we're getting a 145 litre one. However on seeing your videos I'm now wondering about the chances of it also being usable for pcb cleaning if we're careful to keep the heat and time down (we will be using proper ultrasonic fluid but tap water rather than distilled due to quantity needed to fill it). These motherboards would already be considered scrap (company laptops ruined by our own staff spilling drinks - we don't send them for external repair) so worth a try anyway but what are our chances of success.
How many times can you use the same solution mixture?
Louis , I have a Macbook Pro Retina A1425 early 2013 that spins the fans high and is real slow. The diagnostic error is 4SNS/1?C0000008: TsOP - 124. This appears to be a PalmRest Sensor. Where is the sensor located??
What's the machine in the background? I couldn't find it in your tools video. Thanks!
Seriious question, would it work if you used isopropyl alcohol instead of the destilled water?
Brother You are my hero from this very moment jajajaja thank you and be well
Hi, I believe the model in your video is around 1.5 gallon, is this the minumum size you would recommend?
Today I received mine 2 months after seeing this video. I have all the functions and I will do everything like you said because I'm scared you'll be mad.
thanks for all this info Louis
Great tutorial, really appreciated.
The Crest CP200T looks pretty good for just iPhone repairs. It's only like $250 too. Wait do you need to get the Heat model?
Not exactly related but as a dumb-ass home user for quick/light cleaning of a unplugged desktop/tower pc motherboards is spray IPA and/or dry contact cleaner any good?
hello, friend which crest ultrasonic recomend for mobiles phones, i want to get one but i dont know which one? 200HT, 230HT
how important is frequency sweep? I got one from a lab, but it is stuck at 38khz.
Any alternative for Branson EC cleaning fluid?
Is there any other cleaner beside Branson EC? It's extremely hard to find. Is there another company you can recommend? Thanks !
Always good info!
I hope I'm not the only guy who rewinded Louis' rage moment XD
Can i use acetone and drop the etanol?
Some people just don't get it !! Gallon distilled water ,103 ml of the Branson. Let heat go 60-65 c* , put board in at 1 minute per side , 99% alcohol , air dry thoroughly and test ? got it.....
JOGO tldr
Maybe you know, what to use if I cannot get Branson EC in this country?
How often does the liquid need to be changed? Every board? Every 10? Every week?
my country dose not offer " Branson EC Electronics Cleaner " dose any there alternative company or liquid that i can use
Hi nice video! Do you know a similar product like "Branson EC Electronics Cleaner" that i can buy in Europe (Germany)?
Thx
Hey louis this maybe a stupid question but I just wanted to know, for those of us outside USA. If you could please suggest something equivalent to Branson EC because Branson EC is not sold outside US they will not ship it out. I tried few third party suppliers in US they did not want to ship it out as well. PLEASE, PLEASE HELP.
I drink coffe and watch your videos Louis, i know this video you posted 8 years agođĄđĄđĄ but I'm still learning from you.
I am waiting for new videos in new PLACEđ€đ€đ€
It was funny to look after all the video , but I was confused a little bit .... Could you explain what's was really measurements system and also why you didn't flip around the board eight times, four for each side?
Hi all, any ideas where to get Branson EC equivalent in Europe? Those guys cannot export it out of US apparently due to it being a hazardous material...
Love you man!
Sitting in my living room with headphones in and actually say 103mL out loud and look crazy đ but at least I'm listening!
Hey Louis! I just invested in a Crest CP500HT, and it should arrive tomorrow. I had a quick question; when cleaning the boards, is it necessary to remove things such as the serial number sticker from the RAM slot, and the secondary heatsink from the GPU (on 2011 A1278 boards, etc)? I imagine you'd want to get it stripped down as far as possible (including removing the thermal paste, etc), but wasn't sure if the amount of heat in the cleaner was enough to melt away the label on the RAM bank. Thanks again for your videos--they're excellent tools for learning and just plain enjoyable.
sjword Heatsink yes serial number sticker who cares
excellent video! learnt a lot from this as im going to move into liquid damage repairs, can you use these things to repair liquid damaged keyboards? ive came across quite a lot of laptops that i cant source replacement keyboards for and if this could recover them it would be fantastic, but once again very good informative video with solid well explained procedures and facts gives me confidence moving forward
Thanks
+Stepy D Liquid damaged keyboards, some say yes, I never had the luck of it working. Keyboards cost nothing, just replace. Do you really want to put 150 screws back in to realize it doesn't work? Not worth the $20 to me.
Im not specifically going on about apple products more general laptops and mostly ones that are hard/not avaliable/not economical to replace if they are cheap replace them for sure
What if I only have 102 ml. Of cleaner???
+Hugo Trujillo then you're fucked
substitude it with cat piss
You can use 1 more ml of destiled water.
Hi Louis, I have been repairing high end photo stuff for some years at component level too. I have never considered an ultrasonic cleaner and you sounded like it would be a great remedy for cleaning corrosion on PCBs. I come across PCB damage due to acid leak and salt water penetration. And you know it gets nasty when the corrosion disconnects PCB rivets and inner layers.
What is your opinion about cheapo cleaners less than $100 online? Would one of them make my job easier? Thanks!
AvAr Those will make life miserable, save up to buy a used Crest or Branson.
Ultrasonic cleaners use ultrasonic frequencies at very loud levels that you can't hear and produce undertone frequencies. If you are sitting right next to it, please check it with a decibel meter to make sure it isn't so loud it is going to damage your hearing without hearing protection. Although some of the main frequencies used by ultrasonic cleaners may not be damaging, some sympathetic frequencies can be.
Thanks Louis! You've convinced me to buy one of these! One question -- do you bother with an ultrasonic cleaning on working boards that have no backlight, or do you bypass the cleaning and go straight to replacing the fuse? Thanks again!
There is no point in replacing a fuse without using the multimeter. Is the fuse blown? Is there a short to ground in the backlight output causing the fuse to blow?
If the fuse works, but there is no backlight, replacing it blindly is just silliness.
If the fuse is blown and the short to ground on backlight output still exists, replacing the fuse is again, silliness.
There is no shortcut to measuring, analyzing, and using the tool I talked about in my most recent video.
good video Louis !!!
+Louis Rossmann i have a small ultrasonic cleaner 0.8L. i dont have BRANSON EC fluid in my country, so my Q is can i use 9:1 IPA 99.9% and acetone (9ml IPA and 1ml acetone)? or u have better mixture for PCB?
buy branson ec or other electronics cleaning fluid. DO NOT USE IPA IN AN ULTRASONIC - IT CAN EXPLODE VIOLENTLY
batel mizrahi 99.9% IPA? Why not go for a full 100% IPA, they're delicious. I just had two, try a DIPA too. I guess that would make them 200% ipa.
Great Video good honest advice Thank god!!
Well I guess I'll be buying one of these crests in the near future. I just spent 5 hours on a razer repair nightmare and then right in the middle of ultrasonicing my cleaners transducers quit. totally dead, and now this board doesnt work. First time I ever killed a board in an ultrasonic.