I'm a born again Christian. I went from voting for bernie to kneeling to the Lord and am so grateful that the Holy Spirit guides me now. Thank you for your open faith Andrew! People like you caused me to wake up and it literally saved my family.
I'm not a political conservative, but I agree that modern Western culture is too individualistic. But why do so-called conservatives condemn individuality in some ways and champion it in others? For example, I find it hard to understand why so many "traditional" Americans have a downright phobic attitude toward not only socialism, but also social democracy or anything that even slightly resembles it. Like Christianity, those belief systems call for quite a bit of individual sacrifice. I realize that the similarities between Christianity and leftism are seen as precisely the problem, that Christians fear leftism eventually filling Christianity's niche - but I don't think that is necessarily true. The feudal-era monarchism of the Middle Ages was a form of state control, and while it was officially "sanctioned by God," the rulers were really just invoking God to rule how they wanted to rule anyway. At least leftism is compatible with democracy.
@@SeasideDetective2, the problem I have, as a Conservative, with socialism is that it seems deceptively generous and charitable, when in reality it is violent and fueled by greed, playing on the natural resentment people feel toward their neighbors. The most natural and ancient thing in the world is one man coveting another man’s property, success, wife etc. Marxism/socialism/communism simply fuels the flame of that resentment in society in order to gain power and wealth for a ruthless few. True charity/generosity is free. The Christian Church is a perfect example of the amazing things people can do when they give willingly. If you believe in “socialism” try being more generous with what you have, instead of feeling like a generous person because you support the government being “generous”with the property of some other imaginary person.
@@princesskassandra4253 You make good points. I would also say that calls for "individual sacrifice" are not all equal. Christianity calls for us to sacrifice worldly things to store up treasures in heaven. It's manifested in positive acts like selflessly loving your neighbor. Socialism demands sacrifice because there isn't enough to go around. The Mayflower Pilgrims tried a form of socialism the first year or so in the New World and it almost destroyed the entire community. It wasn't until each family had its own land to grown and tend that they started to thrive.
@@princesskassandra4253 How can socialism be fueled by greed when it is coordinated not by those who voted it into power, but by professional politicians acting out of enlightened disinterest? I'm not denying that socialism is massively flawed, but calling it inherently greedy and evil is too much for me. One could just as easily say that democracy is evil because voters in democracies often harbor resentful attitudes. Anyway, a great many socialists have not been Marxists, and have even believed in working within the democratic system rather than overthrowing it. (Historically, even many conservatives have had socialist leanings, if only because they believed that providing for the poor was the best method of social control.) Then there are all the people who get called socialist/Marxist but are not, such as pretty much the entire U.S. Democratic party. I think it's dangerous to go around accusing people of being socialists willy-nilly. You might just convince a lot of them that they ARE socialists, or at least encourage them to identify and sympathize with socialists.
Carl Truman gives a master class on disagreeing with someone gently. He doesn’t accept the premise of Andrew’s leading question about homosexuality in the Church, but he doesn’t have to correct him either. Masterful, charitable and orthodox. What we, Christians, should all be aiming toward. I too love Spencer, but disagree with his belief about his private life (which Truman, once again, brilliantly points out is not private AT ALL) being irrelevant to his faith. So happy to see this exchange challenge Klavan’s thinking while attempting to maintain a warm and respectful relationship. This is the church working.
I love the story of Paul's conversion. It was 100% God's work. Therefore, I would reword your post and state "and being a Christian", rather than "wanting to become a Christian". Jesus made Paul his own on the road to Damascus (Phil 3:12). God's supernatural intervention in Paul's life made him a Christian on the spot. Bless you.
Having taken in enough of Carl's writing, lectures, and podcasts, I know he despises "celebrity pastor" culture. And yet I can't help but say he's my favorite Christian "celebrity," if that word is even close to applying to him. Thanks for having him on, Andrew!
I agree, I feel the same way about John MacArthur. He hates all that stuff but if it weren’t for his being somewhat famous I never would’ve found him on CZcams during the pandemic.
Great conversation, Andrew. I hope you have many more with Carl. He is very interesting-as are you of course. My sister gave me your book “The Truth and Beauty for my sixty-first birthday last year. I really loved it. So thank you for writing it. I have also read your Cameron Winter books and really enjoy them. I appreciate that you brought up Spencer. I really like Spencer and admire him. But this is an issue that Christians wrestle with. The Bible has a lot to say about sexuality. It’s important. But when we care for someone who is gay there is that tension. I have gay friends and customers and have thought a lot about what I would say to them about this if they asked me. One person did years ago. I think it’s more important to focus on sharing the good news with them as I want to do with everyone else. It seems off a bit that we focus more on sexual sins than others. But I don’t want to avoid the subject because it is important. I want to think through what God might want me to say to an individual person that might talk to me about that. But there is, as Carl said, that tension. Because we want to be loving and truthful as Christians. Not neglecting one or the other. But thank you for bringing up that private question. Carl did give a rather “British answer” but I still found it helpful and I will continue to think about this. The tension. I like that he pointed that out. Street preachers don’t have very much tension, but most of us as Christians do because we want to be loving and accepting with individual people we know and meet. But we also want to be truthful-that too is loving.
Andrew...beloved brother in our Lord and Saviour Yeshua Jesus...Christians who dance, sing, maybe even speak in Tongues, and oh yes....wave their hands about... are in their worship following the Christians from the Upper Room and living in the power and presence of Holy Spirit Ruach. Also, raising one's hands up denotes blessing the Lord. You like the Anglo Catholic worship and feel Holy Spirit Ruach present in your worship. I was raised Anglican in Canada but when l attended Catholic Charismatic and received the full infilling of the Holy Spirit Ruach, that was very comforting and joyful to me. I confess that as an 82 yr old grandma, it's more difficult to get my backside up in the air for dancing before the Lord. Just enjoy your Lord and Saviour. Sounding desparaged for waving one's hands in the air isn't very nice. It would serve you better perhaps to criticize religions or different sects that aren't following Biblical principles at all. Let's enjoy the Lord together!!!
The "live and let live", or "judge not, least ye be judged" part of Christ's model is a repetition of the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. What righteous man, knowing the fullness of his own guilt and certain judgement, would provoke God to execute justice upon his neighbour for THEIR transgressions, whilst expecting mercy for his own?
@@devoutlion1637 for sure. we've pathologized empathy and etiquette again; the same whitewashing of the same tombs that Jesus warned about two thousand years ago.
In response to Carl Trueman, Ivan Karamazov doesn't deny that there is beauty and love in the world. He just askes whether it's worth it, given the suffering of innocents. Would love to ear the lecture he just gave on this.
I remember asking dad to play catch after work one day and he would not. I asked him over and over again that summer. But he would not. A couple years later he shot himself. There are some people that are not living in the same reality
@@julieredmond5192 Hope is a good thing. And Jewish reflections of the Messiah are the most beautiful in all the world. If we are someone who thinks we have to 'earn our soul', we may have missed the point that our soul is a free gift from God. Treasure our soul with our whole heart and give it carefully back to God when we are done with it. I think a free exchange of information is something to strive for. But I think so much confusion mushrooms into chaos when no clear explanation is given. The Scriptures often record God being coy when He speaks. For example, when God asked Adam and Eve where they were, it's not like God did not know where they were. However, in the book of Habakkuk, the prophet says to God, “Your eyes are too pure to look on evil” Is this passage from Genesis where God cannot see Adam and Eve an example of God's eyes being too pure to see them? I am trying to understand this from a distinctly Hebrew Perspective. But admittedly my understanding may be imperfect. I suspect this passage in Genesis may be from God the Father's Perspective. According to John 5:22-23, "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know! I suspect something much deeper is going on now in history. Strength, according to Tolkien, manifests itself most clearly not in the exercise of power but rather in the willingness to give it up. When you are moved by the Spirit you manifest love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. These are the weapons we use in battle. Against such things there is no law.
The Bible is God's word and the words of Jesus. We are told that we cannot knowingly live in sin and be a follower of Jesus. Homosexuality is deemed to be sin, as is adultery, sex outside of marriage, drunkenness, telling lies, stealing, etc. If I'm living with my boyfriend and I read my Bible, I am knowingly living in sin. How can I expect God's forgiveness and mercy when I refuse to turn away from my sin? When Jesus spoke up for the woman taken in adultery, He said let he who has no sin cast the first stone. Everyone walked away. Jesus told her that He didn't accuse her either. Now go and sin no more, not go and do what you like.
This all true. You do recognize though that Klavan and his guest were talking about how to love those caught in sin, not whether or not it is sinful or whether or not they need to repent.
Jesus Christ shed His blood and died for all our *SINS* on the cross, was buried and rose again the third day for our justification. (Rom. 1:16, 3:10, 3:20-26, 4:5, 4:24-25, 6:22; Eph. 1:7, 2:8-9, 1:12-14; 2 Cor. 5:21) KJV “..Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house..” (Acts 16:30-31) ❤🙏
04:20 "the giving of kindness, the giving of hospitality" - but what if those to whom we offer these things have nefarious intentions? What if there's a huge number of them?
Klavan, you have to be aware of the innate contradiction of the phrase “acting morally in that construct,” when referencing a homosexual relationship. “Go and sin no more,” was Christ’s command for the sexually deviant, and I get the human want to accept and affirm people we love, but we can love them and still not outwardly permit a lifestyle accepting of some sin as untouchable.
The "go and sin no more" attitude makes it impossible for anyone NOT to sin. I've always detested the double standard whereby even the most chaste homosexual relationships are considered sinful, while apparently even some of the most perverse heterosexual activity is acceptable. That attitude is not only hypocritical, but self-defeating. By traditional Christian standards, we're all sinning repeatedly. For centuries, the Church insisted that only missionary-position sex was inoffensive to God, and enjoying the pleasure of even that was sinful. So, if you are looking at a physically beautiful person and harboring anything but the most "pure" and "enlightened" thoughts, you're sinning. Perhaps the reason so many people have rejected Christianity is because they couldn't bear all the internalized guilt and sanctimoniousness it bred. I believe that if we want the modern world to return to Christianity en masse, we need to deemphasize sexual issues as much as possible.
@@SeasideDetective2 There is a widely acknowledged difference between sinning because of your human failings to live up up to the standard we’re called to and actively living in said sin. It is different, for example, to be drawn to lust and having failings while attempting to grow closer and closer to God as opposed to living unapologetically in lust or adultery. It is one thing to acknowledge and support one another as we battle against our sinful natures. It is another, far unhealthier thing to surrender to them and give them reign of our culture. Surrender to sin may be good politically, but that’s not what we’re called to.
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh I'm not sure what you mean about surrendering to sin being "good politically," but how is being privately sinful giving sin "reign of our culture?" It's wrong, but the public never has to know. Sex should never be a political issue. And let's suppose we did everything God demanded of us. We engaged only in missionary-style sex, and did so only for the sake of procreation, and willed ourselves to remain emotionally neutral during the sexual act. We'd still climax, and it's pretty much physically impossible to avoid deriving pleasure from an orgasm. God obviously designed our bodies so that we would enjoy sex. "Impure thoughts" are inevitable.
“Feels that this is his best way forward.” Did Christ say “Follow your feelings “? If you are happy in what you’re doing, does that make it right? How can you act morally within a construct that is by all biblical accounts immoral? I love you Andrew and I’m sure your son is a good man. I certainly don’t enjoy being critical of you. But I guarantee that you don’t apply this level of grace to others who have embraced different sins. It’s hard to watch someone of your intellect and integrity twist yourself into a pretzel trying to justify a lifestyle that is unjustifiable. Just be honest. It’s a sin. And it’s a sin that your son doesn’t want to abandon. I would have so much more respect for him and you if you could just say “ I know this is wrong, but I’m not strong enough to do that which is right. Someday I pray that I can.” I wish you and your son nothing but God’s healing love.
We reject God in one of two ways (or both together). 1. We deny His existence (atheism). 2. We deny by Him our behavior (immorality and being indifferent to others). The opposite of love is actually not always hate, but indifference.
Been a christian for 20 years and the last 3 years I began reading bible more carefully to strengthen my faith in Jesus, but as i was reading the old testament to my surprise I started seeing serious contradictions between old testament and new testament. And soon I realized that the authors of new testament were trying to make a joke out of christians, the way the new testament twists the teachings of old testament in a very clever way. I started to realize that the new testament is demonically inspired book. There is nothing holy about it, it's a book of testing Israel's faith. Jesus was a tester, as Moses warned that sometimes God will send false teachers that will even show signs and wonders and tell them to follow other gods, to see if Israel is faithful to Him. That's why Jesus said if you don't believe in him at least believe in his works, so that you know that God is in him and he's inside the Father. That's exactly what Moses warned about, if someone does miracles don't immediately jump to conclusions, see what he's saying and Jesus was saying after you believe in him than you must accept that he is god, and jews didn't know a god named Jesus(so he was a foreign god). Jesus died because of his own sins, he claimed to be equal to God and received a punishment.I searched the old testament for this imaginary messiah figure and couldn't find any. Only God saves, and in the last days it says that king David will be resurrected to rule over Israel. There is no Jesus there and no mysterious messiah...
Is it okay to believe something that is not true because it brings comfort and solace? I hope all will say No. But for most of our historical lives we believed that the sun went around the earth. Even Shakespeare was unable to give up this long held belief. Now we are beginning to understand that the idea of an all consuming deity came out of the Cataclysms of our historical past and the worship of the planetary spheres. For example: Honor Saturn’s day and keep it holy. Immanuel Velikovsky in his Mankind In Amnesia shows us our propensity for self-annihilation and fear of the terrible catastrophic nature of our physical world. We want to believe in nature’s uniformity and development into higher and higher forms of life; evolution. Velikovsky shows from historical documents recorded all around the world that Venus was at one time a comet and was the beginning of planetary worship. We are all on this ship of fools together and no one is getting out alive. This should lead us to compassion for all our fellow human beings and the realization that no one is coming to save us: not God, not Jesus, not Allah, not YHWH. What is needed if we are to overcome our amnesia is psychotherapy and to teach out children about the real world. If we refuse to wake up, no harm no foul, but those who are awake must always insist that we ought never to sanction believing a lie. The truth will set you free. Choose consciousness over death.
Brilliant? I dunno about that. A very pleasant man, certainly. And I truly do love the Brits for being so cheerful and diplomatic. But I can't remember the last time I heard over thirty solid minutes of pure, dithering equivocation and nothing else. From BOTH of you. Look: The "problem" of reconciling, on the one hand, a recognition of the divine nature of reality with, on the other, the obvious mistakes in so-called "holy" scripture is not really a problem at all. Every time you figure out that your "holy" scripture is mistaken about something, what you do then is simply ignore the mistaken part of the doctrine. Admitting your doctrine is wrong in certain parts will not kill you. It will actually save you. Common sense is not wickedness. And consent really is the true and natural basis of ethics. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that and living your life accordingly. And this is true whether your "holy" scripture is telling you to hate gay people, or to hate BDSM people, or to hate feminism, or to hate contraception, or to hate liquor, or to hate cards and horse races, or to hate erotic entertainment, or to support slavery, or to support pedophilia, or to support obviously fictitious ideas like the resurrection, the gift of prophecy, the magic garden with the magic apple, the magic boat with all the animals on board, or the magic carpenter who could multiply loaves of bread and walk across a lake without getting his sandals wet, and come back to life after being executed, and move large stones out of his way like a cartoon super-hero in a cape and a leotard and bright red underpants.
I'm a born again Christian. I went from voting for bernie to kneeling to the Lord and am so grateful that the Holy Spirit guides me now. Thank you for your open faith Andrew! People like you caused me to wake up and it literally saved my family.
I'm not a political conservative, but I agree that modern Western culture is too individualistic. But why do so-called conservatives condemn individuality in some ways and champion it in others? For example, I find it hard to understand why so many "traditional" Americans have a downright phobic attitude toward not only socialism, but also social democracy or anything that even slightly resembles it. Like Christianity, those belief systems call for quite a bit of individual sacrifice. I realize that the similarities between Christianity and leftism are seen as precisely the problem, that Christians fear leftism eventually filling Christianity's niche - but I don't think that is necessarily true. The feudal-era monarchism of the Middle Ages was a form of state control, and while it was officially "sanctioned by God," the rulers were really just invoking God to rule how they wanted to rule anyway. At least leftism is compatible with democracy.
What a wonderful testimony! Thank you for sharing it. May God bless you mightily!!
@@SeasideDetective2, the problem I have, as a Conservative, with socialism is that it seems deceptively generous and charitable, when in reality it is violent and fueled by greed, playing on the natural resentment people feel toward their neighbors. The most natural and ancient thing in the world is one man coveting another man’s property, success, wife etc. Marxism/socialism/communism simply fuels the flame of that resentment in society in order to gain power and wealth for a ruthless few.
True charity/generosity is free. The Christian Church is a perfect example of the amazing things people can do when they give willingly.
If you believe in “socialism” try being more generous with what you have, instead of feeling like a generous person because you support the government being “generous”with the property of some other imaginary person.
@@princesskassandra4253 You make good points. I would also say that calls for "individual sacrifice" are not all equal. Christianity calls for us to sacrifice worldly things to store up treasures in heaven. It's manifested in positive acts like selflessly loving your neighbor. Socialism demands sacrifice because there isn't enough to go around. The Mayflower Pilgrims tried a form of socialism the first year or so in the New World and it almost destroyed the entire community. It wasn't until each family had its own land to grown and tend that they started to thrive.
@@princesskassandra4253 How can socialism be fueled by greed when it is coordinated not by those who voted it into power, but by professional politicians acting out of enlightened disinterest? I'm not denying that socialism is massively flawed, but calling it inherently greedy and evil is too much for me. One could just as easily say that democracy is evil because voters in democracies often harbor resentful attitudes.
Anyway, a great many socialists have not been Marxists, and have even believed in working within the democratic system rather than overthrowing it. (Historically, even many conservatives have had socialist leanings, if only because they believed that providing for the poor was the best method of social control.) Then there are all the people who get called socialist/Marxist but are not, such as pretty much the entire U.S. Democratic party. I think it's dangerous to go around accusing people of being socialists willy-nilly. You might just convince a lot of them that they ARE socialists, or at least encourage them to identify and sympathize with socialists.
Carl Truman gives a master class on disagreeing with someone gently. He doesn’t accept the premise of Andrew’s leading question about homosexuality in the Church, but he doesn’t have to correct him either. Masterful, charitable and orthodox. What we, Christians, should all be aiming toward.
I too love Spencer, but disagree with his belief about his private life (which Truman, once again, brilliantly points out is not private AT ALL) being irrelevant to his faith. So happy to see this exchange challenge Klavan’s thinking while attempting to maintain a warm and respectful relationship. This is the church working.
Beautifully said.
The Damascus moment is the key to understanding how one can go from hating Christians ... to wanting to become a Christian
I love the story of Paul's conversion. It was 100% God's work. Therefore, I would reword your post and state "and being a Christian", rather than "wanting to become a Christian". Jesus made Paul his own on the road to Damascus (Phil 3:12). God's supernatural intervention in Paul's life made him a Christian on the spot. Bless you.
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Yeah. As you deny Paul saying such things in Ephesians 2 v10 and Titus 1 v16
Don't people often hate others precisely because they want to become like them in the first place?
Having taken in enough of Carl's writing, lectures, and podcasts, I know he despises "celebrity pastor" culture. And yet I can't help but say he's my favorite Christian "celebrity," if that word is even close to applying to him. Thanks for having him on, Andrew!
I agree, I feel the same way about John MacArthur. He hates all that stuff but if it weren’t for his being somewhat famous I never would’ve found him on CZcams during the pandemic.
Great conversation, Andrew. I hope you have many more with Carl. He is very interesting-as are you of course.
My sister gave me your book “The Truth and Beauty for my sixty-first birthday last year. I really loved it. So thank you for writing it.
I have also read your Cameron Winter books and really enjoy them.
I appreciate that you brought up Spencer. I really like Spencer and admire him. But this is an issue that Christians wrestle with. The Bible has a lot to say about sexuality. It’s important. But when we care for someone who is gay there is that tension. I have gay friends and customers and have thought a lot about what I would say to them about this if they asked me. One person did years ago.
I think it’s more important to focus on sharing the good news with them as I want to do with everyone else. It seems off a bit that we focus more on sexual sins than others. But I don’t want to avoid the subject because it is important. I want to think through what God might want me to say to an individual person that might talk to me about that. But there is, as Carl said, that tension. Because we want to be loving and truthful as Christians. Not neglecting one or the other.
But thank you for bringing up that private question. Carl did give a rather “British answer” but I still found it helpful and I will continue to think about this. The tension. I like that he pointed that out. Street preachers don’t have very much tension, but most of us as Christians do because we want to be loving and accepting with individual people we know and meet. But we also want to be truthful-that too is loving.
I pray for Spencer, Have you read or heard of Jackie Hill Perry, Or Roseria Butterfield,
I'm currently reading Crisis of Confidence and am very much enjoying it.
Thank you, Andrew! You've given us much to think about/ ponder until Friday.
We have to ask ourselves what does God want for us or how he wants us to live
Andrew...beloved brother in our Lord and Saviour Yeshua Jesus...Christians who dance, sing, maybe even speak in Tongues, and oh yes....wave their hands about... are in their worship following the Christians from the Upper Room and living in the power and presence of Holy Spirit Ruach. Also, raising one's hands up denotes blessing the Lord. You like the Anglo Catholic worship and feel Holy Spirit Ruach present in your worship. I was raised Anglican in Canada but when l attended Catholic Charismatic and received the full infilling of the Holy Spirit Ruach, that was very comforting and joyful to me. I confess that as an 82 yr old grandma, it's more difficult to get my backside up in the air for dancing before the Lord. Just enjoy your Lord and Saviour. Sounding desparaged for waving one's hands in the air isn't very nice. It would serve you better perhaps to criticize religions or different sects that aren't following Biblical principles at all. Let's enjoy the Lord together!!!
Great guest! Where are my Presbyterian brothers at?
This was a great discussion, Carl Trueman is great at explaining his point of view.
Here!
Reformed Baptist, but hopefully that'll be close enough for you. Big Trueman fanboy.
The "live and let live", or "judge not, least ye be judged" part of Christ's model is a repetition of the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself. What righteous man, knowing the fullness of his own guilt and certain judgement, would provoke God to execute justice upon his neighbour for THEIR transgressions, whilst expecting mercy for his own?
I agree but it's spun to not condemning sin and even aggressive evil
@@devoutlion1637 for sure. we've pathologized empathy and etiquette again; the same whitewashing of the same tombs that Jesus warned about two thousand years ago.
@@flamebroiledsquirrel ahhh.. true 👍
Dear Andrew, I just watched Spencer (no relation) on Dave Rubin's podcast. And, yes, he is an intelligent young man but, that voice! Does he sing?
In response to Carl Trueman, Ivan Karamazov doesn't deny that there is beauty and love in the world. He just askes whether it's worth it, given the suffering of innocents. Would love to ear the lecture he just gave on this.
We need to die to sin no matter what thecsin is. That is the loving, none destructive message
Mary Harrington and then Carl Trueman. Great guests.
CHRIST is KING!
Yes, He is, and He was also Jewish.
Understanding individualism in churches is crucial to understanding why the church is failing.
I remember asking dad to play catch after work one day and he would not. I asked him over and over again that summer. But he would not. A couple years later he shot himself. There are some people that are not living in the same reality
I’m really sorry for this horrible loss in your life. It must have hurt so bad. Blessings on you.
@@julieredmond5192 Hope is a good thing. And Jewish reflections of the Messiah are the most beautiful in all the world.
If we are someone who thinks we have to 'earn our soul', we may have missed the point that our soul is a free gift from God. Treasure our soul with our whole heart and give it carefully back to God when we are done with it.
I think a free exchange of information is something to strive for. But I think so much confusion mushrooms into chaos when no clear explanation is given. The Scriptures often record God being coy when He speaks. For example, when God asked Adam and Eve where they were, it's not like God did not know where they were.
However, in the book of Habakkuk, the prophet says to God, “Your eyes are too pure to look on evil” Is this passage from Genesis where God cannot see Adam and Eve an example of God's eyes being too pure to see them? I am trying to understand this from a distinctly Hebrew Perspective. But admittedly my understanding may be imperfect. I suspect this passage in Genesis may be from God the Father's Perspective.
According to John 5:22-23, "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him."
Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!
I suspect something much deeper is going on now in history. Strength, according to Tolkien, manifests itself most clearly not in the exercise of power but rather in the willingness to give it up. When you are moved by the Spirit you manifest love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. These are the weapons we use in battle. Against such things there is no law.
Great interview. May God draw many to saving-faith in Christ and awaken them to the true chief end of man: to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.
The Bible is God's word and the words of Jesus. We are told that we cannot knowingly live in sin and be a follower of Jesus. Homosexuality is deemed to be sin, as is adultery, sex outside of marriage, drunkenness, telling lies, stealing, etc. If I'm living with my boyfriend and I read my Bible, I am knowingly living in sin. How can I expect God's forgiveness and mercy when I refuse to turn away from my sin? When Jesus spoke up for the woman taken in adultery, He said let he who has no sin cast the first stone. Everyone walked away. Jesus told her that He didn't accuse her either. Now go and sin no more, not go and do what you like.
This all true. You do recognize though that Klavan and his guest were talking about how to love those caught in sin, not whether or not it is sinful or whether or not they need to repent.
@@user-ze9nz9mf1s he said the opposite
@@user-ze9nz9mf1s All can do is talk about this video. I don't know what has been said in the past
Jesus Christ shed His blood and died for all our *SINS* on the cross, was buried and rose again the third day for our justification.
(Rom. 1:16, 3:10, 3:20-26, 4:5, 4:24-25, 6:22; Eph. 1:7, 2:8-9, 1:12-14; 2 Cor. 5:21) KJV
“..Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thy house..” (Acts 16:30-31) ❤🙏
04:20 "the giving of kindness, the giving of hospitality" - but what if those to whom we offer these things have nefarious intentions? What if there's a huge number of them?
Klavan, you have to be aware of the innate contradiction of the phrase “acting morally in that construct,” when referencing a homosexual relationship.
“Go and sin no more,” was Christ’s command for the sexually deviant, and I get the human want to accept and affirm people we love, but we can love them and still not outwardly permit a lifestyle accepting of some sin as untouchable.
The "go and sin no more" attitude makes it impossible for anyone NOT to sin. I've always detested the double standard whereby even the most chaste homosexual relationships are considered sinful, while apparently even some of the most perverse heterosexual activity is acceptable. That attitude is not only hypocritical, but self-defeating. By traditional Christian standards, we're all sinning repeatedly. For centuries, the Church insisted that only missionary-position sex was inoffensive to God, and enjoying the pleasure of even that was sinful. So, if you are looking at a physically beautiful person and harboring anything but the most "pure" and "enlightened" thoughts, you're sinning. Perhaps the reason so many people have rejected Christianity is because they couldn't bear all the internalized guilt and sanctimoniousness it bred. I believe that if we want the modern world to return to Christianity en masse, we need to deemphasize sexual issues as much as possible.
@@SeasideDetective2 There is a widely acknowledged difference between sinning because of your human failings to live up up to the standard we’re called to and actively living in said sin.
It is different, for example, to be drawn to lust and having failings while attempting to grow closer and closer to God as opposed to living unapologetically in lust or adultery.
It is one thing to acknowledge and support one another as we battle against our sinful natures. It is another, far unhealthier thing to surrender to them and give them reign of our culture. Surrender to sin may be good politically, but that’s not what we’re called to.
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh I'm not sure what you mean about surrendering to sin being "good politically," but how is being privately sinful giving sin "reign of our culture?" It's wrong, but the public never has to know. Sex should never be a political issue.
And let's suppose we did everything God demanded of us. We engaged only in missionary-style sex, and did so only for the sake of procreation, and willed ourselves to remain emotionally neutral during the sexual act. We'd still climax, and it's pretty much physically impossible to avoid deriving pleasure from an orgasm. God obviously designed our bodies so that we would enjoy sex. "Impure thoughts" are inevitable.
“Feels that this is his best way forward.” Did Christ say “Follow your feelings “? If you are happy in what you’re doing, does that make it right? How can you act morally within a construct that is by all biblical accounts immoral?
I love you Andrew and I’m sure your son is a good man. I certainly don’t enjoy being critical of you. But I guarantee that you don’t apply this level of grace to others who have embraced different sins.
It’s hard to watch someone of your intellect and integrity twist yourself into a pretzel trying to justify a lifestyle that is unjustifiable. Just be honest. It’s a sin. And it’s a sin that your son doesn’t want to abandon. I would have so much more respect for him and you if you could just say “ I know this is wrong, but I’m not strong enough to do that which is right. Someday I pray that I can.” I wish you and your son nothing but God’s healing love.
Christ is King!!!!!
Grace restores nature!
Nice
I do not think it is a hyper scientific age. I think it is a hyper superstitious age, we just use sciency words to express our superstition.
Atheism is dead ....but, rejecting Christ, is very much alive...
Like a jew who thinks saying Christ is King is antisemitism?
@@iowabassman4701 A thinking error?
@iowabassman4701 no like Iowans who think they know Christ while directly disobeying his command to love thy neighbor
@@JW_______ I totally concur ...
We reject God in one of two ways (or both together). 1. We deny His existence (atheism). 2. We deny by Him our behavior (immorality and being indifferent to others). The opposite of love is actually not always hate, but indifference.
If only Andrew would accept Jesus as his Savior. Money wont save us from eternal hell
Christ is king ❤
Been a christian for 20 years and the last 3 years I began reading bible more carefully to strengthen my faith in Jesus, but as i was reading the old testament to my surprise I started seeing serious contradictions between old testament and new testament. And soon I realized that the authors of new testament were trying to make a joke out of christians, the way the new testament twists the teachings of old testament in a very clever way. I started to realize that the new testament is demonically inspired book. There is nothing holy about it, it's a book of testing Israel's faith. Jesus was a tester, as Moses warned that sometimes God will send false teachers that will even show signs and wonders and tell them to follow other gods, to see if Israel is faithful to Him. That's why Jesus said if you don't believe in him at least believe in his works, so that you know that God is in him and he's inside the Father. That's exactly what Moses warned about, if someone does miracles don't immediately jump to conclusions, see what he's saying and Jesus was saying after you believe in him than you must accept that he is god, and jews didn't know a god named Jesus(so he was a foreign god). Jesus died because of his own sins, he claimed to be equal to God and received a punishment.I searched the old testament for this imaginary messiah figure and couldn't find any. Only God saves, and in the last days it says that king David will be resurrected to rule over Israel. There is no Jesus there and no mysterious messiah...
Is it okay to believe something that is not true because it brings comfort and solace?
I hope all will say No. But for most of our historical lives we believed that the sun went around the earth. Even Shakespeare was unable to give up this long held belief. Now we are beginning to understand that the idea of an all consuming deity came out of the Cataclysms of our historical past and the worship of the planetary spheres. For example: Honor Saturn’s day and keep it holy.
Immanuel Velikovsky in his Mankind In Amnesia shows us our propensity for self-annihilation and fear of the terrible catastrophic nature of our physical world. We want to believe in nature’s uniformity and development into higher and higher forms of life; evolution. Velikovsky shows from historical documents recorded all around the world that Venus was at one time a comet and was the beginning of planetary worship.
We are all on this ship of fools together and no one is getting out alive. This should lead us to compassion for all our fellow human beings and the realization that no one is coming to save us: not God, not Jesus, not Allah, not YHWH. What is needed if we are to overcome our amnesia is psychotherapy and to teach out children about the real world. If we refuse to wake up, no harm no foul, but those who are awake must always insist that we ought never to sanction believing a lie. The truth will set you free. Choose consciousness over death.
Make sure not to say who your King is Andrew!
Not gonna happen lol
Brilliant? I dunno about that. A very pleasant man, certainly. And I truly do love the Brits for being so cheerful and diplomatic. But I can't remember the last time I heard over thirty solid minutes of pure, dithering equivocation and nothing else. From BOTH of you.
Look: The "problem" of reconciling, on the one hand, a recognition of the divine nature of reality with, on the other, the obvious mistakes in so-called "holy" scripture is not really a problem at all. Every time you figure out that your "holy" scripture is mistaken about something, what you do then is simply ignore the mistaken part of the doctrine. Admitting your doctrine is wrong in certain parts will not kill you. It will actually save you. Common sense is not wickedness. And consent really is the true and natural basis of ethics. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that and living your life accordingly.
And this is true whether your "holy" scripture is telling you to hate gay people, or to hate BDSM people, or to hate feminism, or to hate contraception, or to hate liquor, or to hate cards and horse races, or to hate erotic entertainment, or to support slavery, or to support pedophilia, or to support obviously fictitious ideas like the resurrection, the gift of prophecy, the magic garden with the magic apple, the magic boat with all the animals on board, or the magic carpenter who could multiply loaves of bread and walk across a lake without getting his sandals wet, and come back to life after being executed, and move large stones out of his way like a cartoon super-hero in a cape and a leotard and bright red underpants.
Never forget Ben voted for Hillary Clinton
No he didn’t lol
Roman Catholic is the only authority for our faith.
Yes, you guys have a monopoly on truth… except when the pope is wrong.
Why don't your son write a book about his gayness ?