Government criticised for ‘watered down’ Renting Reform Bill
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- The government's Renters Reform Bill has passed through the House of Commons and will now make its way to the House of Lords.
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Under the bill, landlords would only be able to evict tenants under certain circumstances, such as when they want to sell the property, or when they want to move in.
Labour say they will back the bill despite the government watering down some of the original planned protections for renters, including a pledge to abolish no-fault evictions.
But some Conservative MPs have expressed concerns about the bill's impact on landlords.
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82 MP's and ministers, mostly Tories, are private landlords and property developers. Mmm?
You are deluded if that’s your logic.
And there within lies the problem!
,There is no democracy anymore, just a fascist dictator's and deluded yesmen
@@tomjones8715 Sound logic to me!
@@tomjones8715 In what way deluded, or have you just learnt that big boy word?
They are all landlords. What would we expect.
Calling it no fault evictions is a marketing play.
What theycwsnt to do is to make it illegal to not renew a lease. Which is absurd. The whole point of the lease is that it defines how long you have the property for. And either side can leave when that term is up.
@@flakgun153 that doesn't work in a housing crisis. People can't find new places
@@gerryh7895 that's not going to change after you institute rent control either.
You really are deluded.
@@gerryh7895 It only gets worse with rent control.
Gove is a weasel.
He's probably a landlord!!
That’s a bit harsh on weasels.
You're too kind!
Gove needs to be ousted and stay that way.
In all my 59 years, I never, ever heard my late mother say she really, particularly disliked anyone ever…….except him, Gove the toad. She really couldn’t stand him. She also used to be a Tory for most of her life except for the last 15 or so. She would never have voted for them ever again, certainly not after their disgraceful performance during covid.
The first thing that we need to evict is this government...
Vote Reform U.K.! They’re the only party who will tackle inequalities like this .. Labour and the Tories are all too corrupt
😂 we been trying for centuries 😂 they keep coming back
and what will labour do
A clean slate, Both sides. Labour as just as bad if not worse. the only difference is they are a little more up front about it. Though that did not stop the war criminal tony blair.
@@mattnolan5527 Labour will do fine! The worst Labour government would be miles better than the best Tory government there ever be...
we need a new government
We need news 🆕 😂😂😂😂😂
And then what?
A new country too.
well since 2016, you are a Independent sovereign country that determents its own destiny with proper elected officials, make good use of it
@@bierfuerall Awww, bless!!
I'm a landlord and I would be happy to abolish no-fault evictions (section 21) as long as there is legislation to remove tenants that stop paying rent or cause anti-social behaviour to neighbours.
This is the problem, I think 99% of landlords would agree. But the courts can't cope now. Renters groups claim there are a million s21's a year, imagine a million extra evictions going through these courts 😮
'... as long as there is legislation to remove tenants that stop paying rent or cause anti-social behaviour ...'. As a landlord, you are woefully ignorant of the law. Section 8 of the Housing Act 1988 allows a landlord to serve notice to a tenant who is:
not paying rent;
behaving anti-socially; or
using the property for criminal activities.
There is absolutely no reason why section 21 should not be brought to an end.
@@eattherich9215 Section 8 is slower as you have to go through the courts which can take a year or more in some cases which can mean rent arrears pile up. Also doesn't cover scenarios such as wanting your property back to sell or move into. And tenants can game the system, they can pay enough rent to 'only' be 2 months behind then section 8 is thrown out. S21 is not no fault, there is always a valid reason.
Lol at your username, what a loser, bet you've never worked a day in your life or maybe you just lack the intellectual capacity to make anything more than minimum wage?
@@eattherich9215 Section 8 is slower as you have to go through the courts which can take a year or more in some cases which can mean rent arrears pile up. Also doesn't cover scenarios such as wanting your property back to sell or move into. And tenants can game the system, they can pay enough rent to 'only' be 2 months behind then section 8 is thrown out. S21 is not no fault, there is always a valid reason. Lol at your username, what a loser, bet you've never worked a day in your life or maybe you just lack the intellectual capacity to make anything more than minimum wage?
@@eattherich9215 Tenants can game the system, for example by paying some rent so they 'only' owe 2 months the S8 gets thrown out, which means another 6 months wait. And there is no provision in S8 for a landlord needing to sell or to move back into it. Also the courts are a joke, it can take a year to evict meaning rent arrears can be huge. Removal of s21 would mean an increase in rents to pay for these extra costs. Any extra costs for landlords get added to rents.
Personally I think there would be no problem in getting rid of s21 as long as there is a more efficient court system and non contestable grounds which don't need a court appearance.
Almost everything in UK is behind compared to other European countries, housing, airports, healthcare, roads, Law Enforcement, right down to the water pressure in the house.
Germany's law enforcement took down a coup, Belgium's healthcare ranks 3rd in the world, France has arguably the best water supply in the world, Italy has on average some of the longest living people in the world with a blue zone in their country. Norway's prison system is great too, meanwhile England still hires surgeons and GP's from Europe even though they left the EU. Their own government doesn't play by its own rules, Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock during the pandemic are prime examples. Their healthcare service is collapsing, their teachers and ambulance workers are striking too.
How far has the "5th richest country on Earth" fallen.
all part of the Tory agenda and they've got away with so much
I read some research that said the UK ranked as the 5th richest country in the world, but the average standard of living ranked only 14th in Europe (out of 50 countries).
U.K. is a poor country with a few very rich people. The thing that’s changed is the middle class is being sucked into the poor at an increasing scale. Once again the sick man of Europe.
It’s because of foreigners as per usual right? 😂
Fell right into a left pile of dog sh*t thats how much it fell
Given how many in the Houses of Commons and Lords are "Landlords", is it any wonder it's the landlords who're the only ones happy about any of this?
Disgraceful but expected. And let me tell you, I've experienced a section 21 eviction: it's traumatising.
Safe housing should be a basic right. Housing should not be an asset, to be hoarded by those who have the resources to buy them. There are plenty of homes. It's the same with everything, a few people have most of them. Half of them are holiday lets, and the rest are mortgaged to the hilt. It's deeply unethical. Until this changes, the UK can't get better.
ℹ again but it is mostly for suicidal bomb 💣 terror cells to used for money laundering purposes
The council sold our houses land spaces
this country is doomed at all levels
115 MP’s are landlords, often with multiple properties.
Says it all really.
Complete conflict of interest with their constituents.
In other words, I will be continuing to pay through the nose for a shabby run down apartment that has been in a state of disrepair for a good 3+ years. If I request these repairs get done I risk getting evicted. If I move out and rent out another flat, I will likely be paying even more money to roll the roulette wheel on whether the next landlord will be more reasonable, or (more likely) even more unhelpful. Like myself, most of my friends are in their late 30's now and in similar situation.
This is incredibly frustrating because this has set me back personally and professionally, and is making it more difficult to save towards getting on the property ladder myself.
I'm disappointed but not surprised at all, what else would you expect from this current government that have given us scandal after scandal for the past several years and only served themselves and their cronies?
Lol shabby and run down.. yet you stay. Who's fault is that? Was it shabby and run down before you moved in?
Landlord entered the chat I see. @@user-wj7cv9hb5j
@@user-wj7cv9hb5jWhat choices do you think people have?
So why not get a 99% mortgage and pay your own repairs on your own place?
@django3422 same as me. Keep renting, move out to another rental, buy a house, live with family or be homeless, li e in a car to get ypurself in a better position .... oh look same as every person on the planet.. what choices do you think you don't have 😂 I worked two full time jobs to get my money together and lived in vehicles to get ready to buy a place. Life isnt being a victim and everyt for free. Toughen up stop complaining and make your own life better buttercup.
So.. what's your excuse? Just wondering.. bet its a good one. No arms and legs and struggling to find work as a narrator I suppose.
Most tories are landlords, they look after themselves
Most mps. So what that means is they are able to understand what a great service they provide and make fair laws vs giving people 2 years notice 😂
Well nothing changes there then. They always look after themselves. They do not care!
I was evicted from my home of 11 years last month, so they can turn it into an air bnb. It was challenging being given only 2 months to find somewhere else. My furniture is still scattered in the stairwell of the new apartment building because the best place we could find (while it is a nice flat) is nearly half the size of the last one. I'm doing okay but the laws definitely need to at the bare least extend the notice period by a couple more months, but getting rid of no fault evictions would be a good idea. The previous laws didnt take into account the disruption of air bnb. Why not just convert a flat when its empty? Plus theres all the financial costs of moving and the time it takes
If no fault evictions are maintained in the new bill, they should add in a section to compel landlords to compensate the tenant for moving costs etc. (I'm not in favour of no-faults, just to be clear)
Why wait for a flat to be empty, when you can evict your tennant, turn it into an Airbnb, and start making your old monthly rent in a week
I am a landlord and have never evicted a tenant, for me it’s been the other way bad tenants, non payers and leaving the property as dump.
@@moyaqub410sell then. At least you will have the dignity of no longer being an economic parasite.
@@moyaqub410. Exactly, majority of landlords are not interested in evicting a good tenant who look after the property, pay their rent on time, so this no fault eviction is no big deal. But what we landlords want is a good fast court system that will allow us to get rid off bad tenants, the one don’t pay their rent, the nuisance tenants, the ones that damages our property. And make no mistake, there are some bad tenants out there.
What a lying, slimy and disingenuous apology of a human being. My rent has gone from £775 - £1100 in little over 18 months. Guess what I can do if I don’t like it.
Buy your own home to see how expensive recent rate rises would have been personally? Move to another rental? Pay the bill cos it is the cost of interest rates going up and not the landlord making loads of money? What did I miss?
And the mortgage on that property you are renting ? How much has that gone up ? Not interested are you …..
@@user-wj7cv9hb5jDon't you think people would buy their own homes if they could afford it? Seems like you're painfully missing the point.
If the mortgage doubled, why shouldn't the price you pay have some increase? Maybe savers should be told they can't have better rates for their hard work? This is a deliberate effort to reduce spending on the economy so that inflation comes down. Don't be surprised when it turns out to actually work
@django3422 you clearly are. Work more hours more jobs live in a vehicle sell stuff stop buying junk don't live in Central London move to the North where there are lots of cheaper houses. Oh yeah don't fit your wants does it. Toughe. Up work harder and stop complaining. I had to and my life is better for it. No wonder this country is collapsing with this lazy attitude today of people.
We demand that any newcomer to the country only gets the same amount for home rental as housing benefit allows original UK residents, this is criminal... It has to stop.
Tom paid his rent on time, was a good tenant and this is what he gets.
Start preparing homeless camps in Palace gardens & parks.
Their horses have better places to live than homeless.
section 21 Needs to be Amended,
IF a Tenant is paying his AGREED Rent On time,
Has not broken his Tenancy Rules, Then the Landlord should provide a good reason for Eviction.
IF a Tenant is NOT paying his AGREED Rent,
Has broken his Tenancy Rules,. Then the Courts should Evict the Rogue Tenant in Weeks not Months.
crazy!!! a tenant is just that a TENANT i should be able to have my home back WHENEVER I want. it could be simply to just move in myself, to move a family member in, to upgrade the house...and i don't and shouldn't have to give you any notice beyond 30 days....
now for me i have a 90 day notice in place but to say that someone should have 2 years is insane!
@@InternationalKarl ah yes, you should just be allowed to make people homeless and reliant on the state for your safe investment. /s
landlords are parasites
Because I want my house back. My property. It is a renewable tenancy agreement if I choose. It was never permanent.
@simplesimon5739 it's an investment right?
Well investments carry risk, tough.
@@InternationalKarl If you don't want other people living in homes you own, perhaps stop owning so many houses
Outsourcing social housing to the private sector is a hallmark of Western politics.
Gove and his usual disingenuousness. Get the Bill to say the right thing in the first place so that the Lords aren't forced to table lots of amendments, not put a watered-down Bill through then blame the Lords for making lots of amendments.
They could make no-fault evictions more like redundancies where you get more notice the longer you've been there
Even if they wanted to build more houses they wouldn't be able to build enough.
If they wanted to build more houses them their properties they own would lose value and their rent they collect from being landlords would be in decline as long as theirs a shortage they will make record profits and keep making more the worse they can make the problem
If you built half a million houses a day it would not be enough just for the migrants arriving every year
@@user-dq6nj1zv9hdon't you meen illegal immigrants
They should but it would take a strong leader to make it happen.
The majority of Tories are landlords.. They didn't want to put this bill forward
We had a no fault law here in New Zealand. The new National led (right wing) government coalition are repealing it. Most of them are landlords so 🤔
The landlord party voting against their own pockets don't be daft 😂
Sunak on Tuesday "I have set aside court time and 150 judges to send people to Rwanda which we never mentioned in our Manifesto "
Tory Party on Wednesday "We are delaying renters rights (a manifesto promise) indefinitely until we have reviewed whether we have court time to process this"
As ever culture wars and the rights of our landlords on the back benchers over doing ANYTHING AT ALL for the people of the UK.
Let me make this clear: as a renter who works locally, has very elderly parents nearby and full-time work, 2 months is just not enough time to move out. No one is saying landlords cannot have the property back; however, with current price increases and logistics, people are being made homeless, and this is happening to me. I have paid off a landlord's mortgage, and I would need more time to find the right place. I feel that this is reasonable. I would say if you're going to rent out a property, then ask for it back, don't rent it out. It should be a long-term investment.
This happened to me and my family with two private landlords in succession.
Terrible, hope you got sorted without too much trouble to you & your family, Best Wishes.
@@GRIZZLEYSTEVE Thankyou I appreciate your kind wishes. It had a devastating effect being displaced like that and we didn't get the support that I see many immigrants getting. Far from it but we're alive and well and safely housed and who isn't always grateful for that 🙏
A miserable situation to be in. It is bad enough for adults, but for children the insecurity and disruption can be deeply harmful. I hope you have found somewhere to call home. ❤
The housing market is not meeting the needs of so many people now that there needs to be government intervention. I am usually libertarian about what people do with their own money, but allowing mortgages for second properties and encouraging people to become private landlords and then to become pseudo-hoteliers has been a disaster for society. There is not and can never be an infinite supply of housing, and the people at the starter end of the market are now competing with buyers who can always outbid them.
I wasn’t against the sale of council houses in principle, but again it should have been regulated by restrictive covenant so that any letting had to be to someone from the waiting list with the rent capped at the council level, and when sold had to be offered back to the council at average market price. It was supposed to have been a means for long-term tenants to secure their lifelong home instead of being perpetual renters. There was no justification for allowing it to become a means of enrichment for the few who originally qualified for it on the basis of need.
@@Rhiannon-wv9dk Thankyou and that's very well put ❤️
I agree and it's been a problem for too long in Britain. It's not exactly something that can be swept under the rug. Excuse the pun but if you didn't laugh you would cry.
They are protecting themselves and shows they will do anything to protect their own interest, same with Steve Barclay and the incinerator that was being built in his constituency but has been delayed.
-Rejected for a job you're qualified for. Ask why? - "I don't have to give you a reason".
-Rejected for or told to leave a property you wish to rent or are renting. Ask why? - "I don't have to give you a reason".
-Life in the UK so heavily favors a minority. Ask why? - "I don't have to give you a reason".
Did you hear that CEO nearly say "there is no such thing as no fault"?? 6:55
It’s their fault for being poor. Maybe if they spent less money on luxuries like rent they would have their own house.
That's correct. No landlord ever woke up and randomly thought "I should just evict my tenant today with absolutely no reason"
There is always a reason. Section 21 is usually quicker than the courts which are incredibly slow and can take up to a year to process. So people use the section 21 process because it is quicker and less troublesome
@@marcus.H Lol, no one is saying landlords can't give a reason (or an excuse). What renters want is a valid reason and that renters can't just be evicted whenever. Renters are on tight schedules too, with work, parenting, medical necessities, and all others.
@@XC-Z-cv8qw i understand that. Landlords could easily give a reason. A section 21 is never done for no reason. As I say, people want to avoid using the courts and s21 allows that. The courts are expensive and slow
@@marcus.H That's not a good reason to have an overpowered ability to kick renters whenever. That just means a simpler system for resolving landlord-tenant issues is needed. Not a blank check for eviction.
Of course they did they're tories
that is absolute b#$%^$%&$^@$%^s......kicked out of your home for no reason and the government is unable to do anything about it.
It isn't your home it's a rental. Hire a car for the weekend and complain when you have to take it back? 😂 jeeez. Don't like renting then buy it is that simple, they provide people a service.
Able.... but unwilling
Not your home
Landlord doesn't need to provide a reason. It's not your house. They can sell up whenever they want.
Exactly all these people commenting as if they know the landlords circumstances
@@mandeeplalli4653: Get real. Do you think those gouging landlords are going to admit that they can charge 20% more rent with you gone?
Get real. Again it’s their house they can do whatever they want ie put price up 20%.
If you don’t allow that it’s going to be less landlords means less houses. Means price of rent goes up.
Why shouldn't the rental sector have regulation, risk and contractual ties like every other industry?
Rental agreements should be like any other business agreement and come with contractual ties.
If my employer decides to pull out half way through a contract because it turns out it's not as profitable as expected, he would be sued for breach of contract and liquidated damages. What makes landlords special?
No they don't but that's what this is about
That's still a thing in England!?!
In some cases, the UK is such a 3rd world country! I have a flat, I can only be thrown out if I have done anything badly wrong, furthermore I have lived here over 10 years, so I won't get any rent rise any more. Denmark BTW.
Why not get a 99% mortgage? No more rent and you can't lose your place if you're playing on time
@@marcus.H I can't lose my rent now, so no difference. I am 63, I don't want to owe anybody anything. I paid my last mortgage 15 years ago and believe me, it is a nice feeling to be free of debt.
@@Gert-DK yep. In reality the UK benefits system will pay you housing benefit if you don't own a home. But if you have a mortgage, the government won't pay you anything. So you lose benefits AND you have a debt to the bank which costs a lot of interest every month. A double loss for those who own their own house. A double win for those who don't own
This is disgusting. There should be a section of the legislation to safeguard individuals and families and it should be a legal obligation for the landlord to pay for a specific type of accommodation on behalf of the individuals/family if they intend to evict people under this. Last I checked a right to adequate housing was part of a persons basic human right. Then tighten up the definition of 'adequate', because you know these greedy pigs would force people into a wood worm delapidated shack in the middle of nowhere if they could.
Never mind improving standards over Private Landlords (important though that is) they can't even enforce improved standards with builders building modern homes!! How many have found in their brand new 'dream' home gaps between window frames and walls? Insufficient insulation, warped internal doors, crumbly pointing in the brickwork of their house, etc etc, etc. The list of defects is endless. They need to apply some joined up thinking in both respects, for home owners and home renters.
The problem with building standards is that Building Regulations got privatised and builders self regulate!
Waiting until they can asses the court system is adequet.....yet we can put aside what 100's of judges and tens of thousands of court hours to deal with rishi sunaks rwanda stunt...
And the cutting of legal aid a decade ago, which has caused so much extra stress to the justice system as people are forced to represent themselves. A warning which was given to the government at the time.
@@assses-3216 yeah, but it removes agency and leverage for the poor making them trivial to crush by rich folk, so this is a success for the Tories. As always access to justice and using the legal system as a weapon is based on who's got more money and nothing else
The tories need to go simple as that.
Just because there doesn't have to be a reason doesn't mean there isn't one. A landlord won't want to remove a good tenant, it's too risky getting a bad one. It's likely they mostly need to sell or move back in, or remove a bad tenant. If we want people to have more security then we need state controlled social housing.
I was served a section 21 right after the breakdown of a seven year relationship and at the time I was abroad for the funeral of a close family member (landlords were aware of this). That gave me 3 weeks to find a new place to live by the time I returned. I'd never missed a rent payment and left that property in a better state than I found it. Turns out the landlords were in financial trouble, had sold the property at auction as untenanted (unlawfully) and wanted to get rid of me quickly. I was in such a dark place and the landlords were so aggressive (harassing me over the phone, threatening to change locks etc.) trying to get me out so I did not seek legal advice - I just wanted out. Ended up moving into an overpriced London houseshare just to maintain my sanity. The way renters are treated in this country is inhumane.
Reform required: ban no fault eviction in first two years of the tenancy. Give a 90 day notice period from second year onwards. Cap rent increases to 15% per year. Dubai has this system in place and it works pretty well.
How about capping rent increases to wage growth? It's the actually relevant factor to whether renters are paying more or less of their total income than their historic peers.
Rental contract is like any other contract. If you hire a car for certain length of time you give it back after the contract. If you have a work contract it’s the same.
Just like the contract on your years of life. Tick tock tick tock
That’s not fair. Landlords are out of control.
Tenants like this guy are put of control 😂
Tenants are worse
@@user-dq6nj1zv9hdon't be a landlord then
about 85% of landlords are the local councils & housing authorities, why are they not being campaigned to up their standard and provide more housing?
Had one landlord who moved my belongings in his storage and threatened violence when I went to retrieve it. Basically he was trying to rob me. One landlord changed his mind about renting his property and moved back in to the house after a few weeks without discussion regardless that I rented from him. I have endless stories
3 no fault evictions in 4yrs.
Each time due to reporting things that needed repairing.
What we need is real social housing, council housing to be precise.
Despite what Tories would have private house holders believe, it won't effect the housing market, simply because those who need housing are not in the market to buy in the first place.
All of UK MP’s, their family members and friends are property developers/multiple property landlords
You think social housing/council properties will get built, rents will go down or laws protecting renters will advance?
If you do you are fool
For all those saying property owners should always have more rights to a property than a tenant, most sensible people don't dispute that. For those saying just buy your own home, the UK economy isn't strong enough nor does it offer the majority of people the sustained income necessary to generate a deposit or pay for ownership with property prices being so excessively high. The property owners among you might say that's not our problem, well it is your problem when the issue affects a majority of the population. Majorities elect governments, and governments have the power to change the law and impose property taxes, like those on additional homes. The current additional Council Tax liability on vacant homes is an example.
If you wish to own multiple assets of finite quantity (Like Real Estate on an Island) don't expect that ownership to be without costs or limitations. This isn't a game of "I found it first, so I'm keeping it on my own terms". People can't pay taxes if they live on the pavement, so a fair and reasonable property market for both property owners and non-property owners is in everyone's interest.
Once again, more lies in one sentence than there are words.
Why would they remove this landlord right, when all the politicians are in the business themselves
This government is so biased and unfair . Those people have too many privileges.
They will make it harder for individual people to rent out a refurbished home and make it easier for corporations to outbid on ready homes, that's all you can expect from Tory/Labour rent reform.
In Australia, you can get evicted for not aligning with spiritual beliefs of the landlord. Maybe the gentleman is not handsome enough
Edited. Germany is alright
Rubbish, completely false, Germany has very strict eviction laws.
@@ridethelakes whoops Australia my bad good for Germany
lollollol, 'compromise from both side', 'give and take from both side', what is he talking about, what else is there for renters to give?
You can't expect landlord MP's to do anything to help renters. Their wealth will always come first.
Im so ready for a new government
Its more boring than brexit at this point.
More restrictions on landlords will mean fewer rental properties and higher rents.
To the tenant of the west London flat of 6 years - There is always a reason - most likely Sec 24 and increasing mortgage rates…….Sec8 process is not viable due to lengthy legal process….
The solution to the issue is BUILD MORE HOMES
Am I missing something? Surely if the landlord owns a house and wants it back they should be able to do so? What happens if they want to sell or move into it themselves?
Then they should of lived in it from the start and not used it as a passive income. If you own your home, you don't. The king does. He can walk in and take it whenever he wants. If he gave you a measly two months to move you're entire live in a rental crisis how would 6ou feel? You wouldn't be making stupid comments like this that's for sure
Is anyone really surprised? I saw the interview with the head of the landlords association last night. He started the interview by saying one thing about no fault evictions, then when later pressed on the subject, said the complete opposite, contradicting himself as if he'd never said what he'd previously declared. He did it with a straight face. I'm surprised the interviewer didn't pick up on it. Although the focus had moved on a little, though on the same topic and he was responding to the other person being interviewed on a different aspect. Rather than being questioned directly. I was astounded and thinking, hold on, that's the exact opposite of what you said at the start. Are you stupid, or do you think we are?
Never trust a politician 😂😂😂
Im just waiting for the local councils to start using section 21 to move people out of council housing to put illegal immigrants in.
If you don't want to be evicted, pay 12 months rent upfront.
Far too many Conservative MP's are also Landlords ..... The house of Lords has nothing to do with it ...
Simply get a mortgage. Literally, live like you're homeless or live with family and save every possible penny. Good luck.
In the US some states with no fault eviction simply wait till the contract expires and then evict anyway..by not renewing.
As a landlord with 3 flats - 1 i inherited from my dad an lived in as a child, 1 my mum and i moved into when she and my dad divorced and 1 owned before my wife and i bought a house i can say - in 7 years i have NEVER evicted a tenant on a no fault EVER.
I have NEVER increased rent on a sitting tenant and i've had tenants in 1 flat for 3 years.
IMO the only 2 reasons a no fault eviction should be allowed is on these grounds (as it is in Scotland) -
1. The landlord is wanting or needing to sell the property
2. The landlord has suffered hardship (say a divorce) and is intending to move into the property and use it as their main residence.
In those cases IMO a notice period of no less than 90 days should be in effect.
By the way in Scotland the laws are different, there's no such thing as a section 21 eviction (no fault) the landlord must give a valid reason in writing to a tribunal, effectively for the 2 reasons listed above plus antisocial behaviour OR if the tenant is in arrears for 6 months or more.
As far an tenancy notice is concerned - there is no minimum tenancy in Scotland, it used to be 6 months to 1yr, now a tenant can be in a property for 1 month and give 1 month notice. However a landlord must give between 30 days and 84 days notice for eviction depending on how long the tenant has been there for.
Section 21 is just the less bureaucratic method. It doesn't mean there isn't any fault. It's just not in anyone's interest to evidence fault and go through a more legally complex eviction route. As you note selling the property or needing to move back in are probably the main reasons to use no fault, but often it will be because the tenant is not paying rent or damaging the place. I doubt a landlord would risk removing a good tenant without a good reason. The void and risk of getting a bad tenant make it risky.
No landlord will remove tenant for no reason . There is always some reason
There should be protections for renters, so they can leave properties with enough time to find somewhere else. Ultimately, you don't have the right to live at a property you don't own.
Many Tory MPs are landlords, so there is no wonder this bill has been diluted.
Remember, they already voted against requiring landlords b make propertirs fit for habitation.
Disgusting.
There's over 3 million landlords in the UK. That's not a fair situation for first time buyers. I own my own home and I want other's to have the same opportunity. I'll make my feelings known at the ballot box.
What is it with this government?
Every single issue they touch seems to go horribly wrong!
the 1985 Act was designed around individual often young renters, rarely couples and generally not families. Two months NTQ is far too short especially for families and must be extended. Even commercial tenants enjoy a minimum of 6 months notice to quit and no fault evictions not permitted. Its worked well enough since 1954.
If you do not put a ban on no fault evictions in the bill, then it is your fault, not anything to do with the House of Lords Mr Gove!.
And why would the courts not be ready to back up the law?
Think you should also start looking at capping rents
What Tory manifesto has been delivered? You vote Torie- you vote for more of the same. Lets get them gone asap.
Check who the Tory donors are
Housing, clean water, healthy food, education, medical care and such are all basic requirements to live. One can simply not do without. So it should be available to all. Not for free, we are not communists, but at least it should come as a non-profit service in its base form for those who cannot afford to pay more. So building more quality social housing is the only solution. Nothing fancy, just something that serves the needs. And like other Western European social democracies, you could state an income ceiling as a requirement to qualify.
So for example in The Netherlands, people that earn more than 44,000 Euro are not allowed to apply for social housing and are expected to rent commercially. The maximum rent for social housing is 879 Euro per month. If your income is so low, for example you are on benefits, part of the social rent is subsidized up to 368 Euro per month. The aim is that rent should not exceed 1/3rd of the total income. Same is true for the mandatory medical insurance. For high earners this is around 150 Euro per month while people on benefits get almost the entire amount refunded by the state. So there is no divide between an NHS and private healthcare, its all the same system but the costs simply vary.
Now the social housing system is not ideal, the more desirable places like for example Amsterdam, have very long waiting lists, effectively shutting out low income households unless they are extremely patient or get very lucky, but still, at least its a system that makes sense on paper. Also, no-fault evictions do not exist. If you have a housing contract for "an undetermined period" , you are only allowed to be kicked out if a similar house in the area is offered in return plus a generous reimbursement of the cost of moving, a minimum of 7,428 euro. So, the owner of the building, usually a housing corporation, will only do this if they really need too, like for grand renovations, major infrastructure projects or city renewal projects, things like that.
Furher more, there are penalties against "buy-to-let". You will pay a lot more tax if you buy a home you do not plan to live in by yourself, something like 10% of the costs of the property. Also, banks are unwilling to provide a mortgage to people who already own a home since it would effecively be a business loan instead of a mortage which is an entirely different beast. In some cases you are not even allowed to buy a home unless you register yourself as the main occupant on that adress for a minimum period, like 5 years after the initial sale. So these are some things the UK might consider going forward to at least give the state some control over the market.
Ever seem that in action? I have. People have fantastic homes in the center of the hague. As you describe, and opt cheap low paying jobs cos they are making a great life out of city center living and paid cash. Always ways around things for scummy people to not pay fair. I agree in principle though with your comment.
If landlords wants the tenants out because someone else is there to pay more
Rent for that property landlord will kick out the current tenant by issuing a section 21.
It’s an outrageous law
why is it outrageous? So if i am renting a place to you for 1K a month....then my mortage goes up from 800 to 1500....and the market says the rent is 1800 I am just supposed to eat the LOSS?? sorry you have to go
@@InternationalKarl So you wouldn't have any idea your mortgage was going to go up? Seems like as someone using property as an investment vehicle you need to get a fixed rate to protect yourself from such things. Or are all your decisions the responsibility of those they effect?
I do have another solution, if your assets become liabilities, they are no longer assets and a logical person would sell them. A logical person also wouldn't rely solely on the income from property to pay their bills every month. Seems like you want to plead poverty from your position of security and haul up the ladder for anyone who demands even the smallest amount of security out of a contract.
@@InternationalKarl dude ur tenant is not responsible if
The mortgage goes up.
It’s not that you will reduce it if it goes down is it ?
You know I was evicted in December 2020 during the shut downs when everything was shut including hotels. I slept in my van for three weeks before I could get into a hotel and then another five months to find a home and I can say that if you are renting and you get notice to leave then don't mess about moaning just leave. If you are renting you need to have 2-3 months rent available either by saved cash or the ability to borrow. And don't come out with some heart breaking shity excuse because the world doesn't give a dam. It's tough out their and it's going to get a lot worse so start making preparations.
People won't like reading that 😂😂😂 👏👏👏👏👏
Evictions were illegal during the Shutdowns. Zero evictions.
I get that you're bitter about your experience, who wouldn't be, but that's poor reason to expect people to accept such a rubbish state of affairs.
@@user-wj7cv9hb5j Well it maybe better to read about it then to go through it. I have a feeling we are all going to go through the grinder in one way or another.
@@leslievincent20 yeah agreed 100% not fun.
No fault evictions is madness
The only solution to solving the private renting problem is to build council houses. They should never have been sold off without being replaced.
As a bonus, it'll create thousands of skilled jobs, boost the construction industry and get more people in better paid jobs so they can spend more and help get the economy moving. Once built, councils will then have rental income to hopefully stop them all going bust again
The people voted for these Dickensian times. Its about time the English general public stop believing conservative promises but they continue to believe the Tory press. Or continue to blame so called illegal immigrants ( other humans).
If you sign a contract you honour it. If you don't like the terms DON'T!
Some landlords argue about mortgage rate rise which to be blamed. Either sale it or become bankrupt.
It is expensive and stressful moving house and unlike homeowners who get to choose the time and prepare for it mentally and practically, you just get an out of the blue, 2 months notice, drop everything, go, go, go. I had been in a house for 10 years then got a S21, moved into somewhere new and 8 months later got another S21 and it was the same week both my partner's parents died so we were dealing with a lot, we ended up agreeing to a 40% rent rise to stop the second one in the end.
Section 21 needs scrapping if you can be evicted for no reason if you are paying your rent on time you are a good tenant totally unfair what about a bill to get people evicted who aren't good tenants or paying their rent evicted sooner
Two things for tenants to note - you can strike out a S21 notice on a new tenancy, just draw a line through it and initial, and tell the agent you won't sign it otherwise. And also S21 cuts both ways - once you are outside the fixed term, if you have an S21 clause you do not need to give the landlord ANY notice before ending the tenancy yourself, you can literally tell them you moved out and give them the keys on the last day of your rental period. I know this to be true because I have done it with advice from a solicitor, I got my deposit back and the agent was pissy because I made them look like idiots to the landlord for insisting S21 was included. You can remind the agent of this if they insist on including an S21 clause.
Wrong on both counts, a tenant can't just cancel a s21. A s21 may not be valid if it was delivered incorrectly, for example before a fixed term had ended, but a tenant has no right to cancel whatsoever. Second point, a tenant cannot leave without notice, if the fixed term has ended it goes on to a rolling contract, you need to give a min 1 month. Unless there is provision for this in the contract which is extremely rare.
@@ridethelakes I'm talking about striking out the clause before you sign the contract, that's simply a matter of negotiating terms. And if you already have a S21 clause in your contract, I'm pretty sure you can end the tenancy without notice. I have done it, with written advice from a solicitor, and my deposit was returned in full. Check with a property solicitor to be sure.
this guy called Gove in my opinion should be prosecuted for this because nobody is untouchable and should be responsible for their jobs this is not the private sector this is our budgets money
It must not be great been evicted for no fault of your own but I don’t think the government should have the authority to tell someone they cannot sell a house they own. Someone might need to sell a house for all different reasons, they might have medical bills, they might want to invest their capital somewhere else. It could literally be anything but at then end of the day it’s their property to sell not the tenants
Then just wait until the end of the contract usual contracts are 6 months so give notice to the tenant when your contract expires I can no longer renew it , best compromise I would think
@@davidantonucci1161 ok let’s say you own a home you are renting out to a tenant it’s worth 200k, you have your own children and one of them gets ill you are told that the waiting list for the NHS is going to be 18 months 2 years what ever it’s a long time for anything now, or you can go private for 120k do you make your own child wait for the treatment they require? Or do you sell the house you own and don’t need?
@@SgtS1lky well say that was the case then I would pass this information on to the Tennant and let them make a moral choice , I’m sure they would understand, but come on let’s be real most evictions are not for this reason
@@davidantonucci1161 I agree but making laws so people can’t control their own property seems a bit extreme to me. I know some people get kicked out for no reason but we can’t just put a blanket ban on people been evicted from someone else’s property. And the problem with what you’re saying is this isn’t a very moral society anymore there’s not much empathy or compassion for anyone it getting a bit like the Wild West out there. I agree something needs to be done like the government instead of loosing 21 billion to fraud on dodgy covid contracts they should have built houses. I just don’t see removing peoples control over their own possessions been the answer
Aren't tenancies fixed term?
I find Gove a bit spineless
Banks and interest rates... that is who people are truly renting from.
I think these arnt real issues you should focus on multidiversity.
But at the same time if I own a property and want it back, I should be able to, no? Maybe the problem is the notice period then? Btw was given a section 21 living in hotels currently.
What sellers of Illusions. There are houses, but the workers are so poor that they cannot afford to buy Houses . If you borrow from the bank, you need two lives to go to work and pay the loan, landlords raise the price as many times as they want in a year, it depends of luxury life that the owners want!!!!
So, 6 months, you can never set up a home, you won't be able to buy anything?
It should be possible for a land lord to automatically evict ANYONE from a property in 30 days. After which bailiffs go in, all outstanding rent and damages are taken from their possessions and bank account via the court order. Full details of which then go on their references.
And then the bailiff clapped. Gammon fan fiction at ti's finest. Best not comment anymore Grandad, we don't want your blood pressure to go up and explode your heart 👌
@@user-mb5ql9uv4h High court bailiffs can already do all of this. So it only requires a minor change to current housing law. But if you had a clue you would already know all of this...but you dont.