I was 12 when LA Olympics, I remember this and also, the movie about Nadia was on local TV, and we were having basics of gymnastics at school, what a time!
I remember this like it was yesterday. Mary Lou was a burst of joy and light; she accomplished more than winning the gold medal, she won our hearts forever more. Thank you, Mary Lou. God be with you now and please get well.
Mary Lou must have received bonus points on her floor routine, or the judges were blind as bats because she had hops on her landings on her second and last passes. Should not have been a 10.0 score. But who am I. I’ve only been coaching for 45 years so what do I know.
It sounds like Cathy absoloutely hates commentating with this guy lol, and I love that when he tries to simplify something or make it sound easy, she's always advocating for the gymnasts and pointing out how difficult the sport is.
MLR was definitely overscored on that floor routine...two very obvious mistakes that were overlooked...never should have been a 10...Szabo was the true all around champion in 1984...i will die on this hill ❤❤
I agree! Even as a proud American, I gotta give it to Szabo. IMO, she was far superior to MLR in all aspects of gymnastics with the exception of explosive power. I find it fitting that Katia went on to win 3 of the 4 event finals!
I don’t think in a good way though. “Artistic” should be removed from in front of gymnastics. IT’s tumbling only now and lack of artistry. However I do have a huge respect for the athletes…just miss the unique grace and creativity of old gymnastics. It’s just robotic and thumping boring scoring and choreography now.
My love of gymnastics started when I was 6 watching this! Loved Mary Lou but also Julianne and Kathy Johnson too! They don’t get enough credit. This started the US boom of gymnastics here! My favorite gymnasts of all time are: Nadia, Mary Lou, Olga K (that bars omg), E. Mukina 😢, Christy Philips (beam), Elena S (RIP 😢), Daniela Silivas,Svetlana boginskaya, Shannon Miller and I really admire Oksana Chusovitina who is literally almost 50 and has competed in 8 OLYMPICS! In my opinion…she’s the GOAT 🎉by far in longevity! Simone of course is amazing…but I prefer the more artistic gymnastics.
Le boum de la gymnastique a été déclenché aux États Unis quand Márta et Béla Károlyi ont pris en main l’équipe nationale américaine. Parmi les protégées de Béla Károlyi se trouvent la célèbre gymnaste Nadia Comăneci, ainsi que Mary Lou Retton (première Américaine à obtenir la médaille d'or olympique au concours général), Betty Okino, Kerri Strug, Dominique Moce …
The night that this happened, I went to bed after working most of the day. I was told the next morning, that Mary Lou won by my Father. I still kick myself for not seeing this when it did happen, but I watched the replay. The Olympics are the Greatest Sporting Event in my eyes, and this moment has to be one of the Greatest Moments in Olympic/Sporting History.
Rusty Bear me too! I was rooting for Ecaterina, I loved her demure and discreet behavior. Very serious. Retton was more excited but the audience was hers anyway. And the scoring was so generous at the time: they gave away 9.9 and 10 like leaflets.
Gran regalo para esta atleta Mary Lou Retton, las calificaciones altisimas para ella y hasta el caer mal y lesionarse y ganar , como se vio que estaban en Estados Unidos
Szabo watched MLR's FX routine from the vault runway. You can see her at the beginning talking to her teammate and watching at 38:40 and then alone at 39:40. What you don't see in this footage but is available in others online is that she applauded for Mary Lou Retton when she finished.
Gymnasts in general seem to have sportsmanship. If you watch Silivas in the beam final in 85 worlds you see Shushunova watching her intently and applauding when she hits her skills.
That would definitely have been true in the men's competition, but perhaps not in the women's. The Romanians were always right up there and even in quality with the Russians.
I think Mary Lou was definitely a powerhouse, even for years to come she would’ve been considered powerful. But I think it’s obvious she wouldn’t have won had USSR not boycotted. It wasn’t half as an exciting games as it should’ve been with the absence of the USSR. Szabo was fantastic but I felt like she got away with a lot of low landings etc and Mary got away with obvious steps on the floor and a jump back on her front flip on FX.
If the USSR had been there the whole event would have been tainted with biases scoring and unfair favoritism. The competition was MORE enjoyable because the team who had the judging in their pockets wasn’t there to spoil things. You show your lack of respect for a truly deserving champion, one who earned her gold medal the same as those who came before and after You mention the hip and such for Mary Lou but seem to forget in 1988 the number of 10’s handed out that were in no way perfect.
Tens back then seemed to be handed out like candy bars. Mary Lou was truly brilliant, so ahead of her time. No one should ever consider this gold to be anything less just because of the boycott.
@@jmorg044 she wasn't so ahead of her time but her double layout on floor and her layout full tsukahara on vault could still be used to win titles for years after, I don't think k she was necessarily ahead, but her skills could still be used for years to come
Love her but that routine shouldn’t have been a 10. The landing on the last pass was low and she went forward and the front tuck on the second pass she went backwards on the landing but she’s still amazing and such a great leader for others! Inspirational
Times were different back then, with lower judging standards. If you look for perfection, and in particular, expect to see stuck landings because a routine officially scored a 10, you will find flaws. It all began with Nadia Comaneci, who scored the first 10 in Olympic history with her compulsory bar routine -- despite failing to stick her dismount (she slid slightly on her landing). If it were any other gymnast at another time, she would have been deducted for that flaw. As it was, gymnastics scores became highly inflated after that: in the 1980's, judges were handing out 10s like candy bars.
@@traceytillman7453 Gymnastics competitions are typically won by fractions of a point: when you have a narrow margin of victory, there will always be naysayers who insist that the wrong athlete won. That's what you can expect when it comes to a sport where the judging is subjective.
I'm not saying I disagree with this comment, I agree she took steps but Szabo also took steps on her beam dismount though it was less noticeable than Mary Lou on floor, they scored differently back then
In the new life rule Szabo would have won. Overall she gave the better performance. Even with the form breaks she was better overall. An unfortunate fall in Bars cost her the all around. Still an unbeatable haul with 4 golds and a silver (even better than Biles 2016 performance).
If MLR had been properly deducted for putting her hand down during optional floor, Szabo would have won also. And if the Soviets hadn't boycotted, neither of them would have won 😅.
@@jmorg044 the medal haul was better. Of course the difficulty is of different levels as there is more than 30 years separating them. You're pretty stupid to not know the distinction.
I agree I know that is an unpopular opinion, but let’s face it if Ekaterina had not fallen on the bars she would have won. With that being said, Mary Lou was a very powerful gymnast, and had the best floor exercise at that time.
que hermoso recuerdo. Las caras de las termes, Mary Lou, Ecaterina y Simona. Las tres con un sentimiento distinto. Fue histórico y a pesar que fue discutido, fue una hermosa competencia.
Inoticed that Szabo's leg form was questionable - eg, in her beam dismount her legs were very splayed apart or 'cowboy'ed'...this should have been a deduction. Same thing in her FTDPB in her fllor exercise - again she splays her legs apart badly.
Do you have the interviews with the Reporter Diana Nyad to interview Nancy Hogshead and Carrie Steinseifer in Swimming for the 100m Freestyle? I would like ask to be uploaded.
53:36 Did you know what Bela did could have been a .30 penalty? Of course as the casters said, anything less than a ten and the spectators would have ripped the roof off of Pauley pavilion!
A win is a win at the end of the day. Mary Lou was ahead of all. With all her strength and force and elegance and energy and consistency. Impressive. Good job! These moments will live forever
I thought that stood the same back then. In '96, Phelps had beautiful handstands. Of course the scoring was different by then, but, the other girls didn't have those hs's as straight as hers. Maybe it was because of the difficulty level? Well, whatever the case, I agree with you 100%.
I was wondering why the strict Romanian coaches rationed and restricted their gymnasts' water intake but after hearing that male commenter announce every athlete's weight , I now can kind of understand why this was done. It's not like the gymnasts were wrestlers and had to "make weight " to compete in a lower weight class. And it's too bad that Cathy Rigby didn't admonish the other announcer for contributing to the future of eating disorders among such athlete's, especially because she suffered that same fate
They also did this in women's major beauty pageants. It's both bizarre and sad. A woman's weight is totally irrelevant, but yet, society made it relevant. Women have had to work that much harder to be taken seriously in their merits & accomplishments, when the world has reduced them to absurdly shallow body standards.
I'm so sick and tired about all the scandal they made about her winning on boycotted games. The stupid camera men were running here and there.Things would have turned out a lot different if everyone was there.The tens were out of control, the judges did not do a good job. Cathy Rigby was a poor commentator making it obvious how bias and critical she was to non American gymnasts. Not to mention the TV circus about her going back and forth to Bela outside the competitors area every time she did "good".
This was a period in gymnastics when the team compulsories and optionals counted in the final scores. Mary Lou Retton was given excessively high scores for all four compulsory routines (her form, toe point and amplitude on the simple skills left a lot to be desired) and her optional bar and beam routines were given an average of 9.8s, when they really deserved 9.6s/9.7s (at least her beam did). Her floor routine here was given a 10 with 2 visible errors and poor dance?! Yes, Ecaterina Szabo had a fall on bars (and she was hammered for it) during the team competition but she was valiant, came back with a vengeance and had substance in all her routines. Mary Lou fans point out her "cowboyed" double backs. She was deducted for it on floor. While the judges ignored Mary Lou's bent knees on bars, wavering on beam, landing mistakes on floor and "scoot" on her "perfect" 10. Ecaterina Szabo was the real Olympic champion.
Of course she was, she wasn’t American. God forbid any US athlete- then or now- would win. You people need to just knock off the American hatred, it was Romania and the USSR that ruined gymnastics for many years!
Zhou Ping from China and Mary Lou Retton both getting 9.80 for their balance beam routines spoke volumes of the blatantly absurd judging. Zhou was a lot more precise and had an exquisite acrobatic series. Mary Lou was choppy and had no real acrobatic series...and still lost her balance a couple of times?!
With the requirement to do an acro series only one of the elements had to have flight. So her step down to a back tuck would have been sufficient t meet the requirements. McNamara's BB score was the strange one.
I find it fascinating at the complete difference in Chinese gymnasts from this era to the next. They seemed to shrink in size and their gymnasts was on another level. Here, Ping is lackadaisical and boring to watch. A stark contrast to the Chinese talent in a few years to come.
It's obvious, even if the Russians had been there, that the US team had turned a corner at this point and was headed for greatness. I think Miller deserved the AA gold moreso in 92. I've watched that year's performances and she did better than the girl that won or Mary in this one. The biggest takeaway I think is that we started to see the pull away from danty gymnasts to stocky ones that dominate the sport today with Mary Lou Retton.
If Sesame Street Gymnast Deborah Eich-Romer joined Olympic Women's Gymnastics since 1972 to 1984, she might get gold, sliver, and bronze. I always think Deborah Eich-Romer from New York State is as excellent as Mary Lou Retton and Nadia Comaneci both together. Deborah is always a Perfect 10 to me.
I've been working at a haskap orchard for over 10 years now and your berries are not even to be ripe enough to make jam, you shouldn't be using that much sugar if they were lot more riper, there alright the way they are if want to make homemade wine 😉
10 for Szabo on BB and for Retton on Floor? Perfect performances? Does that mean they couldn't do better? The point system was really lacking at the time... they all scored between 9.8 and 10 regardless of the execution and the number of mistakes. It's not really a good way to emphasize quality when there's no room for distinction between decent, good, very good and excellent.
How come millions of people are watching these girls? I can do those tricks for fun when I am at the swimming pool and nobody wants to watch me do gymnastics, apparently. That's weird. What is going on?
Kathy Johnson loved her bar routine, me not so much. She would say horrible things about gymnasts after retiring. So, I’ll comment on her… it sucked! She didn’t make vertical on any of her handstands, lost momentum after release and bent her elbows many times.
Oh my word! Julianne McNamara looked stunned over her vault score. It was over-scored like crazy. Zsabo’s vault was far superior and scored lower. Ugh. And Julianneks beam shouldn’t have been higher than a 9.25 or 9.30. She got a 9.55. That’s insane. Mind you….I love Julianne. But the scoring sometimes is crazy!
Ecaterina sure was loving the American audience until she screwed up and lost. lmaooo Blowing kisses and prancing around waving. I found that hysterical, but Mary Lou standing higher than the two Romanians was a BEAUTIFUL sight to behold! :oP
You're proud of the tactless boos from the crowd, home field advantage and questionable scoring? That's precisely what led to MLR "winning" and flaunting her fake laugh and Bela acting like a clown. A sight to behold for people like you.
@@gaelgarciabernal2434 Szabo scored a 10.0 on floor the year earlier during the world championships. She clearly stepped out of line which was an automatic deduction from her score that was not taken. It did not go unnoticed by commentators who showed the video. To say that MLR received gifts here whereas other gymnasts such as Szabo did not in their career is absurd. There are countless examples of bizarre scores in the sport. What you claim here is nothing compared to others.
I mean wouldn’t you be sad if you just lost the gold medal !!!! She was obviously sad !! Why would she be blowing kisses and waving !! She just lost the gold medal ! That was taken from her by that unfair 10 on Mary Lou’s floor she clearly stepped out of the floor with one foot
Bela was a toxic narcissist and it showed from way back then. He only cared about himself. He could’ve cost Mary Lou the gold for violating the rules but he never cared about anyone but himself. And Mary Lou was used as a propaganda tool to lure in a generation of girls to be abused by Bela and Marta. Unfortunately Mary Lou was also responsible for endorsing that monster Bela and his toxic abuse. Let’s face it, Mary Lou was lucky that the Russian women, who were dominating the sport at that time, were not competing otherwise she would’ve had no chance at gold and a generation of girls would’ve been saved by the Karolyi abuse and subsequent Nassar abuse. Once the GOAT Simone Biles retires, this sport needs to die like women’s figure skating did in America after the Nancy/Tonya joke. The only good thing from all that was the incredible Margot Robbie
@@douglasraddi6788 Gogean is the biggest joke ever in the sport. She won gold medals with routines that had compulsory level difficulty for the time often. Her beam gold at the 97 worlds over sensational and super difficult routines from Kui Yuanyuan, Khorkina, and Teza remains the all time joke of the sport.
Agree 100% ...Szabo was robbed at these Olympics...Szabo was the true all around champion. Agree about Biles too...powerful athlete but not a esthetically pretty to watch but that goes for gymnastics in general. It's no longer artistic gymnastics...basically just power tumbling now....very sad to see what this once beautiful sport has morphed into.😢
+e2theeyepie I know right? I had some respect for the Romanians until I learned all the shit they tried to pull. Like trying to pass Ecaterina off as another girl in, what, 1980??
As usual an over-hyped yank takes the spoils at home. What did she do from there? Apart from TV appearances and adverts? Typical sugar-coated American idealism.
She competed another two years, retiring in 1986 at the age of 18. She went on to coach through 1992. She then married and raised four daughters, all of them collegiate gymnasts. She always saw her own gymnastics as one chapter in her life story; something that had a defined end-point and where her life would follow whatever path that emerges. And yes, I got to spend time with her two months after the Olympics when she came to visit a mutual friend during Homecoming week at WVU.
@@kcindc5539 HUH? What are you talking about. She competed in only ONE competition after the olympics which was just 6 months after the games at the 1985 American Cup in early 85 and THAT was her last competition. So NO she did NOT compete another two years..... You then say she went on to COACH thru 1992.... WHO? Never heard of her being a coach. At all really. Maybe did endorsements and motivational speeches for a fee but she was not a coach. And Skyla who is one of her daughters was NEVER a college gymnast. With all these fibs I find the rest of your story and ALL of it false!!. And I am an EXTREME follower of the sport since the early 80's so um ya. SMH
I was 12 when LA Olympics, I remember this and also, the movie about Nadia was on local TV, and we were having basics of gymnastics at school, what a time!
was the movie before olympics?
I remember this like it was yesterday. Mary Lou was a burst of joy and light; she accomplished more than winning the gold medal, she won our hearts forever more. Thank you, Mary Lou. God be with you now and please get well.
Nadia Comaneci and Malindi Elmore should go to prison for helping me become a crazy sex addict.
More even than that even. She lighted the way, I feel for all the champions who came behind her.
Mary Lou must have received bonus points on her floor routine, or the judges were blind as bats because she had hops on her landings on her second and last passes. Should not have been a 10.0 score. But who am I. I’ve only been coaching for 45 years so what do I know.
EXACTLY!!
Amazing quality. Thank you so much for posting this!
Is it just me or does Kathy Johnson do the same release I asked about in your Ricna video?
Love how they keep playing 'Eye of the Tiger' and the Rocky theme in the background. 😅 Rocky III was a massive movie year before...so makes sense. 😅
It sounds like Cathy absoloutely hates commentating with this guy lol, and I love that when he tries to simplify something or make it sound easy, she's always advocating for the gymnasts and pointing out how difficult the sport is.
MLR was definitely overscored on that floor routine...two very obvious mistakes that were overlooked...never should have been a 10...Szabo was the true all around champion in 1984...i will die on this hill ❤❤
I agree! Even as a proud American, I gotta give it to Szabo. IMO, she was far superior to MLR in all aspects of gymnastics with the exception of explosive power. I find it fitting that Katia went on to win 3 of the 4 event finals!
@@FigureNastics Absolutely fitting! 😊😊
Congrats, Mary Lou Retton becomes first American Women to win the gold medal and Olympic All-Around Champion in 1984.
It’s interesting to note how much women’s artistic gymnastics has evolved since then.
I don’t think in a good way though. “Artistic” should be removed from in front of gymnastics. IT’s tumbling only now and lack of artistry. However I do have a huge respect for the athletes…just miss the unique grace and creativity of old gymnastics. It’s just robotic and thumping boring scoring and choreography now.
Prayers for Mary Lou in 2023! I pray she recovers! She was my childhood hero and a big reason gymnastics boomed in the USA! Prayers
Wish they would go back to the old scoring system
My love of gymnastics started when I was 6 watching this! Loved Mary Lou but also Julianne and Kathy Johnson too! They don’t get enough credit. This started the US boom of gymnastics here!
My favorite gymnasts of all time are: Nadia, Mary Lou, Olga K (that bars omg), E. Mukina 😢, Christy Philips (beam), Elena S (RIP 😢), Daniela Silivas,Svetlana boginskaya, Shannon Miller and I really admire Oksana Chusovitina who is literally almost 50 and has competed in 8 OLYMPICS! In my opinion…she’s the GOAT 🎉by far in longevity! Simone of course is amazing…but I prefer the more artistic gymnastics.
Le boum de la gymnastique a été déclenché aux États Unis quand Márta et Béla Károlyi ont pris en main l’équipe nationale américaine.
Parmi les protégées de Béla Károlyi se trouvent la célèbre gymnaste Nadia Comăneci, ainsi que Mary Lou Retton (première Américaine à obtenir la médaille d'or olympique au concours général), Betty Okino, Kerri Strug, Dominique Moce …
The night that this happened, I went to bed after working most of the day. I was told the next morning, that Mary Lou won by my Father. I still kick myself for not seeing this when it did happen, but I watched the replay. The Olympics are the Greatest Sporting Event in my eyes, and this moment has to be one of the Greatest Moments in Olympic/Sporting History.
Kips were still a huge part of bars routines back then and now they are quite infrequent. Suni has done routines without any except at the mount.
Ekatarina Szabo was the best. The championship was stolen from her.
Memories! I remember watching this when I was 10
Rusty Bear me too! I was rooting for Ecaterina, I loved her demure and discreet behavior. Very serious. Retton was more excited but the audience was hers anyway. And the scoring was so generous at the time: they gave away 9.9 and 10 like leaflets.
That floor's color is beautiful!!!
so was juliannes bra
Such a great moment. Wanted to give Szabo a hug though. Poor kid.
Gran regalo para esta atleta Mary Lou Retton, las calificaciones altisimas para ella y hasta el caer mal y lesionarse y ganar , como se vio que estaban en Estados Unidos
Szabo watched MLR's FX routine from the vault runway. You can see her at the beginning talking to her teammate and watching at 38:40 and then alone at 39:40. What you don't see in this footage but is available in others online is that she applauded for Mary Lou Retton when she finished.
Were you in the arena? If so, you're very lucky.
@@Thebraids Nope. I watched at home
@@Thebraids 😭
so? im sure she was not applauding after vault! lol
Gymnasts in general seem to have sportsmanship. If you watch Silivas in the beam final in 85 worlds you see Shushunova watching her intently and applauding when she hits her skills.
Would have been a much different outcome if the Russian gymnasts had been there.
maybe, maybe not
That would definitely have been true in the men's competition, but perhaps not in the women's. The Romanians were always right up there and even in quality with the Russians.
Kerri Strugg and awesome Dawesome did the same thing in ‘96; beautifully. I love watching the double layouts.
Mary Lou Retton was the Gymnastics "Wonder Woman" of the 1984 Olympics!🇺🇲
Mary Lou such a powerhouse of energy and all American girl. Gold medal well deserved. Fun to watch again after so many years.
I love looking at the old time vault and beam. It's so interesting how the equipment has changed.
Any chance you can post the footage from both the compulsory and the optional rounds of the 1984 Olympics as well?!?!
I remember this this, when i was 1 yr old :D
naw betch nope
Mary lou retton olympics gymnastics all around miracle gold medalsists
I really love this arena
i had sex in it
Anyone except to see a wolf jump after the punch front on beam
1984年はロサンゼルスオリンピックの年でしたね!
Jim McKay R.I.P
How weird is it that Szabo has The Battle Hymn of the Republic as her floor music?
I think Mary Lou was definitely a powerhouse, even for years to come she would’ve been considered powerful. But I think it’s obvious she wouldn’t have won had USSR not boycotted. It wasn’t half as an exciting games as it should’ve been with the absence of the USSR. Szabo was fantastic but I felt like she got away with a lot of low landings etc and Mary got away with obvious steps on the floor and a jump back on her front flip on FX.
If the USSR had been there the whole event would have been tainted with biases scoring and unfair favoritism. The competition was MORE enjoyable because the team who had the judging in their pockets wasn’t there to spoil things. You show your lack of respect for a truly deserving champion, one who earned her gold medal the same as those who came before and after You mention the hip and such for Mary Lou but seem to forget in 1988 the number of 10’s handed out that were in no way perfect.
Nice to know. She's beat them before.. Ridicules comment
@@kimthreadgold2755 just saying the truth. I can’t help if you can’t handle it.
Mary Lou execution was blah no 180 degree on her split jumps , step backs szabo fir me
@@azbycx56 I disagree totally . The Russians would’ve dominated
Tens back then seemed to be handed out like candy bars.
Mary Lou was truly brilliant, so ahead of her time. No one should ever consider this gold to be anything less just because of the boycott.
How was she ahead .. I have to hear this
@@jmorg044 she wasn't so ahead of her time but her double layout on floor and her layout full tsukahara on vault could still be used to win titles for years after, I don't think k she was necessarily ahead, but her skills could still be used for years to come
Lou retton and davidova never deserved to be AA champions. Both were one competition wonders, never true champions.
@@stephanfourie6879 neither was your mom
@@JB-sg1vy No my mom never did gymnastics, you are right LOL!!!
Love her but that routine shouldn’t have been a 10. The landing on the last pass was low and she went forward and the front tuck on the second pass she went backwards on the landing but she’s still amazing and such a great leader for others! Inspirational
Times were different back then, with lower judging standards. If you look for perfection, and in particular, expect to see stuck landings because a routine officially scored a 10, you will find flaws. It all began with Nadia Comaneci, who scored the first 10 in Olympic history with her compulsory bar routine -- despite failing to stick her dismount (she slid slightly on her landing). If it were any other gymnast at another time, she would have been deducted for that flaw. As it was, gymnastics scores became highly inflated after that: in the 1980's, judges were handing out 10s like candy bars.
Not a Ten and never was. Two hops second pass and last one. Never impressed
Kati should have won
@@traceytillman7453 Gymnastics competitions are typically won by fractions of a point: when you have a narrow margin of victory, there will always be naysayers who insist that the wrong athlete won. That's what you can expect when it comes to a sport where the judging is subjective.
I'm not saying I disagree with this comment, I agree she took steps but Szabo also took steps on her beam dismount though it was less noticeable than Mary Lou on floor, they scored differently back then
Szabo had her errors as well but the right girl won that day.
I am Mary Lou’s age. I remembered in the 80s…we considered Mary Lou as being hefty. Lol. I can’t believe it. How things have changed.
my underwear also changed
In the new life rule Szabo would have won. Overall she gave the better performance. Even with the form breaks she was better overall. An unfortunate fall in Bars cost her the all around. Still an unbeatable haul with 4 golds and a silver (even better than Biles 2016 performance).
If MLR had been properly deducted for putting her hand down during optional floor, Szabo would have won also. And if the Soviets hadn't boycotted, neither of them would have won 😅.
Not better than biles Nawwww
@@jmorg044 the medal haul was better. Of course the difficulty is of different levels as there is more than 30 years separating them. You're pretty stupid to not know the distinction.
I agree I know that is an
unpopular opinion, but let’s face it if Ekaterina had not fallen on the bars she would have won. With that being said, Mary Lou was a very powerful gymnast, and had the best floor exercise at that time.
@@thesovgcTrue
Katy merita pt gratia ei aurul dar stim ca jocurile erau facute.🙏☘🌷
That was the same national anthem used at the 1996 Olympics crazy
que hermoso recuerdo. Las caras de las termes, Mary Lou, Ecaterina y Simona. Las tres con un sentimiento distinto. Fue histórico y a pesar que fue discutido, fue una hermosa competencia.
What does "las termes" mean ? Google is translating it to "termites" 😭😭😭
Uneven bars are now way better than back then
@@thesovgc I meant tres (3). Las caras de la tres. jajajaja
Inoticed that Szabo's leg form was questionable - eg, in her beam dismount her legs were very splayed apart or 'cowboy'ed'...this should have been a deduction. Same thing in her FTDPB in her fllor exercise - again she splays her legs apart badly.
I was thinking the same thing, the scoring standards were so different in the past
True but imagine the form deductions Retton should get on every event, except for possibly vault.
What a competitor
who...bela?
Goodness ! Zzabo was sooo good! She made her skills look like a walk in the park.
meh not really
Truth! That was an amazing routine.
Mary Lou Retton I hope nodody congratulate you Ekaterina vas the best
Lavinia Milosivici got credit for Zhou Ping's mount.
Ping's mount was breathtaking!
I was only 5 in 1984. I barely remember seeing any of this. I'm guessing a gymnast could score a 10 with hops on landings. Odd.
莎寶應該是金牌？
Do you have the interviews with the Reporter Diana Nyad to interview Nancy Hogshead and Carrie Steinseifer in Swimming for the 100m Freestyle? I would like ask to be uploaded.
Round of applause for Olga Mostepanova, the five time 1984 Olympic champion!
53:36 Did you know what Bela did could have been a .30 penalty? Of course as the casters said, anything less than a ten and the spectators would have ripped the roof off of Pauley pavilion!
What ?? Really! He jumped over the barrier??
A win is a win at the end of the day. Mary Lou was ahead of all. With all her strength and force and elegance and energy and consistency. Impressive. Good job! These moments will live forever
In today's games, the girls would have been penalized for not being completely vertical on those handstands
I thought that stood the same back then. In '96, Phelps had beautiful handstands. Of course the scoring was different by then, but, the other girls didn't have those hs's as straight as hers. Maybe it was because of the difficulty level? Well, whatever the case, I agree with you 100%.
I want to watch the team finals but cant find it
look in your underwear drawer
I was wondering why the strict Romanian coaches rationed and restricted their gymnasts' water intake but after hearing that male commenter announce every athlete's weight , I now can kind of understand why this was done. It's not like the gymnasts were wrestlers and had to "make weight " to compete in a lower weight class. And it's too bad that Cathy Rigby didn't admonish the other announcer for contributing to the future of eating disorders among such athlete's, especially because she suffered that same fate
They also did this in women's major beauty pageants. It's both bizarre and sad. A woman's weight is totally irrelevant, but yet, society made it relevant. Women have had to work that much harder to be taken seriously in their merits & accomplishments, when the world has reduced them to absurdly shallow body standards.
@@djm4854 Very well said!!!
懐かしいですね。今見ても観客はアメリカ贔屓で、他の国の選手は演技をやりにくかったと思います。ルーマニアのagacheが個人総合に残れなかったのが残念｡もちろん、どのような状況でもベストな演技が出来ないといけないかもしれないけれど、アメリカの観客の応援は度が過ぎていました。ソ連が出ていたらという面でも本当に残念な大会でした。
Quem foi o time campeão por equipe?
Romênia
1. Romania 2. USA 3. China
53:13 Mary Lou vaults for the gold.
Rumanía !
I'm so sick and tired about all the scandal they made about her winning on boycotted games. The stupid camera men were running here and there.Things would have turned out a lot different if everyone was there.The tens were out of control, the judges did not do a good job. Cathy Rigby was a poor commentator making it obvious how bias and critical she was to non American gymnasts. Not to mention the TV circus about her going back and forth to Bela outside the competitors area every time she did "good".
…when sticking your landing was a thing…! very superb routines and The LEOS were very nice and fit well…😔♥️🌹
Soviet Inion didn’t take part. If it did, we would’ve seen real results
Well yea.duh.
Guess they didn't have the 2 per country rule back then
She only won the gold because it was in the 🇺🇸. That was Szabos gold. They only not boycotted 🇷🇺 but 🇷🇴 by giving 🇺🇸 the gold.
Szabo made a mistake on bars. The US did get a home field advantage. Did they get more of an advantage than the USSR in 1980?
Your foolish
No... Mary lou's vault was absolutely perfect.☺️👍
We're you a gymnast in that era.. well I was.. things were different then.
@@bronzevillecomics2581and Mary Lou on FX that wasn't deducted
53:16 What y'all came here for!
i came for the sex
You searched for this
This was a period in gymnastics when the team compulsories and optionals counted in the final scores. Mary Lou Retton was given excessively high scores for all four compulsory routines (her form, toe point and amplitude on the simple skills left a lot to be desired) and her optional bar and beam routines were given an average of 9.8s, when they really deserved 9.6s/9.7s (at least her beam did). Her floor routine here was given a 10 with 2 visible errors and poor dance?! Yes, Ecaterina Szabo had a fall on bars (and she was hammered for it) during the team competition but she was valiant, came back with a vengeance and had substance in all her routines. Mary Lou fans point out her "cowboyed" double backs. She was deducted for it on floor. While the judges ignored Mary Lou's bent knees on bars, wavering on beam, landing mistakes on floor and "scoot" on her "perfect" 10.
Ecaterina Szabo was the real Olympic champion.
Of course she was, she wasn’t American. God forbid any US athlete- then or now- would win. You people need to just knock off the American hatred, it was Romania and the USSR that ruined gymnastics for many years!
No retreat n won fair and square
Szabo is the queen of the cowboy double backs. She was overscored on every event and still won 4 golds. Stop being an American hater.
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The gold was stolen from szabo
Zhou Ping from China and Mary Lou Retton both getting 9.80 for their balance beam routines spoke volumes of the blatantly absurd judging. Zhou was a lot more precise and had an exquisite acrobatic series. Mary Lou was choppy and had no real acrobatic series...and still lost her balance a couple of times?!
With the requirement to do an acro series only one of the elements had to have flight. So her step down to a back tuck would have been sufficient t meet the requirements.
McNamara's BB score was the strange one.
I find it fascinating at the complete difference in Chinese gymnasts from this era to the next. They seemed to shrink in size and their gymnasts was on another level. Here, Ping is lackadaisical and boring to watch. A stark contrast to the Chinese talent in a few years to come.
If your not a gymnast your self then you don't know what your talking about.
It's obvious, even if the Russians had been there, that the US team had turned a corner at this point and was headed for greatness. I think Miller deserved the AA gold moreso in 92. I've watched that year's performances and she did better than the girl that won or Mary in this one. The biggest takeaway I think is that we started to see the pull away from danty gymnasts to stocky ones that dominate the sport today with Mary Lou Retton.
Yes Miller was robbed
If Sesame Street Gymnast Deborah Eich-Romer joined Olympic Women's Gymnastics since 1972 to 1984, she might get gold, sliver, and bronze. I always think Deborah Eich-Romer from New York State is as excellent as Mary Lou Retton and Nadia Comaneci both together. Deborah is always a Perfect 10 to me.
With splits like those, Szabo didn’t deserve that 10 even in this COP.
I've been working at a haskap orchard for over 10 years now and your berries are not even to be ripe enough to make jam, you shouldn't be using that much sugar if they were lot more riper, there alright the way they are if want to make homemade wine 😉
RUMANIA SIEMPRE SON IMPRESIONANTES, MIL BENDICIONES PARA TODAS !
10 for Szabo on BB and for Retton on Floor? Perfect performances? Does that mean they couldn't do better? The point system was really lacking at the time... they all scored between 9.8 and 10 regardless of the execution and the number of mistakes. It's not really a good way to emphasize quality when there's no room for distinction between decent, good, very good and excellent.
Retton honestly did not deserve a 10 on floor, a 9.85 in my opinion. Szabo a 9.95 on beam. But obviously politics played a part in those days.
How come millions of people are watching these girls? I can do those tricks for fun when I am at the swimming pool and nobody wants to watch me do gymnastics, apparently. That's weird. What is going on?
Потеряла Румыния Каролли - вот и результат...
Besides zavo is no comonique and she's no silvas
I would like to see today's gymnast tumble on that floor.
Kathy Johnson loved her bar routine, me not so much. She would say horrible things about gymnasts after retiring. So, I’ll comment on her… it sucked! She didn’t make vertical on any of her handstands, lost momentum after release and bent her elbows many times.
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Oh my word! Julianne McNamara looked stunned over her vault score. It was over-scored like crazy. Zsabo’s vault was far superior and scored lower. Ugh. And Julianneks beam shouldn’t have been higher than a 9.25 or 9.30. She got a 9.55. That’s insane. Mind you….I love Julianne. But the scoring sometimes is crazy!
The Australian girl, I don’t know how she got the marks she did on the vault because it was so basic and not well executed, in my opinion. 🇬🇧
I don't know why they found it necessary to tell the whole world how much she weighed.
Ne-au furat de la medalii atat rusii cat si americani, o fi bolnava Mary Lou, dar fara ajutorul arbitrilor nu ajungea atat de sus la olimpiada!
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The announcers are so patronizing.
Ecaterina sure was loving the American audience until she screwed up and lost. lmaooo Blowing kisses and prancing around waving. I found that hysterical, but Mary Lou standing higher than the two Romanians was a BEAUTIFUL sight to behold! :oP
You're proud of the tactless boos from the crowd, home field advantage and questionable scoring? That's precisely what led to MLR "winning" and flaunting her fake laugh and Bela acting like a clown. A sight to behold for people like you.
@@gaelgarciabernal2434 interesting. lol
@@gaelgarciabernal2434 Szabo scored a 10.0 on floor the year earlier during the world championships. She clearly stepped out of line which was an automatic deduction from her score that was not taken. It did not go unnoticed by commentators who showed the video. To say that MLR received gifts here whereas other gymnasts such as Szabo did not in their career is absurd. There are countless examples of bizarre scores in the sport. What you claim here is nothing compared to others.
I mean wouldn’t you be sad if you just lost the gold medal !!!! She was obviously sad !! Why would she be blowing kisses and waving !! She just lost the gold medal ! That was taken from her by that unfair 10 on Mary Lou’s floor she clearly stepped out of the floor with one foot
@@cherrylove9142 I thought I saw that too but hey it was an American in America and they couldn't have anyone else win
Beta karoatee lol
Ecatarina is clearly better
Obviously, she got a10and Mary Lou a9.80..duh
I'll bet that the gymnast in the white leotard got shot.
Bela was a toxic narcissist and it showed from way back then. He only cared about himself. He could’ve cost Mary Lou the gold for violating the rules but he never cared about anyone but himself. And Mary Lou was used as a propaganda tool to lure in a generation of girls to be abused by Bela and Marta. Unfortunately Mary Lou was also responsible for endorsing that monster Bela and his toxic abuse. Let’s face it, Mary Lou was lucky that the Russian women, who were dominating the sport at that time, were not competing otherwise she would’ve had no chance at gold and a generation of girls would’ve been saved by the Karolyi abuse and subsequent Nassar abuse. Once the GOAT Simone Biles retires, this sport needs to die like women’s figure skating did in America after the Nancy/Tonya joke. The only good thing from all that was the incredible Margot Robbie
Mary Lou Retton was so overrated like Simone Biles.
Biles overrated? Seriously?
@@bronzevillecomics2581 Shannon Miller is better than Biles. Gina Gogean is better than Biles.
@tiara She may be overrated a bit, almost all great ones in judged sports are, even the GOATs. She is light years better than Retton though.
@@douglasraddi6788 Gogean is the biggest joke ever in the sport. She won gold medals with routines that had compulsory level difficulty for the time often. Her beam gold at the 97 worlds over sensational and super difficult routines from Kui Yuanyuan, Khorkina, and Teza remains the all time joke of the sport.
Agree 100% ...Szabo was robbed at these Olympics...Szabo was the true all around champion. Agree about Biles too...powerful athlete but not a esthetically pretty to watch but that goes for gymnastics in general. It's no longer artistic gymnastics...basically just power tumbling now....very sad to see what this once beautiful sport has morphed into.😢
shame on you
I think the romanian girl was better
+german perez Like Cathy Rigby said, if Kati hadn't fallen off the UB during Team Finals, the gold medal would've been hers.
+e2theeyepie I know right? I had some respect for the Romanians until I learned all the shit they tried to pull. Like trying to pass Ecaterina off as another girl in, what, 1980??
Her form was not as good as Mary Lou's. A lot of leg separation
She wad on the first two. But weak on the others.
Szabo, the true champion! SHAME ON U AMERICANS
As usual an over-hyped yank takes the spoils at home. What did she do from there? Apart from TV appearances and adverts? Typical sugar-coated American idealism.
She competed another two years, retiring in 1986 at the age of 18. She went on to coach through 1992. She then married and raised four daughters, all of them collegiate gymnasts. She always saw her own gymnastics as one chapter in her life story; something that had a defined end-point and where her life would follow whatever path that emerges. And yes, I got to spend time with her two months after the Olympics when she came to visit a mutual friend during Homecoming week at WVU.
@@kcindc5539 HUH? What are you talking about. She competed in only ONE competition after the olympics which was just 6 months after the games at the 1985 American Cup in early 85 and THAT was her last competition. So NO she did NOT compete another two years..... You then say she went on to COACH thru 1992.... WHO? Never heard of her being a coach. At all really. Maybe did endorsements and motivational speeches for a fee but she was not a coach. And Skyla who is one of her daughters was NEVER a college gymnast. With all these fibs I find the rest of your story and ALL of it false!!. And I am an EXTREME follower of the sport since the early 80's so um ya. SMH
Can't stand Mary Lou.
Ewww you sound bitter
EKATERINA, LA CAMPEONA !