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my dad (the most gentle, nonviolent, non aggressive man i’ve ever met) was a karate instructor for many years. so many of his students would try to friend him on facebook. he told me he doesn’t accept any because he doesn’t want to be creepy. i didn’t fully understand it at the time but as i’ve gotten older i’ve thought about the fact that adults have a responsibility to not put themselves in a situation that would make someone uncomfortable. it’s obvious some men are able to naturally intuit that it’s inappropriate to create a relationship with a child.
good for your dad! i think it's very inappropriate to accept your students' friend requests as a teacher, especially if you post very personal things on your profile.
that reminds me about how i added my teacher on fb when i was in 3rd grade and made a post about atheism (i copy/pasted something about it that i didnt understand but thought it made me sound smart) & she commented on it being like "(name) what is this? are you saying that you dont believe in god?" i was embarrassed so i tried to say my brother posted it LMFAO so weird and cringe don't add ur teachers
Exactly! My Dad was a Youth Pastor for many years. He never gave out anything but his email through the churches domain, and his work phone or pager( yes, I am that old). As a Pastor you have a need to be able communicate with your congregation at a moments notice, but you also need to have a record of accountability.
One of my high school science teachers put very clear boundaries on his social media: he was not our friend, and it wouldn’t happen until after college, marriage, or some other huge adult life event😂.
He finally accepted my friend request when I got married😭.
Yeah if I was on Facebook & insta before high-school then I'd never add my teachers because of that reason
idk how swoop kept it together when he was trying to say that what happened to him was worse than sexual grooming. I would have fucking lost it.
Especially with the whole “fuck around and find out” and saying he didn’t care that josh was a victim. The way she kept professional and calm I could never.
The level of idiocy saying something that is wildly unethical, inappropriate, and gross is somehow WORSE than something that rightfully/hopefully puts predators in prison and forever affects victim's lives to their core is vile.
You can see her pursing her lips, doing her best to remain calm and professional. The patience of this woman is impressive, I would have just ended the call.
I'm really surprised Swoop didn't just cut the interview short. I think she really wanted to nail down the truth and she did phenomenally.
and when he said “fuck around and find out” about DV like what was he thinkingggg
I love seeing Swoop get all this recognition as she has been working her ass off & making astounding docs for quite some time! She deserves the recognition :)
Seriously, she’s pretty amazing
Agreed! I love watching her docs because how through and honest she is!❤️
I’ve been here since her Gabbie Hanna videos. She’s outstanding
@@catherinedean3796me too!
I originally didn't really like Swoop after her Mykie(Glam & Gore) video. There were 2 or so very valid complaints(i.e. racism) but covered in every little nit picky bit she could think of to try to make Mykie seem worse when those valid issues spoke for themselves. Swoop came off as a jealous lover att w/some of the unnecessary comments she made. Like if someone was a bad friend you don't tell everyone about their relationship issues to try to make them look bad, you stick to why they were a bad friend and that should be enough. If it's not, you don't have a good enough story to back why the person was awful. I'm glad I gave her another chance because when she can remain objective and unbiased she slams these docs right out of the park.
his explanation for non-sexual grooming being worse than sexual grooming is braindead, feel like Josh rejected him and he's developed an insufferable world view. also gives off strong p*do vibes
duuuuuuuuuude i was thinking the same thing. there was 100% smth going on between him and josh even if it was 1 sided and hes trying to make himself a victim so he can justify the rejection. major projection from johnny too
@@orcaletta yeah, Josh even talked about Johnny being too attached to him in his first private apology to Johnny. (I think it was something about not being a good mentor and not doing enough when it became apparent how attached Johnny became or something..) Also when you listen to Johnny talk about Josh it sounds like they broke up (which isn't the case bc Josh is straight afaik, just to be clear)
Why does it matter which is worse when both are so destructive :S ?
Why. Put the resentment. On people who haven’t been hurt. Instead of. The baddies
He's a crybaby over not getting a career out of them. He's a snake.
@@leahvogelsimpson that's for sure
Olivia explaining these to Ethan has such good vibes man. It makes me feel like a young girl telling my dad about internet drama (I’m a guy and I don’t have a dad)
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as a young(ish) girl who tells her dad all of her drama- this is fucking spot on
Ethan gives such dad energy with the “so when was that?” “what’s that again?” “who was that?”
here is just my opinion. Sounds like Johnny hates that Josh didn't fall in love with him. He keeps saying he dumped him. he ghosted him. Like bro he wasn't with you.
I completely agree, as soon as he started rambling about how ridiculous the idea of him “having a crush on Josh” is without swoop even mentioning it, said everything we need to know there
Agreed. In the interview he always mentions their little meetups and talks about them like they were dates.
Oh for sure
It always gives me shivers down my spine when people compare their pain no matter what it is to other's pain - to have their own be worse. It lacks empathy and seems manipulative.
Yeah it’s scummy af.
Sometimes if someone comes to me with something really emotionally raw, I don’t know how to comfort them and my brain starts reciting a time when I felt similar emotions to let them know they’re not alone, I might not have advice but it’s never to be the “winner” when I share something after someone else did, it’s because I have 0 ability to comfort others due to social anxiety but I also recognize how it comes off- I’m able to almost process others stories through empathy and empathy alone as if sympathy is lost on me but empathy runs through me like oxygen 😞 definitely something I am insecure about and I try not to but my brain just works that way🤷🏻♀️
Agree! Fuck the trauma olympics it don’t help us bridge the distance between each other
Its the fact that Swoop talked to Johnny for so long he couldn't hide his real personality from her. Thats why all the truth and his real feelings came through. This guy is a nightmare
Honestly if the offense was sharing the nudes in the first place sharing them again compounds the offense. He didn't need to publicly post the unedited images to prove what Ballinger did. He left them unedited for the shock value.
He did censor them. The criticism was he did not censor them enough.
@@mishaslilbae828 and also that his intent was to force someone to talk about something publicly by sharing the texts.
truly he could have blocked out nearly her entire body and just shown that it was her face and like. shoulders. and it would be pretty easily verifiable through google or onlyfans if it wasn't already verifiable enough. the way it seems like he "censored" them looks more like when a person posts an almost-nude on instagram deliberately
God I love the highlights so much, so nice when I’m at work or eating for something fast that isn’t a youtube short
Fast? This video is an hour and ten minutes lmao
@@isaacbenzing5686 woosh
@kuroneko5463 😂
@@kuroneko5463 Explain the joke that went over his head.
Fr. They always make their highlights convenient for us.
silvestri's lack of self awareness is astonishing like it is impressive how well swoop kept her voice and words calm but nearly anyone could look at her and see her eyes are literally on fire like all of that patience and holding back rage is being channeled into her eyes to keep her together.
I really appreciate Olivia’s ability to hold the conversation down and keep the story moving. I can tell how much work went into this slideshow, great job!
Swoops work
@@jessab8757not quite. Her presentation is a very different structure and order, and it takes it piece by piece in an orderly fashion still.
It is all based off of swoops work (which they themselves acknowledge almost every 5 minutes), but the comment was about the presentation and the way it was constructed. That's not Swoops work, that's Olivias work in reframing and summarising Swoops work.
So why do you feel the need to diminish a compliment to Olivia for impressive work she did, and are trying to force it towards Swoop instead?
That's just spreading negativity by diminishing people to lift up another.
@@DyslecticAttackthey said two words my guy..
@@SiniBlu And those two words have a very distinct meaning. And I don't agree with it.
@@DyslecticAttack it’s not that deep but you do you g🤙🏽
I envy Swoop's patience and demeanor. I would have gone off so fast.
same
If you watch her enough even during her interview with him she was physically pained holding it back. And the disgust slipped in just enough to see briefly but then she went back to no emotion on her face. She would usually hit petty university but she had to refrain
When Johnny was on the show it drove me NUTS that he spoke over the other two victims whose stories were arguably more egregiously awful than his
the full video is definitely worth the watch. She goes into lots of detail and really investigates the situation.
agreed. I love Swoop so much
Swoop always comes with receipts. I love it
It was so interesting. It’s 3 hours long but feels like I was only watching for 40 minutes
yes!! loved it. soooooo well done.
It definitely is. For the first 2 and a half hours I was skeptical (don't hate me, I just didn't know enough) I kept thinking "well, sometimes people don't remember right" and stuff like that.
It was the moment when he downplayed HER trauma when it finally hit me. I really tried to give that boy the benefit of the doubt.
Ethan's face @43:23 exactly how I felt when I first heard him say that jacked up crap. I have never heard a survivor say they don't care if someone else was a victim. I would bury myself in a damn hole before I ever talked about a fellow survivor in such a way.
Yeah that nearly knocked my ass down laughing in anguish and disbelief. What the hell.
I also find it very telling how Swoop visibly got very angry at it (even if she tried not to show it), yet how Johnny was utterly oblivious to it and was just laughing about his statements. And to me it didn't seem like a "lets diffuse the situation/that didn't sound like I meant" laugh, it seemed like a "I'm so proud/gleeful of me saying that" laugh.
@@DyslecticAttackIt's so strange how completely oblivious he was. Yeah I thought it was "I got away with it" laugh. I think it's called "duping delight"
At the end of the day, Colleen still caused all this shit
TRUTH
Agreed. She’s disgusting.
Still…teens need to stop stalking CZcamsrs.
They all comprehend grooming, that’s obvious, so why do they keep taking that risk? Is it really a power dynamic or a power grab? Honestly it’s starting to look as tho they are setting adults up (who already exhibit problematic behaviors) at this point. They have all the screen shots kinda like Monica Lewinsky held on to the dress.
@@seame3795nah responsibility lies with adults, the end. Kids can cross the street without looking because they want something on the other side; that doesn't mean they were tempting the drivers to hit them, and the kids noting the license plate doesn't suggest anything but that they feel victimized and worry that accountability won't be taken or they won't be believed. If you can be tricked by a child into doing illegal things with them, you just always wanted to do illegal things with kids and found the right victims, the ones that provide you the mental gymnastics to justify it to yourself. Like what, these kids were in the group chats for so many years as, what, a long con? Did the 9 year old trick her into putting candy in her pants for him to fish out lmfao dastardly
@@keithheinz2120 NOPE .. this attitude gives people a free pass to fuck with adults and ruin careers. Both are responsible, as well as the kid's parents. Of course the adult should know better but you cannot deny that people do these things for attention too. I agree with seame as much as grooming has been covered, why keep reaching out to adults in the first place? These younger people should be (gently) held accountable for these behaviors and stop reaching out to older people in an intimate manner, then the problem is solved all around.
@@iamthecustomer6336better question is why do the adults respond?
Im surprised you all didnt notice he was controlling that interview. It was the worst.
Every five minutes it was back to the Johnny show I was sick of it
Guilty people can sometimes be the loudest when these situations come out. He immediately wanted to defend himself and accuse anyone he could. He wasn’t strategic enough to keep those stories and accusations aligned and this 6 hour interview debunked so much of the truth and I’m really glad Swoop took the time, patience, and energy to do this. I’m sure it was hard to remain civil while hearing some of the disgusting things he was saying, but it really helped everyone get a bigger picture of who he really is at the end of the day. Guilty people talk, a lot.
I absolutely love that Swoop is getting recognized for all the hard work she and her team have done. She has such a great heart. The lengths she goes to help people with her docs. It's inspiring.
Johnny definitely was in love with josh and I do think josh got the weird vibe. I think when he came out to josh it was something more than just him coming out and he didn’t get the right response from him whatever it was.
Johnny wants to be Colleen so bad it’s scary. He wants to wear her skin
YES ANOTHER PERSON WHO THINKS SO AS WELL! I've said this in multiple videos on how it was weird on how Johnny would paint his friendship with Josh like a relationship and even in the H3 podcast interview he said it was like a weird breakup when Josh cut off contact. Like I get that friendships that end is heartbreaking and like a breakup but in the context of everything...it's weird. Also he kept calling the friendship a "relationship" like that's so weird. Also the way he stumbled over his words when he mentioned that it might look like he had a crush but he doesn't in the interview with Swoop. He would then continue berating Josh that he was pushing 30 and his personality was crap basically. Another thing that made me think he had a huge crush on Josh is that he was set on making it big with Josh and not Colleen. When he had dinner with Josh and his parents he said that Colleen is much bigger, makes better money, and Josh just sells cars on the side. Like why not bother Colleen, one of the biggest youtube stars at the time, to help you make it big and focus on Josh? Josh did say that he would help him and be a mentor to him but Johnny should've gone to Colleen. I honestly think he made that up and reversed the roles that Josh was the one being creepy and pushy and not Johnny himself. The other thing is that he got upset when Josh didn't reply especially when Josh was on the verge of offing himself after the divorce which is disgusting.
And maybe I could be wrong but Johnny may have confessed to Josh but doesn't wanna say it. Weird how Johnny mentions "crush" when no one brought that up 💀
@@minteaskullza queen comment
Yessssss this is EXACTLY what I thought!
You're spot on in my opinion. Johnny had unrequited feelings for Josh and when Josh realised things were getting weird and cut him off, it obviously hurt Johnny. He's in this solely to hurt Josh and it's gross that he thinks that his nonsense is more important than the experiences of REAL victims
Yeah, so much of what he says makes it seem this way, he talks as if he deluded himself into thinking things were “dates” and like he’s butthurt about being ghosted because he was projecting his feelings onto Josh
MAMA SWOOP SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT, we love you so much swoop for all your hard work (physical AND emotional)
let’s normalize monitoring our children’s internet activity so things like this don’t happen. i’m not defending colleen by ANY means, but as a parent it’s YOUR responsibility to make sure your children are safe from these sick creeps.
Colleen had all of the children make secret twitter accounts, and Adam did most of this while he was at school. Zero blame should be on the parents here, all it does is start to excuse Colleen
Seems to me, from the clips, that Johnny is trying to insert himself into this “investigation” having participated in the chats with these children & having been complicit in the grooming efforts himself, similarly to a serial killer going back to the scene of the crime & inserting themselves into a police investigation in order to relive & bask in what they’ve done. IMO he’s trying to somehow “commemorate” his part in it all. While thinking, he’s pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes playing victim. That’s the impression I’m getting, and it’s absolutely disgusting.
I wanted to comment on the question 'is any relation ship with children when you're an adult ok,' as I've worked with people of all ages through volunteering at youth groups, organizing youth events, and helping with youth classes for various extra curricular actives, along with having much younger siblings and would help babysit them and their friends.
There's a big difference between having a mentor relationship with underage people and being their "friend." You never want to have access to them outside of these specific actives, unless it's extenuating circumstances. You also never want them to idolize you as a fan, it's a very different dynamic.
As an adult in these situations, it's your job to make sure the kids feel comfortable coming to you, but also feel secure because you "are" an adult and not their friend. You can be friendly but not friends. No social media contact, no chatting on the daily outside of any actives. No one-on-one unless it's for a specific reason.
It's your job to help them navigate the world, not to become their world. You provide them with tools if they want, but not force it on them. You also want them to outgrow that mentor relationship, you want them to leave the class/group/events and to move on. If they're fans or friends, it would be harder for them to outgrow that situation, as they'll see you in a specific light and it will hold them back (not hard and fast rule of course, just the most case scenario).
yes. provide a safe space where a child may not have one but don’t cross any lines. demonstrate a healthy mentorship and set a standard
I was just thinking this, especially in circumstances where adults were a saving grace to kids that needed some help they weren't getting at home or were in dangerous situations.
Idk if you’ve watched the other part, about Josh. It does appear that Josh was trying to be a mentor to Johnny but lacked the training and knowledge to navigate that role properly, including and especially how to detach when the minor appears to be unwell. Josh apologized for this specifically 4 times. It became clear over time that Johnny’s attachment to Josh was unhealthy, Josh attempted to maintain a healthy distance without shutting Johnny out completely. The other section pretty clearly shows that Josh thought he could serve as a role model and mentor at a distance, with Johnny’s parents’ knowledge and consent, and that Josh didn’t know what to do when Johnny’s behavior devolved into borderline stalking.
Josh acknowledged that it was wrong to give Johnny his phone number, and that it was wrong to hold himself out as a mentor when he lacked the skill/knowledge/capacity to fill that role appropriately and adequately
I love a super long CZcams video. I listen to them all day while I'm at work lol
Edit: Jesus Christ was Colleen ruining a groomer MLM 😭
Agreed, makes time go by faster lol
Dang ur day is only 1 hour
Agreed
Yep!! I throw in an ear bud and hit my watch later playlist while i go about my day. SAHM life. makes the day go by quickly.
Predator/ groomer ring for sure.
Ethan and crew, thank you so much for the very important follow-up on this very important issue. I grew up in abuse, married into it, stayed for years until he started pointing guns at me. I'm 62 and have spent the better part of my life in therapy. It helps. I used to think no one would lie about abuse, but now I know that is untrue. Johnny was a main culprit in destroying Josh's life. Johnny, in my opinion, is a very damaged person. He is acting like a jilted lover more than a victim. I hope he gets the help he so desperately needs.
It really looks like Johnny had a big crush on Josh and got rejected. Then a few years pass and he views this as an opportunity to get revenge on Josh.
So I have been thinking this for awhile now. The anger he spews is like a rejected ex . This man is actually scary.
@@Tracylyn42 I’d always assumed he had a crush on Johnny but I hadn’t considered that he was doing this whole thing as revenge until Swoop made her video
god bless you
i always felt like he was just 'happy to be here' kind of thing - he wanted to increase his role in this whole mess, he wanted to paint himself as a bigger victim than he is, just to gain some momentary 'fame'.
Even just hearing Ethan say “Trish” and not “Trisha” somehow fills me with SOOO much nostalgia, I hope they can publicly be friends at some point again because truly that podcast got me through co-vid
Ethan deserves not to go through that toxicity again, let the man be happy
@@eleruces7722true!
i don't think trisha is capable of having a stable or healthy friendship with most people if anyone, unfortunately. i hope the future proves me wrong cause she does have a good heart most times
olivia is so good at her job she always brings it!!
Ridiculous the “he was young”. He’s a POS no matter the age
Easy Ethan is changing
Yeah, Ethan really needs some help:/ it's sad Olivia has to try and teach him how awful some of it is and spell it out
@@600wheelhah 😂 "changing", sure..
I think hes sceptical, idk young people do really stupid things that they regret, even tho they know these are bad. Brain developes till 25 and there was a power dynamic which doesnt make anything right but it definitely caused some of bad behaviour (and also boys are raised to be less sensitive and to objectify women - thats what i think about sending these nudes). I think where he really failed is now that his completely an adult, he has really bad takes and doesnt admits to his wrongdoings and it shows what kind of a person he is. His young self was shitty but there could be some maturing to do there but his 30 something adult self sounds narcissistic. Also, idk how old he was in these chats with minors, if he groomed or turned a blind eye to grooming its unexcusable
Idk i just think ethan is sceptical especially because these allegations are really serious but later hes not so sceptical after olivia explained the whole documentary, Thats just my opinion
After watching Swoops video, I still wonder whether or not Colleen had a hand in this. From the way Johnny barely talked about her in a negative light, to the timing of everything. Colleen just got exposed for her behavior, but it suddenly became muddied up with the apology video, and now this???
Johnny acts like he's above everyone, but it's clear that he's deeply insecure and is desperate for the approval of others.
Colleen has a history of going after Josh and is clearly manipulative, and I wouldn't be surprised if she encouraged Johnny's crush, or manipulated him into doing this now. She has a history of deflecting from responsibility, and the fact that Johnny had specifically chosen details from Colleen's other victims and heavily emphasized that he had chosen to speak up to help amplify everyone else's story is suspicious as hell. He could have easily made some stuff up but didn't. He's clearly a groomer, and the fact that he worked with Colleen and her family for years should raise even more red flags.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think he did this just for the audience's attention. Colleen has always been controlling, her first attempt at controlling the narrative through her apology video didn't work. The next logical step would be to muddy the waters in an attempt to silence everyone else.
If Johnny lies about his experiences using details from other people's accounts, who would believe them? If he wanted attention, he could have made something up. Doing that would allow him the opportunity to go into detail and come up with something believable. If his goal was just attention, why didn't he take the time to flesh out a more believable story? The only details he gave were surface level, and it was bound to fall apart.
Based on the efforts he took to do this in the first place, I have a hard time believing that he didn't know things would go down like this. In between his intimidation tactics and muddying up the story overall, the only person who benefits from this at the end of the day isn't Johnny, but Colleen herself. Johnny seems to care more about getting attention than giving off a good image, and I don't see a reason that he would intentionally put himself in this situation and throw his other "friends" under the bus unless he got something from it.
He already had his own fans and didn't have any controversy until now. Why would he risk that? He was clearly hurt by Josh's actions and it wouldn't be hard for Colleen to manipulate him into doing this.
This is interesting. Jonny came “forward” before the “apology video”. But it could have been Colleen’s idea for him to distract from her. I hope it was just for show on Jonny’s side but like I can see Colleen manipulating him.
i was thinking the same. also Colleen hated Josh. Steve Green who used to be friends with them talked about it in a Jk News video. He said something a long the lines of when Josh would go to the bathroom Colleen would talk the most ish on Josh. So he (steve) was not surprise that mean girl stuff would come up on Colleen
@@tonipalmieri4100 Yeah, exactly. The relationship between her and Josh were toxic and she clearly held animosity towards him. Based on her behavior, it wouldn't surprise me if she still held on to that hate until now and chose to "encourage" Johnny to get the heat off of her. There's no way for her to defend herself so having a bad actor sneak in to delegitimize those speaking up against her while also taking the heat off of herself in the form of a red herring would be the next logical step. I also noticed this was around the time that people's focus was extending towards the rest of her family, as they had shown instances of inappropriate behavior as well. Having someone suddenly pop up with accusations about her ex husband is the perfect distraction. In the video they talked about how Johnny was intimidating some of the people Colleen hurt, and I can't help but feel like he had an ulterior motive behind it. Even if he wanted to become the face of the story, why stomp on everyone else to get it? There is a chance that I'm wrong and he's just narcissistic, but his end goal was unsustainable, and he had to have known that. We know that Colleen's inner circle is full of gr*omers, we know that Johnny is (allegedy) the same way, and we know that he was in contact with her and the family for several years. The fact that he was the one to blow the whistle knowing his background leads me to believe that there is likely more to the story. It's too much of a coincidence to be dismissed in my opinion.
You’d be surprised how a narcissist’s brain works. It’s all about him. Everyone else is wrong. He’s a clout chaser. I honestly don’t think Colleen is smart enough to make him do what he did. If anything Johnny might say Colleen made him do it which would be another lie.
@@Misunao23 You could be right, people don't always act logically. I do think he's a narcissist overall, but the specific ways that he went about things seemed odd to me if his goal was to only get attention. It would have been just as easy to focus on Colleen, but he only used her as a crutch in his story. Seeing as he worked with her, he could have easily had stories on her as she did little to hide her depraved behavior. I think it's possible that he did it for his own purposes, but he could have also been encouraged to do it
I watched Swoops video yesterday and wow... It's so important to call out people the way she did, she gained a new subscriber from me 👏🏼
i was gonna say i aint gonna watch a 4 hour video, but i do that everytime with h3
fr 💀💯
It's absolutely worth watching
It doesn’t feel like 4 hours to be honest! I wanted more… Swoop makes it easy to watch. Worth watching 👍🏾
@mjgiani3944 Swoop always keeps her docs engaging and informative. I agree 💯 that it didn't feel like it was as long as it was. Swoop is the G.O.A.T. of YT documentaries!!
Lmao fr
I'm a teacher and we do have ways for our students to send messages to us online. But it's platforms where the school administrators have admin control and can see all communication if they want to. I would never allow contact with a student through regular social media and everyone I work with would deny friend requests from students. It would be unprofessional and at least to me I don't necessarily want my students to have too much knowledge about my personal life.
very true when i was in school a lot of the kids would search up the teachers on social media and send them friend request.. even as a kid i told people that was extremely weird to do cause teachers have their own private life. it got so bad that everyone ended up finding out one of our female teachers was married to a woman and the kids started bullying her about it and made her cry.
my teachers only let people follow them after graduation, and I'm in high school. Majority of my middle school teachers only let us follow their public "professional" accounts. Even so, it's insane how differently we view Internet personalities than any one else.
@@jules6578this is what one of my HS History teachers did. Still friends to this day almost 10 years later
I know that grooming doesn’t always have to centre around a sexual interest but the red flag for me with Johnny accusing Trent was that clearly in Oliver’s story, Trent was into little girls. Oliver was groomed “romantically” (hate that term as it suggests something positive, but I’m drawing blanks on other words rn) pre-transition when Trent believed Oliver was a little girl and was clearly put out by the idea of Oliver struggling with his gender identity. Trent didn’t want him to identify as male. Johnny is a strange individual, there’s a real culture of wanting to struggle and be a victim these days, it’s a way of garnering attention for a lot of young folk and it’s wild to me.
Just a PSA: it’s really easy not to be in DMs/chat rooms with minors.
As someone who works with children you’re taught not to be alone with the student and if you HAVE to have private communication then they’re meant to be brief and be related to their studies
They don't seem to realize we all know that they wouldn't be in there unless they wanted to be. It's not a hard choice, your only thought to the matter should be a resounding no. Plus Ive heard my son and his friends talk, I want zero part of that.
It's sad that any interaction between an adult and a minor is almost automatically suspect. I understand why, there are far too many creeps out there, but it's disappointing that kids arent getting healthy interactions with adults.
Kids should have enough trustworthy adults in their lives that they can recognize when someone acting inappropriately
I had several wonderful mentors as a minor and was never once put in danger or taken advantage of. I wish more kids got that.
my take on adult-child friendships is this: if the adult feels the need at ANY POINT to be unwilling to share every single last aspect and exchange between themselves and the kid with the kid’s legal guardians or one of the kid’s trusted adults in their immediate inner circle, the relationship should not exist. period. you as an adult should not feel comfortable being the only adult who can witness and make judgement calls about how you’re interacting with that kid. if at ANY POINT something “needs” to be kept a secret, sexual or not sexual, from other adults in the child’s life or their guardians, the relationship is inappropriate. period.
the crazy part is Johnny was accusing Josh and Josh shared all the mesgs w Swoop, but Johnny altered them when he sent his to her bc his side was very stalker vibes. he would send so many mesgs to Josh and Josh just seemed like he was responding once in a while to pacify Johnny, but none of the mesgs were inappropriate.
An adult van be friends with a kid, but it can’t be anywhere on the same level of friendship as between two adults. Adults can depend and confide in each other, a child is under no sircumstances be put in a position where an adult depends and confides in them. An adult’s job is to be a safe person for a child to turn to, not the other way around.
Yes, I think that the most important thing that usually exists in relationships that include children, assuming that the adult is not messed up or abusive, is that the adult will still make sure that there are some boundaries (even without telling them) and things that the other party should not be exposed to, no matter what. I used to play online games that younger kids also played, and if I knew their age, I made sure to keep it appropriate, to the game, and try to set a good example when I can.
I don't agree with saying any interaction is crime. It can be friendly but the adult gotta be honest and super aware with themselves and the limits and care about the kid being a kid.
As a teacher, although I care about all of my students, they are never my friends or people that I would have any sort of contact with outside of school. The same should apply for other coaches, mentors, etc. Share your information, some encouragement, and move on.
I watched Swoop's video and it's really worth the watch. Watch it on 2x speed, break it up into parts but it is worth watching the whole thing. It really is worth watching the whole thing to get the truth b/c she gets to the bottom of the situation.
I hate to ask that but its hard for me to pay attention sometimes, is it cover stuff we’ve already heard or is worth listening to to get extra context? If that makes sense lol
i love her videos too i dont mean that in a hateful way just wondering if its worth watching if you watched a ton of videos covering this lol
@@Janm-2just watch the video, it’s not hard to pay attention.
@@Janm-2It’s pretty entertaining and covering new information. Spoilers, but basically Johnny manipulated his information and is lying about being groomed just to get some clout. He’s even made the actual victims switch up their stories so he looks the best out of all of them.
@@seabass-nj2qbactually it's very hard for some people to pay attention and maintain that attention for long periods. Especially if they have ADHD or something similar
Hold the phone are we now victim blaming people for 'staying' AKA like not knowing you have a choice because you have been so manilpulated into feeling like your only worth is *with* that garbage? For really real? Thaaaaats wild.
yes “they fucked around and found out” 😭 it’s insane.
@@twocathome399 My jaw dropped. Like how do you believe something like that, let alone SAY IT OUT LOUD ON THE INTERNET?!
TEXTBOOK victim blaming. i dont understand why he said so much nonsense without a pause
Is this comment trying to minimize Johnny's psychopathy?the issue isn't that he stayed or was awful during his tenure with colleen.. it's everything he's done in the months following.
@JW-lr8sd They're talking about Josh staying with Colleen not Johnny
johnny's take on the abuse portion of the marriage is so gross to me. it's genuinely horrifying. "he fcked around and found out" jail time. how can you say that? how is that okay ever? so gross, disgusting, repulsive, and horrendous. THE "idc if he was a victim" HOW??? HOW DO YOU SAY THIS AND NOT BLINK???? the whole thing about having all this time to say anything about it is baffling. his brain works on frequencies and levels that need to be studied so that no one can think on them. its like jaw-dropping.
its not that hard to connect the dots, johnny was clearly in love with josh and is holding a grudge against him, so he is obviously speaking out of hate and wants the worst for him
@@chikensaregood9500 youre absolutely right. there is no other idk tangible reason other than the fact that johnny was in love with josh and wants him literally ruined for not being with johnny. coming for someones abuse like that is 1) crazy and 2) personal af. this whole thing is coming from a place of hatred after being rejected.
He said it all and grinned from ear to ear.
@@annavictrix he’s evil
Ethan is looking good man! He’s loosing weight and looks healthy
yes! so proud of him! especially now that another baby is on the way :-)
Just a friendly reminder that you don't have to be skinny to be healthy. The association of thinness with health is very, very, harmful to many people for many reasons... like people with ED, those losing weight due to cancer or other conditions, people losing weight due to dangerous addictions, or people who can't be thin due to genetics or epigenetics.
@@fighttheevilrobots3417oh shut... up...
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Swoops video is so worth the watch. Didn’t know who she was and I loved the way she broke everything down. Johnny is…so unbelievably wrong for what he did and I’m so glad she and her team called him out the way they did. He deserves every bit of it.
Johnny rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning. And his activity on Twitter after being on the podcast was ridiculous. Obvious clout-chasing, silly accusations that were baseless and out of proportion from reality.
John*
When I was 15 years old, in the Kpop community a lot of older people would approach us for the events, choreographers for a song etc. I remember there was a huge gap between us the girls and the adults who where 24-30 at that time for some reason we all thought because of tv shows movies, etc, that it was cool to date an older guy. This guy was 24 at that time and I was turning 17, we dated 2 months, I remember we always said that it was obvious who was still a virgin the way they would dance meaning the minors, now that I’m 29 years old I see no way why would I date someone in their teens, is so sick, even being friends I see no logic, specially because they would pretend to be our mentors kinda more like friends, older brother type. A year ago I texted this guy staying, her it was really messed up how you groomed me, no I understand better everything and how gave me such a low esteem him comparing me to older woman. This guy freaked out, apologize and blocked me. He is now a dad, has a step daughter and he is a teacher dancer….
Johnny is behaving like someone who learned a new word and can’t stop using it. He’s clearly very insecure, lost and is looking for validation in all the wrong ways. I hope being called out like this will help him snap out of it so he can move towards improving himself.
I say I’m not gonna watch the 3-4 hour videos but then the highlights always leave me wanting more so I immediately watch the full length after I watch the highlights 😂
I didn't think I would watch the 4 hour video and I watched it twice. It was that good.
i wasn’t expecting ethan to go “what’s the nice word??” for mentally underdeveloped and/or neurodivergent, pleasant surprise
crazy - watched yall stream this, like 3ish hrs? so much content in here the highlight could only be cut down to an hour that's wild to me. thank yall for coverin this with the care yall have
In one of Swoops clips he said him and Josh didn’t know eachother on an intimate level then he said they did know eachother on an intimate level
he made tons of contradictory statements in his interviews
Yes he did
I watched Swoop's deep-dive and it was worth watching every minute. And now I am watching this too! The story is WILD.
Swoop did not make the Ghlisane Maxwell comparison, somebody on twitter did and Swoop referred to the tweet and also shows it on screen.
this whole thing is sickening but i'm glad swoop is finally getting the recognision she deserves. she's always done top grade work on her docs and i'm glad that integrity, throughfullnes and quality are now associated with her name in this sphere
Olivia is my absolute favorite! She talks about everything I care about!!!
Why do I get the feeling he had a thing for Joshua?
Watching him talk over everyone in the og h3 interview was so painful
If Ethan and Hila can't talk about things about Trish in a more unbiased way don't talk about her at all. She is a victim in this case. Johnny wanted to force Trish to talk by embarrassing her. I don't understand why Ethan can't show any sympathy towards her. I get it you don't like her, hut then just don't talk about her.
Edit: Also, the photos were behind a paywall don't from google.
Yeah I agree
100%. there's no room for bias regarding something serious like this
I have watched all the Swoop docs and I really learned a lot. It deeply saddens me that these kids were stuck in this web of Colleen. This was also a great discussion. I learned a lot here too. I am curious how Colleen's sister who is also very popular and how her brother and sister-in-law who has a family channel are fairing I from all this.
I am a teacher. I teach online. I have an Instagram and a Tic Tok. I am also on Facebok. I do not accept friend request from students or children. I actually ask my students not to follow me and will unsubscribe them if I do catch it.
my heart goes out to the high people watching trying to understand the Johnny Appleseed tangent 💔
I COULD NOT WAIT FOR YOU GUYS TO COVER THIS
Thank you for wrestling with the idea of appropriateness of relationships with minors. We need adults with integrity to provide mentorship and support and I dont want it presented in a way that every adult that is helping minors is a groomer. I think there are many differences with groomers that mentors. Groomers want it secret and private. DMs and online are often secret and lack transparency. I love what was said about with a celebrity there is a greater ability to manipulate as well there isnt a depth of relationship building . Also, common sense says that if you are having age inappropriate conversations and are sharing personal information with minors...it isnt an appropriate relationship. As a psychologist, I believe teens really do need mentors and support, but CZcams celebrities are not mentors. I think that is what Johnny was wanting from Josh and because Josh actually didnt meet the expectations Johnny had, he is now annihilating Josh.
Only H3 can talk about such a serious situation and have multiple comedic moments. This podcast is perfect when I want to get away from life by learning about something interesting and laugh!! I feel Ethan is a controversial figure on the internet, but he's always funny.
I think that’s part of the beauty of comedy and using it to discuss dark things. Makes it a lot easier for some people to digest uncomfortable topics that SHOULD be talked about
I absolutely ADORE that Swoop is getting talked about and recognized for her hard work and dedication to finding out as many facts from as many points of view about the subjects she covers in her docs. She is just the absolute best. She calls herself Swoop, but Scoop would be more accurate, even if not as adorable. Just have mad, mad respect for Miss Spanky Valentine!
Johnnie gives fatal attraction vibes towards Josh.
Exactly! 💯
It's crazy how well Swoop is keeping her face unreactive to the utter bullshit this man is spewing, especially since it clearly upset her when she recapped it.. mad respect because I would not have been able to do that
I’m 25 minutes in and my opinion is that he’s trying to use “exposing Colleen” as an excuse to exploit Trisha again, he’s done it multiple times now, doesn’t matter that he showed evidence. He admitted to exploiting her beforehand and he did it again… bruhhh
In my opinion grooming is when it's a hurtful relationship, if a 15 yo and a 22 yo are playing online games together and chatting about animals I don't think that's inappropriate. I met people in gaming communities where a 25 yo was helping a middle schooler WITH HOMEWORK and more kids joined the vc to learn, it was wholesome bro.
I'm currently 21 and have had a casual online chatting relationship about TV shows we like with a man much, much older than me since I was 16 or 17. The relationship was never inappropriate. It really couldn't be since he's gay, and I am female. But relationships between older and younger people are definitely possible! We shouldn't limit real friendships based on age.
@@pandaonsteroids5154 definitely, some people can be really good mentors, friends, role models etc to minors. All you need is boundaries.
Yeah, grooming is the systematic removal of boundaries in order to gain access and control. Like bringing up sexual topics to increase the child’s comfortability with it. Ignoring Johnny’s DMs, having coffee with him in public, and not picking him up from the airport when he asked for a ride at the last minute before Joshua had to go on stage… is not it.
I had a great friendship with the guy next door when I was a kid. He was in his 20's and became a family friend and come over for breakfast and dinner a lot. I would wander the neighbourhood from when I was 4 years old and would often knock on his door early in the morning. Sometimes I woke him up and he would be like I'm going to back to sleep and I'd sleep on the bed with him until he woke up. People would think that's creepy but he never did anything inappropriate. He knew me since I was a baby but moved away to another city when I was 8.
I think the no minors n adults interacting is an extremely hard segregation when a lot of onlinr co-ops are completely random. Personally I also thinks it encourages our society from removing kids from public spaces unless they're in their child designated areas. The actual solution to combat groom and child sa is to educate the public on what it is, what to look for and what appropriate conversations/boundaries look like.
I’ve only ever watched when Olivia is presenting. She’s incredible! Give her a raise… maybe her own show!
She’s very biased and she’ll have to correct the record on an inaccuracy in her Selena Gomez and Hailey Beiber video.
at this point I could totally see him not being a grooming victim and just making stuff up for the attention. The way he keeps diminishing other's experiences and trying to make it sound like he went through the worst of it is so bizarre.
Swoop is one of the best reporters on this app! I am so happy her efforts and videos are getting the recognition they deserve, as well as her team, they all work so hard!!
I love that we are highlighting a youtuber who's really out here doing all she can to make a difference. Those 4 hours did not feel like 4 hours. I was so engrossed and honestly ENRAGED. She really is doing the good work.
I think some of Swoop's characterization of Johnny was a little over the top, but she generally comes hard when someone wrongs her. I wish she didn't go over the same points multiple times from different angles, BUT I respect that it's her content and she and her team worked hard. I'm glad she caught on to all of that. I think many saw Johnny as unreliable but wouldn't question him due to the circumstances. To me, he's a little Colleen. He learned from her and has never gotten over not getting what he wanted from Josh and he took all of the tricks he learned from her and put it to effective use.
I think Swoop nailed it perfectly. It was never about going after him because he wronged her. It was about noticing his inconsistencies and seeing it for what it was once he told on himself. Someone that can't stop talking will eventually let truths slip out. He lied, then was interviewed, and ended up not only telling on himself because he loves to hear himself speak but also was shown to be a garbage human by revealing the truth
I feel like i could understand why Swoop would characterize him the way she did. Alot of what Johnny said was insensitive and inappropriate to say to a survivor of SA an DV.
Yeah i agree with this comment... Like in no way do I back Johnny but calling him a devil in the title was a strong word choice... I feel like leech, like she said later on, is a more accurate representation
@noyaok123 The title was for clicks and the algorithm. It's a long video so you have to reel interest in from the rip.
@@WookieWomanthisss ppl don’t realize why CZcamsrs have to do this, swoop is queen and this guy needs to be known for what he has said so lightly about victims of SA DV.
H3 is prolly the only podcast I can actually sit thru.. unless someone I'm interested in goes on someone's podcast I might watch it or if there's drama and I wanna see the podcast for myself, I have a really picky attention span and can never finish the whole show. But fot some reason h3h3 always draws me in and I stay locked lmao. Keep up the awesome work! Always a strong supporter of Ethan and his wife !❤
Swoop is incredible. She comes with receipts. I have to watch her videos in pieces, but they are always so well done.
I have a feeling Colleen is paying him to drag Josh so bad, like this is her trynna take some heat off herself
The thing about Josh not coming out about it until now isn’t entirely true though either! He’s been very upfront on the internet about his struggles with alcoholism and even if he didn’t get into the details publicly, the vibes were definitely there that he was processing and healing from a bad time in his life (aka being with Colleen). Victims shouldn’t NEED to talk so publicly about their experiences with DV.
Only thing I’ll say is that Swoop does her homework. She’s pretty intense about the truth.
bro, I remember our weirdest student, Mr. Foisy, he would friend everyone on Facebook, text students, but the worse is that he would call us out in class about our posts, just stalking our profiles to say something, ''one girl put a picture of her saying I love soccer nigga'' he just showed it in class, and lectured her on not saying the word because it could be offensive, just crazy situation all over
it made me happy to see ethan catch himself and ask “what’s the nice word?” ☺️
Swoop said in the doc that those 2 victims said they were scared of Johnny.
I wish Ethan would actually watch the whole video himself and THEN do a podcast on it…
I get what you’re saying, but I think it’s more interesting to watch someone realize what you already know in real time
watching H3H3 requires the level of patience reserved for third grade mathes teachers
Okay I see you Ethan, glow up! Keep up the good work everyone, Olivia’s slides are next level 🙏🏼
SWOOOOOOOOP 💙 I'm a full time working mum but I pulled an all nighter to watch her documentary and it was BRILLIANT! It didn't feel that long, it was so in depth, fucking AMAZINGLY presented (as always) and they did so much unbelievable behind the scenes detective work. It is most definitely worth the watch and WE STAN SWOOP 💙
We love you guys too 🤘🏻
Swoop Is amazing ❤
Swoop is a top tier CZcamsr! Please let this build her up more! she puts in the work
Something that keeps coming to mind is that this level of many to many communication we have because of social media is so new to us as human beings. Hank Green talked about it once, we legitimately are not good at it. Hard to find the balance between holding accountability but also recognizing there probably wasn’t malicious intent?
Wow. I’m a abuse survivor and he said basically I effed around and found out. Omg. That dude is delusional
It absolutely breaks my heart that some will walk away from this thinking “well, adults and minors are incapable of having appropriate relationships”
Active role models are SO important! When I was a minor, I was ostracized by most of my peers, and my teachers were often my best friend in the room. If I had been THEIR best friend, THAT would’ve been inappropriate. It’s up to the adult to set boundaries firmly and to make it clear that they are not a peer.
When the power imbalance is too great, or if it becomes muddied, that’s when it becomes dangerous.
This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree, I know this is a very sensitive subject and many do not share my experiences.
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Well done Swoop! She has been doing amazing docs for the loooongest!
When i was trying to understand the colleen ballinger thing for some reason i came across johnnys videos first and was like confused about how certain things (particularly the things about josh) were anything more than a lack of clear boundaries and a good idea of how a youtuber should separate himself from his audience.
im happy you are talking about it because the Swoop video was AMAZING she did an INCREDIBLE job
I’m only a few minutes in and “my eyes are amber shit fuck” has me cackling
I havent finished the video yet but why is Ethan being weirdly defensive for Johnny
Thank you!!! I got that vibe the whole video
that was mostly toward the beginning, it stops as the info gets worse and worse. to me, it just came off as Ethan not wanting to quickly turn on an alleged abuse victim. theres a lot of firmly placed bias in this situation, bias against colleen/josh and bias towards the victims (including johnny). i dont see the initial defensiveness as anything more than ethan wanting to give as much benefit of the doubt as possible to johnny, as is natural.
I think Ethan is also trying to be as partial as possible because of what happened during Olivia’s last PowerPoint
Yeah, but I think it’s just Ethan being careful
Yeah I see yalls points. And I also had hindsight to the situation.
her comparing them to ghislaine maxwell and jeffrey epstein was in the same category as him saying sexual grooming is worse than sexual assault.
this is hardly even grooming ngl…
Idk but Olivia is way to invested imo with this Colleen thing
How many of us listen to H3H3 while we are at work doing a job we don’t like ?? 😂❤
Swoop is amazing and I'm really glad she's getting more exposure. She puts everything she has into her documentaries.
Re: the question about can adults and children have relationships: I’m a professional classical musician and we come up through a series of mentorships and often get very close with our teachers. It’s similar to children who grow up athletes and get close with their coaches. I also teach now and have taught kids at various points in my career. My kids sometimes clearly needed a big sibling and I always made myself available if they had problems at home or with friends or needed any guidance, as my teachers always did that for me and sometimes that’s the only good adult role model you have. My main teacher in high school was a very important parental figure in my life and that relationship was hugely important for me.
The very important part is my students and my teachers (when I was a child) are NOT MY FRIENDS. my students never had my personal phone number, I didn’t talk to them about the intimate details of my life, if they asked I told them it wasn’t appropriate. I would never interact with any of them on social media.
Because I was the adult in this situation, it was always my responsibility to make sure my kid was safe when they were with me. That meant making sure we had healthy boundaries.
It’s possible, you just have to care about doing things right.
3:09 JOSHUA DON'T GO ON THIS SHOW! THEY WILL NOT DO YOU JUSTICE! STAY WITH YOUR SWOOP INTERVIEW!