More investigation?? Why... because you're not part of it... something MUST be wrong with it?? These people openly say and show how they live. U don't believe New Zealand is a Communist government, and these people own the property they live in. They also abide by the laws of the Nation in which they serve, and have never said they were a totally closed community for investigation type reasons. So, I ask you...under what reasons should they be further investigated?
Waterbaby - why? Because it’s not how YOU want to live? Of course physical abuse is wrong, and the guilty should be punished but they should be allowed to live simple, scripture based lives if they want to live that way.
Having lived in Utah, the Midwestern American "Bible Belt" and in NYC, I've always been utterly appalled by how some local governments seem totally okay with allowing so-called religious freedoms to trump the laws of the land! In Utah and the Bible belt, religious communities (such as the Amish & the FLDS) are allowed to be essentially totally self-governing, to the point that basic laws regarding things like domestic/child abuse laws, child marriage laws and child labor laws are almost 100% ignored when it comes to certain groups. And in NYC, there are communities of ultra-orthodox Jews who are allowed to have basically their own police forces, religious charter schools, courts of law, etc., all using taxpayer money with zero oversight! And, I have friends in the UK who say that there are similar situations with fundamentalist Muslim communities there: they're able to ignore laws about education, child marriage, domestic abuse and so on whilst using taxpayer money to support their communities. This is a HUGE problem IMHO in many countries; governments are so terrified of being accused of infringing on "religious freedom" that they more or less give carte blanche to certain communities to openly break laws without any repercussions! (Oh, and just to be clear- I am NOT implying that ALL Jewish, Muslim or fundamentalist Christian groups do this!! But I do very much think that the few who DO do this make all the other law-abiding & taxpaying members of their faiths look bad to outsiders...which especially in the case of minorities can be extremely dangerous! I know many law-abiding Jews & Muslims who are outraged at the way that fundamentalist groups feed false and dangerous stereotypes that endanger their entire communities!)
ALL communities, within a Nations borders, must follow that Nations laws. As far as I can see, and I watched probably the same thing you watched, they do so. Not sure if they're a Nation themselves...or they're part of Australia, which is part of the UK...never actually thought about what Nations laws that New Zealand follows!!
@@irishgta3104 ...the hands supporting her so she doesn't fall backwards into the water? That cult is sick, but at least they were safe with the kids in the river.
Alive and kicking!! You see, when communities like this are open to law enforcement, have their own property, and live in a particular way, that everyone knows and understands, if they're going to live there. I don't think most people understand the truth about this place...if a boy or girl gets married, under the age of 17.. they MUST get their Parents approval!! If they give it, what exactly...is ANYBODY doing wrong, or illegal around there?? Im beginning to think that everyone on UTube and FB, that are making all the negative comments, are far left liberals, that don't understand what they're supposed to believe themselves. Liberals think like Communist. THESE PEOPLE...are living like Communists...if someone lives in a way other than you...you think they should be shut down, or closed. That's not how things are done in Free Countries. The ONLY time that things can be SHUT DOWN...in a free society, is when they are supported, ONLY, by the govt!! And THEN...they must be proven to cause negativity, or break laws in order for the Govt. monies are to be taken away!! I don't think these people get much of any govt help at all. Apparently, they are self supported. In such cases, you can either like them, or keep your mouthed closed, because it appears nothing they do is causing anyone outside of their group, ANY negativity. So, if you don't like what they do...don't watch it or support it. Not that it matters whatsoever, Because they receive nothing from you. It's time folks mind their own business.
@@jeffdarnell7942 far from it. Falling apart like dominoes, another couple just escaped. You are as brainwashed as them. They do a lot of things wrong. Mainly lie to them, about god, about outside world, they control them, abuse and use. They take away their freedom and normal life. People who escaped never looked back, and said how awful it really was, how full of bullshit.
Prayer for lees family to be return.back to her then.because they were suppose to be going to aussie or America to live.appently .5hey with the gerrard families,and the te rangi family,and with swones,te ahouas family.suppose totravel to America loss Angeles. 8bdr house. Whitehead family.
@@itmightbepossible8586 not true lolol, you can join if you want, if you obey and legally sign over every single thing you own.. and if they accept you. Absolutely you can join even if your not born into it...but who the fuck would be that dumb? Lol
@@junkerjorg6310 It IS very much akin to communism...although in many cases, I'd argue that it isn't actually voluntary. After all, if you've been born & raised in a group that totally isolates you from ANY outside influence or information, are constantly told how evil, dangerous, scary and miserable the "outside world" is, and have no friends, family, life skills or financial resources to survive outside the group...is it *really* "voluntary" when it comes to staying? I think that for most who want to leave, they don't feel that they have any real choice. So bloody sad.
They must let outsiders join, because the contract says they have to give up their property. If they were born there, they wouldn't have property to give up.
So many sheep believing everything the fake media says. No one has been hurt and people are going there to join. Of course people who leave aren’t going to say anything positive, and the girls pack on the makeup and degrade Gloriavale. Think about it, if you’re about to use logic.
Yes you are soooo right. 🙄Those children who are born there and spend their lives being beaten and r-ped and taught that the world outside of the gate is evil and would kill them -- they could walk right out the gate if they wanted to. 🤦🤦🤦
@@huh_rinii It's their right to love them if they want! What's disgusting?? The fact that these people live out amongst themselves...and answer to nobody but themselves? You know, they still have to follow all the laws that every other New Zealander has to follow. And, if ANY girl OR boy gets married before the age of 17, they have to get their Parents approval. Just like in the normal world. I'm trying to figure out why everyone ..like yourself, thinks it's... disgusting. Why did you say that?
@@jeffdarnell7942 you’re literally trying to defend a cult that was founded by a convicted pedophile, marries young women to older men, isolates children from freedom and living fulfilling lives, and has a reputation for child abuse??? They’re a terrible community that spreads lies and is run by delusional human beings. Needs to be shut down
Believe and say what you want about these people....but they have a specific way they run their lives. They openly say or admit EXACTLY how they live. If you want to live there, do so. If you want to leave....do so. If people aren't part of their community, they're attacked in the Media, just like everything and everyone else. If everyone focused on improving their OWN lives, instead of degrading or attacking and throwing accusations at others...I bet their lives would be SO much better. If you don't like this group, then stay away from them!! What, is SO hard about that??
If you see someone comitted a crime, would you just leave them be? Yes you can be on any community for all i care, but these people are too brainwashed to know what’s wrong or not. They were made to believe that the outside worlds are full of evil and what they did now will lead them to heaven. And almost all of their families are there so some choose to stay. The cult leader or the higher ups almost decides everything for these people, the way they dress, what not to wear, not to listen, when to get married (they decide the pairs btw), when to have babies, forcing them not to use contraception, etc. They sometimes physically and emotionally abused them and call them a sinner for such simple things, tell them that woman have to be obedient, and sometimes even have sex in front of those minor/children to teach them the way. The irony though, because the cult leader molested his own son and sexually abused others. Glad he died may he rest in hell.
🤦🤦🤦 Jeff Darnell doesn't understand how the brainwashing and trapping of children works. Imagine thinking that a 4-year-old who has been beaten and molested all his life is free to walk out the front gate and make his own way in a world he has been taught is evil. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 There aren't enough facepalms in the world for Jeff Darnell's comment. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@Necrocracy I did a little looking around online, and I quickly found that our buddy Jeff Darnell here is a member of an unnamed cult in the US. He and his wife run a website spreading creepy cult-like nonsense. So there it is. He supports them because he's just like them. He wants people who commit brainwashing of children to be left alone so people like him can continue their brainwashing and ruining of their children's lives.
there have been so many ex members coming out to expose what happens behind those gates. So many crimes and absolutely gross indoctrination of children. You asking to “leave them alone”, simultaneously also means that you have no problem with what goes in behind the gates. Disgusting
@@myrmidonesantipodes6982 I don't think any sort of secular beliefs should be enforced on any group...but, at the same time, I *do* very much think that religious beliefs shouldn't be a pass to simply ignore the laws of whatever nation a group lives in! IMHO, enforcing basic laws isn't forcing "atheistic moral relativism" on anyone...it's just making them live by the same basic legal standards as everyone else. "Religious beliefs" shouldn't trump laws mandating things like laws requiring basic education or laws forbidding domestic abuse, child marriage, child labor, etc. I think *beliefs* should be 100% unrestricted, but that *actions* must be subject to basic secular laws. Otherwise, you could have groups claiming that honour killing, refusal to provide education or medical treatment to children, child marriage, etc. are totally protected due to "religious beliefs." And we've seen what happens when groups like the FLDS are allowed total freedom to practice their beliefs: abuse, exploitation and misery. So I don't think I'm better than anyone else, just that there are basic, minimal standards of behavior that *everyone* should be legally expected to abide by. And I don't think abuse or exploitation of ANY kind should be permitted, either by secular OR religious people!
People like this young woman Tarawa, SICKEN me. First off, I'm not a member of Gloriavale and don't know anyone who is. All I know of them, is what I've watched on independent documentaries. That being said, it's a relatively small group of 500 people, living a communal life, devoted to a specific lifestyle and communal living, with a fundamental Christian based lifestyle. It's idiots like this Tarawa who think because they hate a chaste, disciplined lifestyle, that she has a right to make up stories, exaggerate details, and essentially destroy a flourishing community where most of the people are VERY happy. What she's done, is involved lae enforcement and the court system, to oversee and "regulate" the daily life at Gloriavale. Anyone with a half a brain, sadly knows this isn't going to work and will crumble Gloriavale. Take one look outside this community, at what government has donee with low income recipients, government housing, public schools and curriculum etc etc, compare that to the complete opposite at Gloriavale and you can see its a disaster waiting to happen. How can anyone expect a group of perhaps even atheists, working in government courts, to oversee and handle daily decisions? The courts don't even understand the concept or lifestyle.!! The fact is, if people are inhappy, leave! But do NOT lie and exaggerate the details, in attempt to completely destroy this wonderful place that MANY love. People in the secular world, cannot understand the appeal of living a Godly life. For a woman to submit to her husband. To NOT use birth control etc etc.. These people have made a decision for that life, LEAVE THEM ALONE. Youngsters who were raised there, are NOT held captive! Anyone can leave, anytime. Just as this backstabbing woman left. It doesnt matter what you do, or how virtuous it is. When people leave, they make up stories and lie, and are believed because the majority of people have an ax to grind against Christianity to begin with. (Unless its on some wishy washy church with no firm beliefs of anything!) All you have to do, is LOOK AND LISTEN and see how the people live at Gloriavale, to see their doing something right! That diesnt mean it has to be something youd like, or your cup of tea. But even if its NOT for you, you can tell by watching them these people live better lives than anyone on government assistance, and better more fruitful lives than most of the general population!
Fuck up eah! This is a cult and those elders at the top need a bullet. I know someone who escaped this cult and she was raped multiple times and it was because it was allowed in this sick place. The fuck you talking about idiot
YOU didn't live there and she did. You got all your information from the documentaries that they created to show the people what they want you to see. Try picking up a book instead like Lilia book daughter of Gloriavale and Philip Cooper book Sins of the father. Phill was one of Neville children. Either way the know more about the politics and ins and outs of Gloriavale than you ever will
@@cherrytraveller5915 ... You're wrong. Taking the word of ANY disgruntled former member, of ANY group, as being the "gospel truth" is a FOOLS action. This also applies to most books written on subjects like this, which typically are written with a biased point of view. That may be due to the authors antagonistic view and blatant hatred of any and all religious groups, which we commonly see in the people who tend to write on this topic. Additionally, many of these people writing on these groups are not only anti-religion, but are more specifically anti-Christian. And anyone discussing and writing on ANY of this, and applying a purely secular frame of mind to all it entails, can't even BEGIN to understand ANYTHING these people are doing or understand anything about the way they're living. They simply CANNOT understand. If you're not able to understand that, you're as blind as they are and so be it. But ANYONE who really wants to understand this, and understand these groups, and understand the people in them, in a fair and unbiased way, can ONLY do that by looking into all of it, while using the SAME frame of mind and mental devotion to their faith, as the people they're "studying". Because to "investigate" it from your own, non-religious point of view, applying secular ways of thinking and trying to rationalize their ways, simply doesn't work. We've seen this over and over and over again in cases nearly identical. Its always the same flawed analysis, due to the same flawed "investigation" methods. The only thing that changes is the group of people who are always the ones being bashed, ridiculed, and put under a spotlight l, with a host of bad information about them, intentionally meant to turn people in general against them, their way of life and their spiritual beliefs.
It's sad that the police haven't caught more criminals in this community.
Perhaps this is understood as stupidity and as they say..it knows no bound😂
More investigation is extremely needed
Gnàth Fear
So you happy to have sects like that in NZ my wife used to be one of them and I know lots , I think you sick like them
"I think you sick like them" lmao. Do it yourself.
Gnàth Fear
If it was up to me I would Shut the damn place down and put all the leaders including in lock up
Gnàth Fear
So called Christianity became a joke now days any one can be called a Christian and get away with it .
More investigation?? Why... because you're not part of it... something MUST be wrong with it?? These people openly say and show how they live. U don't believe New Zealand is a Communist government, and these people own the property they live in. They also abide by the laws of the Nation in which they serve, and have never said they were a totally closed community for investigation type reasons. So, I ask you...under what reasons should they be further investigated?
This is outrageous. This should NOT be allowed.
Waterbaby - why? Because it’s not how YOU want to live? Of course physical abuse is wrong, and the guilty should be punished but they should be allowed to live simple, scripture based lives if they want to live that way.
WHAT shouldn't be allowed??
Does this comunity's laws stands above the country's laws? Its like a state inside a state..perhaps if the Vatican can, anybody can too
Having lived in Utah, the Midwestern American "Bible Belt" and in NYC, I've always been utterly appalled by how some local governments seem totally okay with allowing so-called religious freedoms to trump the laws of the land! In Utah and the Bible belt, religious communities (such as the Amish & the FLDS) are allowed to be essentially totally self-governing, to the point that basic laws regarding things like domestic/child abuse laws, child marriage laws and child labor laws are almost 100% ignored when it comes to certain groups. And in NYC, there are communities of ultra-orthodox Jews who are allowed to have basically their own police forces, religious charter schools, courts of law, etc., all using taxpayer money with zero oversight!
And, I have friends in the UK who say that there are similar situations with fundamentalist Muslim communities there: they're able to ignore laws about education, child marriage, domestic abuse and so on whilst using taxpayer money to support their communities.
This is a HUGE problem IMHO in many countries; governments are so terrified of being accused of infringing on "religious freedom" that they more or less give carte blanche to certain communities to openly break laws without any repercussions!
(Oh, and just to be clear- I am NOT implying that ALL Jewish, Muslim or fundamentalist Christian groups do this!! But I do very much think that the few who DO do this make all the other law-abiding & taxpaying members of their faiths look bad to outsiders...which especially in the case of minorities can be extremely dangerous! I know many law-abiding Jews & Muslims who are outraged at the way that fundamentalist groups feed false and dangerous stereotypes that endanger their entire communities!)
ALL communities, within a Nations borders, must follow that Nations laws. As far as I can see, and I watched probably the same thing you watched, they do so. Not sure if they're a Nation themselves...or they're part of Australia, which is part of the UK...never actually thought about what Nations laws that New Zealand follows!!
1:17 is kinda disturbing
Ye look at his hands
@@irishgta3104 ...the hands supporting her so she doesn't fall backwards into the water? That cult is sick, but at least they were safe with the kids in the river.
Declaration "annulled"
JC
😂✊
"...more intent on control than Christianity." Now THAT is some control, to be more controlling than Christianity!
As a Christian who loves God as much as they do:
I knew there was something stiff and oppressed about them, they remind me of the Amish.
Discontinued people leave a group and take their discontinue to spread lies about those that chose to stay.
hello i just wanted to anonymous has posted a warning video to golrivale
Bloody fruitloops
Ummm... what? "God wants us to buy a rig to dig for oil and gas..." timestamp 4.20 of Documentary.
Seems a bit wierd
Someone please tell me this cult has vanished already
Alive and kicking!! You see, when communities like this are open to law enforcement, have their own property, and live in a particular way, that everyone knows and understands, if they're going to live there. I don't think most people understand the truth about this place...if a boy or girl gets married, under the age of 17.. they MUST get their Parents approval!! If they give it, what exactly...is ANYBODY doing wrong, or illegal around there?? Im beginning to think that everyone on UTube and FB, that are making all the negative comments, are far left liberals, that don't understand what they're supposed to believe themselves. Liberals think like Communist. THESE PEOPLE...are living like Communists...if someone lives in a way other than you...you think they should be shut down, or closed. That's not how things are done in Free Countries. The ONLY time that things can be SHUT DOWN...in a free society, is when they are supported, ONLY, by the govt!! And THEN...they must be proven to cause negativity, or break laws in order for the Govt. monies are to be taken away!! I don't think these people get much of any govt help at all. Apparently, they are self supported. In such cases, you can either like them, or keep your mouthed closed, because it appears nothing they do is causing anyone outside of their group, ANY negativity. So, if you don't like what they do...don't watch it or support it. Not that it matters whatsoever, Because they receive nothing from you. It's time folks mind their own business.
@@jeffdarnell7942 far from it. Falling apart like dominoes, another couple just escaped. You are as brainwashed as them. They do a lot of things wrong. Mainly lie to them, about god, about outside world, they control them, abuse and use. They take away their freedom and normal life. People who escaped never looked back, and said how awful it really was, how full of bullshit.
Just lost a big court case. It is going to cost them millions in backpay and overtime. Four women are also preparing to take them to court
i think theyr just concerned for the people
Ah so it's a cult, brilliant innit
Prayer for lees family to be return.back to her then.because they were suppose to be going to aussie or America to live.appently .5hey with the gerrard families,and the te rangi family,and with swones,te ahouas family.suppose totravel to America loss Angeles. 8bdr house. Whitehead family.
Do they let anyone join?
No. Only people who are born there can be there. Or by invitation only.
@@itmightbepossible8586 not true lolol, you can join if you want, if you obey and legally sign over every single thing you own.. and if they accept you. Absolutely you can join even if your not born into it...but who the fuck would be that dumb? Lol
@@sarahdanielle1985 sounds like communism, but voluntary
@@junkerjorg6310 It IS very much akin to communism...although in many cases, I'd argue that it isn't actually voluntary. After all, if you've been born & raised in a group that totally isolates you from ANY outside influence or information, are constantly told how evil, dangerous, scary and miserable the "outside world" is, and have no friends, family, life skills or financial resources to survive outside the group...is it *really* "voluntary" when it comes to staying? I think that for most who want to leave, they don't feel that they have any real choice.
So bloody sad.
They must let outsiders join, because the contract says they have to give up their property. If they were born there, they wouldn't have property to give up.
Hahahahaah, if NZ people ever thought of laughing at North korea, just to say that Gloria Vale is in a Western country hahah
who is laughing??? :/
I have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about .. none.
Devil just smile...
So many sheep believing everything the fake media says. No one has been hurt and people are going there to join. Of course people who leave aren’t going to say anything positive, and the girls pack on the makeup and degrade Gloriavale. Think about it, if you’re about to use logic.
Yes you are soooo right. 🙄Those children who are born there and spend their lives being beaten and r-ped and taught that the world outside of the gate is evil and would kill them -- they could walk right out the gate if they wanted to. 🤦🤦🤦
I love Gloriavela a holy living
disgusting
@@huh_rinii It's their right to love them if they want! What's disgusting?? The fact that these people live out amongst themselves...and answer to nobody but themselves? You know, they still have to follow all the laws that every other New Zealander has to follow. And, if ANY girl OR boy gets married before the age of 17, they have to get their Parents approval. Just like in the normal world. I'm trying to figure out why everyone ..like yourself, thinks it's... disgusting. Why did you say that?
@@jeffdarnell7942 yo chill. It's a cult, isn it self explaining
@@jeffdarnell7942 they don't need parental approval once 16. Labour changed the law.
@@jeffdarnell7942 you’re literally trying to defend a cult that was founded by a convicted pedophile, marries young women to older men, isolates children from freedom and living fulfilling lives, and has a reputation for child abuse??? They’re a terrible community that spreads lies and is run by delusional human beings. Needs to be shut down
Believe and say what you want about these people....but they have a specific way they run their lives. They openly say or admit EXACTLY how they live. If you want to live there, do so. If you want to leave....do so. If people aren't part of their community, they're attacked in the Media, just like everything and everyone else. If everyone focused on improving their OWN lives, instead of degrading or attacking and throwing accusations at others...I bet their lives would be SO much better. If you don't like this group, then stay away from them!! What, is SO hard about that??
If you see someone comitted a crime, would you just leave them be? Yes you can be on any community for all i care, but these people are too brainwashed to know what’s wrong or not. They were made to believe that the outside worlds are full of evil and what they did now will lead them to heaven. And almost all of their families are there so some choose to stay. The cult leader or the higher ups almost decides everything for these people, the way they dress, what not to wear, not to listen, when to get married (they decide the pairs btw), when to have babies, forcing them not to use contraception, etc. They sometimes physically and emotionally abused them and call them a sinner for such simple things, tell them that woman have to be obedient, and sometimes even have sex in front of those minor/children to teach them the way. The irony though, because the cult leader molested his own son and sexually abused others. Glad he died may he rest in hell.
🤦🤦🤦 Jeff Darnell doesn't understand how the brainwashing and trapping of children works. Imagine thinking that a 4-year-old who has been beaten and molested all his life is free to walk out the front gate and make his own way in a world he has been taught is evil. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 There aren't enough facepalms in the world for Jeff Darnell's comment. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@@Necrocracy I did a little looking around online, and I quickly found that our buddy Jeff Darnell here is a member of an unnamed cult in the US. He and his wife run a website spreading creepy cult-like nonsense. So there it is. He supports them because he's just like them. He wants people who commit brainwashing of children to be left alone so people like him can continue their brainwashing and ruining of their children's lives.
Why don’t you live them alone. You are all acting like we are much better out there ?!? Hein 🙄
I'm no fan of Protestant nut jobs but we should leave them alone. Secular society is trying to force athiestic moral relivism on a small community.
Wicked world you want them to join satanic living in the outside world.I love Gloriavela
Wtf is wrong with you? I guess you have no idea how terrible some of those people have especially the ones that try to escape the cult.
there have been so many ex members coming out to expose what happens behind those gates. So many crimes and absolutely gross indoctrination of children. You asking to “leave them alone”, simultaneously also means that you have no problem with what goes in behind the gates. Disgusting
@@myrmidonesantipodes6982 I don't think any sort of secular beliefs should be enforced on any group...but, at the same time, I *do* very much think that religious beliefs shouldn't be a pass to simply ignore the laws of whatever nation a group lives in! IMHO, enforcing basic laws isn't forcing "atheistic moral relativism" on anyone...it's just making them live by the same basic legal standards as everyone else. "Religious beliefs" shouldn't trump laws mandating things like laws requiring basic education or laws forbidding domestic abuse, child marriage, child labor, etc.
I think *beliefs* should be 100% unrestricted, but that *actions* must be subject to basic secular laws. Otherwise, you could have groups claiming that honour killing, refusal to provide education or medical treatment to children, child marriage, etc. are totally protected due to "religious beliefs."
And we've seen what happens when groups like the FLDS are allowed total freedom to practice their beliefs: abuse, exploitation and misery. So I don't think I'm better than anyone else, just that there are basic, minimal standards of behavior that *everyone* should be legally expected to abide by. And I don't think abuse or exploitation of ANY kind should be permitted, either by secular OR religious people!
People like this young woman Tarawa, SICKEN me.
First off, I'm not a member of Gloriavale and don't know anyone who is. All I know of them, is what I've watched on independent documentaries.
That being said, it's a relatively small group of 500 people, living a communal life, devoted to a specific lifestyle and communal living, with a fundamental Christian based lifestyle.
It's idiots like this Tarawa who think because they hate a chaste, disciplined lifestyle, that she has a right to make up stories, exaggerate details, and essentially destroy a flourishing community where most of the people are VERY happy.
What she's done, is involved lae enforcement and the court system, to oversee and "regulate" the daily life at Gloriavale. Anyone with a half a brain, sadly knows this isn't going to work and will crumble Gloriavale. Take one look outside this community, at what government has donee with low income recipients, government housing, public schools and curriculum etc etc, compare that to the complete opposite at Gloriavale and you can see its a disaster waiting to happen.
How can anyone expect a group of perhaps even atheists, working in government courts, to oversee and handle daily decisions? The courts don't even understand the concept or lifestyle.!!
The fact is, if people are inhappy, leave! But do NOT lie and exaggerate the details, in attempt to completely destroy this wonderful place that MANY love.
People in the secular world, cannot understand the appeal of living a Godly life. For a woman to submit to her husband. To NOT use birth control etc etc..
These people have made a decision for that life, LEAVE THEM ALONE.
Youngsters who were raised there, are NOT held captive! Anyone can leave, anytime. Just as this backstabbing woman left.
It doesnt matter what you do, or how virtuous it is. When people leave, they make up stories and lie, and are believed because the majority of people have an ax to grind against Christianity to begin with. (Unless its on some wishy washy church with no firm beliefs of anything!)
All you have to do, is LOOK AND LISTEN and see how the people live at Gloriavale, to see their doing something right! That diesnt mean it has to be something youd like, or your cup of tea. But even if its NOT for you, you can tell by watching them these people live better lives than anyone on government assistance, and better more fruitful lives than most of the general population!
Lol ignorant fool, people like her keep cults like that accountable to the law
these "decisions" are coerced and not made fully informed without undue influence. that is the fundamental problem. also the child abuse...
Fuck up eah! This is a cult and those elders at the top need a bullet. I know someone who escaped this cult and she was raped multiple times and it was because it was allowed in this sick place. The fuck you talking about idiot
YOU didn't live there and she did. You got all your information from the documentaries that they created to show the people what they want you to see. Try picking up a book instead like Lilia book daughter of Gloriavale and Philip Cooper book Sins of the father. Phill was one of Neville children. Either way the know more about the politics and ins and outs of Gloriavale than you ever will
@@cherrytraveller5915 ... You're wrong.
Taking the word of ANY disgruntled former member, of ANY group, as being the "gospel truth" is a FOOLS action. This also applies to most books written on subjects like this, which typically are written with a biased point of view. That may be due to the authors antagonistic view and blatant hatred of any and all religious groups, which we commonly see in the people who tend to write on this topic. Additionally, many of these people writing on these groups are not only anti-religion, but are more specifically anti-Christian. And anyone discussing and writing on ANY of this, and applying a purely secular frame of mind to all it entails, can't even BEGIN to understand ANYTHING these people are doing or understand anything about the way they're living. They simply CANNOT understand. If you're not able to understand that, you're as blind as they are and so be it.
But ANYONE who really wants to understand this, and understand these groups, and understand the people in them, in a fair and unbiased way, can ONLY do that by looking into all of it, while using the SAME frame of mind and mental devotion to their faith, as the people they're "studying". Because to "investigate" it from your own, non-religious point of view, applying secular ways of thinking and trying to rationalize their ways, simply doesn't work. We've seen this over and over and over again in cases nearly identical. Its always the same flawed analysis, due to the same flawed "investigation" methods.
The only thing that changes is the group of people who are always the ones being bashed, ridiculed, and put under a spotlight l, with a host of bad information about them, intentionally meant to turn people in general against them, their way of life and their spiritual beliefs.