Ryzen 5800x/5900x Tested On Linux! Breakdown w/Phoronix Benchmarks
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Wendel: Sky is the limit.
Intel: No sir this train can only take you as far as a Lake; maybe a Rocket-Lake but still a lake.
Well they did have a skylake, but as you say, that was probably the limit
Oh boy Linux channel content!
Unlike on Windows, he can just make the entire test suite run overnight. And if there is something anomalous, check it in the morning. That would allow him to have a good night's sleep while the computer does the work.
Het Patty, make a cake ? or if you prefer we can put the cake on the cherry...
The amazing thing Wendell is that it seems that the 5000 series uses even less power than the 3000 series.
0.5V idle. That is just nuts.
Depending on how these scale down (into the R3 line) some these chips might become the defacto NAS/ home server chips.
Undervolting these chips could lead to an almost passive cooling situation.
@@jseen9568 Oh, you're going to want to undervolt them to maximize their lifespans, as this 7nm node is extremely sensitive to electron migration.
@@jseen9568 So there IS actually an use for Ryzen 3's out there? Interesting... I was asking about that in other videos, if there's anyone that actively seeks to purchasing R3's instead of Ryzen 5's, considering laptops for example the price tags are exactly the same in most cases, or negligible difference... If AMD got rid of all Ryzen 3's altogether, wouldn't that reduce their logistics overhead costs across the board? And potentially increase the company's reputation, since the Ryzen 5 would be the lowest option available for average users. Thoughts?
@@redbanlovesasians2236 I'm running a 3100 for an office FreeNAS, with a Fedora CoreOS VM which is running Alfresco for documents management, and a couple containers more. Close to 20 in total. It runs great on 32GB, and I can expand to 64 later. It's ECC btw.
@@redbanlovesasians2236 Oh there is a lot of utility for the R3 line.
1) it's a money maker for Ryzen. These chips are just cut down R5s due to manufacturing defects.
2) The price to performance of these low end chips are crazy. Many OEMs put these R3 chips into their desktops because most business don't need more than 4 cores.
If the supply of the R3 3300x would have been higher, I think it would have gotten close to matching the sales of the 3600
Really nice that AMD's boost algorithms are so fine tuned. Getting the most out of the chip right out of the box.
This is one of the most important benchmarks for me...
Thanks!
Thanks for producing the Linux-specific content!
Can't wait for the new Threadrippers. Lets hope this time old Motherboards will be usable.
Good stuff. Love the Level1Linux content.
More to come! ~ Editor Amber
Love you man, and the channel
A Linux video?!?!?!?! Wendell, are you OK? (all jokes aside, awesome to see coverage on both channels, especially on the Linux side of things)
Great content, as always! Thanks Wendell! :)
Glad you enjoyed it! ~ Editor Amber
Zen3 Threadripper is going to be ridiculous.
The only question when that will happen?
Watched the Linux content first. Main channel next. Anyone else?
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no, i eat the dessert last.
slipcurve haha.
Thank you Wendel for the review. This video helped me to make decision . It's now set in stone. I'm getting a 5800x on a x570taichi or x570 auros master motherboard.
Old vid new comment. Finally shot the lock off my wallet and purchased (never having seen this video) a R 9 5900x w/ ddr4 3600. I was poking around looking for Ryzen Master Linux support for the chip and ran across this. I am subscribed to L1 I just have never seen this. Thanks you for the work you do Big W!
Very nice man, put more !!
Watching this in January 2021 and wanna express my appreciation. I'm looking at building a new PC and went back to this video for help on video cards
Very cool video Anthony 👍 😁
It's funny to see only 2 comments here :) (e.g. I believe it needs more promoting because this is great content, I'm sure lot's of casual viewers don't even know about this channel, even ones using Linux in day to day life)
The 12 core gets more cache. Obvious and wonderful. First time i've heard of it, what a great idea. Thankyou again.
Really appreciate the linux content!!
What promising results. I can only imagine what Wendell's day job is.
This is great to see, as I'm hoping to stick 5950X into my Crosshair VII come January, for my main dev-rig. Would love to see a linux build with 3950X, one of the new AMD graphics cards + looking glass
Wow. Love your channel and content. I might get rid of my 2700x for a discounted 3900x or maybe 5800x so long as my Hero VII will also work. Currently running my 2700x in Pop_OS in Windows but will save up to do a new build next year. I already have a new case for that build (Fractal Design 7 xl) ,. Anyway enough rambling from me... love your content.
Can't wait to pair those things with my 9600GT!
lol
Yeah, finally updated to a 960gtx awhile back. The 9600 was a great card for the day.
That's an amazing review, thanks! What minimum specs would you recommend to build a Kubernetes workstation?
A couple of years ago you tricked me into going for the threadripper gen I. And now I can't even upgrade to the newer gen without getting a new motherboard!!!!
Thank you very much Level1
Hahahaha, that isn't his fault. Nobody tricked you. AMD only offered multi year socket support for AM4 not TX4. Thought that was very clear
More Linux videos please Wendell
thx a lot wendel and everyone who propels Linux forward!
So, we are in 2020, has Linux devs finally found a remedy to the issue of all Linux distros making laptop cooling fans to spin at Max at all times? That greatly reduces the lifespan of these fans, and finding replacements for laptop fans are not that easy, if you ever happen to have that experience. Just had a fan die on me shortly after switching to Linux. Relying on undercloking methods and passive cooling for now, it sucks. Hope the heat doesn't cause damage to motherboard components, summer is coming.
@@redbanlovesasians2236 what distro and laptop are you using? You may want to check for any updates to your bios or other firmware. Also maybe look at thinkfan, TLP, or you may need to alter your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to "quiet splash acpi_osi=!Windows 2012" in /etc/default/grub.
@@DBZM1k3 OK, my laptop has arrived. Linux Manjaro works fine with these Ryzen APU's (kernel 5.8) The only issue I'm having is this: imgur.com/a/3gBAN7n Windows 10 power plans seem to be able to dictate how the hardware works even after a reboot into Linux. Hardware handicapped by software? Sorry, but that is new levels of devolving and regression. (and the trends say it will become even worse) Is there any way to circumvent this? I was able to get my performance clocks restored on Linux (to some extent) but I still notice some better performance on Windows, there are no stutterings or lags there. Is there a way for Linux to extract more juice out of the hardware?
@@redbanlovesasians2236 how are you running linux? Via dualboot or VM? And what about the game? Is it native to Linux or do you have to use a passthrough like WINE or Proton? It looks like you're playing Cities: Skylines which has native support. You could try Proton or Native, depending on how you're doing currently, and see how it performs. But the game just looks like it's not as optimised on linux so I'm not sure if you'll be able to get much more out of it.
Edit:
Get fwupd if you don't have it to install latest firmware.
sudo pacman -S fwupd
fwupdmgr refresh
fwupdmgr update
@@DBZM1k3 The point that I'm making is that Linux is limiting the clocks, regardless of the app running inside Wine or not, you see? I wonder if there are workarounds for that issue specifically. Windows is able to extract more juice out of the hardware, so now we just have to find why or how this is happening.
good to know
ive recently switched back to linux only systems
and also want to upgrade my gen1 ryzen finally
my only problem is i need more cores than 8 and im not sure the 12 core is going to perform like the 8 core or 16 core
jumping to 16 core based on binning is costly and id rather have a better binned 12
So at this point I don't know who else to turn to, and I remembered this channel. I'm using IPOPT and casadi to solve a Nonlinear optimization problem in real time (model predictive control), and I have been confused for months now as to why the performance is so different with Intel vs. AMD. I'm currently using a Thinkpad P53 with an i7-9750H and I created a benchmark that solves the NLP about 10k times and calculates the average time to solve it. I ran this on my laptop, compiled with gcc-8.4 and on a 3900x with gcc-9, and the i7-9750H is still slower in the solver part. As I realized that BLAS and Lapack are more suited for linux, I compiled ipopt with BLIS and libflame instead, but it's still marginally slower than my laptop CPU, which according to UserBenchmarks, should not be the case. What am I doing wrong? if anyone knows or would be willing to help me in any way, I would really appreciate it. Contact me at acc4presentations@gmail.com or comment here, if so. It's a bad situation because I want to upgrade so badly, also since I'm slowly hitting the limits of my CPU, and I'm too afraid of buying a 400 to 600€ CPU to then get worse performance...
Edit: I'd of course be willing to share my entire code base someone is interested.
That's what I have founded. Good job, there~ ^^
I'm glad you like it! ~ Editor Amber
Id give two thumbs up for he IT Crowd reference
Thanks
can confirm about gcc bugs. yesterday I had gcc crash with a segfault when cross-compiling linux for sparc64
Can you do some benchmarks comparing the 5000 series on Linux and Windows please.
The year of the linux desktop!
Will you make a video on VFIO and what to consider?
Amazing!
Thanks! ~ Editor Amber
So I am 2 years out, I just got my 5900X, and out the gate it hits 4.9 more consistently than it drops below 4.0. It is a very floating number, but it is almost always 4.8-4.9 straight out of the box onto a x570. Its everything I wanted and I have had it less than 72 hours.
I hope to see how VFIO/virtualization in this platform performs.
This one right here! Zen 3 has turned out to be the exact confluence of performance vs price vs efficiency/optimization. Ideally what I'd like to do is buy the highest core count I can find, use it as my daily rig until it needs upgrading, then instead of retiring it, moving it over to replace my xeons... hell, maybe even replace the xeons immediately and simply make my daily rig a 24x7 machine, simply passing through the devices I need to a vm and letting the rest of the cores do their BIDNESS! First gen threadripper unfortunately just couldn't do it for me. Or I was too lazy to go about playing whackamole with all the issues, idk.
However, in order to do so, gotta know how zen 3 behaves with all the KVM and QEMU related technologies before doing so. Thanks for all you do for the community, Wendell. You're truly a massive asset to the community, and valued as a sage source of wisdom (and zaneyness of course!)
can you make a new video on introducing us newbies into setting up linux with all your preferences and favorite distro, maybe a all in one video! mainly since new gen is here.
Allegedly Linux kernel 5.8 and newer kernels support all ryzen 5000 series cpus. I'll be able to confirm that or report differently when I get my x570 taichi mobo and 5900x alittle later this week.
And if it's any red team video card made in the past 10 years, chances are , it will just work out of the box since the drivers for amd gpu's are literally built right into the kernels since versions 4.4 and newer ( or 4. whatever . I forgot the exact number that was most plentiful)
So if you're building an all red team cpu + gpu build, then it's really just a matter of user opinion on which Linux version and desktop environment you'd prefer.
If you're new to linux and coming straight from Windows, I couldn't recommend anything more than Linux Mint 20 cinnamon ( yes I know 20.1 is out, however, there is one odd bug I've found about Panel aka Taskbar auto hide upon rebooting/restarting your PC. It ALWAYS auto stretches/messing up the icons of whatever you put on the panel in the center and right hand areas of it. I've already submitted this bug to the Cinnamon team earlier today in hopes that they will fix it soon). If you don't auto hide or you'll ok with the " Intelligently hide panel" setting, then you'll be golden with 20.1. Otherwise. Stick with Cinnamon 20.
I say Cinnamon because coming from Windows 7 and 10, Mint Cinnamon has the smallest learning curve learning to swim in the Linux world.
1. The Cinnamon Menu, stock, behaves 99% just like Windows 7's Start menu with the exact same keyboard key ( win logo button aka start button aka super key) that opens and closes it.
2. With a couple of exceptions, the Panel ( what windows users would call the Taskbar) can be configured just like you could in Windows and an exception or two in how you do that versus in Windows ( pinning versus having to create a Taskbar Folder in Windows to get the same functionality as what XP used to have called Quick Launch to be able to literally put WHATEVER you want in there - such as MULTIPLE different folders/directories on separate one click launch icons which you cannot do with " Pinning" in Windows 7 and newer versions )
3. Windows snapping - It works PRECISELY the same...out of the box..keyboard hotkeys and all as Windows 10 and you can tweak that even some as well.
Main things to learn to wrap your head around involving Linux is the following:
A. Storage drive labeling and where it is mounted - meaning the file path to accessing stuff within that drive -- is not done the same as in Windows. You're not given a drive letter for any usb thumb drives you plug in or internal ssd's you add. They're labeled OOTB as their model or serial numbers. So if you want that changed, ( and it's not necessary..just saying for the sake of my own OCD checkboxing) you must manually change that , for one example, using Gnome Disks program ( just called Disks which has a wrench on the icon itself) and select the double cog " Additional Partition options" and " edit Mount options" . It may sound hard or intimidating but it really isn't.
B. Windows only/native programs don't just work OOTB in Linux unless that distro already has WINE installed and even then there is no 100% guarantee the software/game will work ( Warcraft III 2 disc original retail Battle Chest set is one exception I've encountered. some versions Corel Word Perfect and of course Adobe Content creation software are other examples ). Wine can seem intimidating too but once you understand how it works, it's not that bad. Every..single game I own just works and now that I understand how it works, I don't even need Lutris to manage how wine runs these games anymore although it's still a pretty good user friendly mental bridge to getting that done.
*** Keep in mind when I said that...games that require anti-cheat software/tech as of the time of this comment as well as whatever Riot Games deals with now that makes League of Legends incompatible with Wine and a few rare Epic Games Launcher game titles ( although Heroic launcher..I think has not resolved that ) wont' yet work , but I don't play anything online except some CS:GO occasionally and that just works in Native Linux steam although I bought that game as well as many others including Doom 2016 from Windows Steam version from within Windows years ago ***
But like I did because I'm slow to change and often dislike it, You CAN make a Linux Mint 20 Cinnamon installation function to a reasonable extent ,and look, just like your Windows 7 or 10 installation: Wallpapers, Themes, how the panel works and where stuff is, icons and all. To show desktop icons or to hide them....all things that are reasonably easy to do in LM 20 Cinnamon. That way it doesn't have to be or STAY a such a mental shell shocker, and really the only times you'll notice the difference is when you're running Windows -only/native applications/games, or if you have to do a particular update ( such as if you chose to update the kernel using Ubuntu mainline kernel updater program to get the latest and greatest Kernel where as the Linux Mint team often sits on a kernel for a while to ensure it's stable -- which is a good thing honeslty -- before sending it through their native Update Manager application that comes already installed in any Linux Mint installation
Many distros ( aka operating systems) in the Linux world have multiple desktop environments you can use/choose from ( unlike in Windows you're limited to just the one they provide and you can't replace or do as much with).
Cinnamon, Mate, XFCE, LMDE, LXQT, Budgie, KDE, Gnome ( often now called Gnome 3 with distros like Fedora for example). the list can go on
Mate's panel is even easier in my opinion as you can just left click and drag whatever you want right into/onto the panel. I don't know if they've fixed the instability problems in LM Mate yet though ( last time I tried it was version 20 in mid July 2020 just before going 100% Linux to 20 cinnamon from Win 10 pro 64 bit)
Xfce takes more work to do the same things you can do alittle easier in Mate and Cinnamon involving the panel and other little what nots here and there, but it's a lighter weight desktop environment. You'll have to play with with each to get a feel for what will be your favorite to stick with
---- --- On to actually getting up and running -=-=
1. 1st things first. I DON'T ... recommend dual booting ( aka installing Windows and a LInux distro into the same physical storage drive). It's just most often a recipe for eventual disaster and data loss as well as booting problems and just creates more complication than needed. Keep those two worlds ( windows and linux) separate and you'll keep your sanity and be able to learn Linux at your own pace and take safe breaks and go back to Windows as needed whenever you need to. Just ensure whatever drive you install Linux into ends up being the only storage drive connected to that PC ( if you're stuck using only one PC to start using linux with) and disconnect any and all windows drives. When you're ready to take a break and get back to Windows, shut it down/power it off properly ( if laptop..pull that battery power cord), disconnect the linux-drive, and reconnect your windows drive(s), and worst case thing you may encounter is the time in Windows taskbar at the bottom right being wrong, ..
Just double left click it and toggle the part that says " use internet to update the time" or something like that and it's fixed ....every time. ( it's something do with using local time versus internet time. shrugs)
2. When you're prepping your Linux distro installation media ( thumb drive or even ssd like I do), ** I use unnetbootin..It's never failed me** and you're about to power everything down to plug that drive in to boot from, enter your bios/uefi page upon boot up, and ensure it is set to Legacy mode as well as disabling secure boot. Most often these can cause odd problems in Linux,...depending on the distro....not sure why yet.
3. When you boot from that linux thumb drive ( or ssd) if you're running an Nvidia vid card/gpu, you might have to select " Compatibility mode" to get up and running be it both just running that " live usb environment" ( that's booting from the linux usb drive but have not yet installed it) or booting into the drive you just installed Linux into because often it will boot to a black screen dealing with a problem of driver miscommunication. So you'll have to deal with adding ' nomodeset" in the Grub boot advanced options ( for my PC..it's pressing ESC button a time or three to access that menu, easy though also it's how you'd manually tell it to boot using a different kernel if needs be to upgrade or go back to a different kernel) .... .. AMD gpu's/vid cards don't have this problem as the driver is literally built into the kernel
So you're booted into that live environment and you'll see an icon that talks about Installing Linux Mint, double left click it from there it's pretty much next next next. Now assuming you were wise and have only one storage drive internally installed to install Linux into at this point, You can just select " install linux mint " or " erase and install linux mint" ..something like that ( no need for " something else" ) and roll on. You can either install the multimedia codecs now or do them later, personally I'd rather do it and get it over with to ensure I can play all of my music, videos/movies and other media-involved what nots OOTB..
**** You don't have to encrypt your storage drive or home folder ( better to encrypt the drive versus home folder per Mint team as they have done tests proving there is better performance encrypting the entire drive vs just home folder. I'm not yet sure why ) ********
At the end of the whole meal deal, DON'T select " restart now" and instead select " Continue testing" ( UNLESS you see a message talking about ** remove installation and then press enter to restart *** ) as if you remove the install thumb drive or ssd too soon before the PC has completely powered down and trying to boot up automatically...it will mess up the installation and the system won't detect the Grub boot manager and act like ..basically you never finished installation an operating system to boot into. The mint team claims they've solved this with Mint 20, but I saw it happen to me on 20 and 20.1 cinnamon early when I was testing something things. Just trying to help you evade a simple headache here. :D
>>> So The system is powered down now, unplug that installation drive, and power it back on ( note you may need to enter bios/uefi again and manually tell the Boot Order to select that drive you just installed linux into as 1st boot priority ** ). IF all went well within 40 seconds or less ( worst case with a 7200 rpm HDD) or 25 seconds or less ( with typical good Sata ssd), you'll be loaded into your Linux Mint desktop.
4. First rule of I.T. is...back it up. SECOND rule of I.T. is....BACK IT UP. :
Timeshift, learn it...love it...live it. It is one of your best friends. The other best friend is a solid program that will let you boot into a separate OS and do a full system image restoration ( such as clonezilla or better yet...Foxclone. I've been using Foxclone lately and it's been an EASY life saver).
With Timeshift, just plug in any external storage drive, ( ensure it's mounted aka you left click on it and know you can copy files to and from it within the file manager *** in Cinnamon's case..that would be Nemo by default ), select "settings" , keep the " Type" at rsync for now, select "location" tab, if needs be left click on the arrow to the left of the drive and select that dot right under it..TO select the drive to be used as the Timeshift back up drive, involving " Schedule" tab, I leave that blank or off since I'd prefer to know when my machine does the backups and I prefer to do them manually anyways. You'd be surprise how fast Timeshift can fill up a drive if you just leave it to it's own. Besides, I personally don't want to micromanage my backups that much.
"Users" tab involves you selecting what all you want to back up. ** Note** this does not guarantee it will back up everything about that linux-installed drive, In fact assume it will only back up the important things that only include the kernel version, it's ability to boot into your desktop..little things like that. If possible, grab a second drive to keep all of your other data on such as docs, pictures, music, videos, games, etc into. This will also keep the backup process faster and simpler too. "Filters" is fairly self explanatory, " Misc " tab isn't even needed to be adjusted ..just a personal preference thing.
The time length it needs to back up your linux drive depends on the amount of data is being consumed and what type of backup drive you're using ( 5400 rpm laptop hdd using a usb adapter cord vs sata ssd using that same cord is a big difference..obviously in speed both backing up and restoring)
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--- Timeshift ---
When restoring using Timeshift, you'll either need to be able to actually boot into that Linux installation..OR boot into Linux using the installation thumb drive or ssd ( with that drive you're trying to restore....also connected obviously ) , then when you get to the desktop or live desktop. open up the cinnamon menu by pressing the super key aka start button aka win log button on your keyboard...and search for Time shift, launch it and then click the "Restore" button, 1st you may have to select " Browse to select the timeshift backup you did..possibly not though. Then the rest is just self explanatory and patience. LET it do it's thing 100% and it will auto reboot your machine as you'll see a bunch of text on a dark grey background flooding your screen. That's normal..It's loading all the needed pieces back together so your motherboard/bios can detect the operating system on that drive correctly and everything will work correctly.
You might have to spam the delete key or whatever key it is to access your bios again to tell it to boot only or 1st from the linux-installed drive to ensure it doesn't boot into that linux installation thumb drive or ssd again...sometimes it's hard to know when to unplug it in this situation depending on your PC.
--- Foxclone ---
With Foxclone you're require no matter what to boot from it's own operating system ( which is that .iso file you download from their site and put into a thumb drive or ssd to boot from ..to access all of its features including system image backups/clones and restorations). Backing up and restoring using Foxclone is basically self explanatory. Just ensure you select all the possible partitions involving the source drives and the drive you're backing that up to ( you might see an extended partition being left blank..that's ok if you've already ensured you've tried to select all partition in the little window on each part). then it's just a next... next kind of deal. You can name it also if you want.
**** Ensure you're using a usb 3.0 connection/usb thumb drive and not a usb 2.0 as the 2.0 drive for some odd reason basically hangs ( I think Wendell mentioned this a long time back on level1techs)..not sure why as the drive to boot into Foxclone desktop ***
I actually prefer using Foxclone over Windows own built in System Image backup utility because Foxclone doesn't depend on as many limitations or strict variables as Windows. Foxclone does a direct file to file..folder to folder bit to bit, byte to byte etc type of system image backup. Thus the chances it WILL restore things back to normal..no matter what are FAR better.
So I've typed a big enough book for now.
If you need further help, just ask. I'm also active on Linuxmintforum dot com site too and I still get good help from a few of the guys there.
Cheers.
Motoryzen Damn bro that was a lot of information, than you so much G👍🏻
A few things to make the OOTB experience better/what you liked in Windows
If at any point ( such as installing or running a browser you had to install such as google chrome) it pops up a window asking for your keyring password, that is nothing you really need to worry about, just simply press enter or ok and ignore the warning message after. I find dealing with that bs is a pointless hassle.
1. blue lighter filer in Windows is called " night light" and you can adjust the " strength " of it via a gui slider
Linux Mint's answer = qredshift... a " Cinnamon applet" that you get via right clicking on the panel, select " applets", then Download, you should see it within first 5 selections otherwise search for it, select it and click it's down error button to the right to download it, then go back to " manage" button/tab, select the qredshift, then select that plus button at the bottom to add it to your panel. Finally, left click on it and at the top of that pop up window, select " Enable" ..Now be it day or night time, you can left click hold and slide the adjuster to the left or right as much as you'd like ( left makes it warmer just like in Windows where as further right = further turns down or off the blue light filtering benefit)
2. mouse scroll wheel speed adjustment :
Yes..I know..this SHOULDN'T even be needed. ** come on mint team..get on it lol **
Follow directions here io.bikegremlin.com/11541/linux-mouse-scroll-speed/
It doesn't matter HOW you do the first step to install it. Step 2 must be followed to the T, ( obviously except the part of home/relja/Utils where relja is the user name of the person used as an example or that created this imwheel thing...your user name that you put in when installing linux will be in between " home " and " /Utils" folder that you created per its instructions. Then you right click inside that folder and "create new document" name it mouse.sh, then right click and make it executable or you can do that same thing via the terminal...it doesn't matter which.
Now if you did it right , you open a terminal window ( if you don't already have one open) and left click and drag that mouse.sh file into that window. then press enter to run it. You should see the pop up window with a slider option. The bigger the number you slide it to, the much faster the mouse scroll wheel will scroll webpages. I set mine to 5. YMMV. tweak it as you wish
Now go to cinnamon menu, "start up applications" and add it as a new "custom" start up item with No delay. with the command window saying only " imwheel" without quotes , name it whatever you want to ensure it will remember this setting upon each and every restart or log out/log back in.
3. Do you find the maximize, minimize and close buttons to be small no matter what Theme or font size you use?
github.com/smurphos/Window_Borders_Mint_19
Scroll down to the Installation part ( barely a third of the page down) and just follow those terminal window instructions to the t.
It's three commands to paste and hit enter involving ( ctrl shift v by default to paste things into terminal..You can edit this within preferences to to just ctrl v and ctrl c like I did ), then cinnamon menu search for " themes" and selecting "Windows Borders" you'l see two new themes talking about " mint-y-dark bb " and " mint-y-dark-VBB" Enjoy easier to click on buttons now.
4. If you prefer/are used to how Windows looked on the taskbar when you have something launched from it ( either pinned or separate item and then it shows up elsewhere on the bar with a blue or whatever color underlining it showing it's running), in LM cinnamon you have two big choices..." Traditional " or " Modern" traditional is the separate items deal..where as modern is more of a pinned items deal. You'll have to experiment to see which you prefer.
5. Keyboard shortcuts _--
When you are dealing with or creation keyboard shortcuts ( say for example with wanting to launch a Task Manager like deal in LInux...for me it's gnome system monitor), you might find that when you create the shortcut or edit it...it might not work. You'll need to ( just chances are just the one time) reboot your PC or log out of cinnamon and log back in for the edit or newly created shortcut to begin working. I'm not sure why, but that's been my experience on every LM 20 install I've done since last year.
So using that example. I like launching Gnome System Monitor as my " task manager" in Linux Mint ( actual command is gnome-system-monitor ) with ctrl shift esc.
A short brief system info summary thing is "System Info" which I have set to super key aka start button aka win log button and i ( as in the letter " eye ")
"System Profiler and Benchmark" is what I could consider as the equal or better than to Windows' start+ pause/break button for System information and perhaps Device Manager all in one ( launched in 8, 8.1, and 10 using start button and x, then m ). I launch it using super key and x
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By default ootb , Linux Mint's screen shot to take a FULL screen screen shot of everything is Print scrn button on your keyboard and saves it to Pictures folder either directly or in the Pictures folders and then inside the Screenshots folder .
If it doesn't or you want to change where Mint automatically saves them or auto directs you to offer to save them. dconf-editor to the rescue
You may need to install. it with "sudo apt-get install dconf-editor" without quotes in terminal window.
Then enter this in a terminal window :
gsettings set org.gnome.gnome-screenshot auto-save-directory '/home/yourpath' ( replace '/home/yourpath' with whereever you prefer. if you prefer desktop and you named your Linux PC "taco", then it would look like this:
gsettings set org.gnome.gnome-screenshot auto-save-directory '/home/taco/Desktop'
@@EasyIsHere Sorry.. :D I can talk a lot when it comes to stuff I'm enthusiastic about and know a decent bit of from experience.
Hope that helps. Cheers. I have more links if ya need. Just holla.
5900X sold out all over the internet.. any idea when they'll come back available @Level1Linux ?
Awesome video. TY
AMD has to seriously watch closely the situation in regards to scalpers, and preventing people from buying multiple units like that just to hoard them, at least temporarily
So 3600 goes into the Unraid box and 5600/5800 in my gaming rig. Can't wait.
Man that Ryzen 5 5600X. Gonna buy that and the RX 6800 for my new build. Do you have a recommendation for a solid B550 Motherboard for Linux? Thanks!
I want to game on Linux, maybe with gpu passthrough to a windows vm with a dedicated hard drive.
Im going with the top of amd new launch but would like to know which motherboards have the right iommu groups
Kind of hype even though I don't have money for a new CPU and I haven't dabbled in Linux yet outside of VM.
Wendell, you never give Arch some love. ;) A recent version, it doesn't get much more recent.
Thanks, i didnt want to tell linus i was going to use a threadripper with no GUI
My 5800X is coming next week. Fucking excited (running 80% Linux, 20% W$).
Radeon 6x00 on Linux next? Has the PCIe reset bug been fixed?
woohoo linuxy goodness
How is the topology? Is the 5800X the sweet spot in terms of latency because of the new ccd layout?
Wondering how‘s the compatibility of the new ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero with Linux?
+1 for Navi patch
Is the video encoding/export settings for this video different from the settings used for the level1techs video from today?
I've noticed recently that some specific videos don't play well with Chromecast and have random stutter, especially since the recent CZcams video player update.
I'm not certain that it's encoding, just noticed it a lot recently on some videos and not on others, so trying to piece the puzzle 😅
Casting from the CZcams app on mobile, haven't tested if I cast from a PC, but know that the stutter doesn't exist when avoiding the Chromecast and plugging into my TV with whichever device directly.
The stutter also is nonexistent with other video platforms, just with CZcams and only with some specific videos.
Huh. I have no clue. Same settings. We render in Adobe Premiere with H.264 if that helps ~ Editor Amber
Hmmm, strange. Maybe it's just random 😅
Gday, Why dont we have Ryzen ITX and Ryzen Server mobos in 2020?
It seems to have a valid market for Ryzen ITX + 1 NVME + 2 SATA + 2 RAM + 2 PCI-E + 2.5GBE mobo
along with a Server mATX+ATX board with 2.5 duel + SAS HBA controller
Perfect! I will need a video Card to install Linux for the first time if I buy this Ryzen 5800X? If the drivers of the video card fails, How can i re-install them?
How is the IOMMU stuff on it? I'm looking to upgrade my Unraid server
What’s the idle power draw/temps like on Linux? Previous gen performed really poor there, reason why I switched back to Intel.
Hi! Can you do a 1 month update on this? Thanks!
on my 3900X, the nct6775 driver provides better temp/sensor monitoring than k10temp. does 5900X/5950X support nct6775 also?
My concern is that the server versions, such as RHEL/CentOS/etc even in their latest EL8 incarnation are still lagging behind in full kernel support. They generally don't do "latest and greatest", that's not their "goal" in life, so to speak. Would you have had a chance to test that?
So what memory sticks would you recommend? Like 2x16GB 3600Mhz CL14 or 4x8GB CL14? Or what 3800Mhz? I have a trouble to pick a kit.
Can you do a benchmark on Ryzen 7 5800X3D?
I will wait for the 5900XT
I have a 3900x and a RX 5700xt, I am really tempted to get a 5900x and a RX 6800xt...
So really dumb question. I have an R710 (I think) server with dual E5630s and 72gb of RAM. I was considering an upgrade to a dual 6-core 56XX but am thinking about just getting a 5900X when they come back down and are available. Sucks because I would need a new MB, RAM, case etc but the speed. I am currently running Windows 10 Pro and mainly using it as Plex and storage server. I am considering using Linux and creating VMs because my wife's laptop keeps falling down on her workflow and I could leverage the additional performance over my 3600. What do you think? Fire away!
Do you know (or can you check) if they fixed the bmi2 problem in Zen3?
I found out on Anandtech that they fixed it.
Now we know why Wendell is nowhere to be found on the Level1Techs forums, he's busy with "ryzing" GNU/Linux with its new Ryzen chips :p
Is there a rule of thumb for when to switch from high end ryzen over to threadripper in a workstation build?
If your workload is memory limited then either upgrade to threadripper or downgrade to a cheaper desktop part depending on how you want to optimise. If you can scale nicely to more cores regardless of memory constraints then threadripper is an option.
@@tappy8741 ECC support is also nice on lower end TR.
Is the Ryzen 5000 any good for virtualization?
I search for "Ryzen 5000 Linux", I find Wendell. What a win!!
I tried the passthrough thing with a R7 1700 CPU / GTX 1070 GPU but I couldn't get the "advertised" 95% native performace I'd seen touted around. It was more like 50 to 60%.
I know this old but I think you've maybe configured it wrong, which is why you had been getting bad performance. In reality it should be 95% or more
@@nicotolvanen5079 I could get near-native if I just ran a CPU-only benchmark (like cinebench) or GPU-only benchmark (Like Firestrike or Timespy GT1 or GT2), or even a combined synthetic test (3dmark or unigine superposition).
But when I ran an actual game I would get horrible inconsistent frame times...and the average framerate would be 40 to 60 as opposed to 100 - 120 when running on native Windows.
I also thought I must have configured something wrong, but couldn't get anyone in the forum to explain what it was.
I would love to get this going properly but I can't be arsed to mess around with it really. Instead I just went back to dual-boot native Windows when I want to game, but find myself just living there because I can't be arsed to reboot all the time. Would love to just run Manjaro all the time and just fire up the VM when I want to game but not with that performance hit.
ppl compare performance/price. What about watts? energy consumption is also important. but if ppl compare with games in mind, forget about earth. and monthly bills.
one more thing i would like to see channels like this, run many vms. and make ppl understand how powerfull they wre when it comes to this
Still debating if I should upgrade from a Threadripper 2950X to a 5950X. Your thoughts? How do the two compare?
Yeaaaah baby first class citizens!!!
the 16 core is the new 20 core but will pale compared to zen4 - the supply chain is hopelessly borked and cpu prices have not budged - both are good reasons to wait as most businesses will do, very likely
ASRock B450 all day! It's my $25 craigslist grab. I'll happily run a 5600!
which linux version distro is this ?
How about support on Asus boards?
Maybe someone will be able to explain me this: along the research for which laptop to buy, I came across several videos benchmarking gaming performance for 3500U laptop APU's, 2500U's and comparing them to desktop 2400G's and 2600's (I think these were the models that I watched videos of, I was mostly focusing in laptops anyway...) What surprised me there (and please pay attention: all of this specific to APU's only, none of these benchmarks made with dedicated GPU's, okay?) what surprised me is that I haven't notice a big performance gap between laptop Ryzen APUs and desktop Ryzen APUs. Shouldn't be desktop much much faster, like at least double? (because of not limited TDP?) And what does this say about AMD? Does this mean that AMD was so succesfull at extracting juice out of these things that they were even able to surpass the paradigm shift of Laptop vs Desktop performance gap? Thoughts?
The 3600X was already faster than the previous 8 core... so tempted to get the 5000 series, but at the same time, I have no need for an upgrade form my 3600X, I just play games and nothing even come close to push my current system so far.
Have things improved in 2 weeks?
It's very silly that they are still doing optimisation based on known detected cpu
Or the extreme laziness way if not "Intel genuine cpu detected" disable all optimisations, instead of detecting cpu features the using them (the laziness even was all the way down to btrfs as well there crc32c was only using hardware acceleration if an intel CPU has detected)
sir, how do I become wizard like you?
Was this why you kept saying remember remember the 5th of November?
no, this: czcams.com/video/dy3ezUm1V20/video.html
Can you get CL14 3600 2x16GB or 4x16GB ? I'd like a total of 64GB ram for Linux so that VM's will have enough RAM. :-)
What motherboard do you recommend for Linux?
Linux recommended mobo? = Anything in which the lan ( and/or wlan if laptop) works OOTB as well as boots to the desktop without needing bios flashing WITH having to use a 1-gen older cpu in order to update the bios so that you can then power it down, remove that cpu, and install that newest gen cpu and then you're up and running. xD
Basically with amd 5000 series, any xx570 mobo in which includes a "q-flash" ( as Gigabyte calls it) or " bios flashback" as Asrock calls it
www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570%20Taichi/ is the board I'm getting this week
TLDR = this special way of flashing the bios to an more updated one means only power supply 24 pin main power connector, the 8 pin cpu power connector, and ram plus the usb thumb drive that contains the updated bios from the official mobo's manufacturer website ...are ALL that is needed to update the bios...no cpu, no monitor, nothing else needed.
I don't know about you, but I'm not interesting in buying a motherboard and the newest gen cpu only to find out I must update the bios but the mobo doesn't support q-flash or such usb simple flashing function and end up having to also buy an older cpu and go through that hassle of returning or selling that older cpu.
Should I buy a used 3950X or a new 5900X for high end workstation use. Lots of compiling and simulation.
Very interesting to compare compile times. openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/build-gcc-1.2.0 The 5900X and 5950X are extremely impressive ! Only a few seconds off much more expensive Threadrippers.
Just wait a bit if you can. AMD is apparently churning out 5000 series cpus. January 2021 hoping thing will calm down. If you are doing simulating, I'd expect, if using x570 with good ram, pcie4 nvme, and a good gpu, the 3950x might be holding you back a bit. It all depends on the money you got to spend. Try and balance out the system, prevent any perfomance bottlenecks.
Me so confused. B550 or X570? I don't know if I'll be using lots of high-speed M2 sticks at this stage, but maybe in the future?
Yeah I was in the same boat about b550 or x570 question. My thoughts involved this "
1. Yeah..I don't want to encounter the problem of getting an am4 motherboard and it already not have the most updated enough bios that will let me just plug and play boot up any ryzen 5000 series cpu and I don't want to have to buy a ryzen 3000 series cpu also JUST to mitigate that problem ahead of time only to have to HOPE I can immediately return that 3000 series cpu to the vendor or end up having to hope I can sell it for exactly what I bought it for... and most of the b550 boards have a bios flashback or q-flash ( as gigabyte calls theirs) method of updating bios using only psu and memory with a usb thumb drive being plugged into a specific port with the updated bios already put into it and extracted to it's root area ( most often this is a specific physical port per the manufacturer's instructions), but I'll be limited in the full meal deal bandwidth when I finally upgrade from my Intel 750 800GB pci express gen 3 drive to an 8 TB pciExpress gen 4.0 drive and running whatever highest end graphics card at the time with a second pci E gen 4 storage drive also as a backup.
2. Well If I'm smacking down over 100 bucks for a motherboard and sticking to my tried and true consistently reasonable plan of not worrying about upgrading my PC except once every 6 years basically....there's no point in me skimping but I'm not paying over 300 bucks for one either. I know I can find an x570 chipset am4 mobo that has that simple q-flash or bios flashback method of easily updating the bios in case it isn't just a plug, and boot up and it just works- situation without having to buy a 3000 series cpu just to get up and running "
x570 for me. My asrock x570 Taichi and 5900x could arrive this Tuesday ( or understandably Wednesday giving this stupid weather)
@@motoryzen Thanks so much for the very detailed break-down! I went with the X570 too (the ASUS Prime X570-P). My primary use case is development, so I wanted a machine that was as quiet as possible. I was a little worried about the motherboard having active cooling over the X570 chipset, but I can't hear a thing when using it. The other important thing for me is flawless (and optimal performance) with LInux. So far, it has been working perfectly with Linux (much better than my old Z97 with a i7-4790). I love this machine!
Good luck with your upgrade! If you have time, please post back here and let me know how it goes.
...and when coupled with RX 68xx gpus?
Why do you recommend the B550 over the X570 at 11:52 ?
Had you listened to him immediately after wards for a minute at most..You would know the answer. xD Must be patient and read/listen all the way through before asking questions sometimes. Then you'll find no need to ask certain questions.
@@motoryzen ... immediately afterwards he tells why X570 is better ...
@@CodemasterAUT Is there an echo in here? xD
"My speech with a lot of arse" surely CZcams will take that down in seconds!?
Yes please, more linux reporting. Last machine that i dual boted linux/win was last year and the Rage mode of win10 has messed up dual booting with an windows update. Ever since i just run VM if i need to test something in windows.
Maybe zen 3 5800X will find a place in my rig to replace 2600X, but im waiting for Gigabyte's x470 bios update.
I will wait for Linux 5.10 to be released, all the craziness to settle and then I'll get my sweet, sweet 5900X :D
I just bought a Ryzen 5 3500U laptop, waiting for it to be delivered... First upgrade in 8 years. I seriously hope the next release of Xubuntu (or maybe a 20.10.3 patch or something like that) includes new kernel, updated drivers and all that is needed right from the 1st boot, because I don't want to waste time tweaking all that manually. I would hate to change distro just because of this, Xubuntu is so slick and functional, I love it for that (at least it was on older hardware)
@@redbanlovesasians2236 3500U(Zen+) and the 4000-series(Zen2) laptops use Vega. These will boot without any issues on Xubuntu 20.10. For laptops, would also suggest checking: auto-cpufreq
@@aliancemd That's what I hope. I will be able to test when the thing arrives at my door :) The hype is real
@@aliancemd Been a while since I allowed myself to buy new toys, so I'm giving myself this temporary bit of luxury. Well, it's a work tool as well, so it might help me make more money too, so there's that.
Since apparently they are arranging a 2nd lockdown potentially for at least more 6 months, at least in this meantime I will have a distraction gaming. Fuck anxiety and being stressed for a bit, if they want to burn the free world we built for ourselves, they might as well do it I don't care anymore.
@@aliancemd Thanks. It's working on Manjaro (kernel 5.8) It also worked on Xubuntu (kernel 5.4) but I had some freezing episode, don't know if related to CPU clocks or not. I've decided to stay on Manjaro for now. No issues so far, besides this: imgur.com/a/3gBAN7n Windows 10 power plans are able to dictate how the hardware works even after a reboot into Linux. I also noticed that windows 10 is able to get higher clocks and voltages than Linux, which seems to be limited to 1.000 Vcore. Any ways to unlock it on Linux?
Woah I am so early
can I run opelnindiana on it ?
How are the IOMMU groups?
We all want to know
depends on the motherboard, I want a list of good motherboards
well if you have a 2700x laying around...could i buy it for cheap?