Testing method: 3 GPandas lubed with G-Lube, 3 GPandas lubed with Krytox 205g0. Marked the pandas w/ 205g0 on the bottom so I knew which is which at the end. Randomly placed them on a hotswap board, put on headphones to play music since you can identify based on sound alone, then guessed which was G-Lube and which was Krytox. Overall, I was able to guess which was Krytox..70% of the time or so. Difference is minimal, but Krytox was a bit smoother. Prob due to variance with hand lubing. I would say with G-lube, it will retain more of the tactile feeling at the cost of smoothness, perhaps similar to what 3204 does. In terms of emphasizing the tactility of the Pandas vs stock...I don't think so. When I did blind test without headphones on, it kind of seemed that way, but once I did blind test with headphones on, I couldn't really tell if the tactile feeling was emphasized or not. I also tried lubing the stem legs.
@@jimmynguyen973 Oh thanks! So, G-Lube just gives the impression of emphasizing tactility, but it's not actually doing anithing. It's just not as smooth as a lube as 205g0
imo Krytox 205G0 or TriboSys 3203 are better in everyway . Krytox for smoothness and more of a thock and 3203 for tactility while still making the switch smoother. G lube is I think purely focused on being cost effective.
As an enthusiast, I hear NO difference between the G-Lube and Krytox. I love how krytox feels, but it’s price is a deal breaker after hearing you can get $10 for 10 mL
Looking back on this because I'm going to look into the GMMK pro hot swap board with glorious pandas and was wondering about G-Lube or Krytox. Great video man!
I agree with your thoughts on the G-Lube. Personally, I was very unimpressed with the G-Lube, especially the packaging when you compare it to the Panda's packaging.
My guess based on the paper wetting and fluid shape is that G-Lube is a mix of oil and grease (the oil being responsible for absorbing into the paper) and that it will perform closer to a Tribosys 3203 or 3204.
G lube eliminates the spring pin sound, but krytox does not. 4:32-4:33, if you listen carefully, you also can hear the spring pin sound by hard pressing the key which is lubed by krytox. By the way, paper absorptivity does not mean any good or bad of lubricant, plastic is moisture and grease proof but papers does not. So when you feel rougher by rubbing on the g lube, it may caused by the paper absorbs more contents from the g lube who knows. But I just hope all enthusiasts could think independently and try your own test by using scientific way. I am a car enthusiast too, I can tell you lubricant is like engine oil, it is all about viscosity and temperature. For the key switches, we don’t have temperature consideration. Less momentum should use lower viscosity oil, which lubricant to use is depending on your spring force. For example, using high viscosity lube will make 45g switch sluggish. If I tell you blend about 1/5 part of dielectric grease into the low viscosity lube, and use it for springs can eliminate spring pin. It works, but this idea can be heartbreaker for whom have paid premium for the krytox.
Thanks for the amazing video! I was wondering how G-Lube felt and there I got a recommended video. BTW, there are 14mm and 16mm TX Springs. What made you go with 14mm? I'm a newb and decided to go with Glorious Panda switches. Did you find improvement with the new springs over the GP's stock? Best regards!
Glad I could help! I wanted the most even comparison between the stock spring and the TX spring--14mm is a standard spring length. The 16mm springs are TX's "slow-curved" springs. Im currently working on a video explaining the different kind of springs, but essentially since the 16mm is longer, it's more compressed when it's in a switch, raising the initial force needed to push down on a switch. And yes, I did find some sound improvements with TX springs, but if you're not particular about a keyboard's acoustics then it won't matter much to you.
Another great video! Currently using my GHPs lubed with krytox 205g0 and can definitely say after lubing, it makes the switches even better. I didn't lubed the stems and leaf to preserve the tactility tho. Anyway, do you think GHPs need switch films, if yes what do you recommend?
Thanks! Personally I don't think any Holy Pandas need switch film, the housing is pretty tight, but switch film can also help with creating that t h o c c k y sound if you're after that. I had a spare TX Film 0.15mm, and I was unable to close the switch all the way, so it did not fit into a board. If you were to get films, you're going to need thinner ones. It looks like TX sells 0.125mm made for Holy Pandas but I've never tried 'em.
The one I have in the background is a Rukia, one of the many keyboards that uses the Alice layout. I'm not a complete ergo layout expert, but I think the Sagittarius is an interesting upcoming ergo keyboard geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107023.0
should i buy g-lube for a local vendor or buy krytox from another country with shipping and taxes? is it worth it? and does it work good on stabs or should i use something like reel grease?
Between those two, I would say G-Lube just cause you get so much more of it, and I find them pretty comparable. Glube sits somewhere between 3204 and 205g0 imo
How do you like the glorious pandas? How do they compare to other tactile switches? Also I heard the stem wobble is kinda bad, what’s your take on that? (Btw amazing video)
Overall I think the Glorious Pandas are a good choice for newcomers/early hobbyists who don't want to go through the trouble of creating their own Holy Panda switch, mainly due to price and convenience. For folks who have built high-end boards, these switches are probably not for them. The stem wobble isn't great, but stem wobble isn't something I'm bothered by that much. But if you use SA keycaps, they will be quite wobbly. You can read this review for quick impressions on how these switches compare to other tactile switches www.theremingoat.com/blog/glorious-panda-switch-review
All comes down to preference, 205g0 will make tactile switches smoother, but it may make the switch less tactile if you're not careful with lubing. 3203 is much more forgiving, will make your switches smoother while retaining the tactile feeling but not as smooth as 205g0.
@@raydominiqueterre7462 Those are not technically comparable since 105 is an oil and 3203 is a grease, but it is all preference in the end so the only way to know for sure is to try it out. Some people use 105 to lube switches, but most folks use 105 to lube springs, or to mix with 205g2 to create something similar to 205g0.
Hello, I am interested in swapping springs. Do you have a link to the springs you used? And do they change the feel of the switch? Also how do you feel about filming these switches? Have you tried filming the Glorious Pandas already? This review was excellent btw!
Thanks! Here are the springs: www.us.txkeyboards.com/products/tx-springs They don't change the feel of the switch if you buy the same weight (67g). I don't think these, or any Holy Panda variant, needs film. The housing is already tight. I did try filming the Glorious Pandas with the TX film I have, but they were not thin enough so the switch didn't close.
haven't used the siks yet, but you can't compare the two since the silks are linear and these are tactile. which switch type do you like more? if you want a tactile switch, i recently discovered the boba u4t and i think those are much better than glorious pandas
Hey, I want to switch from my loud cherry mx blues to something quiet, do you think the writing experience on the pandas will be as good as on the blues? Are the switches clicky or more like cherry mx red?
Nothing will give you that clicky sounds unless you have a clicky switch like the blues. Look up Glorious Pandas typing tests on CZcams to get an idea of what they sound like. Don’t think they will be quieter than mx blues however. If you want a quiet tactile switch, look up Boba u4 switches. I have a typing test of those in my SP111 video czcams.com/video/q1k2DjRnZLI/video.html
I didn't like them at first because of bottoming out at the pole, but interestingly it's corrected my typing style. I can somehow type faster on these than other switches because it forces your to type with discipline... if that's the correct way to put it. But you must, must lube them. Lube the back of the leaf with 205g0 and it will eliminate the ping.
In my country it is difficult to buy Krytox, its price including 5g $ 23.50 embio but I can easily get G-Lube 10g at € 15.30 including embio cost, I have a € 60 Kemove keyboard with Gateron optical red switches , my question is. G-Lube is good or bad? Will it give me a satisfactory result compared to the stock switches? A greeting from Spain.
Hello from the US! If Krytox is too hard to get ahold of, G-lube will improve the stock switch and give satisfactory results. Krytox won't make the switch twice as better vs G-Lube.
G-Lube is has more in common with Tribosys. I haven't figured it out what they are using yet, more than likely some sort of cheaper food grade dielectric grease, but I think it is a composition around 25-35% Krytox 00, 55-60% dielectric, and some medium viscous oil to thin down the overly thick dielectric. I didn't get to see the packages. I was loaned my 3ish grams to try. Can anyone tell me if the packaging says if it is flammable? Because it bleeds so easy through paper, it means that it is less viscous. Probably spelling that wrong, but too tired to look up the spelling. 205-207 G00 is really thick, so it retains sound better. It would probably be okay to actually use 204G2 on linears. It wouldn't be closer to like 205g0 if that gives a rough explanation. Okay, so I did look something up real quick, and interestingly I found someone saying they may be adding a little bit of unscented baby oil... Edit: I really couldn't tell much difference between the two sound tests. Less crunch, but otherwise.
if you want to stick with the same weight, any 67g spring by tx springs, sprit, or thicthock will be fine. I think slow springs / long springs works nicely on tactiles, so you can consider these for example: www.us.txkeyboards.com/products/tx-springs-16mm?variant=32481936900156
G lube it's like the mix of dielectric grease and silicon lube... So i think is good... but not good enough as krytox. But for the price, i couldn't complain
Changing the spring with a different weight may affect the tactility. The Panda comes with a 67g spring. If you get a heavier spring, it'll feel less tactile.
@@hugodinis2045 Ye, I have some switches that came with durock springs. Overall TX is generally regarded as the better spring but if its easier for you to get Durock then that's fine too.
It's not as thick as Permatex dielectric grease. I just found this post about the breakdown www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/jfbzqx/a_chemical_breakdown_of_glorious_lube_glube/
It's really strange that I can barely tell the difference in sound between stock and lubed. But I'm certain other videos I've watched I've been able to hear it. Am I going deaf LOL
@@zacharyliu8963 65g-67g if you want to stay at the same weight as the stock springs, which is a safe bet. could go higher, could go lower, thats all up to you. my minimum is 62g, 67g maximum.
I really don't understand the craze over kyrtox personally. But then again I like clack and not thock, or what I consider clack anyways. I feel like krytox mutes switches too much for me personally or it sounds like you are squishing mud. Again this is just my personal opinion and I know it's not popular.
At least, next time, tap the keys the same time. Put some fast type and slow and steady to be able to hear the scratch... You only did that on stock ones...
Some people are saying that G-lube emphasizes the tactility of the Pandas, what do you think of that?
I'll need to do more blind tests on this and get back to you
Testing method: 3 GPandas lubed with G-Lube, 3 GPandas lubed with Krytox 205g0. Marked the pandas w/ 205g0 on the bottom so I knew which is which at the end. Randomly placed them on a hotswap board, put on headphones to play music since you can identify based on sound alone, then guessed which was G-Lube and which was Krytox.
Overall, I was able to guess which was Krytox..70% of the time or so. Difference is minimal, but Krytox was a bit smoother. Prob due to variance with hand lubing. I would say with G-lube, it will retain more of the tactile feeling at the cost of smoothness, perhaps similar to what 3204 does.
In terms of emphasizing the tactility of the Pandas vs stock...I don't think so. When I did blind test without headphones on, it kind of seemed that way, but once I did blind test with headphones on, I couldn't really tell if the tactile feeling was emphasized or not. I also tried lubing the stem legs.
@@jimmynguyen973 Oh thanks! So, G-Lube just gives the impression of emphasizing tactility, but it's not actually doing anithing. It's just not as smooth as a lube as 205g0
imo Krytox 205G0 or TriboSys 3203 are better in everyway . Krytox for smoothness and more of a thock and 3203 for tactility while still making the switch smoother. G lube is I think purely focused on being cost effective.
@@jimmynguyen973 This is good to know. We only have G-lube available here in Finland and i do not wish to order some from Germany.. Huge thanks
Always stunned by the amount of production quality from a channel with barely 800 subs, keep it up
Thank you!
2.62k now. Glad to see he's getting more recognition.
@@nathandenton23 yes
@@nathandenton23 4.9K now.
you’re killing it man! keep up the good work, i’ve had a lot of my questions answered from your videos! you just earned yourself another sub
Thank you, glad I was able to help!
"I don't know what to conclude from this". I love the honesty!
great video man it really answered a lot of the questions I had, plus the comment section helped a lot too :)
Thanks for watching!
As an enthusiast, I hear NO difference between the G-Lube and Krytox. I love how krytox feels, but it’s price is a deal breaker after hearing you can get $10 for 10 mL
great video! thank you so much!
Looking back on this because I'm going to look into the GMMK pro hot swap board with glorious pandas and was wondering about G-Lube or Krytox. Great video man!
how did it turn out?
Awesome stuff great job
great video;keep doing the good content
Thank you!
I agree with your thoughts on the G-Lube. Personally, I was very unimpressed with the G-Lube, especially the packaging when you compare it to the Panda's packaging.
My guess based on the paper wetting and fluid shape is that G-Lube is a mix of oil and grease (the oil being responsible for absorbing into the paper) and that it will perform closer to a Tribosys 3203 or 3204.
Great review. I just got a newer batch of G lube and want to see if there formula is still inferior to normal K205G0
Good review
G lube eliminates the spring pin sound, but krytox does not. 4:32-4:33, if you listen carefully, you also can hear the spring pin sound by hard pressing the key which is lubed by krytox. By the way, paper absorptivity does not mean any good or bad of lubricant, plastic is moisture and grease proof but papers does not. So when you feel rougher by rubbing on the g lube, it may caused by the paper absorbs more contents from the g lube who knows. But I just hope all enthusiasts could think independently and try your own test by using scientific way. I am a car enthusiast too, I can tell you lubricant is like engine oil, it is all about viscosity and temperature. For the key switches, we don’t have temperature consideration. Less momentum should use lower viscosity oil, which lubricant to use is depending on your spring force. For example, using high viscosity lube will make 45g switch sluggish. If I tell you blend about 1/5 part of dielectric grease into the low viscosity lube, and use it for springs can eliminate spring pin. It works, but this idea can be heartbreaker for whom have paid premium for the krytox.
Thanks for the amazing video! I was wondering how G-Lube felt and there I got a recommended video. BTW, there are 14mm and 16mm TX Springs. What made you go with 14mm? I'm a newb and decided to go with Glorious Panda switches. Did you find improvement with the new springs over the GP's stock?
Best regards!
Glad I could help! I wanted the most even comparison between the stock spring and the TX spring--14mm is a standard spring length. The 16mm springs are TX's "slow-curved" springs. Im currently working on a video explaining the different kind of springs, but essentially since the 16mm is longer, it's more compressed when it's in a switch, raising the initial force needed to push down on a switch. And yes, I did find some sound improvements with TX springs, but if you're not particular about a keyboard's acoustics then it won't matter much to you.
Another great video! Currently using my GHPs lubed with krytox 205g0 and can definitely say after lubing, it makes the switches even better. I didn't lubed the stems and leaf to preserve the tactility tho. Anyway, do you think GHPs need switch films, if yes what do you recommend?
Thanks! Personally I don't think any Holy Pandas need switch film, the housing is pretty tight, but switch film can also help with creating that t h o c c k y sound if you're after that.
I had a spare TX Film 0.15mm, and I was unable to close the switch all the way, so it did not fit into a board. If you were to get films, you're going to need thinner ones. It looks like TX sells 0.125mm made for Holy Pandas but I've never tried 'em.
Sometimes your accent comes and goes haha. I brought some Krytox 205g0 based on your recommendation.
In some videos you have ergo layout keyboards in the background. Is there any that you recommend or an upcoming one that you find intriguing?
The one I have in the background is a Rukia, one of the many keyboards that uses the Alice layout. I'm not a complete ergo layout expert, but I think the Sagittarius is an interesting upcoming ergo keyboard geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107023.0
should i buy g-lube for a local vendor or buy krytox from another country with shipping and taxes? is it worth it? and does it work good on stabs or should i use something like reel grease?
What new spring should you put in
Would you recommend 3204 or G-lube if I'm planning on using it for both linear and tactile switches?
Between those two, I would say G-Lube just cause you get so much more of it, and I find them pretty comparable. Glube sits somewhere between 3204 and 205g0 imo
How do you like the glorious pandas? How do they compare to other tactile switches? Also I heard the stem wobble is kinda bad, what’s your take on that? (Btw amazing video)
Overall I think the Glorious Pandas are a good choice for newcomers/early hobbyists who don't want to go through the trouble of creating their own Holy Panda switch, mainly due to price and convenience. For folks who have built high-end boards, these switches are probably not for them. The stem wobble isn't great, but stem wobble isn't something I'm bothered by that much. But if you use SA keycaps, they will be quite wobbly.
You can read this review for quick impressions on how these switches compare to other tactile switches
www.theremingoat.com/blog/glorious-panda-switch-review
Nice comparison! Is it ok to lube tactiles with Krytox 205G0 or is TriboSys 3203 just that much better?
All comes down to preference, 205g0 will make tactile switches smoother, but it may make the switch less tactile if you're not careful with lubing. 3203 is much more forgiving, will make your switches smoother while retaining the tactile feeling but not as smooth as 205g0.
Thanks! Not experienced with lubing yet. Would it be ok to use Krytox 105 as a substitute for TriboSys 3203?
@@raydominiqueterre7462 Those are not technically comparable since 105 is an oil and 3203 is a grease, but it is all preference in the end so the only way to know for sure is to try it out. Some people use 105 to lube switches, but most folks use 105 to lube springs, or to mix with 205g2 to create something similar to 205g0.
@@jimmynguyen973 I see. Thanks a lot for the input! And again, great video, very informative! Keep 'em comming!
Hello, I am interested in swapping springs. Do you have a link to the springs you used? And do they change the feel of the switch?
Also how do you feel about filming these switches? Have you tried filming the Glorious Pandas already?
This review was excellent btw!
Thanks! Here are the springs: www.us.txkeyboards.com/products/tx-springs
They don't change the feel of the switch if you buy the same weight (67g). I don't think these, or any Holy Panda variant, needs film. The housing is already tight. I did try filming the Glorious Pandas with the TX film I have, but they were not thin enough so the switch didn't close.
@@jimmynguyen973 Got it. Thank you so much man!
Thank you man I was just about to ask this myself, cause i heard that the stock springs caused some kind of ticking in the switch
can we do a taste test between the G-Lube and the Krytox 205g0
What do you think about the Novel key silk yellows? Should I get glorious pandas or NK silk yellows? I tend to game and type
haven't used the siks yet, but you can't compare the two since the silks are linear and these are tactile. which switch type do you like more? if you want a tactile switch, i recently discovered the boba u4t and i think those are much better than glorious pandas
Hey, I want to switch from my loud cherry mx blues to something quiet, do you think the writing experience on the pandas will be as good as on the blues? Are the switches clicky or more like cherry mx red?
Nothing will give you that clicky sounds unless you have a clicky switch like the blues. Look up Glorious Pandas typing tests on CZcams to get an idea of what they sound like. Don’t think they will be quieter than mx blues however. If you want a quiet tactile switch, look up Boba u4 switches. I have a typing test of those in my SP111 video czcams.com/video/q1k2DjRnZLI/video.html
@@jimmynguyen973 Thanks for your answer, I have a Hot-Swappable keyboard, so if I don't like them I can switch to the blues.
When i buy it is it already lubed?
So do I really need to lube the glorious pandas?
I might've missed it, but I don't think he did a sound test for the g-pandas with the g-lube
I didn't like them at first because of bottoming out at the pole, but interestingly it's corrected my typing style. I can somehow type faster on these than other switches because it forces your to type with discipline... if that's the correct way to put it. But you must, must lube them. Lube the back of the leaf with 205g0 and it will eliminate the ping.
Can you use g-lube for akko ocean blues
will it make the switch lose some of its tactile feel
sure you can, dont get lube on the stem legs or contact leaf to preserve tactility
In my country it is difficult to buy Krytox, its price including 5g $ 23.50 embio but I can easily get G-Lube 10g at € 15.30 including embio cost, I have a € 60 Kemove keyboard with Gateron optical red switches , my question is. G-Lube is good or bad? Will it give me a satisfactory result compared to the stock switches? A greeting from Spain.
Hello from the US! If Krytox is too hard to get ahold of, G-lube will improve the stock switch and give satisfactory results. Krytox won't make the switch twice as better vs G-Lube.
G-Lube is has more in common with Tribosys. I haven't figured it out what they are using yet, more than likely some sort of cheaper food grade dielectric grease, but I think it is a composition around 25-35% Krytox 00, 55-60% dielectric, and some medium viscous oil to thin down the overly thick dielectric. I didn't get to see the packages. I was loaned my 3ish grams to try. Can anyone tell me if the packaging says if it is flammable?
Because it bleeds so easy through paper, it means that it is less viscous. Probably spelling that wrong, but too tired to look up the spelling. 205-207 G00 is really thick, so it retains sound better. It would probably be okay to actually use 204G2 on linears. It wouldn't be closer to like 205g0 if that gives a rough explanation.
Okay, so I did look something up real quick, and interestingly I found someone saying they may be adding a little bit of unscented baby oil...
Edit: I really couldn't tell much difference between the two sound tests. Less crunch, but otherwise.
How did you wall mount your keyboards in the background?
3M velcro strips, rated for 12 lbs total.
It's the difference really noticeable between them and is the lube efficient? Here in my country it's probably the only available lube..
G lube will work fine. You can tell a difference if you do a side by side comparison, but overall glube will work
@@jimmynguyen973 thanks! it works and it feels good :D
Can you use the G-Lube for the stabilizer wires?
I haven't tried, but I would still suggest using dielectric grease on the wires because it's much thicker.
Is G-lube a bit buttery still on the gateron yellows??
Yup, won't be as smooth as 205g0, but it'll still make it the switch smoother.
Since the g-lube looks lighter you have to apply a bit more than krytox g205 I think.
How would you say the factory lube job is?
Bad
please don't look at me that intensifly 😱
what keycap se is that?
GMK Bento
What spring would you recommend?
if you want to stick with the same weight, any 67g spring by tx springs, sprit, or thicthock will be fine. I think slow springs / long springs works nicely on tactiles, so you can consider these for example: www.us.txkeyboards.com/products/tx-springs-16mm?variant=32481936900156
@@jimmynguyen973 Oh ok thank you very much!!
G lube it's like the mix of dielectric grease and silicon lube... So i think is good... but not good enough as krytox. But for the price, i couldn't complain
Changing the spring affected the tactility?
Changing the spring with a different weight may affect the tactility. The Panda comes with a 67g spring. If you get a heavier spring, it'll feel less tactile.
@@jimmynguyen973 have you tried the durock gold plated springs? Im still deciding if i buy the durock 67g or the tx 67g you used.
@@hugodinis2045 Ye, I have some switches that came with durock springs. Overall TX is generally regarded as the better spring but if its easier for you to get Durock then that's fine too.
i think the g-lube is just dielectric grease or a super lube,cause its simillar to the characteristic of a super lube that i have at home
It's not as thick as Permatex dielectric grease. I just found this post about the breakdown www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/jfbzqx/a_chemical_breakdown_of_glorious_lube_glube/
Would you say GHP’s are scratchier with G-Lube rather than Krytox? Krytox definitely sounded better and smoother
I would say so. It's not terrible by any means, def still an improvement from stock.
I dunno what glorious has done but my pre lubed pandas sound nothing like yours I can't hear the spring at all.
interesting
@@ee1yd I take it back. Every switch feels so different from each other its awful
don't mind me, just helping the algorithm
It's really strange that I can barely tell the difference in sound between stock and lubed. But I'm certain other videos I've watched I've been able to hear it. Am I going deaf LOL
i had the same thing! with these switches, it probably mostly helps with the smoothness.
any recommendations on what springs i should get
TX springs are pretty solid. Sprit springs are good as well. I like thicthock.com/ the best but the springs are harder to get ahold of.
@@jimmynguyen973 any idea on what weight i should choose when buying
@@zacharyliu8963 65g-67g if you want to stay at the same weight as the stock springs, which is a safe bet. could go higher, could go lower, thats all up to you. my minimum is 62g, 67g maximum.
@@jimmynguyen973 okay thank you:)
What keycaps are thoses?
GMK bento
@@jimmynguyen973 Thanks!
It sounds exactly the same with both to me
I really don't understand the craze over kyrtox personally. But then again I like clack and not thock, or what I consider clack anyways. I feel like krytox mutes switches too much for me personally or it sounds like you are squishing mud. Again this is just my personal opinion and I know it's not popular.
205g0 made my switches more viscous and heavy, I didn't like it at all, I prefer to lubricater silicone.
There are oil base lube like 105. 205g0 is not for all switches
@@k.c4931 i used 205g0 in linear switches
At least, next time, tap the keys the same time. Put some fast type and slow and steady to be able to hear the scratch... You only did that on stock ones...
Is your brother Andy Nguyen?
Sounds the same to me.
205g0 is so expensive making the g-lube the best value.
Meanwhile, durex left the chat
3:04 cumparison
😏😏😏
i payed 20 dollars for g lube
G-lube is scam