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- In his first five seasons, Patrick Mahomes has already won a Super Bowl and league MVP. According to FOX Bet SportsBook, Mahomes is currently tied for the best odds to win MVP this season. In a recent article, the Kansas City Chiefs' QB was mentioned as the heir apparent to the GOAT throne currently held by Tom Brady. TB12 has won seven Super Bowls and won three MVPs. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe discuss whether Mahomes will be considered better than Brady or not.
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Is Patrick Mahomes the heir apparent to Tom Brady's 'GOAT throne?' | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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Josh Allen is a better qb and if not will be
Shannon wasn't any football player and I think he knows what he's talking about Patrick mahomes is not called showtime for no reason. He's never had a bad game ever. If hes just a little bit under stellar they say he's had a bad day. Patrick mahomes is the most exciting the most versatile the best quarterback the NFL has ever seen. And it takes an All-Pro like Shannon to know what he's talking about
When skip start talking i gotta switch it to 1.25x
@@paulamadden1766 he is great but he has an amazing offensive Coach and he has had great weapons his whole career let’s see if he can carry an offense deep into the playoffs. That is true greatness and the fact that people just skip him past guys like Peyton Manning and Joe Montana is just pathetic And he definitely is not Tom Brady, Tom Brady literally went into Patrick Mahomes building and beat him with a much less talented team and out played him when it counted most. Patrick Mahomes poor play in the first half of that AFC championship game cost his team a chance to go to the Super Bowl in 2018. He is the most spectacular quarterback we have ever seen and that does not mean he is on Tom Brady‘s or Joe Montana’s level
@@ikjotsingh4353 I agree that Skip is an idiot and he does Tom Brady and Michael Jordan a disservice when he argues in favor of them
Skip: "I hear a lot of buzz"
Shannon: "You left your door open it was a fly flying around"
lmfaoooo yo
Lol... as soon as he said that, I went to check the comment section.
Shannon quick on his feet 😂
Unc is crazy
These 2 are the best 👌. I really believe skip just says outlandish things that even he himself doesn't believe for the show. He knows it would make great back and forth with Shannon.
“I hear a lot of Joe Burrow buzz.. “- skip
“NO THATS YOU” - Shannon 🤣🤣🤣
wait so Skip has a problem with Mahomes being compared to Brady but has no issue with Burrow being called the next Brady even though he's not as accomplished as Mahomes?
Different play styles
Skip only compares Burrow's play style and composure to Brady.. he's never said Burrow is closer to Brady than Mahomes in greatness
NFL is 100% RIGGED!! How else do you have non athletic Brady win 8 SB's after this year's UNDEFEATED season going 20-0.
@@user-ws7zv6sf2w is his arm talent at age 45 also rigged ?
@@user-ws7zv6sf2w Then I guess every sport winner and championship is rigged right? 🙄😑
“That buzz is the fly buzzing around” I am dead. 😂🤣
Mahomes is a incredible talent , BUT keep it up over 20 years … that’s the real challenge.
*PATRICK TOILETSNIFFERHOMES IS THE WORST QB IN THE ENTIRE NFL AND SHOULD BE 0-1 RIGHT NOW AND WILL LOSE TO THE CHARGERS AND FINISH 1-16 THIS YEAR. ALSO HE LOST THE SUPER BOWL 31-9 TO TOM BRADY*
Agreed. Absolute truth.
Agreed. Absolute truth.
Ditto 😎
Those years were spent running from his wife. The cat finally came out of the bag this off season 😆
Here’s a bright idea. Why don’t we just let Patrick Mahomes be Patrick Mahomes? He’s that good that he doesn’t have to be the next anybody
Point well taken and well received.
Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth
Well to be fair his play style is identical to a young Aaron Rodgers, people just like to forget that every single throw u see mahomes make, rodgers made it first
@@ballsballsballs3617 and pat mahomes already got the same amount of superbowls
everyone should want to be the goat
Brady played in 3 different eras
He’s also played in 3 different resolutions (480, 1080 and 4K)
😂
You got a point there. 😆
💀💀
Bro just skipped 720
Brady is that old guy in the gym waiting on the sidelines but can ball anyway just waiting for a sucker.
The Chiefs hadn't won a SB in 50 years before Mahomes was drafted. Honestly, he's already done a lot for the game of football.
The Patriots had never won one ever until Brady and he got 6 and another on another team. Pat is an all time talent but I don’t think he should be compared to Brady until he wins more. Brady just had a better season than him last year and won a super bowl more recently on top of that against the Chiefs.
@Peter Angles I would disagree no one cares or none of us would be here
@@datsapaddlin true but with those o line injuries, the chiefs had no chance in that SB. I don't think KC gets to another SB this year. I think Mahomes will have a great season regardless
@@grant21999 He got him in the playoffs with the Patriots as well. Injures are just apart of the game but he got a long way to go to accomplish what Brady did. It’s way to early to compare when he only has 1 ring and less accolades.
I’ve played football and been watching for 25 years. Mahomes is the greatest pure qb talent I’ve ever seen. The pocket awareness, arm strength, arm slots, progressions I’ve never seen at such a high level at once. I don’t really care if he ever catches Brady in SBs because that’s just an argument made for TV and to keep us talking. He’s gonna get at least a couple more as long as the chiefs build a good roster
Brady also played in several different eras when it wasn’t pass heavy and changed rules like it is today. This conversation will never age.
I’m surprised either or haven’t mentioned that yet . Unc quick to bring up Brady plays in a softer era but fails to mention throwing the ball 30-40 times a game was not a thing when Brady first got in the league
Who cares about the rules? He’s not gonna abide by them anyway
That type of nuance is really lacking with the so-called analysts nowadays. People literally just use basic stats to try and prove their point which just doesn’t work especially when you’re talking about football, you almost have to throw stats out of the window
Yeah, Brady's DEFENSE caused rule changes due to harassing colts players in the playoffs in '03 and '04, and he wasn't even that great until 2007.
@@cornelius9466 Yeah they were great in the early 2000s but the narrative that they were great and the 2010s is just a media narrative. And he was great in 2001 and on he just wasn’t asked to fully carry the offense until the era changed and they gave him weapons. Greatness is not defined by stats… especially in football
Brady has an incredible 18 post season games where he's thrown for +300 yards and has thrown for 4/5 of the top passing games in SB history including #1- 505 yards and #2- 466 yards.. My message to Mahomes on that GOOD LUCK 😂
505 yards = loss
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 .> 5 SB MVP's , 13,000 yards passing in the playoffs / 2nd All Time Manning at 7000
Wanna Play with me Chump?
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 He still broke his own record for passing yards in the superbowl and was carrying the team on his back that game. His defense was nowhere to be found.
You haters are going to have to try harder to discredit him.
@@JustinStrife cry harder. Mahomes had that bottom 5 defense since being the starter and still carried the team to multiple sb’s.
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 lucky swip took that game. But your right a loss is a loss. He did get a gift from Seattle so it's even.
Imagine a world where a Dallas Cowboys fan saying someone has an ego?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Does it make it a false statement?
Tom is still ballin at 45…how could Mahomes pass that
Mixed people don't age man he will be balling out bro trust me
@@AudioAlcove no guarantee, winning one is tough now 7!!!!??? Nope, Brady made it look to easy for you young folks he cannot be compared
@@beastyboy101bo Idk why no one realizes that no other qb playing rn has more than one ring except Brady. And everyone time a new qb wins one and tries to repeat Brady beats them and take the ring from them(Warner,Wilson,Mahomes)
@@beastyboy101bo yes he can hahaha brady is average
Brady threw most touches and yards when he was 45. And to be the GOAT you gotta beat the GOAT and Mahomes is 0-2 against Brady in the playoffs
Brady is still setting that bar so high
TD passes
Passing yards
Reg/playoff wins
The 10 Superbowls will never be touched
Mahomes will crush him in every stat except super bowl wins as long as he stays healthy
Another non story.. Brady was pick .199 and wasn’t even suppose to sniff a start in the NFL let alone win 7 SBs and crush all the Qb records.
He been in 10 superbowls
Not how you start. It's how you finish. Brady is GOAT. Mahomes has a shot
@@mangualc every young an in the league has a shot not just Mahommes
@@The_Bigot if a qb started today. So for his next 13 seasons. He has to win every playoff game to catch up to Brady’s wins just in playoffs. Good luck with that 😂
@@The_Bigot he has 35 playoff wins and second is joe Montana with 16. He doubled+ him. In football it’s so hard to win a playoff game. Brady’s stats and records are out of this world.
When Burrow accomplishes what Mahomes has (SB Ring, MVP) then he can be included in the conversation
Tb he not getting them no time soon buffalo bills here he not winning mvp
And IF Mahomes accomplishes what Brady has then he can be included in the conversation.
@@johnnyringo2690 😂 you can tell it emotionally bothers you
@@johnnyringo2690 exactly. Tf dude talking about. Mahomes isn't even close to brady.
Two broke MFs arguing about two men making millions playing a little kids game. Smh
"That's you, you left your door open" 🤣😂
My god, one great game and they are back on this track.
3:00 I loved Unc's laugh, lol. Sometimes I just can't with Skip!🤦♀️😂
Shout out to my fellow Kansan who also appreciates Unc👏🏽
@@CalobAdamsInfamous913
Hey there fellow Jayhawk!
Hank Aaron never had a 50 HR season. He did have eight 40 HR seasons though...
No matter what Tom does there will still be people saying things like, but he had this or that. They won’t say that about other qbs. It’s just the age we live in. All the guy wants to do is win. That’s all he’s ever cared about. He knows all it takes in a game is basically one or two great drives and he’s the best at that.
He got haters for real you know what that means tom Brady is the greatest Living American no cap he's first athlete that all media outlets and even former nfl players pray on his downfall but he rise like yeast and shut all the haters up time and time again he's the greatest
@@jimmycharlotin7050 off your knees bruh my goodness
@@jimmycharlotin7050 he is just a dude.
@@theredrooster7143 he's not just a dude he's greatest nfl player ever
@@jimmycharlotin7050 everyone is just a dude. He’s just a dude that’s really really good at something. All respect.
Brady closed the door by his most assassin move ever in negotiating the Fox deal.
Anyone who could catch him in one or two categories if they play another 10 years will take the broadcasting deal at age 35.
u realize tons of qbs r better then brady? lol
OK ... this is an example of overthinking:
A lotta people dont' care to be broadcasters -
Did Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant or Brett Favre ever try to be on Fox or CBS or do an NBA or NFL Show?
No.
So to act like Brady is 'being an assassin" ... lol YOu're giving him credit for things he probably has not worried about.
Not every one talks like Tom (Translation: White guy). not everyone is going to get a TV contract like Tom (Mahomes definitely does not talk like a white guy.... and the money isn't the same for people who don't talk like the "norm" or standard.
That shows in the stats for salaries.
@@MattnCam0408 Until someone else holds all the records. They just playing in his ever growing shadow.
@@coldbluewater9025 hahaha u realize if not for being 45, he wouldn't be top 5 in stats haha
Greatness is about playing big in big situations, not just about stats. Mahomes plays big when it matters. He doesn't always win, but he always plays big - and unlike the other young QBs mentioned he's actually won the big game. It's unfair to compare him to Brady right now. Compare the two when their careers are both finished.
Agree. I think Mahomes has the best chance to surpass Brady out of the current crop of QBs, but the odds are still heavily stacked against him. Brady has done a great job taking care of his body, but he has also been lucky to last this long. This is the case with anyone who can play this long in their sport.
Mahomes choked in the both Super Bowls he played.
He actually is the worst performing Qb in the super bowl of all time that’s crazy.
In his first super bowl he got carried by the refs.
And the second was just embarrassing.
@@lukaspanzer2120 lol how about the third one?
Skip: “I’ve been hearing a lot of joe burrow buzz”
Shannon: “no no that’s You!”
I love Mahomes and I root for him but damn! It’s gonna be tough enough to pass Joe Montana. Let’s just enjoy this young man’s career for now, can we? And then do the comparisons later on. Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes. He doesn’t need to be anyone else.
FACTS!!!!
Well said my brother!!!
How can any body forget about Terry Bradshaw who was the first Quarter back to win 4 super bowls and Joe Montana
Respect to Terry
Skip said that Montana was the GOAT until Brady won his 5th Superbowl. Back then, I still thought Montana was the GOAT.
This is a conversation we should have when and if he wins his 4th super bowl
I swear Skip only talk about the other team when he don’t got shot too really say
Peyton outplayed Brady once in the 2013-14 AFC championship game. Brady player better in 03-04, 06-07 and 15-16 Conference Title games
Pretty lackluster in half of those actually. Manning is 3-2 in the playoffs vs. Brady.
Colts had to switch divisions had to be put into the expansion division just to get to the playoffs. Don’t forget that. Peyton held the record for rookie Ints for a long time. Peyton sexually assaulted a girl in college.
Nobody ever talks about any of that.
He also sucked in both super bowl victories.
Oh and Peyton failed to win a playoff game with the same broncos team that was already a winning playoff team when lead by Tim Tebow only a season prior.
Overrated and under scrutinized.
@@The_Bigot Colts went 3-13 before manning, 13-3 in his second year, had a couple solid seasons, then went at least 12-4 seven straight seasons. He was in a terrible situation so of course he threw the most interceptions. If we're trying to cast doubt on character, Brady has played horribly in multiple super bowls, does business with a snake oil salesman who tried to disguise himself as a doctor so he could steal money from cancer patients. Brady is a proven cheater, took a $960K government loan to buy a yacht two years ago, likes to kiss children, has most likely paid the officials at least once, and does all sorts of shady business off the field! What a hero!
@@The_Bigot A team that went 8-8. Had an MVP level season with a mediocre team and went 12-4 (yes, the receivers were good I know) but a team doesn't magically go from average to dominant without someone truly great at the helm. Also, RAHIM MOORE?!
Patrick: "Every time you try to forget who I am, I'll be right there to remind you again"
But yet Burrow had 4 turnovers last weekend but we don’t talk about that 😂
He's a beast but he's overrated he's not as good as mahommes nor is burrow or Allen but the media forces them in the conversation with mahommes and it's disrespectful
What was Mahomes stat line against Brady in the Superbowl?
Burrow is just an all around better QB than Mahomes. 15 years from now Burrow will still be playing the same, Mahomes athletic abilities will of been erased.
@@OC.TINYYY He is not an all around better qb though. He doesn't have a better arm nor the athletic capability of mahomes. If you give Mahomes an O-line you see what he can do.
@@OC.TINYYY Burrow has played perfect for about 2 months. Just calm down a bit in 5 years im willing to bet that 2021 playoff run was just a fluke.
@@OC.TINYYY you mean mahomes stat line against the bucs defense with no oline and receivers dropping everything. You clearly didn’t watch the game lol
Shannon is too funny...Skip is a trip lol I just love these guys 😆😆
How has coach Belichick done since Tom has left?
Belichick already has 8 rings. He doesn't need to do anything. Bill Walsh did NOTHING in the NFL without Montana. Pete Carroll did NOTHING without Russell Wilson. So why single out Belichick???
@@abc_12333 Because it was his ego that let him go. Single worst move ever!
@@alexanderb4165 The Pats got eliminated in the 1st round in Brady's final year on that team.
@@abc_12333 o the team that was the 1 seed at 12-4 before the “greatest” coach could not make one defensive stop against Fitzpatrick 😂😂😂😂 Yup that same team🤫 Then again coach couldn’t make a single stop against Foles when Brady threw for a record 505 yards….. IN THE SUPER BOWL!!!! You trippin 🤡🤡🤡 Us real one’s know. It’sTommy forever ♾ 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
@@alexanderb4165 The same defense that carried Brady in his first 3 Superbowl wins and the 1st Superbowl playoff run where Brady ONLY got 3 offensive TDs? That defense? Yeah that's Belichick's defense. It was Tannehill NOT Fitzpatrick. Brady threw at pick 6 at the end of that game 🙂
The fact that Pat has to deal with his wife and brother makes him the 🐐
No pat picked her and she is a loser
he could dump them both
How can you have a "successor" to the GOAT? It stands for Greatest of ALL TIME. You can't have a succession of GOATs. Can' they say something like "the dominant quarterback of his time"?
That doesn’t sound very good though DQOHT?
I love watching Burrow but skip gonna make me start to dislike him. He's great and what he did last year was amazing to watch but he ain't close to Brady or Mahomes yet.
*PATRICK TOILETSNIFFERHOMES IS THE WORST QB IN THE ENTIRE NFL AND SHOULD BE 0-1 RIGHT NOW AND WILL LOSE TO THE CHARGERS AND FINISH 1-16 THIS YEAR. ALSO HE LOST THE SUPER BOWL 31-9 TO TOM BRADY*
He is. And they including his perfect LSU season. Burrow ain't nothing nice. And he's better than mahommes.
Brady is a legend walking among men.
To put it into perspective Tom had 3 Rings by the age of 28 Mahomes is what 27 rn so he’s not on track to catch him
Amen
How is he not on track to catch him? He wins his 2nd ring this year at 27. Then next year he wins his 3rd at 28. Easy.
@@dillanhawkins5430 That would mean Mahomes would win 2 more Super Bowls. Mahomes ain't that guy. He needs help from the refs. He is not Tom Brady.
@@millenniummind1481 Don’t be that way. He definitely has the potential to be that guy. He doesn’t need help from the referees. When has that ever been a thing? Now you’re just being silly. If anything Tom Brady has needed their help countless times. Lest we not forget Spy Gate and Deflate Gate…
@@dillanhawkins5430 Those rumors are fake. He blew out the Colts after everyone said he deflated the football. Any other theories are conspiracies to why Tom Brady keeps winning.
I always love how Skip goes Brady can easily be 9-1 in Super Bowls. That’s true but he can also easily be 1-9 in the big game.
Would’ve, could’ve, should’ve. He’s 7-3 which is fantastic. Just stop it there.
Your statement is nough said👏
Exactly! Brady is the goat no question about it, but at the same time he’s arguably one of the most overrated players in all of sports, skip also talking about mahomes saying he has the perfect situation like he gonna forget Brady had a top 5 defense every year he won a super bowl to go along with the tuck rule, 28-3, and goal line interception
@@ballsballsballs3617 how can Brady be the GOAT but at the same time be overrated? That makes no sense.
@@ballsballsballs3617 How can one be the GOAT and overrated at the same time?
Top defense argument doesn’t work once you’ve realized a lot of the greats also had top defenses during their career…they just couldn’t capitalize it as often as Brady. Just look up when Montana, Manning, and Rodgers won, they all had top defense.
I’m sure your football knowledge is far better then that of his peers who consistently vote him the best or near the top every year.
@@davidwight5544 because while it’s true that he’s undeniably great, he’s also had more team support and UNBELIEVABLE luck then any other big QB ever, and that’s an objective fact
I’ve NEVER seen Mahomes throw a pass behind his back, or between his legs as Skippy keeps saying!! Patrick does throw no-look passes, and left-handed passes. Nothing else out of the ordinary! And I’ve only seen 1 lefty pass. But Skippy is so much in ❤ with Tom Brady that he’ll NEVER give any other QB the Praise he saves for his ❤ LoverBoy Tom!!
It's gotten to the point where I don't even root for any team or player, I just root against anything skip wants.
Sounds like you watch this show too much haha
It sucks cause Mahomes could easily have 3 Super Bowls already. And two of them could have been against the Rams! Just like how Brady won his first against them. His defense really let him down in the 2018 loss but for this most recent loss he definitely deserves a lot of the blame.
Mahomes could potentially have the greatest #’s of all time but no one will care cos no one will catch Brady in rings
EVER.
So 7 rings is unreachable?..........
If you combine greatest numbers of all time with maybe 4-5 rings then Mahomes could could have a good argument. But even that’s extremely difficult
@@Morbian13 no. Mahomes getting 7 rings is unreachable. He's not a true pocket passer and he'll need that later, plus Herbert and Allen are coming on STRONG
Brady is like bill russel… and Patrick will be like MJ when it’s all said and done
The GOAT conversation I swear Tom Brady is the most Accomplished QB in history but no matter what he does he will always have an Interception and a loss in the Super Bowl when Joe Montana never threw a interception in a Super Bowl or lost in one.
When any QB gets 5 + SB and records then we can have a conversation. Until then, Brady is the GOAT. Brady has 3 HOF careers: first 7 years, second 7 years and third 7 years. Just no comparison.
Bro yall never talk about the chargers even tho they play today smh.
They did talk about them during the matchup for tonight. Other than that, nothing.
I thinks it's the Mahommes v Allen era, they're top of the game
I'm just enjoying the show we are lucky to see this generation of quarterbacks
Shannon rattles off stuff not on paper in front of him and Skip can't answer without prepared info 🤣
Shannon has severe dislexia. Can barely understand him most of the time.
I just wanna see Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Allen play for the next 15 years.
well they will. unless they get banged up.
You forgot Lamar Jackson mate
@@reneflores8732 you're 💯 % right bro. This league will be 🔥 for the next decade for sure
And Deshaun Cosby.
I know he’s got libido issues but talent wise he’s legit.
@@Terror832 He was real legit in the playoffs against Mahomes when he was up 24-0, right?
i find it interesting how its always qb vs qb like they see each other on the field. the better evaluation should be how well did they play against the shared teams they played against
Such a good point, but I’m sure they also are impacted by watching the other quarterback sharing the same field.
@?? i dont recall even mentioning brady v specifically. i was talking a general case when people say two comparable qbs out played one another on the field which is not neccesarily the case. in basketball it is very cut and dry for the most part the two players are on the court simultaneously impacting the game. but lamar jackson isnt trying to sack joe burrow. obviously a qb could have a bad game where they are careless with the football and/or inaccurate. but its an offense vs defense game, a bad defense can make a mediocre qb look like hes the best in the league. hence i think although mahomes had a great game vs teh cardinals that was more arizona being inept, had he done that against the bills it would have been more impressive.
@?? are we really talking overall numbers for a qb that has played 23 years, flip montana and brady in terms of era and he would most assuredly have comparable numbers. brady is easily the most accomplished qb now and probable in the future but numbers is not the metric that i would go by. originally i was making a qb v qb point but since we are talking about brady yes he has been great but similarly very lucky .
yes lucky, he had the benefit of playing 18 years in the weakest division in football where the other 3 teams have had combined 20+ different starting qbs in his tenure at NE almost guranteeing him a bye. the years in which he did not have a bye i recall he only made it to the superbowl once. he then leaves not only a division that finally got a good if not great qb in josh allen (but also a conference that got stacked a qb) to go to a weaker conference and a division that ultimately lost drew brees and has two other teams in rebuild mode.
They actually gonna have to beat Elway Marino and Montanna before they worry about Passing Brady
Mahomes already passed Elway and Marino in terms of accolades. He has to pass Montana, Manning, Starr, Graham, and Staubach before he gets to be considered among Brady.
Even when Skip gives Mahomes a compliment, it still sounds like an insult.
If Mahomes can win
- 6 more rings
- 4 more SB MVPs
- 2 more MVPs
- 1 more OPOY
- 2 more 1st Team AP
- 2 more 2nd team AP
- lead league in yards 4 more times
- lead league in TDs 4 more times
Then he has matched Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr.
But no shame if you don’t match it.
He can only get 3 rings and he’ll be better
@@TheKing-im6uu 🤣🤣🤣🤣 LOL he needs more than that buddy, and he WON'T get it. He'll be fortunate to get more than 2. You people think it's easy to go to 10 Super Bowls and win 7? Lol it simply isn't doable.
@@israelp348 it isn't doable but it's been done before which means it can be done again
@@israelp348 Tom was absolute trash his first two Super Bowls and won two more because the defense and had to cheat in two more 😂
@@TheKing-im6uu trash and he led game winning drives in the first 2 and also won MVP trash. Remember against the niners mahomes was garbage for 3 quarters but he was playing against jimmy G
Injuries will be the obstacle. Brady may not have the iron man record but, outside of 2008, he's started and ended every game in his career. Mahomes is always hobbling at the end of every year. I think the only year he wasn't nursing an injury, he won his Super Bowl.
Excellent point.
That's not true he actually had a knee injury the year he won the Super Bowl
He won’t ever surpass Brady. Brady played for one of the most stubborn head coaches ever and had to make the ingredients around him better. Couldn’t throw the ball deep like Rodgers and Mahomes because he didn’t always have those deep threat weapons for most of his years in New England. Randy Moss for only two full seasons and Gronk who would usually miss games. Guarantee no other quarterbacks would win Super Bowls with guys like Edelman, amendola, and chris hogan on their offense because their playing style will never allow them to truly elevate these type of receivers on every game day. Rest my case. Mahomes might have a case for number 2 greatest of all time when his career is said and done.
You give mahomes moss gronk edlemen amendola etc he’s winning multiple Super Bowls lol especially with those legendary bill bellicheck defenses mahomes took two sub par defenses to bowls and won one
Bill is just as responsible as Tom is stop
@@yusufbey1587 Dude, just stop... You're embarrassing yourself.
@@stopcampin4097 Bill was 5-13 in New England before Brady took over. What's Bill's record without Brady during his entire coaching career?
@@JustinStrife bill won 2 Super Bowls without brady how many did brady win?
Athletically mahomes is eons ahead of Brady and is still a smart player. But he's just gotta do it over a 20 year career and get those Superbowls.
2:32 Hahaha he shut him right up, “na na thats you”
Brady is the undefined goat believing that it is far fetched that pat won’t catch him (wich I don’t think he will) is insane
Why are they having this conversation when Mahomes has only played four years? Let him have his career and then we can discuss this or stop comparing players to each other
So we can't talk discuss our views on the ceilings of young talents? If a 19 year old wins a US Open, we can't discuss if he could be greater than Roger Federer? Was it so wrong to discuss Messi at 22 of possibly becoming greater than Pele? Why is discussing players potential so bad?
@@poetgooner because your speaking on the unknown Instead let’s just enjoy their careers and once they have finished and retired then we can discuss a GOAT conversation not in four years because you don’t know what their careers will be
By that logic, you're destroying most of sports fandom. Talking about the unknown most of sports fandom. Should we not discuss who will win the NBA, the NFL, or the World Cup too? Just enjoy the tournaments! Who's going to win the MvP? Don't talk about it, just wait till someone win to talk. Talking about things that haven't happened is not just part of the fun, it's integral to sports fandom itself.
@@poetgooner I’m saying speaking on what we know instead of assuming what a player will do when we have no idea makes for an enjoyable and more educated discussion about sports. Having what if conversations are pointless because you can’t prove anything with them. Talking about the results in a results based world is what I find much more enjoyable.
Skipp has the dripps in the noise lol☔
The goat doesnt necessarily need be superman because it takes a team to win. The leader of a winning team is where its at.
Mahomes isn’t winning 6 or 7 Sb’s. Realistically I think he‘LL finish 3rd all time behind Brady and Montana.
As a lifelong KC fan, If he gives us 3 super bowls I'll be content
@@diamondback4522 That’s where I have him at. I think he’ll finish his career with 3 rings,4 Mvps.
Tom can read defense before the play. He's been there for years and knows almost every trick. Mahomes is good but not that good. Tom is playing 5d chess while Mahomes is playing 3d chess.
I don’t think skip really be watching the games 🤣🤣🤣
They forgot Donovan McNabb but Patrick Mahomes is something special
Mentioning McNabb doesn’t get anyone watching a show full of BS
Mahomes can never catch Brady mainly because Brady whopped him on 2 different teams in the playoffs and won 2 Superbowl on him as well
Eli manning beat him twice IN the Super Bowl so what is your point ?lol
@@royshadcurry5698 Mahomes overrated
@@royshadcurry5698 ok and your point Eli ended with 15 years in his back pocket which is good but got ran out of town. we are talking about 2 very different things and to just throw Eli out there like he was something special to compare to Brady and Mahomes is telling you don't know that much
@@royshadcurry5698 I would comment but I can already you wouldn't get it
So a QB best a QB? Didn’t know that.
Here we go again. 1st game of the season and Mahomes is back on the GOAT conversation. What a joke🙄 There is only one GOAT and it's Brady. Stop this.
I don't hear anyone saying Pat is the GOAT but more can he beat Brady's records?
@@ellissmith2909 He could. We will see
no body can ever or will ever beat brady’s greatness. there are more talented people sure. no one is a better leader and no one is a better winner and no one ever will be
Brady is in Jordans and Ali's class it's nice to have pie in the sky theories but these 3 are untouchable
No, there is no "heir". Pat Mahomes in 2 Superbowls: 2 TDs 4 INTs.. He wont reach the same resume as brady but people will undoubtedly lower the bar for him
I love Patrick Mahomes and I wish as a giants fan we had him as our qb but we don’t…but I agree with Shannon I have always said since his first season as a starter that he’s gonna be so special and prolly be close to being the best qb OAT. I still think btw.
It’s a stretch for him to be better than Brady if all time but if he plays for 20+ seasons I think he has a shot*
Trevor Lawrence will be better
Mahommes will suffer an injury that will ultimately ruin his career.
Why don’t we talk about the game mahomes is playing tonight rather than comparing him to tom brady for no reason at all
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, are all over Mahomes now. All they gotta do is win a Super Bowl and keep their key receivers.
Why are you including Justin Herbert who has never made in the playoffs and NOT Lamar??? Gee I wonder......
I have always scratched my head when the talking heads say "QBa out dueled QBb". The two QBs are ALWAYS facing two different defenses. Why Skip and others fail to grasp such a simple concept is beyond me. No one says "Trent Dilfer out dueled Kerry Collins in the 2000 SuperBowl." But if it's anything less than a LEGENDARY defense, (ie, the 2000 Ravens), the QBs get the credit or blame.
FINALLY!!!! THIS
Mahomes won’t make it 16yrs, he’s a lot more physical when he plays then Brady ever was. Mahomes only shot at being a QB in history books is beating the records he can in the amount of time he has.
But he's smart and can throw from the pocket your delusional bro. With time he won't be as physical but his pocket presence will improve.
He will adjust with age ofc he’s not going to be 30+ years old doing what he does now
@@narmabc its a different game when defenses know you cant run out the pocket for 50yds a game, or jump throw the ball 50yrds parallel to the ground. What makes him amazing is his ability to create pressure with his legs and his arm.
@@huffstudios4328 I just told you he pocket passer too not just a running qb! What are you talking about?
@@narmabc its a combination that makes him good not just 1 thing.
Did skip just forget how many passes mahomes receivers dropped in that super bowl?
Boy do i wish i could time travel 16yrs forward to see.
Also Tommy have already beaten him in a conference championship game in KC and a Super Bowl. What’s that worth? 😳💯🤔
2 interceptions and a 78.5 passer rating vs. Chiefs in 2018, an end zone interception and season-ending interception negated by Dee Ford.
Completed 5 throws over 5 yards, had 2/3 yards come after the catch and defense held mahomes to 9 points in the super bowl. Brady was the least pressured quarterback in sb history that game, Mahomes was the most pressured.
@@cornelius9466 😅😂🤣 WTF you talkin about!!!! Tell yourself whatever you need to. By the way didn’t Brady complete multiple fourth and longs in overtime to squash your boy at home in that conference game. Dude stop. If your boy has half the career Brady does it will be considered a great one no shame in that but please stop the silliness 😂😅🤣
QBs don't go head-to-head. They literally don't face each other in football. They play DIFFERENT defenses. Brady and Rodgers said this themselves before a game.
Let’s be real, nobody and I mean nobody is not Surpassing Tom Brady in any universe
Can you predict the future? Are you a seer?
The awkward pause after she says speaking of sacks 😂😂🥴
How come the vid's arent uploaded to 1080p? Wanna see sharpes beautiful smile even clearer
Skip is so bad at making points just nit picks instead of seeing the whole picture.
Win 7, then we'll talk.
Bill Russell won 11. Is he the GOAT? M Richard won 11 Stanley Cups. Is he the GOAT?
@@abc_12333 Difference is Brady IS the GOAT. Bill played in an era where there were only 10 teams and Richard only won 8 cups and played in an era where there were only 6 teams. Your whole argument is flawed at best.
@@tekanatoken Not really. I actually meant Henri Richard and he got 11 Stanley Cups. You are basing everything on rings. I'm telling you that that is not how it works. You have to factor in MANY other things. Otherwise Eli Manning is better than Dan Marino. Troy Aikman is better than Dan Marino according to your logic. So no. Mahomes does NOT have to get 7 rings to be in the GOAT conversation.
@@abc_12333 Mahomes is a generational talent, I'll give you that. He's a great QB with all the fundamentals, and he's fun to watch, but it's still way too early for the GOAT conversation.
@@tekanatoken Agreed
Shannon played his part for the TE position they all got his swag lo key
I'm surprised Drip hasn't leaped from his chair, attacking Shannon for blaspheming Brady every time his name is brought up.
I’m glad Shannon sticks ups for Pat 💪🏽💯
Brady is so far removed from anything realistically possible from anyone else that any comparison must be a joke.
Its not when pat MAHOMEBOY already better 🤷🏽♂️
4 straight AFC Championship games, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 1 Super Bowl championship, Super Bowl MVP, League MVP, First Team All-Pro, Second Team All-Pro and 4 Pro Bowls in his first 4 years as a starter? I’m a Bucs fan and a Brady fan too, but you’re out of your mind if you think that a Mahomes/Brady comparison is a joke. Mahomes WILL be better than Brady and there’s not even an argument to be had.
@@Imulletman12 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Imulletman12 Hahahhaha no win 7-8 we will talk
@@yaboisoe178 bro my grand mother better but he has 7 rings my grandmother doesn’t
All I know is I'd take mahomes 1st overall in a draft of all players in NFL history. And so would most of the GMs in the league.
Nah not even close. He’s very good but will never come close to Brady
It's been over. The only chance Mahomes had to catch him is if he won back to back by stopping Brady from getting 7 then the score is 2 to 6 with plenty of yrs for Mahomes to get close enough to 6 rings. That's a 6 ring gap now vs possibly 4 especially with the elevated talent at the QB position in the AFC. That gauntlet plus wear and tear each yr, I don't think Mahomes will get close enough in rings.
People never talk about how both of mahomes super bowl appearances were the worst of all time for a winning qb and losing qb. He’s probably gonna be the next Aaron rodgers. A great one ring wonder.
"Mahomes has a league MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 2 Super Bowl appearances, 4 AFC championship games, 4 pro bowls in 4 years and won 80% of his games"
Why you just quoting the whole video looking for likes
@@zachkim4 are you upset?
@@zachkim4 cause when you lay it out, that;s actually insane
Lmaooo that was funny
@@joyboy1720 he’s literally just quoting everything Shannon said in the video look through the comments
Skip
Is the definition of a hater. I’ve never seen a hater of this caliber
Rob Parker is right there with that
stop crying man
Don’t mention dak with all those other great qbs 😂
u left ur door open that was a fly buzzin around 😭
No. He'd be lucky if he's counted among Brees and Rodgers
Mahomes has ALREADY passed them by going to 2 Superbowls.
Brady 7 rings
Mahomes 1 ring….. the gap is too long
But 15 more years if he keeps winning
@@alwaysbam yeah yeah good luck to him ….
@@coachmaupin201 I think if he has incredible years and stats and wins like 4 more to get to 5. Ppl will at least debate it
@@alwaysbam probably….
Not impossible, but it will be very difficult. Mahomes needs to be able to stay healthy for another 15 years probably.
Skips defense of Brady is hilarious. Literally Mahomes only knock on his playoff resume is that dud in the 2nd half against the Bengals last year. Brady in his first 4 years had a top 10 defense in nfl history that could bail him out of anything. Put Brady behind that half depleted chiefs o line in the sb. Or how about his defense line up offsides and cost him a title game? Mahomes has had a lot less to work with than Brady at equal points in their careers
Mahomes imo is a tier ahead of all of the Qbs his age just cause hes already got a ring and a couple Sb appearances. Josh Allen is the closest to him but hasnt gotten to the Sb yet.
It's why it's they are Brady v Manning 2.0. It's why we will see them playing repeatedly in January. Sometime Burrow will breakthrough and sometimes Lamar Jackson will, and eventually so will Mac Jones but the AFC is going to be dominated by the Chiefs and Bills for the better part of the next decade.
I really love it when Skip is figthing for Brady! Brady is the GOAT and no one is even close to him. It is not only the plays he makes, but his iron will to fight and the ability to form a winning team. These are his superpowers! Greeting to both of you from Germany, you are a great team and I am really enjoying your show!
Shannon doesn’t truly feel like Mahomes can catch Brady it’s jus that he hopes one day he can say somebody other than Brady is the goat because he hates Brady so much.. that’s what it’s really about I mean let’s be real🤷♂️
I believe he think he can his potential is so absurdly high it’s kinda underestimating if you don’t think he can reach it
The road to the Superbowl in the AFC goes thru Mahomes.