What The MCU Would Look Like If Marvel Never Sold Their Movie Rights
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2022
- Marvel went nearly bankrupt in the 90s and as a result were forced to sell the movie rights of their biggest characters, Spider-Man, The X-Men, The Fantastic Four and other. The Avengers were not seen as movie franchise worthy so studios were interested in buying them. So Marvel took the Avengers and made the biggest movie franchise of all time! But what would've happened if Marvel never sold their rights? Would the MCU have been as successful if it started with Spider-Man instead of Iron Man? Let's find out...
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Would be cool to see a proper civil war with all these characters
Exactly they should have waited
That probably would’ve been the biggest budget in a movie ever
they could always do civil war 2
@@ISAACRICH true
@@ProdLucio they didn’t really know, they also couldn’t exactly do that.
I think they would have had Wasp and Ant-man in the first avengers film, removing black Widow, hawkeye, and captain America, with the post credit scene of them finding cap's iced body
Hawkeye and Black Widow could still be in the movie, but only as shield agents. The actual avengers should be/have been Iron man, Thor, Hulk, Antman and Wasp (hank pym and Janet)
I think cap would still be in it, he'd be thawed out in the opening.
avengers witbout the first avenger?
@@joejennings5112 Cap isn't the first Avenger lol he's the 6th. Hank Pym was the first Avenger.
@@mr.iiconic his nickname is the first avenger??
When I was younger I always thought Raimi Spider-Man was a part of the MCU and that the reason he wasn’t in the avengers was because he was busy doing something else or hasn’t been recruited yet.
I still think rami films take place in the xmen universe
He was busy delivering pizza
I remember as a kid I'd never wait until the post-credits scene, so I didn't even know the MCU existed (this was before even the first Avengers movie), and when I learned about it, I started searching over all of the Marvel movies to see which ones I had missed.
maguire spidey taking place with the same universe as bana hulk would make more sense, tbh
@@RPython2004 yeah
Now do a video where the Arrowverse had full rights of DC characters like Wonder Woman, Superman, and most especially Batman
Yes! I second this.
100%. Could you imagine a show with the thoughtfulness and energy of Arrow S1-3 but for Batman. And him standing next to Tyler’s Superman and Grant’s Flash would be insane. Like, a full Justice League roster would’ve made the shows way more popular than the DCEU
@@jonathanprimus9357 true
Yeah
Don’t talk about dc bruh that shit show omg
Just joking lmao don’t take seriously
Idea: Make a video about how the DCEU would have been if they didn't have the rights to Batman and Superman
Actually Good. 😂😂
There wouldn't be a DCEU. WB solely relys on Batman. If they didn't have him they wouldn't be making movies. Superman was left in limbo. The first ever reboot they did with Henry Cavill they left in limbo instead of giving a proper sequel
@@amon__7187 I'm thinking more if like DC actually knew how to make a cinematic universe, like "what if DC made a good cinematic universe without Batman and Superman", what would that look like
The amazing amazon
Aquaman V wonder woman
suicide squad
green lantern
justice league（shazam and green arrow will replace superman and batman)
@@user-jh8he7be6s Not necessarily the same structure of the DCEU, like I said on another comment, make as if they did a functional, structured cinematic universe, more like what marvel did. But your option looks really valid
Here’s the problem with this, if you try to make a universe with this many recognizable hero’s and villains you need to make more then 23 movies. This would have been better if you had made the universe have more movies in the Infinity Saga. I know you were following the structure rule in which you can only use 23 movies, but with a universe this massive it doesn’t work. You did a great job with the 23 movie structure. But I doubt they would only make 23 movies for the Infinity saga with this amount of superheroes to use. That’s why I think the MCU worked. They couldn’t rely on the big name characters doing the work for them. The movies had to be genuinely great. And to have the quality of the MCU movies, with the star power of all the characters in Marvel comics, you need more then 23 movies. I think you did a great job putting a universe together with only 23 movies, but I think they would need more then 23 movies.
There's billions of people on this planet millions of Marvel fans, if they can shoot out all these movies at least do it correctly. Just need more and competent writers.
Hello, Bud thank you but I'd prefer to say they would have made a franchise for the avengers separately. Spend most of time passing your English/science courses etc and you carry large jansport backpack using art.
introduce the fantastic four instead of captain marvel and put them in endgame.
Introduce the x-men in the start of the phase four instead of the eternals.
spider-man was placed right.
put deadpool some time after the x-men movie.
put ghost rider, elektra, punisher, daredevil and the defenders during phase 2 and 3, with shows.
and that's pretty much all, you can continue with the original order of movies.
I agree with this, as I was watching this video I was thinking that this alternate MCU just wouldn't work as well following a similar structure as the actual MCU. It's fun to imagine what if we had Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four or the X-Men right from the very beginning, but the MCU works in a very specific way with the characters they had and it's very hard to make it work differently
U said 23 movies , 7 times 😂
It would have been pretty weird lol
The MCU would be comprised of the likes of Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Blade, Elektra, The Punisher, Howard the Duck, etc. Might as well just make Midnight Sons as the start of a Franchise, the main big bad being Mephisto
It would not have Howard the duck lmao
@@tarzan5932 The MCU has Howard the Duck in it right now.......he was even in Endgame.
@@maylabrown4584 well yeah, I phrased that poorly. I meant like Howard the duck wouldn’t be important at all when they have like Spider-Man and the x men
@@tarzan5932 obviously
Wait till hitmonkey makes an appearance.
My structure of mcu
Phase 1 (2002-2009)
1. Spider Man (2002)
2. Wolverine : Origins (2002)
3. Spider Man 2 (2004)
4. Fantastic Four (2004)
5. Deadpool (2005)
6. The Wolverine (2005)
7. Spider Man 3 (2006)
8. Fantastic Four : Rise of Victor Doom (2007)
9. The Incredible Hulk (2007)
10. Iron Man (2008)
11. Captain America: The First Avenger (2008)
12. Fantastic Four : Kang's Rule (2009)
13. The Wolverine : Strikes Back (2009)
Phase 2 (2010-2016)
14. Spider Man 4 (2010)
15. Iron Man 2 (2010)
16. Kraven The Hunter (2011)
17. Thor (2011)
18. Avengers (2012)
19. X-Men : The First Class (2013)
20. Iron Man 3 (2013)
21. Deadpool 2 (2014)
22. Captain America Winter Soldier (2014)
23. Venom (2015)
24. Ant-Man (2015)
25. The Sinister Six VS Spider Man (2016)
26. Logan : X-23 (2016)
Phase 3 (2017-2022)
27. Thor : War of Realms (2017)
28. X-Men : United (2017)
29. Deadpool 3 (2017)
30. Ant Man And The Wasp (2018)
31. Thor Ragnarok (2018)
33. Black Panther (2018)
33. Thor Blood And Thunder (2019)
34. The Incredible Hulk 2 (2019)
35. Thunderbolts (2019)
36. Ant Man And The Wasp Quantamania (2021)
37. The Fantastic Four Into Negative Zone (2021)
38. Doctor Strange (2021)
39. Black Panther : Wakanda Forever (2021)
40. The Namor (2022)
41. The Illuminati (Show) (2022)
42. X-Men : Apocalypse (2022)
43. Daredevil (Show) (2022)
44. Avengers : Rage of Ultron (2022)
45. Inhumans (Show) (2022)
46. The Civil War (2022)
47. Falcon And The Winter Soldier (Show) (2022)
Phase 4 (2023-2025)
48. Hawkeye (Show) (2023)
49. Gaurdians of The Galaxy Vol 1 (2023)
50. Odinson (Show) (2023)
51. The Dark Phoenix (2023)
52. WandaVision (Show) (2023)
53. Miles Moralis (2023)
54. Spider Man Into The Spider Verse (Show) (2023)
55. The Fantastic Four : Rise of Galactus (2023)
56. Moon Knight (Show) (2024)
57. Thunderbolts 2 (2024)
58. Nova (Show) (2024)
59. Shang Chi And The Legend Of The Ten Rings ( 2024)
60. Luke Cage (Show) (2024)
61. Gaurdians Of The Galaxy Vol 2 (2024)
62. Iron Fist (Show) (2024)
63 Doctor Strange In Multiverse of Madness (2024)
64. The Defenders Season 2 (Show) (2024)
65. Ghost Rider (2025)
66. Planet Hulk (Show) (2025)
67. Captain America : New World Order (2025)
68. Inhumans Season 2 (2025)
69. Sentry (2025)
70. Captain Marvel (2025)
71. World War Hulk (2025)
72. New Avengers (Show) (2025)
73. Secret Invasion (2025)
Imagine what Captain America Civil War what have looked like if they had more characters.
For a more classic take, I think it would be similar to how Marvel created its comic universe in the 1960s, starting with Fantastic Four, Hulk, Iron-Man, Thor, the X-Men and Spider-Man, some of them with the ongoing mention of Hank Pym, and there you have the Captain America movie with references to the original Human Torch and Namor, so that he reappears in Fantastic Four 2, and the Captain is revived in modern day in the Avengers movie after a fight, and probably the villains would be the Masters of Evil, Kang or Loki. Phase 2 could be inspired by the late 1960s-1970s and have the Skrull-Kree War (Marvel’s first big event) with Secret Invasion inspirations and Galactus’ first appear-ance, some darker characters like Ghost Rider and Daredevil, and then the Secret Wars from the 80s or the Infinity Saga from the early 1990s, with grimmier and edgier stories, then 2000s’ Disassembled, Civil War, House of M, etc. To this day I still want an animated adaptation of Marvels (Busiek/Ross), probably the best introduction ever to Marvel Comics.
I don't know why DC and Marvel don't make anthology series based on comics like Marvel Spotlight and DC Showcase (in live action), where, kind off like What If, new characters could be introduced in a single short story, it would really help with the further consolidation of their universes.
That's probably how it would go, they would be more accurate to the comics since they would have all the characters.
I like every-thing a-bout this re-work ex-cept...
nah jk lol it’s actually good, I think Civil War being a leadup to “something bigger to unite the sides” (Infinity War in the case of the MCU) was definitely smart but the structure is mostly there so it would still work perfectly👌 The only obstacle would be getting the actors to stick around for even _more_ projects. 👀
Yup, I also think Iron Man, Thor and Cap, maybe even Ant-Man, would've had their own movies prior to an Avengers team up. It would have been similar to what they made in the comics
While I like this take on introducing characters, I also agree that Marvel or DC should adapt their comics into anthology tv series 'cause each episode could function like a movie and it would tell stories in a single without having to worry about runtimes ps. We could get all the stories we wanted to see in a single season and later wait for the other to come out.
Marvel is trying to do this with their special presentations
Intro-0:00
Phase 1
The Amazing Spider-Man (2008)-3:05
X-Men (2008)-4:58
The Fantastic Four (2010)-5:41
The Incredible Hulk (2011)-6:35
Wolverine Origins (2011)-7:34
The Avengers (2012)-8:10
Phase 2
The Spectacular Spider-Man (2013)-9:25
X-Men: Apocalypse (2013)-10:17
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2014)-11:02
The Wolverine (2024)-11:51
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)-12:33
Deadpool (2015)-13:05
Phase 3
Avengers vs X-Men (2016)-14:33
Planet Hulk (2016)-15:34
Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man (2017)-16:05
Wolverine: X-23 (2017)-17:37
Fantastic Four: Into the Negative Zone (2017)-18:22
Black Panther (2018)-19:09
Avengers: Infinity War (2018)- 19:38
Dr Strange (2018)-20:22
Captain Marvel (2019)-20:57
Avengers: Endgame (2019)-21:16
Deadpool 2 (2019)-23:26
So it is better that we got what we got
@@doomd1816way better
This could be a dumb question but maybe you should do a universe where it’s both dc and marvel shared.
Like crisis?
its pretty cool
Someone already had that idea
That would be awesome
@@ccl7983 nope like amalgam comcis
A cool idea you could do is what a cinematic universe would look like if DC and Marvel had one big cinematic universe where the characters interact with each other or if you want to continue the perfect version series you could do the perfect versions of each member of the suicide squad.
Someone already done that and it's a current sieres on yt. It's really good I recommend it, it's called "what if marvel and dc shared a cinimatic universe"
The only nitpick I have with the wolverine idea, is to just give him his yellow and brown costume to fit in with the environment but yeah
Yellow and brown when he’s solo and yellow and blue when he joins the X-men
@@TreFKennedy you get it
Would love to see a phase 4-6 of this idea
If Marvel got all the rights back to their characters they could rebrand themselves as the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse (MCM) and have various universes other than the MCU. The Marvel Cinematic Raimiverse (MCR) for Tobey’s Spider-Man, the Marvel Cinematic Webbverse (MCW) for Andrew. I always thought the 2005 Fantastic 4 took place in Tobey’s universe but they could have their own universe called the Marvel Cinematic Foxverse (MCF).
It did? Because Tobey didnt mention the fantastic 4 in nwh. Wouldve been a cool nod too and the setup for Mr. Fantastic in MoM.
@@FrostDzNz yeah I use to think well maybe he just happened to have never cross paths with them all those years.
Raimi sm and 2005 f4 do seem like could share a world.
@@FrostDzNz
Why would've he? Tom mentions Avengers, not Fantastic Four, which doesn't even exist yet in the MCU so it would be impossible to know.
@@FrostDzNz yeh p.us wolverine was acthuly ging to be in the first spider mdn but fox and Sony couldn't arach nd agreement
pretty cool idea, also i was thinking how the MCU look like if the franchise begin with the 1st X-Men movie (2000) and go on in present day, including characters like Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, Ben Affleck's Daredevil and Eric Bana's Hulk (who are more succeful than the real movies) etc... (in the 1st phase the crossover movie would be X-Men Last Stand where the X-Men meets Spidey and the Fantastic Four and other heroes, in the 2nd phase Iron Man, Cap, Thor will be introduced and ending in an Avengers movie, in the 3rd would be Galactus or Ultron the main villain and go on...)
also you would do a DCEU fused with the Arrowverse fused into a DCCTVU (DC Cinematic/Television Universe), thing that would be really cool.
Nice idea. But in which world is Ben Affleck's Daredevil more popular than Charlie Cox's?
And then it could crossover before being reboted with the andrew garfields spider and the 2015 fantastic four film i would also like and spideman and human torch film or show hope you read this
You forgot Blade (1998).
@@juregobviooogroverde9107 the Blade trilogy Is Canon in this MCU 2000-2022, but the movies aren't in the line up of the MCU because the First movie of this franchise was X-Men in 2000, so those movies are Canon, but those movies aren't in the line up of the phase 1 of this MCU
Do a video on what would happen if Batman Begins (2005) and Superman Returns (2006) started the DC Cinematic Universe.
In addition to the Marvel Netflix shows, they could add in other Marvel shows like Agents of SHIELD, Cloak & Dagger, and the Runaways
Okay now what if DC made a cinematic universe but in the beginning they didn't have the rights to Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and the Teen Titans
Phase 1
Ironman-2008
The Incredible Hulk-2008
The Amazing Spider-Man-2009
Ironman 2-2010
Thor-2011
Captain America:The First Avenger-2011
The Avengers-2012
Phase 2
Ironman 3-2013
Thor:The Dark World-2013
The Ultimate Spider-Man-2013
Guardians of the galaxy-2014
Captain America:The Winter Soldier-2014
Hulk:Green Rage-2014
Fantastic Four-2014
Uncanny X-Men-2014
Avengers Age Of Ultron-2015
Ant-Man-2015
Phase 3
Civil War-2016
Doctor Strange-2016
The Spectacular Spider-Man-2016
Fantastic Four:Doom-2017
Wolverine:Weapon X-2017
Planet Hulk-2017
X-Men:Brotherhood-2017
Deadpool-2017
Guardians of the galaxy vol.2-2017
Thor:Ragnarok-2018
Black Panther-2018
Avengers Infinity War-2018
Phase 4
Ant-Man and the Wasp-2018
Captain Marvel-2018
Avengers Endgame-2019
Spider-Man:Sinister Six-2019
Wanda Vision-2021
Marvel’s What If?-2021
Spider-Verse-2021
Moon Knight-2022
Doctor Strange and the multiverse of madness-2022
She-Hulk-2022
Deadpool:The Good,The Bad,and the Ugly
Astonishing X-Men-2022
Fantastic Four:Into the negative zone-2022
Ms Marvel-2022
I dont know why, but universe building videos are some of my favourite kinds of videos.
MCU Alternate (2008-present)
Phase 1:
1. The Amazing Spider-Man (2008)
2. X-Men (2008)
3. Fantastic Four (2010)
4. The Incredible Hulk (2011)
5. X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2011)
6. The Avengers (2012)
7. The Spectacular Spider-Man (2013)
Phase 2:
8. X-Men: Apocalypse (2013)
9. Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2014)
10. The Wolverine (2014)
11. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
12. Deadpool (2015)
13. Avengers vs. X-Men (2016)
Phase 3:
14. Planet Hulk (2016)
15. The Friendly-Neighborhood Spider-Man (2017)
16. Wolverine and X-23 (2017)
17. Fantastic Four: Into the Negative Zome (2017)
18. Black Panther (2018)
19. Avengers: Infinity War (2018)
20. Doctor Strange (2018)
21. Avengers: Endgame (2019)
22. Deadpool 2 (2019)
Love these what if style of videos, keep up the great work dude 👍
Awesome video, this is a really cool idea for a what if scenario! Well done The Black Lion, I appreciate how much time was taken here!!!😃👍☮️❤️
Do this once again without being restricted by the structure of the mcu and have around 40 films . I would love to see that
Deadpool is not any Spidey-Love for the dude. And he should definitely conncect with the avengers side.
I agree, you actively said several times that you were limited by the fact that you were limiting yourself to the structure of the MCU as we know it with different films replacing the one we know, step away from that and come up with your own version.
If they had the rights to the X-men, Fantastic Four, and other marvel characters, they would've made a billion dollars, being the most succesful Cinematic Universes, in cinematic history.
TASM in the MCU was always something that I wanted. In the multiverse, there’s an earth where that was the case. Tbh all the big events in the MCU would have been a lot better with all the character rights
Say what you want about Andrew’s movies but imagine his Spider-Man (portrayal) in the MCU... 👀
Just picture him in Civil War swinging alongside Iron Man and War Machine like “YAAHOOO”
Fox was supposed to buy the X-franchise to avoid bankruptcy. Do Spider-Man before Ant-Man Next is the young avengers etc.
I was skeptical at first but you tied it all together very nicely. Keep it up!
My ideas for phase 4
Iron man (2021)
X-23 (2021)
Guardians of the galaxy (2021)
Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse (2021)
Dr Strange into the multiverse of madness (2022)
X-men Dark Phoenix (2022)
Black Panther: Atlantis (2022)
A-Force (2022)
Inhumans (2023)
Blade (2023)
The Coming of Galactus Crossover (2023)
Midnight Sons (2023)
A-Force??? Ew
Midnight Sons, not Suns. That's from the shitty game.
@@mr.iiconic Facts
@@mr.iiconic Just fixed it
@@Jackman814 thanks. Have a great one bro
"What if DC sold their film rights" Is the only correct sequel. Like sold Batman, Superman, Teen Titans ect...
It’s kind of what Arrowverse is
Can you do more of this?
This is so good and I honestly would love to see it
Very good video my guy. i wouldve loved most of yall in the comments in the making of this scenario. 👍🏾
Create your own dc cinematic universe from scratch
The MCU wouldn't have been successfully without All of the film's before it
Yeah the MCU was inspired by the previous marvel movies before it and Fiege decided “you know what? Let’s make it like the comics and have all of them in a shared universe”
This was a really well done video and I agree with most of your points. Seeing Logan snap away Thanos' army makes sense too and would have been awesome to see.
I think you should do a video talking about what would it be like IF all the marvel films before MCU (or at least, outside of the main MCU) shared a single universe.
If Marvel did not sell their franchises they won’t even make MCU
Captain America wasn't a b-list superhero in fact he was actually one of Marvel's more popular Heroes just not as popular as Wolverine or Spiderman
Thank you. Cap is my fav fiction superhero but he never was a b-list character! Just b/c of the failed 1990 movies ppl want to lump him in with others.
@@hendrix7948 I just get really tired of people saying that Cap was a b-list superhero just because he's more popular thanks to the MCU.
@@poogoceoofrandom1295 he’s been around too long for ppl to not know who he is. Fiege & the Russo bros have done cap right and I’m so glad he’s finally gotten the shine he deserves. Also another good cap rendition is the avengers cartoon series both EMH and avengers assemble
@@hendrix7948 Cap was actually one of the few good characters in Avengers Assemble
@@poogoceoofrandom1295 to me he’s the only good one in avengers assemble. Super adaptoid episode S1 E6 cap is at one of his many finest hrs on that show.
This would be fun to see a Multiverse saga/next couple phases of this universe if you feel like it.
Phase 0
-Blade
-XMen
-Blade 2
-Spiderman
-Hulk
-DareDevil
-Spiderman 2
-XMen 2: United
-Fantastic 4
-Punisher
-Elektra
-XMen: The Last Stand
-Blade Trinity
-Spiderman 3
-Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer
-Xmen Origins: Wolverine
-Ghost Rider
-XMen: First Class
-The Wolverine
-Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance
-The Avengers
Elsewhere
-The Amazing Spiderman
-Fantastic 4
-Deadpool
-The Amazing Spiderman 2
-Deadpool 2
It’s pretty awesome that Disney owns Fox and the rights to almost all there characters besides Spider-Man. Can’t wait to see MCU Silver Surfer
Better late than never I guess
Could you do a phase 4 now
I want to see what the series and movies would look like and what they would be
This is such a great idea for a video
im mad i didnt have this idea what a great concept for a video
Are you going to do a phase 4 video of this because I'm really intrigued
This alternate timeline sounds really amazing but I honestly wouldn’t trade it for the version we have today.
Can’t wait for part 2 , if you make
Also where would blade be introduced?
Me neither, honestly. I love how the MCU has been built and how they carefully introduced and developed their characters. This hypothetical one just doesn't feel right
If some of the phases seem shorter it’s cause I haven’t chosen movies to put in between them yet. The final version would probably be more full. Also, this is just movies, if I could, I would also have shows as well.
Phase one-Amazing Fantasy
Fantastic Four: Negative
Villains-Blastaar, Moleman, Moloids
Origin story for the F4, with them getting their powers from the Negative Zone. Blastaar is main villain and it ends with Victor getting trapped in the Negative Zone.
The Spectacular Spider-Man
Villains-Green Goblin, Freak, Hydro-Man
Origin story for spidey. The villains all join up cause they want to kill Norman, without knowing who the Goblin is. Finale has Gwen’s death and Norman arrested.
The Invincible Iron Man
Villains-Mandarin, Living Laser, Black Widow, Spymaster
Starts like other movie but Obadiah Stane works for Mandarin. Spymaster and Widow are hired to steal Stark Tech. Living Laser is given (DC) Parasite’s origin. Ends with Widow arrested and Laser dying.
X-Men:Uncanny
Villains-Magneto, Trask, Arcade, Robert Kelly, Angel’s dad
Someone with seeing into the future powers (can’t be Destiny) predicts a mutant human fall out. Magneto works with X-Men (Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Prof X) to try and stop this, but in final battle Magneto flips and tries to kill Kelly. He escapes.
Captain Marvel
Villain-Dorrek VII, the Skrulls
Carol works with Mar-Vell to try and stop the Skrulls, but throughout the movie we see that the Kree aren’t exactly heroes. Ends with Dorrek becoming a super Skrull and killing Mar-Vell (he makes a reference to Titan before he dies).
The Hulk
Villains-Absorbing Man, General Ross, Samuel Sterns, Wendigo
Has a three way fight with Hulk, Wolverine and Wendigo, which causes Ross to hire Sam Sterns to help try and exterminate Hulk. He creates Absorbing Man and movie plays out similar to actual movie, but with more time to flesh out characters.
The Mighty Thor
Villains-Loki, Destroyer, Ymir
Plays out like actual film but Loki never fakes his death, he simply goes to Earth and Thor kills Ymir in final battle.
Captain America: World War Two
Villains-Red Skull, Armadillo Man, Heinrich Zemo
Plays out like actual movie but with longer run time. Armadillo man is a disabled Hydra experiment who Red Skull almost has a father-son like relation with, until he is killed by Bucky. Baron Zemo has a falling out with Skull in the 2nd act, calling him a coward, which causes Skull to take matters into his own hands. Same ending but Skull is launched out the plane instead of teleporting.
The Spectacular Spider-Man 2
Villains-Chameleon, Scorpion
Similar to Troyoboyo’s Spider-Man pitch, but obviously with changes to fit this universe. Tombstone is replaced with Chameleon, and Scorpion doesn’t die, he has his jaw broken.
The Avengers
Villains-Loki, Black Widow
The Avengers consist of Iron Man, Black Panther, Wasp, Ant-Man, Hawkeye and Widow (Widow is reluctant to be on the team) who are deployed to stop the Hulk, who is controlled by Loki. They fight and meet Thor and together they free the Hulk, but Loki appears and beats the hell out of them, mind controlling BP, Antman and Hawkeye. Widow betrays the team and steals Shield info but they have bigger problems. Final battle has Cap unfrozen and Captain Marvel joining them, when they defeat Loki.
Phase Two-Expansion
Wolverine: Weapon X
Villains-Sabretooth, Maverick, Abraham Cornelius
Wolverine is being hunted by a team made by Abraham, who are linked to his past. Throughout the film, we learn of the weapon X programme, and the final battle is: Sabretooth Vs Maverick and Logan. Post Credits Scene shows Prof X.
Black Panther
Villains-Killmonger, Klaw, N’Jobu
Same movie pretty much, debating on killing Klaw though.
Fantastic Four: Inhuman
Villains: Dr Doom, The Inhumans
Dr Doom is trapped in the Negative Zone and the F4 discover the Inhumans, who start as villains. Franklin (who was in the first movie) discovers his ability, while Valeria builds H.E.R.B.I.E. Doom gets freed from the Negative Zone and gets juiced up with Terragin mist, and takes on the Inhumans and F4. Ends with him retreating to Latveria.
Nova
Villain-The Sphinx
Essentially Super Frame’s video, except Xandar isn’t destroyed, merely attacked by The Sphinx.
X-Men: Giant Sized
Villains-Mr Sinister, Arc Angel, Arc Light, Blockbuster, Omega Red, Vertigo
Once again, Super Frame’s video but Sabretooth is replaced by Omega Red, and Iceman isn’t in the movie, replaced by Sunfire.
The Spectacular Spider-Man 3
Villains-Kraven, Vermin, Chameleon, Vermin
(Wow I’m not very original am I?) Pretty much Troyoboyo’s Spider-Man 4 pitch, except it ends with Peter removing the Symbiote.
The Invincible Iron Man II
Villains-Titanium Man, Vaults Guardsmen, Hammer, Obadiah Stane
Similar to actual movie, but Iron Man never goes through his “depression” and it’s Titanium man instead of Whiplash. Obadiah Stane is also exposed for the fraud that he is in this film.
Captain Marvel 2
Villain-Genis-Vell
Carol Struggles with taking the mantel of Captain Marvel, and essentially takes in Photon as her protege. Genis-Vell believes that the mantel should be his (plot very similar to tfatws). After he is defeated, Carol embraces the role of Captain Marvel, although the Kree (who sent Genis-Vell) plot to get rid of her.
Namor The Sub-Mariner
Villain-Tiger Shark
Starts with scene in WW2 of Namor working with the Howling Commandos, until he is caught in an explosion.
We then meet Walter Newell who teams up with an amnesiac (Namor), who he sees commit a dangerous sea rescue, and a pirate on a sea expedition. However, they realise the pirate has ulterior movies, and it becomes a race to find the treasure. Newell also becomes Stingray. Eventually, Namor realises who he really is and defeats Tiger Shark (the pirate).
Captain America: Red Star
Villains-Winter Soldier, Arnim Zola, Crossbones
Same plot with 3 key differences. This is Black Widow’s redemption movie, as she recognises Bucky from the Red Room and wants to help. Fury never fakes his death. Arnim Zola’s exposition dump is removed, the audience learns of Hydra along with the characters, throughout the film.
Ant-Man and The Wasp
Villains-High Evolutionary, Wonder Man, Grim Reaper
Hank Pym and Janet Van-Dyne are attacked by Wonder man and Grim Reaper leading them to investigate, tracing it back to High Evolutionary. Wonder Man is only doing this as he was blackmailed because of his father’s dying company. Wonder Man becomes good, High Evolutionary is destroyed and Grim Reaper escapes. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are referenced to as High Evolutionary’s creations (in X-Men Uncanny, the post credits scene has Magneto taking to AIM about fixing his “powerless” children).
The Avengers: West Coast
Villains-A.I.M, M.O.D.O.K, Grim Reaper, Radioactive Man
This follows a new Avengers team consisting of: Hawkeye, Captain America, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Hercules, Tigra, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Black Widow, Swordsman, (potentially Machine Man but not needed cause of how many people there are). This team is put together by Raymond Sikorsky to take down A.I.M but Henry is actually a double agent working alongside Swordsman for A.I.M. Black Widow learns of Swordsman being a traitor, but he blackmails her, saying that who will believe the traitor and saying he will expose what she did for A.I.M in the past if she talks. Final battle has them taking down Radioactive Man and Grim Reaper.
Phase three
X-Men: The Phoenix
Villains-Dark Phoenix, Gladiator, Shi’ar Empire
Not going to go too much into this one as it’s gonna essentially be the comic story we are all familiar with, except the Star Jammers will die. Vulcan is in this movie and in a post credits scene, takes control on the Sh’iar.
Black Knight
Villains-The Serpent, Kingdom Of The Serpent
Dane Whitman takes over a fortune from an uncle he didn’t know he had, hooks up with Victoria Bently, yada, yada, finds Ebony blade and becomes Black Knight. Because reasons, Dane and Victoria end up in "the World of the Wyrd" where the Kingdom of the Serpent rules over their neighbors like despots. The only one who could hope to challenge them is New Avalon but they need the Black Knight to marshal their forces. They defeat the Serpent and Dane manages to make life easier for the people, despite the mantel of the Black Knight urging him to rule by fear.
The Mighty Thor II: Ragnarok
Villains-Surtur, Enchantress, Executioner, Those who sit above
Not much like the movie, more like the comic, except Surtur is a much more intimidating villain and Loki, Thor and Odin team up to defeat him in the final fight. Odin dies, Thor loses his hammer but the day is saved. Post Credits Scene shows Surtur had constructed another hammer and it sparks.
Dr Strange
Villain-Dweller-In-Darkness, D’Spayre, D’Sprytes, Sprite
We begin with a scene with Agamotto, a previous sorcerer supreme fighting Dweller, as Dweller intends of releasing the D’Sprytes into the world. He defeats Dweller and sees a baby in a cradle with a strange mark.
The movie then plays out similar to the actual one except Dormammu is replaced with Dweller, Kaecilius is D’Spayre and Baron Mordo has already left the sanctum at the start, and rejoins to help with the new threat. Brother Voodoo is also a character that Strange and Wong approach for help.
Later on, it is revealed that the baby at the start was the Ancient One and she is controlled by Dweller, causing Mordo to kill her. Eventually, Dweller is killed by Strange, but not before teasing Nightmare.
The Spectacular Spider-Man 4
Imma be honest I don’t actually know for this one. I want it to have Venom cause of my Spider-Man 5 plan but I don’t really have an idea for the plot right now.
The Hulk 2: Gamma
Villains-Abomination, The Leader, General Ross
Banner is happy after being excused for his crimes, but ends up doing something that puts him back on the run, with Betty. Ross gets the help of Samuel Sterns, who is now Leader, who creates something that can get rid of the Hulk, temporarily. Bruce and Betty get the help of Dr. Samson, who is the new boyfriend of her, he discovers through hypnosis another side of Hulk. Leader creates Abomination who hunts and injects Hulk with a temporary cure that depowers him. Before he is killed however, he transforms into a grey Hulk and gets the upper hand. We later learn that this Hulk is another personality of Banner’s called Joe Fixit. Sampson tries to talk to Joe and finds out that this personality came from the neglect Bruce faced from his father. Sampson starts prodding too deep and Joe gets angry, nearly killing him. After this, Abomination is made even stronger and eventually captures Banner, due to Joe Fixit not being all that strong.
Leader infects Betty Ross with gamma radiation with General Ross believing that Betty Ross got infected because of her being with Banner. Leader then betrays Ross and reveals that he intends to create an army of Gamma soldiers from Ross’ volunteers. He creates the cure for the Hulk that could remove the gamma radiation from his body, but Ross stops him and Sterns and his Hulk soldiers attack a nearby city. Bruce Banner has the cure, but he realizes only the Hulk can stop him and only this cure can save Betty. So he gives the cure to Betty to remove her gamma infection. The final battle is Hulk vs Abomination, Leader, and a small squad of gamma soldiers, which Hulk wins after a scene with Banner, Joe and Hulk all in their mind talking and becoming at one. Becoming Hulk.
(Forgot to mention but Rick Jones is also in this movie and is the reason why Joe doesn’t kill Sampson).
The Avengers: Age Of Ultron
Villains-Ultron, A.I.M, M.O.D.O.K, Sentinels
A.I.M creates Ultron with the files stolen by Widow in Avengers one, and the Avengers gotta stop him. Follows a similar plot to Ultron Unlimited up until the 2nd act but the third act shows 6 months into the Future, with the Avengers sending Vision back in time (mainly Mr Fantastic) to stop Ultron. End of this movie has the Avengers joining with F4.
Ant-Man and The Wasp 2: More Ant-Man (definitely workshopping the title)
Villains-Ghost, Darren Cross, Egghead
Similar to the actual sequel except Hank Pym takes in Scott as his protege after the Ultron incident. Goliath’s role is replaced by Darren Cross and Egghead.
I think Captain America and Iron Man still would've gotten their own movies leading up to The Avengers. I think The Hulk sequel focus more on The Leader, Rick Jones and the return of Abomination before Planet Hulk. Plus, the Fantastic Four should definitely have another movie introducing the Inhumans.
Would like to have seen a proper introduction of the Inhumans via a good Fantastic Four movie.
icl if they had this structure of the mcu it would’ve started during 2005 and ending in 2025 with secret wars then probably rebooting it for the new viewers
You should do more of these. I want to see a good Phase 4!
I really loved this video but I think Wolverine would be best suited for the small screen. Marvel instead of making a trilogy of mostly modern wolverine stories could make individual seasons corrialting with different decades in wolverine's life before meeting up with the X-men, really taking advantage of his immortality. I also think the Fantastic 4 deserves more love than just a simple trilogy, they have so many meaningful stories to tell including expanding the team into The Future Foundation, or Reed collaborating with the Illuminati and setting up a Secret Wars like event and the fallout from that. Other than that really cool video.
I honestly think that what happened to marvel is a prime example of making the best out of a bad situation to the point where it turned into the best situation
Hey black lion what are your thoughts on the recent cancellations of batwoman and legends of tomorrow?
wait they cancelled legends???
Is this true?
Oh no, I can't believe it
Yeah they cancelled legends which sucks cause I really couldn’t wait to see booster gold on the show after his appearance in the season 7 finale
Fuck Discovery.
I do like this idea of a different universe where marvel had the rights to all of their characters, however I do think the introduction of the avengers via solo film would work a little better for the avengers film mainly due to the fact that in the comics we got the xmen and fantastic four already as a group however i don't think that same concept would've worked for the avengers cuz with the avengers, the team members had their own solo comics which then led up to the first avengers comic. And like you said if the avengers film in this universe were to play out the same as the avengers that came out in 2012 I do believe that at least the introduction to a solo thor film in phase one would contribute a lot to the first avengers film mainly due to the main villain being Loki with the chitauri being obstacles to the avengers saving New York and defeating Loki, but these are just my thought lol
In regards to the part about Hulk and Universal ... It's not Universal preventing future solo Hulk movies. It's Disney doing that. Pre-Disney, Marvel Studios produced the films but they made deals with Paramount and Universal for distribution and marketing. Paramount handled everything but the Hulk. When Disney bought Marvel in 2009 they honored the agreements through 2012's Avengers but bought those distribution rights back from Paramount. Universal having the Hulk's distribution stemmed from their involvement in the 70's TV show through the 2003 film (that was not produced by Marvel Studios). Disney wanted to acquire those distribution rights back but Universal did not want to sell. There's nothing stopping Marvel from making a solo Hulk movie now except they'd have to share a percentage of the gross with Universal so they (Disney) won't do it. Presumably they'll withhold any future Hulk solo movie until that right of first refusal expires or Universal sells it back to Disney.
Imagine if in this universe they went a step further and incorporated the transformers into this mcu, since their entire mythology came from marvel and they did cross over a few times
theoretically-speaking, Marvel Transformers Star Wars GI-Joe and MLP are all in the same universe.
@@fduranthesee how?
@@axelnilsson5124
Same toy manufacturer, Hasbro, it would seem.
great break down and i truly believe you are right
I think if the MCU had everyone, the Guardians movies wouldve been Fantastic four movies, and the two Antmans would have been two X-men. I just think some of the characters we love now wouldnt have had a shot at their own movie
Part 2 with phase 4???
How do I get a poster like that, which you have in the background of Marvel heroes?! Like your video and makes great sense.
You should make videos for how you would do certain cinematic universes like DC or Marvel your way with no rules. That would be cool
I ABSOULUTELY LOVE THESE VIDEOS XD
it would be great if you made a part 2 of this with the multiverse saga
Ok hear me out this is how I would finish off Peter Parker’s Story
2nd Spider-Man Trilogy Kraven /Carnage Focused storyline’s
Spider-Man: Last Hunt (2021)
Spider-Man: Maximum Carnage (2023)
Spider-Man: Grim Hunt (2026)
3rd and Final Trilogy Green Goblin returns Hobgoblin introduced. The Trilogy ends with Brand New Day
Spider-Man: The Goblin War (2029)
Spider-Man: Identity Crisis (2030)
Spider-Man: One More Day (2032)
Very nice please do a video about what if the marvel netflix shows were structured like the arrowverse
Can't wait to see THIS Secret War
Yeah Marvel not having their full roster was probably the best thing as it forced them to make their B-Listers into A-Listers and icons. Talk to anyone before 2008 and hear that the Avengers are the biggest superhero team and you'd get some funny looks from comic book fans. The Avengers was always at least behind the Justice League in popularity let alone the X-Men. Now Iron Man, Captain America and Thor are big names themselves, probably not at Spider-Man, Superman and Batman levels but potentially at Wonder Woman and Hulk levels of popularity and that's crazy
Here's an idea: What If The Monsterverse (Godzilla Cinematic Universe) had The MCU Structure?
What other giant monster could they have included: the Kraken?
Would love more detail on who you'd cast for all these, like 2008 Spider-Man probably wouldn't have Kirsten Dunst and James Franco so who plays them
The first avengers movie is similar to the ultimates. Other hero teams, but the avengers are a government superhero team that the us government/shield send out. Also similar is how the main founders had minor appearances before appearing in the ultimates
Andrew Garfield off the bat? I like this.
Video Idea: Continue this What If scenario and release a video going over phase 4, 5, and 6 of how the marvel franchise turned out if they had kept all their rights !
Yeah but wait until Phase 4 is complete to make that viseo
@@wehttamnagilluc1329 Well Said, Well Said 😎
From what I have heard phase 4 of today’s MCU is ending sooner rather than later. But don’t quote me on that !
What are your thoughts on Batwoman and Legends Of Tomorrow being cancelled and will you be making a video on your cameo bets for Multiverse Of Madness?
Please do a part 2 of this for the multiverse saga
The Entire MCU:
The Amazing Spider-Man
X-Men
Fantastic 4
The Incredible Hulk
Wolverine Origins
The Avengers
The Spectacular Spider-Man
X-Men: Apocalypse
Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer
The Wolverine
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Deadpool
Avengers vs X-Men
Planet Hulk
The Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
Wolverine: X-23
Fantastic 4: Into the Negative Zone
Black Panther
Avengers: Infinity War
Doctor Strange
Captain Marvel
Avengers: Endgame
Deadpool 2
The MCU and Marvel Studios is a prime example of the power of corporate competition. At the time in the 90s, it was better to sell movie rights to different studios because they could take each of the stories where they needed to go emotionally. Blade was perfect for New Line in that era because New Line was killing it with smaller budget & horror films and I miss that era very much. Sony was still expanding in the 90s with the PS and now movies and Spider-Man was a great fit. I personally love the Fox X-Men movies because they were able to have deeper & harder emotional scenes like the holocaust or civil rights issues or going rated R with Deadpool that Disney/Marvel wasn't willing to do. At the time the movies were looked at as bad however over time they now have been looked at with better eyes because with exposure there comes experience. The audience realized what a good superhero movie was and wasn't. This then leads to Marvel reclaiming their titles because they saw everyone else making their money. What Marvel should have done is NOT sell out to Disney. They should have stayed partners with Paramount. It would of allowed them the creative freedom to go where the story needed to go to be more comic accurate & less corporate restricted. For example, Tony Stark's drinking problem or what the Winter Soldier & Black Widow programs really did. Also that could have allowed further partnership with Fox and using the X-Men sooner.
I agree with you in 100%.
Also I'm gonna be honest, when I was young like really young I didn't know the difference between dc and marvel I thought all superhero's were just in the same universe but always looking at marvel characters just didnt look like actual superhero's apart from Spider-Man, it was like marvel was broccoli and DC was pizza it just always looked like dc characters were better and I realised as I got older, marvel has hero's but dc has superhero's and that's the difference
Do a video about your ideal Marvel animated universe:Television series or Movies?
If marvek for it's character wrights back right before 2007:
Xmen first class would have been a reboot and set up captain America the first avenger.
Peter Parker would have a cameo in the new York battle.
Tony stark would have a cameo in the amazing Spider-Man 2 and recruit spider man in the post credit scene of age of Ultron.
Days of future past would have been connected to age of Ultron (time traveling stuff).
Both events would collide in the sokovia accords so civil war would have been bigger and may be Xmen would have been the main title
nice idea!
Loved the video.
Quick question, who would u have been dusted in Infinity War and who are Ur surviving members to resurrect decimented??
In an interview with the Russo bros they said they would have dusted all the X-Men except for Wolverine so wat would u say?
It makes sense honestly, Wolverine’s always the last man standing even if just by chance, and he was the last of the X-Men fighting in Infinity Gauntlet (except maaaybe Cyclops)
My guess is the Fantastic Four would’ve been dusted too, kinda for the same reason
6:45 maybe in another alternate universe where Fox bought Disney instead an incredible hulk sequel could have been in phase 4.
Technically this universe is canon somewhat seeing that in Multiverse of Madness Earth 838 exists and the possibilities given with that exists
Man can i pick your ideas , some of them ,to my fanfic?
I think the first time I watched this and heard Andrew would be the Spider-Man of this universe, I was just like “Sold!”
i dont think that the second fantastic four movie would include any multiverse stuff, only the introduction of the silver surfer where they fight him but they become peacefull with eachother in the end, however i do think that in a post credit scene there is a hint towards a multiverse and that the multiverse comes in after galactus vs avengers/xmen/fantastic four crossover movie (galactus debuting in fantastic four into the negative zone in a post credit scene or hinted towards in this version of endgame and that theres a shadowy figure there and his backstory explained in his avengers/xmen/fantastic four crossover movie)
conclusion: multiverse hinted in fantastic four 2
galactus hinted in fantastic four 3 or in this version of endgame
multiverse comes in after galactus vs avengers/xmen/fantastic four crossover movie
Can you do a phase 4 and 6, it will be awesome and so cool. I hope you get up to it
It has been said a million times already: Universal has the distribution rights which is how Marvel made a film of their own. That was when Marvel was independent with Universal having Namor and Hulk distribution and Paramount with distribution for the others. Simple Google. Simple magazine interviews. And there was no deal regarding Quicksilver and SW. That is all ramblings from the internet.
I think if Marvel could have started managing the MCU with Spider-Man from the beginning, then Hulk could have actually planted Easter eggs in the Spider-Man series, as Bruce Banner's story could have intersected with Richard Parker's.
the reason the mcu worked is because they brought new characters and used them to introduced the stones and a bigger team. so i feel like yen avengers should have solo movies at least cap, iron man, and thor
What if all the early 2000s marvel heros shared a same universe? *including Blade, X-Men, Ghost Rider, Hulk 2003, Tobey Spider-Man*
He started rapping at like 24:43
I think would be cool a cinematic universe with :
Some pre mcu movies ,marvel phase 1 movies , some marvel videogames from 2000s including marvel games tie ins for the movies ,novels made for the movies , comic books made for the movies and also all Xmen movies even the one that were made post mcu phase 1.
I like your idea for the first amazing Spider-Man movie the best
I know this will sound absurd, but could you do one for Sony Spider-Man Cinematic Universe? I legit would like to see what you could do in terms of an MCU with Spider-Man villains.
You should make a video where you make the MCU structured like the Arrowverse.
whats the point of adhering to the 23 movie structure if youre like. not gonna actually pay attention to how the mcu actually *structures* itself and allows buildup before the introduction of characters?? this does feel a lot like the dceu. i would honestly try again but follow the general formula the mcu actually laid, regardless of how many movies or stories it takes, and just have some fun with it.
How would you fix the Inhumans ( I assume you’ve seen doctor strange 2 and know of Black Bolts cameo. Even with what happened to him, I think he looks a hell of a lot better than the tv show. I want Anson Mount and Serinda Swan back as Blackagar Boltagon and Medusa, they both played those characters excellent and deserve a big screen performance.
I’m sorry, is his name really
“Blackagar Boltagon”
Would like to see them in a Fantastic Four movie. Probably have them be in the 3rd one.
Can you do a solo batfamily verse? Maybe each phase relates to a new robin?